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Enough, no more. Surrender to the snow. President obama delivered remarks today at the white house summit on countering violent extremism. He said he called the meeting because of the urgent threat from groups like al qaeda and isil. They propagate the notion that america and the west generally is at war with islam. Thats how they recruit. Theys how they try to radicalize young people. We must never accept the premise that they put forward, because it is a lie. Nor should we grant these terrorists the religious legitimacy that they seek. They are not religious leaders, theyre terrorists. [ applause ] and we are not at war with islam. [ applause ] we are at war with people who have perverted islam. No religion is responsible for terrorism. People are responsible for violence and terrorism. The president also spoke to what he called the reality that many muslims who do not support the Islamic State support the idea that islam is incompatible with modernity. The reality is that there is a strain of thought that doesnt embrace isils tactics, doesnt embrace violence, but does buy into the notion that the muslim world has suffered historic grievances. Sometimes thats accurate. Does buy into the belief that so many of the ills in the middle east flow from a history of colonialism or conspiracy. Does buy into the idea that islam is incompatible with modernity or tolerance, that its been polluted by western values. So those beliefs exist. En in some communities around the world, they are widespread. And so it makes individuals, especially young people who already may be disaffected or alienated, more ripe for radicalization. Muslim leaders need to do more to discredit the notion that our nation is here to suppress islam. Joining me now, a journalist and author of standing alone, an american womans struggle for the soul of islam. Former vermont governor howard dean and amon mohadene. You were at the president s speech. What was your reaction . I wanted to see whether this conference on violent extremism was going to address the issue of islam. I walked into the session and it was almost like an open house at our local mosque. There were folks there with names like muhammad, ahmed, you know, this was very much an issue about islam today, and i was happy to see that we discussed issues related to the religion. But at the end of the day, i still see a tap dance that were still doing as a nation about the issue of islamic extremism. You know, i felt really sad when i was there, because it was on this week, 12 years ago in 2002, 13 years ago, that we got the video that documented the murder of my colleague, daniel pearl at the wall street journal. When the murderers killed danny, they literally put a nave to his throat. And then they washed the blood from the floor and they laid their rugs down for prayer. What they did was believe, as many people do, that they were acting in the name of islam. The fact that 13 years later were still having this conversation about whether were at war with islam or whether were not, whether muslims are under attack or whether theyre not, reveals to me were still not dealing honestly with the very real issue of an ideology that was born of the last decades. Iman was born in 1979, the year the saudis put out this ideology that is wreaking so much havoc in the world. Lets listen to what bill oreilly said about the president s speech tonight. President obama is flat out wrong in not describing the terrorist threat accurately. Muslim fanatics want to kill us, and there are millions of them. Period. Amman . Take your time. Millions of them. Im not even going to respond to that. I dont want to get dragged into a conversation where hes citing numbers that he may have. Hes saying that there are millions of terrorists out there. Theres absolutely no evidence of millions of terrorists. I think you should address that question to bill oreilly to have him explain that number. What i can say to you is we cant conflate the issues that exist out there in the public. There are grievances against a lot of issues that come from the west. There are a lot of grievances against governments in the west. There are a lot of societal problems. Its important not to conflate all of these issues across the spectrum. This is what the president is trying to do. Hes trying to be delicate on a few issues. Its a fine line he has to walk. He cannot alienate some of the allies he wants to keep in this coalition. That is a political and diplomatic issue. Certainly the United States is going to rely on its allies in this fight, but at the same time, i understand why people are trying to say the president needs to be more aggressive in identifying these issues. What struck out to me in this speech by the president , we talked about so many of the issues, poverty, education, the ideology. But what thing that was omitted very blatantly is the consequences of so many of the wests policies in the middle east. So many of the governments they support. Its hard for ordinary people in the middle east who have grievances, who will look at the United States as a beacon of values and ideas, but see it so closely aligned with countries like saudi arabia, with countries like egypt. That has nothing to do with religion. That has to do with politics. That has to do with interests. And this is the big disconnect that the United States is having right now. Its trying to convince people in the world we are trying to do good, we want to do good, we can do good. But in the reality of the equation and the balance of Foreign Policy in the middle east, drones speak very loudly. The support of some of these regimes speak very loudly. The u. S. Involvement in iraq and afghanistan speak very loudly. And that you cannot just erase with a conference in d. C. That doesnt include all of the participants. Right before i came on your show, i was with the ambassador to the united nations, saying his country was not invited to attend this conference in d. C. How can a country like russia, or how can you completely go around the International System . How do you ignore things like the united nations, not invite them to be the leader on this issue . And russian intelligence was crucial to the case of the Boston Marathon bombing. Howard dean, the president had the chore today of explaining to the bill oreillies of the world why he doesnt have the word islamic in the title of the summit on violent extremism. I thought he did a very reasonable job of that. I thought it made perfect sense, and he made it very clear that this summit is about al qaeda and the Islamic State. But then he went on, i think, to make it very clear why hes not using these words the way bill oreilly wants him to. Its simple minded to say theres millions of muslim terrorists. Its not true. I looked at the history of the crusades. We didnt behave so well, us christians didnt behave so well either in those days. That was 1,000 years ago. What you have to do is having a single standard for all of humanity. Whats unacceptable in one part of the world is unacceptable in another part of the world. Obviously, what isis is doing is incredibly unacceptable. They are thugs. They are criminals. They are murderers. And i totally agree with the president. I wouldnt give them the dignity of having this associated with any kind of religion, and it isnt. Theres fundamentalism, theres harsh versions of all this. When people think of jim jones or david koresh, they dont say theyre christian terrorists. They were horrible people. Weve got to do better than this, and i think the president was 100 right. Weve got to separate the deeds, leave the religious arguments to religious people. It is true, and there was a very interesting article in the Atlantic Monthly in the last week or so, that some of the stuff isis is preaching you can find justification in the koran for it. But you can also find justification for all kinds of savagery in the bible. An eye for an eye, all these kinds of things. There may be a battle between islam and modernity, im on modernitys side. I dont think its about religion, its about expecting people to behave differently than they have for centuries, and we need to do what we can to hold up that expectation. That includes we do have to behave well in other countries, not just our own. You want to respond to that . Well, there are a series of countries i wish had come to the summit. I wish we had called them out on the extremist islamic views they put out in the world. They are second to the u. N. As a Governmental Agency out in the world. And ten years ago, they put a campaign into the world that said that they wanted to promote the true image of islam. One of the reasons why were having such a hard time dancing around this issue is because there is an entire lobby of these muslim countries that dont want us to talk about these very real issues that are in mosques, in sermons, in interpretations of the koran throughout the muslim world. And so those countries are very much part of the problem, because they want to make it seem as if we are asra, which countries are you talking about . The organization of islamic cooperation was started in the 60s by the countries with large muslim countries, including saudi arabia, iran, pakistan. And i can tell you that just today in pakistan, they are pushing for the u. N. To again try to mandate blasphemy laws so it becomes a crime to talk about issues of extremism or to defame islam. So this is really what were inheriting today. The debate on islam has been hijacked by this effort to try to promote a Public Relations campaign that, you know, puts forward islam in the best way possible, and then not deal with these very real issues. And to me, thats the real crisis that were facing today that here it is, 2015, and were still figuring out how to have this confidence. Were going to take a break, come back and discuss what the president talked about as the military component of this. Nexium 24hr. Its the purple pill. The 1 prescribed acid blocking brand. Available without a prescription for frequent heartburn. Get complete protection. Nexium level protectiontm. Colourists know roots take colour one way, and previously coloured hair another. New Vidal Sassoon salonist. First, brush roots then, blend through lengths. Our most advanced system outside the salon. In thinks speech today, the president made only passing reference to what he called the military component of fighting violent extremism. Heres Richard Engel with the latest on how thats going. Reporter isis is spreading like a virus. And months of u. S. Led air strikes dont seem to be containing it. In libya, isis has been showing its strength. The group beheaded 21 egyptian christians. One of the executioners speaking in english with an american accent. Recently, you have seen us on the hills. Reporter egypt hit back with its own air strikes. Isis says italy will be next. Security has already been beefed up at st. Peters. But the biggest advances and reportedly the worst atrocities have come where washington claims to be making the most progress in iraq, which is starting to look like a failed state. If the north, we saw firsthand last week how Kurdish Forces have been under attack. Today, near the city of irbil, they turned back a major isis assault. In central iraq, where isis captured the town of al baghdadi, iraqi officials claim as many as 48 of their fighters were burned alive by militants. Its unconfirmed by u. S. Officials, but it reportedly happened just five miles from a base where hundreds of u. S. Marines are deployed as advisers. But why the spread . Isis is moving into all the cracks in the middle east. The unresolved conflicts in iraq, libya, the sinai, syria, and gaza. This is not a problem that can be droned away. The isis virus is consuming the middle east, infecting europe, and showing no sign of stopping there. Richard engel, nbc news. I just dont see what the plan is. Well, i think a military plan, i just dont see it. We know from American Military officers who are publicly stated there is no military end to this operation. This is not going to be won on a battlefield. The u. S. Militarily can contain isis and degrade its leadership and destroy weapons depots. But when youre fighting an ideology, bombs dont destroy an ideology. There has to be a new approach to combat the ideology. You have to do that by reforming these societies, trying to put pressure on them to create more political plurality, only to drain that reservoir that exists to ripe for isis. But dropping bombs on pickup trucks, it will be refilled within days. You kill the leader of isis, youll have somebody more hard core that the one thats in place. If you take a look at the span of the last 13 years, we went to war in afghanistan in 2001, al qaeda was pretty much localized in afghanistan. Concentrated in afghanistan. 13, 14 years later, we have not only al qaeda in libya and in the western part of africa and in yemen, we also have isis in iraq, in libya and northern sinai. The military solution or the option of this dealing with every problem militarily is not going to work in the long run. Howard dean, our military tactics have been a failure, a mistake, as the iraq war was mistake in its entirety. Yet washington keeps going back to military tactics. I think the iraq war, had it not been for the iraq war, we wouldnt be looking at this right now. This is about failed states and filling in the cracks. I think i have some disagreement, though, the military option is important and heres why. One of the reasons that isis is attracting young, disaffected people is because they appear to be winning. As soon as they appear to be losing, and i think what happened when the jordanian pilot was burned was critical. For the first time. Imans in the middle east began to condemn isis as unislamic. As soon as these guys this is why what the president said is right. They need to be called out as losers and criminals, not as some sort of islamic jihadist heroes. This is a group of people that are attracted by winners, and theyre not going to be attracted to losers. Asra, what is your view of the military component of the fight against the Islamic State. Just one point, i dont think we have this dichotomy of calling them heroes or zeros. Theres a nuanced place we can have this conversation, and that is acknowledging the ideology that is fueling this movement. In that way, our military strategists need to be studying the apocalyptic eschatology or end times strategy of the Islamic State. What theyre going to do now is try to sweep into damascus. Thats what the end times for muslims declares is going to happen. I as a liberal muslim do not believe it, but at the grand mosque in damascus, they believe jesus will pray behind the messiah of the muslims and the army will march down to jerusalem and claim dome of the rock. This is a grand plan that they believe will be executed and all of these grievances simply feed their idea of what the apocalyptic scenario will look like. So the solution must be a very strategic one that may have to include military options. Thank you for joining me tonight. Howard dean is going to stick around. Coming up, Eddie Ray Rouths sister and his former girlfriend both testified in texas today. 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The sister said, he started talking and things he was saying i knew he wasnt himself. He was talking about pigs sucking his soul. That was one thing that stood out to me, because that was bizarre. I knew he wasnt quite right. He said he killed two guys. I said, what do you mean you killed two people . I really didnt believe him, because he said crazy stuff before. I mean, he never said that, but i just didnt believe him because he wasnt talking the way he normally would. Eddie ray rouths former girlfriend told jurors eddie definitely had paranoia about the government out to get him. I asked him if he was seeing things. Joining me now is diana hunt, who was inside the courtroom today covering the trial for the dallas morning news, and michael snipes, a former judge and current criminal defense lawyer. Diana, the testimony these were defense witnesses called by the defense today, clearly trying to demonstrate by what they say that Eddie Ray Routh was saying on the day of the killing, that he was not in his right mind or any form of a right mind that day. Yes. They were very strong witnesses for the defense. He clearly had his condition had been deteriorating. He went from getting down on his knees and asking his gift to marrying him the night before to ordering her out of the house the next morning. He was feeling paranoid and disturbed and upset, and thats the way he headed off to glenn rose with chris kyle and chad littlefield. At another point in her testimony, his sister said, i looked in his eyes and i told him i love you but i hate your demons. And for a moment he was my little baby brother and he looked at me in his eyes and i could tell he needed me. But it was like it switched back so fast, that he became this person that i didnt know anymore. Michael snipes, i its obviously a very tough case for the defense. This may be the best they have. Well, its compelling testimony, but you have to understand the jury is going to know were talking about the sister of the defendant, and also the exgirlfriend and theyre going to understand theyre going to have to take this testimony with a grain of salt, because theyre trying to convince the jury that the defendant was insane. So theyll have to evaluate that part of the credibility. Judge snipes, just to make it clear, what is at stake here . You mentioned the other night that if hes found not guilty by reason of insanity, the judge will obviously sentence him in effect to a mental institution. What kind of institution is that . Is that, in effect, a prison . Well, its not a prison in the sense of having barbed wire fences and things of that sort, but its certainly a locked down facility. But the difference between a disposition in which a defendant is found not guilty by reason of insanity and in which they have life without parole is theres a possibility that they can get out one day. And diana hunt, it seems the jury isnt going to really know that distinction. In fact, the prosecutor in his Opening Statement kept using the phrase, for him to get away with this. He kept saying, the standard of proof that the defense is going to have to meet in order for him to get away with this, kept using that phrase, get away with it, as if he would just walk out the door. Right. The jury has been instructed that theyre not allowed to consider what the punishment might be or what might happen to him if hes found not guilty by reason of insanity, or if hes found guilty. Theyve been told not to consider what the punishment might be, that theyre only to determine whether he knowingly killed these two men, if he knew it was wrong when he did it. So theyre going to be prevented from thinking about that. I think its going to be very difficult for them to do that. Its not something its something they dont want to see somebody get away with something, but they may not know he would get treatment. Judge snipes, what about that language, get away with it. I was a little surprised there wasnt a defense objection to the use of that language in the Opening Statement. And there could have been, and were i the judge in this case, i would have sustained that. Although its not a terribly troubling comment, but the point is this, as i mentioned just a moment ago, you potentially, eventually the psychiatric experts and judicial authorities determined that your sanity has been regained, you could potentially get out. Its happened in other cases where defendants were found not guilty by reason of insanity. Diana hunt and judge michael snipes, thank you both for joining me tonight. Coming up, driving on icy roads can kill you. 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This truck skidding out. Missing other cars by just feet, and thats the danger, too. Swerving into traffic. Look at this car, spinning all over the road. Seconds later, an oncoming car smashes into it. This week, icy roads are wreaking havoc. We were driving, the car started spinning out of control. Reporter so what do you do if youre caught in a skid . Were in maryland at the especially designed ice driving course. There you go. Reporter our instructor, a former Police Officer and certified driving instructor. Oh, boy. That was 16 miles per hour. Reporter when we start driving again, i hit another patch of ice and make a classic mistake. The two worst things you can do, you jammed on the brake and jerked the wheel. Youre supposed to get off the brake, straighten the wheel and ride the skid out. Reporter it goes against conventional wisdom. I want to stop the car. Thats the worst thing you can do. Reporter flat roadways are dangerous enough covered in ice, but how about a hill . What if i start sliding backwards . Stay off the brake, look over your shoulder and steer to a safe location. Reporter important tips, especially this winter when the ice and snow just wont stop. Jeff rossen, nbc news, maryland. Coming up, jeb bush hired 21 advisers from his fathers and bothers administrations and then gave a speech, no doubt written by some of them, saying that he is his own man. Thats next. [coughing] dave, im sorry to interrupt. I gotta take a sick day tomorrow. Dads dont take sick days, dads take nyquil. The nighttime, sniffling sneezing, coughing aching, fever, best sleep with a cold medicine. If youre taking multiple medications does your mouth often feel dry . A dry mouth can be a side effect of many medications. But it can also lead to tooth decay and bad breath. Thats why theres biotene available as an oral rinse toothpaste, spray or gel. Biotene can provide soothing relief and it helps keep your mouth healthy too. 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Casey, you were at the speech today, and there were some echoes of old bush stuff there, including that little flub, the little verbal flub. His brother was noted for mangling a word here and there. Lawrence, that particular flub i think just showed that he clearly had iraq on the brain, and that was what a lot of people in the room were thinking about. He went on in the q and a to talk about the fact that he thought that there were mistakes made in the iraq war, but he didnt go so far as to really criticize his brother for invading the country or for what happened afterward. Instead, he says that the current vacuum that were seeing there with isis is actually because president obama didnt continue the surge policy that was implemented near the end of george w. Bushs second administration. So hes very clearly trying to walk a line that allows him to move past his brothers record in iraq, without actually criticizing him in an aggressive way. Lets listen to jeb bushs view of americas power in the world. The United States has an undiminished ability to shape events and build alliances of free people. We can project power and enforce peaceful stability in faroff areas of the globe. Howard dean, i cant think of a more shocking couple of sentences, the notion that the United States has an undiminished ability to shape events and build alliances around the world and has the power to enforce peaceful stability. Thats exactly what his brother proved we dont have. Right. This is very interesting speech. And i dont think i would have given this speech if i had been jeb bush. If problem he has here is that he is reminding everybody of the bush legacy in iraq. And i think theyre i mean, the notion that if obama had only done the surge more and sent more troops to iraq, somehow this would have gone away, that may play well in the right wing corners of the heritage foundation, but its not going to play on main street, especially the main streets which have given up soldiers to do that with second, third, fourth, fifth tours, a lot of ptsd, families broken up. I i i think this was not a good start. Lets listen to the i am my own man passage of this speech. As you might know, ive also been fortunate to have a father and a brother who helped shape americas Foreign Policy from the oval office. I recognize that as a result, my views are off be held up in comparison to theirs. I love my brother, i love my dad. I actually love my mother, as well. I hope thats okay. [ laughter ] and i admire their service to the nation and the difficult decisions that they had to make. But im my own man, and my views are shaped by my own thinking and my own experiences. Robert costa, how is that playing with republican primary voters and Republican Campaign contributors who are trying to who need to see now how jeb bush will be able to distinguish himself from his brother . I spoke today with several Top Republican donors and some close bush allies. I said what was the purpose of this speech . What was the message . Though bush was saying he is his own man, he was trying to signal when it comes to Foreign Policy, hes not so much george w. Bush, but more george h. W. Bush. He believes in Coalition Building and it was a pitch on temperament, that when it comes to how he would manage Foreign Policy, he would be more like his father. He believes that can play in a primary and general election. He also said hes very much in favor of Benjamin Netanyahu coming to address congress. Lets listen to that part. I for one am eager to hear what he has to say. Israel is not at the negotiation table with iran but has a lot at stake. I dont blame him for wanting to share his views and it will be important for the american people. Im surprised the administration is upset to hear from a close ally on such a sensitive topic. If we want to build confidence and trust of the american position, we have to listen. Foreign policy should be a place where our longterm security interests are front and center. And the political hacks should be doing the campaigns and staying there. Howard dean, i have to believe his father, who was a diplomat, would be before he was president , would be very much opposed to the way Benjamin Netanyahu has been invited to the white house. What im thinking of as i listened to that, its so ridiculous. President jeb bush is in the white house, nancy pelosi is speaker and invites the leader of the labor party in great party to come over and lecture president bush on his lack of proper social programs or Something Like that. This is an enormous gaffe, and its netanyahu is really clumsy. Hes just been i think hes done israel a lot of harm and hes done america and israeli relations a lot of harm. The best ways for the israelis to fix that is in march, hes got to stand for reelection. I hope the israelis get a new prime minister, because it will make things a lot better. When we come back, i want to go to robert costa on the question of how much of this was really aimed at rand paul, because Foreign Policy for republican primary voters is one of rand pauls real weak points. Well pick that up when we come back. And sleep like. The kids went to nanas house. For the whole weekend [ snoring ] [ male announcer ] zzzquil, the non habit forming sleep aid that helps you sleep easily and wake refreshed. Because sleep is a beautiful thing. Okay, you ready to go . I gotta go dad okay lets go go, go, go. Woah go right, go left, go left stop now go. shouting lets go i gotta go can i go . 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We have the latest poll out, a National Poll of the republican candidates with Mike Huckabee at the top at 16 . Jeb bush at 14 , rand paul 10 . Ben carson 8 . Chris christie at 7 and everyone far below that. Casey hunt, theres jeb bush looking at a National Poll where hes not on top. And again, it seems to me that hes got a pump stronger hand to play on Foreign Policy with republican primary voters than Mike Huckabee does who is on top of that poll. Lawrence, i think that one of the things, and you touched on this earlier with robert, is this speech sort of hit every single note of the sort of general republican platform on Foreign Policy, without being particularly inflammatory on any of them. So he sort of laid out his resume that was one point at a time, iran, isis, israel with the netanyahu point, where he talked about it in a very reasoned, measured way. But in a way that spoke directly to those primary voters. And i think that your point is a good one that in many ways huckabee will struggle on this front in a way that bush, while he does potentially have issues in a general election with his brothers legacy on iraq, is probably going to be safer in a nominating contest. Howard dean, the New York Times is reporting that we may have our first announced candidate on april 7. Rand paul is looking at that date to announce his president ial candidacy. Thats the beginning of a fundraising cycle in terms of the fec reporting that would have to be done. So we could be under way in april. I think we probably will be under way in april. Weve really been under way since jeb made it known he was definitely going to run and the dominos have been falling since. So away we go. Casey hunt, what are you hearing in bush world when they might formalize an announcement . I think you have to look at april in this broad context of being the beginning of a new fundraising quarter. I think youre starting to hear a lot of that from some of the other republican potential republican candidates that if it doesnt come in april, then you get into the mayjune time frame, then looking at the end oh of that second fundraising quarter. So much of this is driven by how they can make money and at what point it makes the most sense to do that. Casey hunt, howard dean and robert costa, thank you very much for joining me tonight. Coming up, if you buy or sell anything on craigslist, you need to know how to do that safely. A man who tried to buy an iphone on craigslist was murdered. That story is next. Et is never clear. But at t. Rowe price we can help guide your retirement savings. Our experience is one reason 100 of our Retirement Funds beat their 10year lipper averages. So wherever your longterm goals take you we can help you feel confident. 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If you use websites like craigslist to buy and sell things, theres a new effort by some local Police Departments to stop this kind of crime and keep you safe. Nbc news correspondent Gabe Gutierrez explains how. Reporter it can be quick and easy. But police say doing business on websites like craigslist can also be dangerous. Just last week in georgia, 21yearold College Student james jones, jr. Was robbed and killed. Investigators say he responded to a craigslist ad for an iphone 6. Its sad to know that people would do Something Like that over an iphone. Reporter in january, police say a georgia couple was murdered after driving to a secluded location to buy a classic car listed on craigslist. Crimes like these have Police Taking action. Theyre now asking buyers and sellers on craigslist and other sites to do business right here at their local police station. The transaction initiative is about using those transactions away from those secluded areas and bringing it here to a public place. Reporter you need to call ahead to make sure an officer be there, but the chief says he doesnt expect the service to cost his department any extra manpower. If somebody is trying to rip you off, its harder to do here. Well, sure. Typically a bad guy doesnt want to transact a bad business in a police department. Reporter its a growing trend. More and more departments across the nation are doing it, too. In south florida, the Sheriffs Office launched its safe spot last summer. If youre committed to craigslist or any place where youre dealing with a person for the first time and trying to do a transaction, i dont know of any better way to do this. Reporter craigslist did not respond to our request for a comment, but the website says users should use a Public Meeting place and bring a friend along. No matter what your profit is or that product is that you may want to have, its not worth getting hurt. Reporter with police watching, its an idea they hope will be easy for the public to buy. Gabe gutierrez, nbc news, woodstock, georgia. Oh, brother. Lets play hardball. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews up in new york. Jeb bush took the first big step to the white house today. He did so by stepping away from his father and, most important, his brothers presidencies. I admire the difficult decisions they had to make but im my own man. Im my own man. But look who he has on his Foreign Policy team. He has james baker, a realist, but also guess who else, Steven Hadley and Paul Wolfowitz who