Transcripts For MSNBCW The 11th Hour With Brian Williams 20180120

11th hour with Brian Williams starts now. We have been meeting at this hour for sometime now, and each night weve been counting down the days. And it is time to say this. This was day 365, a full calendar year of the trump administration, and we find ourselves quite literally in the 11th hour of a high stakes standoff inside the u. S. Capitol in washington and stretching across town to the white house. A Government Shutdown threatens to take effect less than an hour from now on the oneYear Anniversary of Donald Trumps inauguration. A short time ago a senate vote failed as you know if youve been watching our live coverage, and that cleared the way in effect for this shutdown. Throughout the day congressional leaders from both parties have been in talks with each other and with the white house in an attempt to hash out something. At one point President Trump summoned the Senate Minority leader Chuck Schumer to the white house for a meeting that lasted about 90 minutes. Subsequent reporting has it that the president did not share his plans with his staff before Chuck Schumer showed up. Despite that meeting, all of them maneuvering all day, all night leading up to the ismoment, no solutions have apparently been reached. Leaving the nation for the first Government Shutdown under unified Party Control ever of congress and the white house. A few moments ago if youve been watching our live coverage, you saw this moment take place. We saw chschumer and mcconnell, ranking gentlemen in both of their parties, head off the floor to it right of the main desk into the senate cloakroom. We dont know why. We dont know for how long. But the point was also made during lawrences broadcast that for something to work at this hour, to avoid a government shout down the coordination that would be required with the house and across town at the white house would be something indeed. So you see the two leaders there talking. Lets go to our correspondent on the hill, garret headache whoak working for us. Really the only thing that logistically seems possible to do that a at this hour would be to swing in those votes for the senate to pass the shortterm cr and extension that has been on their desk since about this time last night. This was a vote that could have happened 24 hours ago but instead goes now to the very last minute. Im staring at the doors of the house of representatives, behind our cameras here. The lights are on, the doors are locked. The other question is if not this, what . What can be agreed to . During the course of the day today weve heard floats of other extensions of government funding for a week or two weeks or even three weeks that didnt have some of these other things attached. The idea being lets shorten the time line here, force both parties and the president to come up with some kind of a deal. But its unclear if the four republicans who voted against this deal or enough democrats whod be willing to cross the line, the atmospherics around this, you had democrats outside the capitol tonight holding a rally saying we wasnt give up this fight. Were going to keep fighting for the d. R. E. A. M. Ers. Were going to keep fighting for an actual budget. To back off now simply for a different cr with a different end date looks unlikely. The question is what will the two Party Leaders who do have so much control over what happens in that body, what will they come back with when they come back to the chamber if and when they do tonight. Were watching it closely, garret. But tell us before we lose you, what happens now . 56 minutes from now, whats the mechanism . How will we feel a Government Shutdown at 12 00 midnight eastern time . Well, brian, most people probably wont. Thats probably the reason theres some kind of Broad Spectrum optimism here. If they think theres a potential deal, if nothing else i suspect well hear more of these lawmakers talk tonight, but we may inch closer to some sort of agreement. And they will be back here tomorrow. We already know the House Democrats have already told their caucus be here tomorrow morning at 10 00. So the effects for most people will be delayed perhaps long enough that lawmakers can work something out over the course of the weekend. But again thats going to require buy in from the president , which hasnt happened here. And both parties have complained about. We heard from Mitch Mcconnell this week he doesnt understand where he stands on the issues, and we heard Lindsey Graham. And we got the same sense today from Chuck Schumer despite spending 90 minutes with the president today, they couldnt come to even the contours of an agreement to give the democrats something to hang their hat on. While youve been talking, and i dont know if we have control over which angles of the senate floor we show, if we can take down the banner in the upper left, there is Chuck Schumer. Chuck schumer is talking with jeff flake. While garret was talking Chuck Schumer emerged from the republican cloakroom. At the bottom of your screen with his back to you is Lindsey Graham whos been involved in the talks all night. So this is right now kind of how a bill becomes or more appropriately doesnt become law. You are watching your u. S. Senate at work, and to many of you some of the faces you see bernie sanders, the independent who caucuses with the democrats, some of the faces will be familiar. But also it should be noted schumer is still over in the republican side of the well of the senate. That is for the lack of a better ter term, Enemy Territory for him. Hes talking to jeff flake like hes going to meander back to the left side. We have not seen Mitch Mcconnell yet. And we are now in the process of zeroing in on the clerk of the senate. I think that was a brave try to try to zero in on linda graham. So there is a schumer in the foreground going back up the democratic side. Jeff, can you add anything from over there . Reporter i can. I can tell you this, garret laid out really well the political kind of play here. I can tell you that meeting that Senate Leader Chuck Schumer and President Trump had earlier today, have a bit more color to share about that from a white house official. Were told that the president while he was meeting with senator schumer and senator schumer relayed to us what has been described a laundry list of demands he wanted in a twoyear deal. The response from the president was thats not going to happen today. The president encouraged him to work out his differences directly with Mitch Mcconnell. And we can assume from what happened tonight that Mitch Mcconnell didnt budge from his position. We know, brian, that congress is crisis activated institution. For the last three and a half months theyve been running on a series of these stop gap measures. Until now they had no reason to turn off the lights in the federal government as they might in less than a hour. The difference here is that democrats are dug in. They believe they have political leverage. They believe this issue theyre advocating for, protections for the d. R. E. A. M. Ers, and beyond that they feel its a moral issue worth fighting. And were seeing this play out apparently now on the floor of the u. S. Senate. Thank you for that. Let us know if theres news from the white house. We have robert costa, National Political reporter for the washington post, and an msnbc analyst. Robert, i see youre up on the hill. Anything you can add to our reporting . What theyre doing in the capitol, is theyre trying to figure out can they do a shortterm bill in the coming hours so these negotiations can continue. I spoke to senator graham and others and they think the white house can come together and have some kind of promise on the d. R. E. A. M. Ers vote or Something Like that. They just need a few more days. So the question tonight is will they tweak that house bill that goes for a month and just make it for a few days . Robert, im going to interrupt you only to bring in a member of the u. S. Senate. Senator jeff murkily, a democrat from oregon has joined us off the floor of the senate. Why did we just see the leaders of the republican and democratic caucuses disappear into the cloakroom . Whats going on is everyone has voted except Mitch Mcconnell. And mitch hasnt voted yet because hes trying to buy time. The majority leader now realizes this plan from the house is dead, its not going to happen. That the principles were standing on, Health Clinics need tee boo address w, defense need to be addressed and certainly members of the community who have not had their status nailed down for so long, that needs to be addressed as well. We need to make sure we take care of the d. R. E. A. M. Act. So what do you have to say to a park ranger tonight who has to either post a sign for reduced services or no admission tomorrow or may indeed be fur lowed. How do you explain this to a federal employee . Well, i think that employee should be outraged that these issues that we were bringing up last summer because it should have been resolved before the fiscal year were delayed because republicans wanted to wipeout health care for 30 Million People in america. And then they had this tax bill, and in that they did not want to deal with the basic of government. They didnt want to develop the spending bill. They proceeded to delay and delay, things of which theres bipartisan agreement. We have a bipartisan daca d. R. E. A. M. Er bill. We have a bipartisan Childrens Health care bill. We have a Bipartisan Health care clinic bill. And so we have been saying we will happily keep the government open, keep it open for one day, keep it open for three days, but there has to be a short period to force the Republican Leadership and President Trump to sit down and get the deal done. But the deadline coming up in 45 minutes was supposed to force everyone to get a deal done. And if you say theres any clean way for daca and the d. R. E. A. M. Act done, is there a cruelty to that . It has been disturbing they have been unwilling to sit down and negotiate until the last second. We tried, for example, even last night to say let us take the vote youre planning to take tomorrow, let us take it tonight. We can tell you its not going to pass and lets use that 24 hours to work out a deal. But its brinksmanship, and Mitch Mcconnell is putting the entire nation at peril. You asked me about the republican leader and democratic leader leaving the room together into the cloakroom. What theyre doing right now is theyre probably discussing how to do a very short couple days continuing resolution so we stay open and were forced to do intensive negotiations to get this deal done. All right, well look for you to ereemerreemerge on the floor. Thank you so much, jeff murkily, democrat from the state of oregon. Chris matthews has called into us. Obviously the host of hardball. Chris, were walking tom cotton walk around on his phone. Theres a little caucus going on of sanders, durbin and warren just one step up off the floor. I said this last week, i dont mean to insult a bunch of drunks, but this is government by seemingly a bunch of drunks. Well, its not the way they used to do it. And not to be the old guy here, but, brian, i remember when i was working for the Senate Budget committee back in the 70s, and we had a bipartisan budget. They would work out every one of the 13 functions of the federal government, they would work out a fiscal policy. They would agree on it and get it through the senate. Those were the days where you actually compromised, and you came to the office in the morning with the idea youd find a way to compromise. Its been often said tonight on your network that the republican Party Controls both houses of congress and the presidency. Well, they dont actually control the u. S. Senate. Because today you cant get oa vote on anything without 60 votes, and that means the republicans have to pick up nine votes from the democratic side, and they werent going to get them tonight because the democrats were committed to daca, and also they were promised they could get it by the president weeks ago. On the other side as you mentioned tom cotton, very hard line against immigration, they dont want to have their fingerprints or votes on anything that looks like amnesty, anything thats proimmigration theyre afraid of. So youve got the democrats that dont want to do business with the president after what he said about people of color around countries around the world. Theyre free thought to vote with him. They dont want to be in political bed with him. And on the right youve got people who dont want to be seen in anyway open to immigration, especially illegal immigration. Whatever theyre seen in terms of delaying this vote its still a fight. And its rough. And i hate to say the federal government runs in such a ragtag way. We are ingrate country of the world, and we cant seem to govern ourselves with any kind of class. As you speak, im watching murkily who has just reemerged in the chamber. Hes at the center top of our picture. Some interesting gatherings among republicans on the left hand side. You see grassly of iowa, portly of ohio. These are the pictures we dont have control over. This is Senate Television that decides to switch back and forth. Chris, weve not seen the majority leader come back out of the cloakroom. Are we going to hear from does anyone on the phone you think with the president or maybe his chief of staff or maybe the legislative director . You know, normally, yes. But it seems like President Trump in the last couple of days has left this up to his like his onus is saying doing what you want to do, kids. Its almost cartoonish because he is the leader and he would be the one to say, look, i can push this with the more conservative members of the house caucus. I can push this and maybe get a couple votes out of them and we can get this to it floor tonight. He would normally be the one to squeeze people. But im not sure hes involved. I think its Chuck Schumer with the hot hand. Hes got the hot hand. He doesnt have anyone in his caucus pressuring him to do business with this president tonight. And in fact i think hes got a lot of people on the streets tonight, activists, resisteres who dont want to see any deal. I think chuck is the boss tonight, and i dont think therell be a deal unless he wants one tonight. And i think he wants one tonight because that means hell be responsible and accountable for it. This is what its coming to, though, accountability and a willingness of politicians to stick their necks out and say, okay, heres the deal. Its not everything we want but its good for the country. Theyre not in mat mood right now. The democrats dont want to deal with a president whoo whos talked ethnically as hes done in the last week of people of color. I think thats something hes probably going to have recognize in the next couple of days, its time for him to give because of his own misstatement. This is a president keenly attuned to marketing. And with a selfcurated image as a deal maker we just came on the air and announced this was day 365 of the trump administration. A year ago they were celebrating their inauguration, litigating the largest crowds Human History has ever seen. Here we are a year later. A lot of americans have gone to bed early tonight because of their plans to go march on the streets of their city and town again tomorrow. But this president who was supposed to be in maralago, a hundred thousand dollars a couple to celebrate that first year in office, hes losing tonight that winning battle because americans so attuned to be watching cable news are watching this on the u. S. Senate. Absolute paralysis. And it used to be when president obama was in office, a different kind of disaster. It was very patterned. He would cut a deal with john boehner, then the speaker of the house. And then by the time boehner got in his car, boehners chief of staff said you just made a deal you cant hold. It cannot hold with our hard right, our freedom caucus. And this time around the president cuts a deal on tuesday of last week, ask then by thursday his chief of staff, john kelly and steven miller, his right wing mand, i guess, his righthand man have convinced him he cant make the deal he just made. So he brings in two hardball people, tom cotton and purdue of georgia and they basically ambush the democrats of good faith, especially dick durbin. I think its very similar to before. And its complete confusion and congestion and failure, and its now carried into this administration where the hard right is the veto. And i think thats an objective statement, by the way. This time around its the hard right on immigration who dont want to ever have their name soiled by being for anyone who try tuesday live in this country whose parents came in illegally just to try to make it as americans, people who grew up and wanted to be americans and have kept their nose clean, havent broken any laws under the provision of the executive order. And even the long path theyre seeking after themselves, and so this is the hard line against immigration were seeing here. And i think thats the reason. Its not the numbers tonight or the politics. Its just theres people who dont want to welcome people to this country under any terms. Our thanks to the Irish Catholic from philadelphia into introducing yiddish into our broadcast tonight. Chris matthews, thanks. Theres cornyn of texas and schumer emerging again. Our political director, the host of meet the press, the host of meet the press daily, chuck todd is on the phone. We do see Mitch Mcconnell with flake right now pointing to a piece of paper. So thats progress. Chuck, have we gotten anything wrong yet on our coverage of this . Not at all. Heres what i can build on a little bit. There is still talks what im told the two Senate Leaders were banding back and forth with a possibility of sort of splitting the difference, right . You had democrats saying how about four or five days. How had republicans say four weeks. But maybe theyre looking at ten to 12 days of a continuation here, something that would take them through just after the state of the union. Now, that was part of the earlier conversation, i was told between senator schumer and the president , that that idea had actually been thrown around but republicans were pushing back on the idea just after state of the union. They wanted one more week after that. So thats why four or five hours ago, brian, when i came on the air for the first time tonight it looked like they were headed toward this threeweek compromise or Something Like that. And then obviously the democrats couldnt wrap their arms around that. But now im told what they were just doing now is they were still working on this idea of, okay, maybe truly splitting the difference between five days and four weeks and going to this state of the union deadline. So all is not lost yet, i think. Can you imagine, chuck, if a business had to run this way . For folks just joining us thats Chuck Schumer drinking what we hope was water. Durbin of illinois is seated in the right hand frame. Mcconnell standing there with cornyn. Flake is at the seemingly outer orbit. Theres a shot of, corker and flake, probably the two biggest critics on the republican side of this president , on opposite sides of leader mcconnell. And pat lahey is about to walk across the bottom of the frame. This is your senate at work. I think senator john kennedy, the republican from louisiana who i think quickly is becoming the most Political Center right now of the 100. He just simply said the other day we suck at this, referring to the United States senate. And i thought, well, all right, thats one way of not mincing words. But hes right. I have to say ive been stunned by the lack of urgency coming out of this white house. I dont understand why mr. Art of deal and that whole thing, theyre not the irony here, is theres such an opportunity for the president to separate himself a little bit from washington, to give himself an opportunity to say i ran because i thought these guys didnt know how to make deals anymore, and he could save the day and cut this deal. But theyve been theyve been passive players in all this today which is just befuddling to emooch because if theyre going back and forth in this blame game longterm the person whos going to get the most blame for this is the president. Hes the one in charge. And hes the one, arguably, that frankly created the weather over the last ten days that caused this acrimonious back and forth between the two parties in the senate. I do believe the reason were stumbling through this shutdown tonight is theres some hard feelings right now personally between durbin, graham, tom cotton, some people at the white house thats really raw. So that nobodys in the mood to be very compromising. Chuck todd, thank you for calling in. Were trying to call these shots as we see them just as you are. And we appreciate it. Casey hunt has been inside the Senate Chamber for about the last hour or so. And shes joined us on camera outside. Casey, tell us from what you saw from your Vantage Point and what you know of whats going on. Reporter brian, ive got to tell you moments like this so very rare. Theres also a lot of people on capitol hill whos been here for many decades longer than i have, and 911 of them said to me in 20, 25 years ive never seen anything like this where two leaders go off to a different room off the senate floor. Its almost been shuttle diplomacy, if you will. One person after another disappearing into the cloakroom of Chuck Schumer, as we literally watched this deal play out before our eyes. It started as a group in one corner that grew of these four or five senators and they started to crowd around. Word can pass through the senate a little bit like a passes through a high school cafeteria. I was just on the phone with one of the senators at the center of that huddle. So far that senator was not willing to tell me exactly what is on the table or how this is playing out, but this is very different than what we thought when we opened up this vote when we first started doing this. It seemed like the play from republicans is going to be okay, were going to put this on the floor, were going to dare them to do it. Democrats came out of a meeting they were holding, and they all came out saying, look, were unified. Were going to vote no. And now they proved it. Mitch mcconnell does not have the votes to do this. So were again seeing this play out in realtime. Its really quite remarkable. The debate seems to center still on a the length of time, a temporary length of time we can keep the government open. They were talking about, well, perhaps two weeks, three weeks. Republicans dont want to get caught up in the state of the union. But many people on the senate floor the have been talking about legal immigration. I have to tell you going into this, i mean all of the mechanics for messaging a shutdown were in place for democrats. This was something theyve been prepared, you know, when they walked out onto the floor. And now its been probably about an hour since this vote has opened. They were hoping this was going to be resolved by 11 00. The house notified its members tonight, hey, were going to give you an hours notice. That in theory could still give them time to get back and vote tonight if thats something they wanted to do. And you and chuck were just talking about this, i mean it has been a stumble towards a shutdown. And everybody involved from the white house to Mitch Mcconnell and leadership to this Bipartisan Group to Chuck Schumer and his democratic conference have all sort of stumbled at each other. I think many of the sides believing the others would not get to this point. And one thing that has become clear to me tonight is that there is a real, real desire to avoid a shutdown. And that was frankly not clear to me this morning. Both sides seemed if anything to be eager for one, brian. Casey hunt just off the senate floor. Casey, please check back in with us depending on what you see and who you talk to. Just to set the scene again for viewers just joining us, on the righthand side of your frame surrounded by three white House Democratic aides, thats Chuck Schumer. He was presented with a piece of paper, lets call it language hes going over and making additions and deletions to. Close to the center of the frame at the top is mcconnell and tom cotton of arkansas. Theyve been involved in a pretty intense conversation. And these are the kind of conversation groupings that have broken out on the senate floor. Theres tom cotton kind of looming over Mitch Mcconnell with cornyn of texas. Mcconnells deputy right there alongside. Jonathan lemere is here with us in our studio. Were fortunate to have him as he covers this white house for the Associated Press. Jonathan, it always strikes me no ones talking about the customers right about now. Because right about now in atlanta there is a cdc flu specialist who may be just learning of a new wave of flu, a virulent wave affecting children in one of our metropolitan areas. And kind of literally and figuratively at midnight they have to put their instruments and readings down. Theyre on furlough. Theyre off the job because of this, what were watching. Thats right. Obviously there are real world ramifications here. Whether its park rangers or someone needing a visa or as you say someone at the cdc. This is something that has really reinforced if the shutdown does go forward, especially if the shout down happening with the same Political Party in control of all branches of the government, its going to reinforce a deep cynicism is my fear across the nation. Of americans who are already sort of sick and tired of washington. This will make them feel like d. C. Is already that much more broken. Remember that was part of this president s appeal. He said two years ago now, that he was going to drain the swamp, he was going to change the regular order of washington. Weve seen tonight that has not happened. What about making deals . Right, the man who literally wrote the art of deal seems oddly hands off on this measure. On our reporting shortly before we came onair tonight, we know hes watching the results on the television in the white house. Which network hes watching is anyones guess. We know he has been making phone calls in the last few days mostly to republicans to talk about this, to urge agreement but to reassure them he wasnt going to give away the sword to democrats. He did make a big play today by bringing Chuck Schumer to the white house. In a small meeting today attended by four people, the president , senator schumer and each of their chief of staffs. Certainly no deal struck. And here we are now under a half an hour until we hit january 20th, the one Year Anniversary of this president s nomination, where he should be over ipmaralago where he should be receiving a glitzy galla to commemorate his one year in office and instead hes overseeing a Government Shutdown. Quoted the president as saying in effect this was going to ruin his party. Theres more than one meeting to that phrase. Obviously this led to the cancellation of this gala. But think about the larger symbolism. This is the inauguration anniversary right now. Right. Now, certainly its a political truism that your first year in office in many ways should be your best year, your most successful year. You come in with momentum. Its before people start thinking about the midterms. That has not been the case with this president whos been embroiled with controversies of his own making, had the russia probe dog him throughout this enti entire year. And there was some hope in the white house that some momentum could be bimt off of this, that the tax bill was going to lead to them getting the government funding and hopefully a successful state of the union and rolling out proposals following that including eventually their long awaited infrastructure plan. And instead what happened was we saw last week the president have this immigration meeting, a meeting if a deal had been reached there all this or likely this would have been avoided tonight. And instead it ended so acrimoniously its what drove the sides apart. And heres where we are now. Were studying the senate floor reading body language trying to see if theres anyway this government is going to stay open. We are reading body language. So our our friends at politico who pointed out schumer and graham just fist bumped. Interpret that as you will. We are left to observing the Leaders Within their own parties, who theyre talking to, how they appear to be talking. Jeff flake has taken a knee next to Chuck Schumer. Remember two things about this picture. Jeff flake doesnt have to worry about image as much. Hes not running for reelection so he maybe feels he can afford to take a knee as a republican senator from arizona. Next to the minority leader, the head of the democrats Chuck Schumer, we have seen Amy Klobuchar up and down the islands. Weve seen the senators from maine, and chris kumar from delaware. At the very bottom of your screen, he is listening to Lindsey Graham. Kind of a bipartisan gathering. Elizabeth warren is in on that bipartisan gathering of senators. Jonathan . Sarah sanders, the White House Press secretary tweeted a few moments ago. Ill read it. It says democrats cant shutdown the booming economy. Are they co now so desperate theyll shutdown the government instead. And schumer shutdown. Even though republicans control all the branches of government, that this was going to be blamed on the democrats. And we know the president has been telling allies in recent days he feels the same way. We heard him mention it yesterday in pennsylvania before that event, and he believes truly that this is going to be their fault and not his. Its a president who shall we say is reluctant to sometimes take responsibility when things dont go well. The buck stops here, a sign thats not on his desk. But it shows you the political fight thats brewing over this is perhaps the Unrealistic Expectations of republicans that democrats are going to get to blame even though most polling suggests otherwise. Well, you make a great point there. And just for one more word on that we were just treated to a very interesting gathering of people. Nelson of florida, coons of delaware and flake and schumer. The kind of fellows when you take 150 people from 50 states, those kind of pairings take place ideally across party lines. But lets talk about what is called ownership of this in places Like Washington, d. C. Our own steve kornacki, our National Political correspondent is working nights with us here in the studio. And steve, you know, it is said this is a first in history. One Party Controls house, senate, white house. Why wouldnt they get the blame . Well, the reason would be an effective pr strategy to dump this back on the democrats, i guess. Yeah, lets take you through how this looks. Again, the votes open right now, so sttechnically this coul change. Youve got five democrats who broke with their party, four republicans who broke with their party, leaving the senate right now in this 5048 situation. It sets up two sort of parallel or conflicting aurlrguments her. We go to a shutdown, how theyre going to assess the blame, what you just said there. Republicans have sththe senate,e house, the trifecta. What the republicans will argue, though, if this is what the vote ends up looking like is the following. Theyll say, look, we had a bill to keep the government open for another month, to take care of the Childrens Health care thing and we passed it through it house and brought it to the senate. And theyll point to this number, and say look, we got 50 and if mcconnell were to vote in the next few minutes, 51. The only reason it got closed down is because the democrats insisted on a filibuster, on the 50 vote rule. The democrats will look at this map and theyll add another twist to it. Theyll say okay, theres 50 here. Theres a majority willing to keep it open but theres four republicans who voted no. The republicans only came up with 46 votes. So the republicans didnt have the votes to keep the government open because they couldnt even all agree on a plan to keep the government open. So you can see its going to go back and forth. Looking at these defections, two categories of republicans. You can see graham. Youre talking about flake right now talking on the floor. You can see there emerging a compromised role as this moves forward. Youve got paul and lee, theyve just had fis sophicphilosophica rejections. And you know doug jones story last month, dawnally, mccaskill, every single one of them from a trump state and every single one of them running for reelection in 2018. Thank you for laying that out for us. Robert costa, hes been in touch with the white house. Reporter i love your analysis of the senate floor. Ive been talking to my sources inside and around the white house saying whats going on. And they tell me right now that theyre in touch with the Senate Leadership when we see senator mcconnell or senator schumer step away is because theyre back channelling. Theyre talking to sources at the white house, telling the white house where things stand because theyre still talking on the senate floor. The white house wants to know if a shutdown is going to happen, they need to start alerting other agencies within the next 20 minutes. But the scene is on the senate floor. Can they do something to extend it either for three weeks, four weeks or three days . Im watching schumer now kneeing but this time next to durbin of illinois. Again for flake if party lines matter, hes over in Enemy Territory. Hes over on the democratic side and talking to dick durbin. Lindsey graham continues to hold at the bottom of the screen. You see doug jones, Elizabeth Warren, senator portman looming over the conversation over the shoulder of chris coons. Sara murray, thats an interesting conversation group. So this is where we are. David jolly, former gop member of the house from the state of florida. David, i cant wait to hear from you on what you make of this scene. Listen, brian, were there. Were at a shutdown. Theres no way the house could actually pass anything thats different than what they sent to the senate. The only thing that might save them is if schumer and mcconnell are working on flipping ten votes. I think both bases have been served through this, and the Party Leaders know they have catered to their base in going up to this brink. The question is what does history hold . Because these shutdowns, ive been through 20 years of them, they do not take a linear jump. We remember gingrich complaining about being in the back of it plane. In 13 we remember cruise and his crusade. Will it be that schumer decided to try to play hardball . That verdict is days away if they dont solve this within the next 20 minutes. And what do you tell the folks back home . If youre a republican, and this is true. Ive been in a situation where ive had to swallow the medicine and vote with democrats even though i lost fights. If youre saying the democrats didnt have anything to object to in the bill, they were upset about what it didnt include, if youre democrats you say this was our only leverage. We had to play hardball because republicans keep breaking their promises on daca. And for each one of their bases it works. It works fine. But for your low information voters going into 2018, nine months from now we dont know if its such a high stakes gamble. Diane feinstein next to her, but Mitch Mcconnell talking to corker and ed markey of massachusetts in front of them, klobuchar of minnesota. Sorry, the evening is already getting late. Its 11 44 p. M. Here on the east coast. At some point theyre probably going to turn on the microphones and were probably going to hear from the majority leader. We will endeavor to a great extent to bring you that the moment we hear audio from the senate floor. We dont have Live Streaming microphones. We dont have the ability to listen in on these conversations. You can bet everything we would love to listen in on that conversation for starters. And we do have a little theres been a breakup in the scrum as some of the republicans are going back to their side. So well see here. Jonathan lemere, you have a note before we have a member of congress we can talk to. Yeah, first of all the next moment of levity in perhaps what has been a stressful evening to this point. Gist noting that the white house is obviously watching with keen interest whats going on here. They have called a lid, which means we will not be seeing the president again this evening. Meaning he will not have a public event nor do we expect to see him on camera. However, they indicated there would be some sort of written statement coming at some point before the night is out. Im sure theyre waiting just like we are to see the results here this evening, to at least pass the midnight deadline or beyond if there is talk of ways to keep the money flowing for the government even in a shortterm fashion. Theres a recognition that tomorrow starts year two of the trump presidency, and this would be a sort of dark opening page to that chapter. As we continue our nfl analysis, our viewers will note that graham has now gone from the democrats over to now hes reporting to Mitch Mcconnell, the majority leader in the senate. And that conversation, you see the nucleus around it. That is getting the interest right now. Just beyond him seated is Chuck Schumer and the democrats. So we have reason to believe well hear something. Cant guarantee itll be good. Cant guarantee itll be bad, something in these next few minutes. In the meantime a member of the house has been kind enough to join us live. Congressman daniel killdy, democrat from michigan who voted against this continuing resolution in the house. Were coming up to midnight. We have a clock in the corner of the screen saying we have just over 12 minutes until this happens. You represent flint, michigan, when do you tell the people with jobs . I mean the real failure here, of course, is that we now have had for many months just a handful of weeks of funding for the federal government. And whats before us now is just another few weeks of certainty. We need a budget for the full year, and we need one that reflects the interests of the American People. And the real concern i have is that i think lost in all of this is that the bill that we sent over to the senate that they are now struggling with was a flawed bill because of the speaker decided to negotiate with some in the house. If he wanted to get to the votes in a manner that could create legislation that would pass the senate, he would not have been negotiating with the most extreme voices on the right. He would have talked to the rational center, the people who constitute the majority of the house. He would have been talking to some democrats. And i guarantee we could have put legislation together that dealt with chip, that dealt with daca, that dealt with pension protection, which is big issue with veterans, with some of those questions that we just want to see included. And we would have a bill that would have kept the government open, and hopefully one that would carry us through the end of the year, not just for the few weeks. Do you see any symbolism, congressman, this is the first year anverniversary of the inauguration . Its somewhat poetic, i think. But ironically in some ways its the fact that republicans in both the house and Senate Continue to take cues from a president who has no consistent message and no consistent policy. What i ask my republican colleagues to do is just ignore the president for a while, do the job you were sent here to do. We can send legislation to the president s desk. Hell sign it. We really should not be taking cues from a white house that doesnt know left from right or up from down or east from that not know left and right and east and west. It is frustrating seeing so many of my colleagues, becoming fulltime employees of donald j. Trump. Whats going on with the house . We are in recess, there is an attempt of adjourned. I am a few steps from the floor of the house, i am ready to go to work. We should take up a reasonable balance approach to keep the government opened and not weaponize the budget process. We ought to have a budget that carries us throughout the year. Congressman dan kildee, thank you for joining us just off the floor of the house. Jeff bennett has something for us at the white house. Reporter i am told the president is here at the white house watching this all play out on television. You can see that the lights are on at the residence behind me. I asked the white house official if the president himself is making calls to some of the senators we see here on the floor, this official could not say for sure. Look, john kelly, the president s chief of staff and mark shorts and myck mulvaney is doing the heavy lifting and the president is taking on a hand approach for this. I will point to what mulvaney says. He says that hes confident, you want optimistic at least that theyll arrive to a deal. Whatever they do before monday counts. If the Government Shutdown, it is important for it to open by monday that it would not be noticeable if it happens over the weekend. I will add that notice to watch this group of senators really engage in a conversation that we could find out shortly what it results in. Jeff, you are absolutely right. With our viewers, we are sorry for the graininess of the picture. We try to zoom into narrow in on the principles. You have lyndsey graham, thank you senate tv. Well go back to that picture when they give it to us. Lyndsey graham have been shoveling back and forth between the two caucuses. Republicans are on the bottom of your screen. Thats their side of the chamber. Lyndsey graham is over in the Chuck Schumer and friends area among democrats. Elizabeth warren just over Lyndsey Grahams shoulder has h been talking along with him. You can tell hes been looking up to his right and calling attention on the clock thats over the clerks chair and the president of the senate. We put conveniently that clock in the lower right hand part of your screen showing just over 6 minutes remaining until midnight. They must know they have something of a National Audience of concerned citizens. As i always say in politics, the American People are the customers and the bosses when you are in politics. We are all watching this as customers and their bosses, as the people who put all 100 members of this body into office. Jonath Jonathan Lamier remains with us, what have you been able to gather . Lyndsey graham was not going back and forth before the senate tonight. He was going back and forth between Mitch Mcconnells office and schumers office. Hes sort of the role here of negotiations going forward. I want to piggy back on jeffs point of whos leading the charge here from the white houses perspective of the negotiations how the president have not played much of a hands on role. In many ways people thought mike pence would be the one to the hill. He was a long time congressman and has a lot d a lot of Close Relationships there. He also had a sort of backseat role in this deal making decision sessions to keep the government going. Hes not everyone here tonight. Hes in the air on his way to the middle east for a trip. Hes very much not involved which goes to show sort of advocation of ownership in terms of the white house being in charge of this discussion. Look at lyndsey graham, they kind of lean into listen when Chuck Schumer talks. Klobachar is having a close conversation with schumer. Well keep an eye on this. The Associated Press is with us, darlene, i keep on referring to the calendar, we had this broadcast over the air for a little of the year. We repeat what day it was for the trumps administration, i wonder what it is going to be like when we say good evening, this is day 365 while we are here and again, for this president who are super aware of image and marketing, what will this mean this will be the enduring image of the one Year Anniversary. It is quite the image, is it . Yeah. The president is a person who portrays himself as the ultimate deal maker, right . As jonathan was alluding to a while ago he seems not to be very hands on here in the deal making part of this. He took a trip yesterday to pennsylvania, made some phone calls on air force one, talk ed to some house members and helped the house get over the hurdles they had in terms of passing the c. R. , it takes a little bit more than Chuck Schumer and you want to see the president sort of maybe call more republicans, more democrats together and get them in the room and try to hammer this out. You know here we are in sort of the 11th hour of this moment and we are towards a shutdown on the anniversary of his inauguration which is not a very good look. Darlene, we can underscore that. This looks like a crowd in a high school cafeteria. Pat leahy is still trying to say. If one of them can form a bridge to the other side and this could result in god forbid actual legislation, would that be something. Robert costa is standing by to talk to us. The good folks thats running cbs. Robert costa, imagine having a job hosting a show calls washington week. Robert, these days it seems Like Washington ten minutes. They keep on saying to me, we need more time, senator schumer and mcconnell were talking about something around the state of the union to have an extension around january 30th, they have not been able to settle something. The words inside the white house, inside the capital tonight, probably a shutdown but the talks are closed. Probably a shutdown but the talks are closed. Does that mean a one day or a three day, does that mean pizzas are brought in tonight and they keep at it . It means they keep at it and they may not have a short term c. R. , theyre trying to hammer something out before monday if they need to do a short term c. R. Senator flake knows he needs to get a promise from the president and some kind of votes from daca and protect the dreamers deportation. Where does that fits in on the deal. Thats what they are talking about. Robert costa, thanks, we advise you get to a large h. D. Flat screen tv looking at this in the middle of the u. S. Senate as the conversation goes back and forth. At times it is Elizabeth Warren and senator graham and we hear from senator schumer whos seated a the minority leader desk right there on the isle. We are as you can see coming up on 30 seconds away from this deadline. Members of the senate are acutely aware there is a giant clock on the wall staring at them. They acutely aware that we are coming up at midnight eastern time, we are all learning together if the leader senator mcconnell is going to have any plans to make comments here at the stroke of midnight. Here is your government, here is the United States senate as we come up on now five seconds to go until midnight and the Government Shutdown. When our digital clock clicks when the time elapses as soon as we get that running. The moment seems to have past without a sense of moment in the Senate Chamber, as it will affects some elements and employees of the federal government starting right now but it is not as an immediate matter affecting these lawmakers who are still in the middle of it. Jonathan and i are sitting in new york craning our necks to see whos speaking now and whos in on all these conversations, john n jonathan. Yes, i can read to you, the press secretary just put out a