Before the iraqis. Al abadi has lots of questions to answer. New video that we received on oil repineries. There will be more. The blood line for isis. A smallscale refineries provide up to 2 million a day from black market oil. We didnt completely obliterate them off the map. These strikes are big deal. Theyre not going to be pumping out refined oil any time soon. We are following a very busy news day. In this hour well bring you president obamas official announcement of attorney general eric holders retirement, part of a very full day for this president who returned to washington from the unjust a short time ago where he sought agreement from World Leaders about the threat posed by isis and other extremists. So far, building a Broad Alliance particularly in the middle east has proved complicated. Earlier today president obama met with egypts president al sissi while Vice President biden met in the last hour. Both countries have pledged some measure of support in the fight against isis. The two turk turns publicly slamming each other at the u. N. General assembly. Not exactly the stuff that coalition dreams are made of of. And then there is iran. President ho had no shortage of blame. Extremism is a global issue. Certain say thes have helped in creating it. Certain intelligence agencies have put blades in the hands of madmen. As for those blades in the hands of madmen, fbi director james comey said today that he believed that he believes the masked men in earlier isis execution videos has been identified. Comey added that the agency is hard at work trying to identify two people in isis videos who have american or cane adian accents. As on claims to iraqs pms that he has evidence of an isis plot to attack u. S. Or french subway systems, the fbi joined Administration Officials in saying they have no evidence to support that. Joining me now is nbc news Foreign Correspondent eamon mohyeldin and commissioner kelly. Let me start first with you, the news of the hour. How vulnerable are the new york city subways . Well, there is some vulnerability. No question about it it. There are 468 stations in the system. Theres almost several thousand miles of rack. Weve had two plots against the system that we know of. There are vulnerabilities and the Intelligence Division and community is scratching their heads over this warning by the Prime Minister. No indication that certainly fbi knew about it or nypd knew about it it so theyre drilling down now on trying to get substantive information. Setting aside that threat or the lack thereof, depending on where we net out on it, is it even possible to secure our National Subway systems, whether the one in lchl a. , one in boston or one in new york. They move a lot of people through them and i just wonder from a security perspective, is it even possible to make sure that no baddel ems . No question about it it. Its a real challenge. 5 Million People a day use the new york city subway system. Thats about half the number of people in the entire country that travel on mass transit. There are things that are done in this system that arent done in other places. There is actually a physical bag check thats moved from location to location, but again with 5 Million People traveling through the system its very, very difficult to totally secure it. Eamon, the bizarre sort of chain of events here at the u. N. , why is haider al abadi, from your sources, if this isnt actually a threat, why say this to the United Nations, to the world . I think ive been speaking to both arab officials and some in d. C. Who have been telling me it was an extremely bizarre statement that they werent sure why it was made to reporters. If there, in fact, was a credible threat it would have been communicated through official channels to whoever might have uncovered this information to french and u. S. Officials in that capacity, but it seems it was made in comments to reporters and some are speculating he wanted to show the relevance of iraqis. He wants to show the relevance of iraqis to this fight that the u. S. Is now engaged in against isis and some are saying that he wants to actually turn the tide. Iraq has been coming under tremendous amount of criticism after its forces lost a lot of ground to isis in the last couple of months and so here he is trying to say, that well, our Intelligence Services are still active and robust. Do you think the targeting of khoras khorasan, the notion that khorasan was planning imminent attacks against the u. S. Certainly ramped up our targeting of them. Do you think this was his way of getting us to sort of redirect or reallocate resources towards isis . Which we, of course, have been bombing for the last month. I dont think that the u. S. Is making a distinction in terms of the threat coming out of isis or the khorasan group. They are both lethal enemies and im sure the u. S. Is taking both of them extremely seriously. I dont think from the perspective of the Prime Minister who has this isis problem literally at his doorstep in his country that that distinction was taking away resources and quite the opposite. The u. S. Is more committed. You have them bombing for the first time. Its a statement that caught everyone by surprise including iraqi officials. Which is not a good thing if youre the new Prime Minister newly installed. We are hearing from james comey that u. S. Intelligence may have identified the executioner of james foley and stephen sotloff. How difficult is it to pinpoint westerners who may have gone abroad, gotten radicalized and come back to the west . Very difficult. People have itineraries with the the multiple steps in it and multiple visits with different locations. The turkeysyrian border is open. Thats how most people are getting into syria. So it is very difficult to do that and then theyll come back into a secure route in these countries and some of the numbers are surprising and for instance, denmark said they have 400 people that went to syria. They have a population of 5 Million People. Right. That is a very High Percentage and theyre saying 80 countries now. So it is a unique challenge to determine who went and who is here. In some ways, that would seem to be that would seem on pose a greater threat to the homeland than anything happening inside syria or iraq and the export of radical extremist ideology to the sort of american brain trust, if you will. The assumption is that theyre learning some trade craft and be able to come back and do something in their home country, so youre right. Arrests have been made in france. I think arrests have been made in the uk. Obviously the people who have visited, but there are still many, many people who we just dont know of. Its very difficult to monitor people because it takes resources to do it. So if you have hundred of people in your country, difficult to determine and monitor what theyre all doing. Let me ask you because when i hear this i sort of, you know, i on some level disbelieve the intelligence sources can see a video of a masked man with an american accent and track this person down. You know this better than anybody else on the planet. How does that process happen some obviously there are some part of that that you cant share with us, but in terms of finding a needle in a hay stack, that would be easier than this. They would have some sense of who is going what countries. They have, for instance, it looks like the person who did the beheading of the americans was left hand, for instance. He was tall. British accent and a british accent that you can localize in certain neighborhoods and that sort of thing. You have a lot of skilled an lives that can do that sort of work on both sides of the ocean. Its not easy. But it can be done. Aymon, we know that they are threatening to kill two hostages and they are holding iraqis, syrians and lebanese who have largely been dpor gotten in all of this. There was a lebanese soldierec cuted before the french hostage when i was in beirut a few days ago and it raises an important point to the Commissioners Point that well is a difference between active supporters and sympathizers. You are getting to a stage behind the killing of the french hostage and may not necessarily be operation alley linked to them and if you start adopting their methodology in places like algeria and in places that are with popular tourist deft nations and beirut, and cairo where you can grab tourists and others and once you start doing that you will be entering a very dangerous chapter with isis and what its now doing across the region. It is a time of turmoil to put it mildly. Aymon mohyeldin, and ray kelly, thank you for your thoughts. We are awaiting president obama on the retirement of eric holder. We will discuss that with you live with holders top picks. Terrifying details from ground zero of the ebola epidemic. I will speak with Ray Christoph and daniel gold who has just returned from liberia. All of that is next on now. 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Twice the 62yearold man was turned away because there was no bed for him. Soon after he died at his home in front of his children. His story is just one of thousands as new reports emerge detailing a massive shortage of beds, doctors and Treatment Centers. The shortfall has turned a terrifying and deadly disease into something that may decimate an entire population. As a body collector picked up one victim of the deadly disease he told the new york times, we came here for the husband last week. We are back today for the wife and maybe next week well be back for the children. The centers for Disease Control now estimate that liberia and sierra leone could face 1. 4 million earning bowla infections by january if the outbreak is left unchecked and that is 10 of the populations of both countries combined. This morning at the United Nations president obama attended a highlevel meeting on the outbreak. The courageous men and women fighting on the front lines of this disease have told us what they need. They need more beds. They need more supplies. They mead more Health Workers and they need all of this as fast as possible. Right now patients are being left on die in the streets because theres nowhere to put them. And theres nobody to help them. In the coming months the u. S. Military will spend 500 million on new Treatment Centers throughout liberia and seek to train 500 Health Workers a week in an effort to combat the vicious disease and it it isnt just victims of the deadly disease who are feeling its effects. The countrys entire Public Health system is on the verge of breakdown. As daniel gold writes, people are dying of treatable diseases because they cant get to hospitals and pregnant women are giving birth in the street. Everything is collapsing. Joining me now by skype from new york city is vice news producer daniel gold. Daniel, thanks for joining me. You are in brooklyn, and i am in manhattan and the reason you are not joining me here on set is because you apparently have been quarantined. Can you tell us just what is happening in liberia and what you have seen some. I mean, theres no official quarantine. Youre actually not contagious and showing symptoms and i am not showing symptoms. Im monitoring my temperature and im on the phone with Infectious Disease guys. Im fine, its just better safe than sorry. The misconception people have. Its not a zombie land and there are people Walking Around in these body suits all over the the city and life continues in most of the city, but you are seeing a grim situation by the Treatment Centers and in the houses of people that are affected. Its bad, and a big part of that is because a lot of these people cant get into these Treatment Centers so you have situations where people are waiting at these gates, lying on the ground, vomiting, dying and their family members are there desperately trying to get them help and theres nothing that they can do. I think thats a very important point. It is not a zombie land and this is affecting a part of the population and it is decimating a part of the population and by no means is it affecting an entire society. Daniel, in terms of the Health Infrastructure, give us a sense of the gap between the need and whats available and how optimistic are you that this new american promise of military personnel and resources will be scaled up in time to meet an exploding epidemic . You know, part of it is just that the infrastructure is just not there. Whether its corruption or whether liberia couldnt get anything built in time. You really dont have that many beds or treatment certains. They have a hard it much time dealing with malaria and things of that nature and people are calling ambulances four or five days and not getting a response and same thing with body retrieval units and to see msf which is extremely dedicated and taking risks and to see them have to turn away people at their gates is really shocking and its heartbreaking for them as well and thats how dire it is when you have these people who are at the front lines in wars and they cant treat people because thai dont have enough space and they dont have enough funding to really do this. Thats a dire, dire situation. Daniel, let me ask you one more question. In terms of the stigma of ebola. Weveflicting reports about whether folks are coming to terms with the fact that family members are infected. They take them to the hospital and they cant get them to a bed and they dont want to acknowledge that there may be an infection under well roof and that, of course, raises the stakes considerably and the likelihood of contagion to other family members. In terms of reconciling this sort of prevalence of this disease, people being stigmatized and quiet about it . The awareness campaigns have worked and people are aware and you have people who dont want to admit it and maybe they think its malaria or typhoid, but you have to think of it this way. This is a disease when youre watching a loved one suffer, the Natural Inclination is to want to be close with them and comfort them and do whatever you can. And with this particular disease thats the worst possible thing you can do. Even if theyre aware and not a stigma its hard to watch a loved one suffer that cant get treatment and leave them be. Thats one of the hardest things for people in liberia to deal with. I think it would be hard for anyone to deal with it. It is a physically, just destructive disease, but also, i think thshgs bears mentioning, so mentally and emotionally devastating. Daniel gold with vice news. Be well, daniel. Thank you for joining us today. Thank you for having me. You can see more pictures of daniels reporting on vicenews. Com. Joining me is nicholas christoph, coauthor of a new book a path appears, transforming lives and creating opportunity. Thanks, guys. Thanks a lot. Nick, let me start with the column that you have today in the times which fairly excoriates the west for not doing enough and certainly not soon enough. Why did the to your mind, why did the International Community wait so long to act on this . Well, you know, its the pattern. Its what we always do. We drop the ball on aids. We dropped the ball on cholera in haiti. We a we are a tune to military forms who are willing to do all kind of preparation and spend all kind of money when there is a potential threat from iran or from isis, but for whatever reason we are we just never respond in time to disease threats and especially those that emerge in the developing world where it it seeps like most likely the people suffering will be people in liberia and sierra leone and its the pattern and the way its always been. Nick, in terms of the sort of havoc that this has wrought. It has decimated, the infrastructure that existed in many of these countries. You touch on this in your piece, but how worried are you that this funding combatting towards combatting ebola will be taken from other vital Public Health funding for other skisses . You know that would be the biggest tragedy and something i am very worried about. Basically, the International Community with a lot of help from some of those local countries completely fumbled their response to ebola and the question of is who is going to pay for the billion dollars or so that will be needed to address ebola when at a time when you have ebola when theyre doubling every two to three weeks and, you know, that money will come from somewhere and its anythigoing to be some typ international pot. We have famines in south sudan and somalia, it may be from that pool and one of the things that i worry about in particular is that the International Vaccine initiative is raising funds right now for International Childhood vaccines and this is one of the best lifesaving interventions. It would save 5 to 6 million childrens lives, but it it has the misfortune of trying to get commitments from countries at precisely the time when countries who are instead switching money to ebola. So i fear that its going to be the result is going to be fewer kids vaccinated and more kids dying unnecessarily. To the vaccine and the question of vaccines and their availability and this has also shed a light on how drugs are approved and fast tracked or not for broader public use. I guess it is in sharp relief the news we have today that dr. Richard sacra, the most recent american infected with ebola was released from the hospital. Weve seen westerners come back here and effectively survive and get cured because they are given access to experimental drugs. In your mind, why, if you could tell us why experimental drugs and vaccines made more readily available and more quickly available to victims of ebola on the african continent . So we have a vaccine that may be promising, but remember, it hasnt gone through trials. It will take a long time to develop it in any quantities. I think because we tend to think in those medical terms, we are pushing the vaccine buttons, but i think. We look realistically at what might make a difference it will be Health Infrastructure and things like protective gear and providing beds for people. Right now as your report showed there are so many people being cared for at home in ways that are almost guaranteed to infect their loved ones and thats what we have to interrupt. You know, it may well be that vaccines may be able to play some role in that, but thats unclear. What is absolutely clear is we have to provide protective gear. We have to provide training and we have to provide education around the country so burial practices change, for example, and you know, that can be done. But that takes time, too. That takes time to change cultural practices and part of the thing with the vaccines is the economic structure around private sector demand for an ebola vaccine just hasnt existed until this moment and therefore the likelihood that it can be used in any sort of mass capacity is dim, but to that end, nick, what you are highlighting, education and cultural awareness. Do you think this moment and out of a crisis as the old saying goes, well could be some kind of Lesson Learned and some kind of good thing to come out of this in terms of Broader Health education or you know, Health Safety . You know, i would love it it if the Silver Lining from this total fiasco were that we would understand that its so much better to invest early in addressing Infectious Diseases and in general we are so much better off investing in the front end rather than paying far more at the back end. No business would ever run this way, but you know this, alex, in area after area after area, whether it is Global Health or education or anything else, we are unwilling to make those front End Investments and so, you know, we dont want to invest in prek, but we are perfectly happy to pay for prisons later and that, unfortunately is the pattern of Global Health. It would be great if this were begin to change that mindset just a little bit. The book is a path appears, nick christoph, it is always to see you, even the dark times, nick. Thank you for your time. Good to be with you, alex. We are seconds away from the president announcing the resignation of eric holder. Lets talk a little bit about what you think eric holder may best be remembered for. Is it his civil rights work or is it his battle to ensure or to try ensure civilian trials for those terrorists who plotted to take down the trade center on the september 11th attacks . Its a great question as we await the president and attorney general for coming out for this announcement here, one of the longest serving attorneys general. I think there are at least three sores about eric holder and one is civil rights and another national security, an area where they had more starts than sops. The third area, well look to is also the settlements they obtained in the wake of the financial crisis and some of the largest against big banks and mortgage providers, larger than any settlement in. Any field for decades prior and yet still frustration that more Bank Executives werent held personally responsible. So i think those are three beats. He was the first attorney general held in contempt and that will be viewed as a narrow and political ploy and not a real part of his legacy. I think its interesting that you bring up the bank settlements, ari, because of all of the things hes done that is where he gets criticism from the left in terms of whether or not those are stiffer and whether there should have been criminal proceedings and whether the settlements were adequate during the scale of the crime in some folks mines, but if you had to pick one, my friend, you know what . I think well be just seconds away. We see the president walking in. Lets actually go and take a listen. Live, president obama is speaking about the retirement of attorney general eric holder. On this generation of americans falls the full burden of proving to the world that we really mean when we say all men are createded free and equal before the law. As one of the longest serving attorneys general of american history, eric holder has borne that burden. He came to me and said he thought six years was a pretty good run. I imagine his family agrees. Like me, eric married up. He and his wife, dr. Sharon malone, nationally renowned have been great friends to michelle and me for years, and i know brooke and maya and buddy are excited to get their dad back for a while. So this is bittersweet, but with his typical dedication, eric has agreed to stay on as attorney general until i nominate a successor and that successor is confirmed by the senate. Which means hell have a cans to add to a career on private service, one that began 40 years ago as a young prosecutor in the department that he now runs. He was there for 12 years taking on political corruption until president reagan named him to the bench as a judge. Later, president clinton called him back. So all told, eric has served at the Justice Department under six president s of both parties. Including a severalday stint at the start of george w. Bushs first erm. And through it all hes shown a deep and abiding fidelity to one of our most cherished ideals to our people and that is equal justice under the law. As younger men, eric and i both studied law, and i chose him to serve as attorney general because he believes, as i do, that justice is not just an abstract theory. Its a living and breathing principle. Its about how our laws interact with our daily lives. Its about whether we can make an honest living and whether we can provide for our families, whether we feel safe in our own communities and welcomed in our own country. Whether the words that the founders set on paper 238 years ago apply to every single one of us and not just some. Thats why i made him americas lawyer. The peoples lawyer. That comes with a big portfolio from counterterrorism to civil rights, public corruption to White Collar Crime and alongside the incredible men and women of the Justice Department, men and women that i promise you, he is proud of and will deeply miss, eric has done a superb job. Hes worked side by side with our Intelligence Community and the department of Homeland Security to keep us safe from terrorist attacks and to counter violent extremism. On his watch, federal courts have successfully prosecuted hundreds of terror cases proving that the the worlds finest Justice System is fully capable of delivering justice for the worlds most wanted terrorists. Hes rooted out corruption and fought Violent Crime. Under his watch a few years ago the fbi successfully carried out the largest mafia takedown in american history. Hes worked closely with state and local Law Enforcement officers to make sure that theyve got the resources to get the job done and hes managed funds under the recovery act to make sure when budgets took a hit thousands of cops were able to stay on the beat nationwide. Hes helped safeguard our markets from r manipulation and consumers from financial fraud. Since went 2009 the Justice Department has brought cases against Financial Institutions and won some of the largest settlements in history to the practice related to the financial crisis recovering 85 billion. Much of it returned to ordinary americans who were badly hurt. Hes worked passionately to make sure our criminal Justice System remains the best in the world. He knows too many outdated policies, no matter how will well intentioned perpetuate a destructive cycle in too many communities. So eric addressed unfair disparities and reworked mandatory minimums and promoted alternatives to incarceration and thanks to his efforts, since i took office the overall crime rate and the overall incarceration rate have gone down by about 10 . Thats the first time that theyve declined together at the same time in more than 40 years. Erics proudest achievement, though, might be reinvigorating and restoring the core mission to what he calls the conscience of the building and thats the civil rights division. He has been relentless against attacks on the Voting Rights act because no citizen, including our service members, should have to jump through hoops to exercise their most fundamental right. Hes challenged the discriminatory state immigration laws that not only risk harassment of citizens and legal immigrants and actually made it it harder for Law Enforcement to do its job. Under his watch the department has brought a Record Number of prosecutions for Human Trafficking and for hate crimes because no one in america should be afraid to walk down the street because of the color of their skin, the love in their heart, the path thfaith they pr or disabilities they live with. Hes dramatically advanced the cause of justice with native americans working closely with their communities and several years ago he recommended that our government stop defending the defense of marriage act, a decision that was vindicated by the Supreme Court and opened the door to federal recognition of samesex marriage and federal benefits for samesex couples. Its a pretty good track record. Erics father was an immigrant who served in the army in world war ii only to be refused service at lunch counters in the nation he defended, but he and his wife raised their son to believe that this countrys promise was real and that son grew up on become attorney general of the United States. Isnt that something . And thats why erics worked so hard not just in my administration, but for decades to open up the the promise of this country to more striving, dreaming kids like him, to make sure that those words, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are made real for all of us. So sooneric, sharon and their kids will be freer to pursue a little more happiness of their own and thanks to erics efforts so will more americans regardless of race or religion, gender or creed, Sexual Orientation or disability who will receive pafair and equal treatment under the law so i just want to say thank you, eric. Thank you to the men and women of the Justice Department who worked day in and out for the American People and we could not be more grateful for everything that youve done, not just for me, the administration, but for the country. [ applause ] thank you. [ applause ] thank you. I come to this moment with very mixed emotions. Proud of what the men and women of the department of justice have accomplished over the last six years and at the same time very sad that i will not be a formal part, a formal part of the great things that this department and this president wil will accomplish over the next two. I want to thank you, mr. President , for the opportunity that you gave me to serve and for giving me the greatest honor of my professional life. We have been great colleagues, but the bonds between us are much keeper than that. In good times and in bad, in things personal and in things professional you have been there for me. Im proud to call you my friend. I am also grateful for the support you have given me and the department as we have made real the visions that you and i have always shared. I often think of those early talks between us about our belief that we might help to craft a more perfect union. Work remains to be done, but our list of accomplishments is real. Over the last six years our administration, your administration, has made historic gains in realizing the principles of the founding documents and fought to protect the most sacred of american rights, the right to vote. Weve begun to realize the promise of equality for our lgbt brothers and sisters and their families. We have begun on significantly reform our criminal Justice System and reconnect those who bravely serve in Law Enforcement with the the communities that they protect. We have kept faith with our belief in the power of the greatest judicial system the world has ever known to pairly and effectively adjudicate any cases that are brought before it, including those that involve the security of the nation that we both love so dearly. We have taken steps to protect the environment and make more fair the rules by which are commercial enterprises operate and we have held accountable those who harm the American People either lieu violent means or the misuse of economic or political power. I have loved the department of justice ever since as a young boy. I watched Robert Kennedy prove during a Civil Rights Movement how the department can and must always be a force for that which is right. I hope that i have condition honor to the faith that you have placed in me, mr. President and to the legacy of all those who have served before me. I would also like to thank the Vice President who i have known for so many years and in whom i have found great wisdom and wavering support and a shared vision of what america can and should be. I want on recognize my good friend, Valerie Jaret whom ive been fortunate to work with what started as an improbable idealistic effort by a young senator from illinois who we were both right to achieve greatness. Ive had the opportunity to serve in your distinguished cabinet and work with a white house chief of staff a white house staff ably led by dennis mcdonogh that has done much to make real the promise of our democracy, and the and each of the men and women who i have come to know will be lifelong prens. Whatever my accomplishaccomplis they could not have been achieved without the guidance of people that are not here with me, my parents nurtured me and my accomplished brother william made us believe in the value of individual effort and the greatness of this nation. My time in Public Service which now comes to an end would not have been possible without the sacrifices too often unfair made by the bestially kids a father could ask for. Thank you, maya, thank you, brooke, and thank you, buddy. And finally, i want to thank the woman who sacrificed the most and allowed me to follow my dreams. Shes the foundation of all that our family is and the basis of all that i have become. My wife sharon is the unsung hero and she is my life partner. Thank you for all that you have done. I love you. In the months ahead i will leave the department of justice, but i will never, i will never leave the work. I will continue to serve and try to find ways to make our nation even more rue to its founding ideals. I want to thank the dedicated Public Servants who are the backbone of the department of justice for the past years and for the e pors they will continue and for the progress that will outlast us all. And i want to thank you all for joining me on a journey that now moves in another direction, but that will always be guided by the pursuit of justice and aimed at the north star. Thank you. [ applause ] that was president obama announcing the retirement of his friend and, of course, the United States attorney general eric holder. Joining me now is the president the most. Before the ceremony started we were talking about holders legacy and three areas, civil rights, justice, including Homeland Security issues and Financial Issues and the bank settlements. Race is the one that i think has been the sort of headline subject for eric holder. One is that i think makes him very proud. It was mentioned e equality was a big theme in the ceremony today. Glen tlush wrote of eric holder last august, holder is willing to say the things obama and wouldnt say about race. Asked to describe his role, one of his former op aides described him as obamas heat shield. Would you agree with that some. I will say its been a very interesting thing to watch president obama and attorney general holder really articulate two different, both important sides of what is racism in america today. You know, i think president obama tends to go with interpersonal and we have interpersonal racism and he wants to talk about he wants to bring everyone to a beer summit and empathize and say if that were pea thats how i would peel or react. And he wants to believe that the next generation will be better on the issue of race than the president. Exact le. Exactly. And then you have the attorney general who has been quite pointed in saying that thats not enough. I dont think it was a direct slight at the president , of course, but in a really important historic speech that he gave this summer at a historically black college, these flareups of interpersonal slurs and name calling are not what is the most pernicious form of racism. Its the policies and its the structures and thats what hes used his perch at the department of justice to go after in the most aggressive way that weve seen and really the most incremental way as well if you think about how far we have to go on things like criminal justice and universal suffrage in this country. Upon. Ari, to that end, the fight is not yet over. There are pending lawsuits. There is an un we have no idea what the outcome will be with various Voter Suppression efforts across the country. President obama will need to get an emmisary where eric holder is leaving off. Time is ticking. We have midterm elections in november and this will be a gnarly, to be euphemistic confirmation process for the next nominee. I wonder who you think might step into eric holders shoes . I think if they want to use what is what is the two years left here and keep it as efficient as possible they can look within the department. James cole is a name that was talked about, a number two. Tony west just departed as the number three assistant attorney general, also an africanamerican prosecutor there. Outside of the name youve heard Duval Patrick or the attorney general in california, but it is difficult for the reasons you arc lewd to to just jump right in and try to continue everything and hit the ground running when you are also in what is politically a lame duck environment. The other point, if i may, alex, that wasnt really a normal sendoff. The pageantry of it, the intimacy of it and the president and the attorney general both spoke relatively briefly, but i felt as someone who watches a fair amount of press conferences as you do that there was something heartfelt well and that is interesting because i think the attorney general did walk the correct line. He had a relationship with the relationship. He had trust with the president. One that began professional low when then senator barack obama first came to washington and holder was, if anything, the more elder statesman and grew to be a personal relationship with their families spending time together and we hear so much sometimes about people in washington not getting along or reach across the aisle to watch football dtogether and thats often discussed in a bipartisan thing, and for the moment we just saw it was interesting to see two men in this case, to be frank, two africanamerican men, the first black president and the first black attorney general. Sure. And such Close Friends who made it this far along together. Thats a really great point that ari makes and i thought the end of holders remarks that guided by justice and always pointing toward the north star. Im butchering it remarkably as i do with words, but he i mean, obviously the role of the attorney general is an incredibly important been, but in this administration has seemed even more so perhaps in no small part due to the historic nature of, you know, having the first black orange and the relationship with the president and when you talk about the successor and not to focus too much on the future, and given howrelationship with and when you talk about the successor and not to focus too much on the future, and given how politics is for the first attorney general and civil rights and ensuring a free and fair and just american society, are you optimistic that the president can find and get confirmed someone who will be able to take up the mantle with as much gusto that one must . I think actually, i am optimistic. I think that this actually, you know, it will probably happen in the lame duck session and the democrats in charge will say this is a important priority because they know how much their own hands are tied in congress and they know how much work there is to be done. How much momentum there is right now on rebalancing the role of security and freedom and rights in the communities across the country on criminal justice. I mean, the work that the attorney general has started in the wake of ferguson has to continue. The work that has been started in terms of deemphasizing the sentencing by numbers and mass incarceration. The wok of using the bully pulpit to say part first time the attorney general of the United States said you know what . We should repeal these bans on people with felony convictions voting. All of this is so important to the single biggest fight that i think we have in this country right now at this fulcrum moment in demographic change and a new, diverse enraising coming to citizenship is who is going to be really considered a citizen some and whether its criminal justice or Economic Justice and the laws, and the mechanics of voting i think that this attorney general has done more to set an aspirational tone than weve seen in a long time and it cant stop. It cant stop two years before this president is anyone. Ari, real quick. Something the president pointed out which we i think have not sort of celebrated enough, crime and incarceration is down 10 . Yep. That is a big deal spoo most types of crime, particularly Violent Crime is down. Incarceration is down. The notion that being tough on crime that putting people away and throwing away the key is the way to address these problems is being disproven by the policies and the data and thats a good thing. Heather mcgee. Every time youre so the show im, like, thats why shes president of demos. You should catch ari on the cycle right here on msnbc. Coming up, jayz, no doubt, Carrie Underwood, the roots and those are a few of the friends that i have. Just kidding. Theyre top names in music and entertainment and teaming up this saturday not only for an epic jam session in new yorks central park and also to fight global poverty. I spoke with the organizer and the cofounder of africa rising. They are coming up next. To scuffed shoes, and more. And when ran out of pages, he made a website instead. Share your tips at mycleanbook. Com say hi rudy. [ barks ] [ chuckles ] id do anything to keep this guy happy and healthy. Thats why im so excited about these new milkbone brushing chews. Whoa, im not the only one. Its a brilliant new way to take care of his teeth. Clinically proven as effective as brushing. Ok, here you go. Have you ever seen a dog brush his own teeth . 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This saturday in central park tens of thousands of people will gather as part of the Global Citizens festival to take action against extreme poverty. The concert will be headlined by a few people you may have heard of, jayz, no doubt, Carrie Underwood, and the roots. It it will focus on issues of water and sanitation, vaccination and education all with the goal of World Without extreme poverty by the year 2030. Earlier this week i spoke with the ceo of the global poverty project, hugh evans and the cofounder of africa rising. I began by asking hugh how he pulled trth this concert and the global movement. A couple of years ago my wife and i moved to Financial Network city and we had this dream of putting on this concert with one of our friends by the name of ryan gold. We wanted to do it in sen ral park andry realized that no one had done that since simon and garfunkel and bon jovi and we met with the Mayors Office and the Parks Department and they were so generous, they all said yes and so the foo fighters agreed to perform with neil young, band of horses and the black keys and last year, Stevie Wonder helped us take it to a whole new level and this year the incredible producer of the Grammys Ken Ehrlich came onboard to work with us and now in our third year, jayz, Carrie Underwood, the roots and no doubt will join us with 50,000 citizens and we are show excited that youll be joining us this weekend, alex. I am so excited to join you. Kweku, this is a concert like no other. The issues that you focus are are very much a are part of the lineup of events and theyll be front and center as much as jayz and Carrie Underwood and no count will be. The three focuses include water, sanitation and education and vaccinations. A lot of those issues disproportionately affect africa, and i guess, what is your message to African Leaders who are struggling to provide basic services to their people at a time when they are facing an extraordinary Global Health crisis in the form of ebola . I think they need to look you know, towards the pafact that 7 of the population is youth. These youth are looking for not just for opportunities, but a fair you will matly to make something of themselves and to ultimately be the future that we all hope the continent will prosp prosperly have and so i think its important that they heed the call of Global Citizens from around the world and particularly the ones that have made it down to new york for the Global Citizen pest val. If you look at the stats on these particular issues. Water, one in ten people in the world lack access to water. Over 1 billion in the world dont have access to a toilet. 58 million children ages 6 to 11 are not in school, hugh. We have seen what will be an extraordinary week bookended by huge shows of activism whether it is 400,000 people marching for Climate Change issues in new york city or the Global Citizens project which will bring a crowd of 65,000, itsest pated mp my question is given the magnitude of the problems, rallying is one thing, but true change is another. What is your response to folks that are critical of activism in a public forum . Well, thats why we designed the Global Citizen pest val the way we did. We decided we wanted to turn the traditional activism of the 1980s and 90s when you saw live aid that people would have on earn their way into the Global Citizen festival and take action for six months leading up to the festival to become informed citizens who were actually taking action in what they learn, say, give, buy and do all of these actions would score them points and they would use these points to redeem to come to the festival. In doing so, building a much more sustainable movement. We realize that this is not a flash in the pan, one huge night and its all over and we feel great and walk away. We know that if we will see an extreme end to poverty by the great mandela, this has to be a 365day movement and thats what were committed to. Let me ask you about the legacy of your grandfather. One thing that Nelson Mandela possessed in spades was hope and optimism about the future and humanity in a way. I guess i wonder we talk about the world as it stands right now and there are a lot of crises that face this generation and the next. Do you still think young people are as idealistic as your grandfathers generation . I think even more so. I think even though, you know, as hugh said, you know, change has been slow, i think whats fascinating is to see how many more young people are able to travel in this day any age to connect with people from across the globe and to actually have an impact in changing the dynamics of things like poverty, hiv and aids, education, water and health and sanitation, and i think thats because they can directly engage with these things now, they feel a lot more optimistic about their future because they actually have a pulse in the hand in actually shaping it. Hugh evans and kweku mandela, this is shaping up to be an extraordinary afternoon. Thank you for your time and efforts. Thank you. Be sure to tune in to msnbc this saturday for special coverage of the Global Citizens festival. I will be cohosting coverage of that live concert along with my buddies chris hayes and ronan farrow, that is 3 00 p. M. Eastern on msnbc. Thats all for now and i will will see you at 4 00. The ed show is up next. 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