Embassy in the u. S. We havent heard back. Ill let you know if we do. Watch this space. That does it for us tonight. Now its time for the last word with lawrence odonnell. Good evening. Good evening. I know you know the president s big idea in his meeting today with some of the survivors and some of the families of victims of School Shootings was that teachers should have guns, we need more guns in the school, teachers should have them. Ill be joined by a teacher at Stoneman Douglas high school and a teacher from columbine, theyll talk to us about the experience with the assault weapons in their schools and what they might be able to do with f they had gones. Well done. Thanks, lawrence. Yesterday when pressed if the president had any ideas of his own to make schools safer, the press secretary had no answer. And when asked if they favor newt begin grijs idea to have teachers have guns, the press secretary had no idea. She said she never discussed that with the president. Now we know the answer to that question. Its called concealed carry. It works where you have people adept at using firearms, which you have many. It would be teachers, and coaches, if the coach had a firearm in his locker when he ran at this guy, that coach was very brave, saved a lot of lives i suspect. But if he had a firearm he wouldnt have had to run, that would have been the end of it. That would have been the end of it. Thats Donald Trumps imagining of what might have been if one of the coaches at marjory Stoneman Douglas had a gun last week, a handgun, when the bullets started flying. If he had a firearm, he wouldnt have to run, he would have shot. And that would have been the end of it. We dont know which coach donald trump was talking about, because he does not know the names of the three School Personnel and the 14 students who were murdered last week. Those names were not on the short list of talking points that the president held in his hand during that meeting. The president might be talking about aaron feis, who was an assistant football coach, he ran toward the sound of the gun fire, his wife and daughter wilburry him tomorrow. He was 37 years old. Or the president might have been talking about christopher hick son, the L Athletic Department head and wrestling coach, he leaves behind his wife and four children, he was 49 years old. Or the president could have been talking about 35yearold scott beigel a teacher and track coach. He stayed in his classroom protecting his students, and thats where he was skilled. And several of his students said that scott beigel personally saved their lives. If he only had a gun. Thats what the president thinks. If one of those coaches had a gun, the president believes he would have fired that gun and that would have been the end of it. Thats the way this fantasy war game plays out for everyone who thinks its a good idea to give teachers an extra job, the extra job nobody suggests they get paid for, the job of Police Officer. The people who suggest that, all ignore there was a Police Officer at the school and its a very Big High School with multiple buildings, over 3000 students and a Police Officer assigned to the school every day. And that Police Officer did his best, it didnt turn out to be as easy as donald trump imagined. The Police Officers hearing has to be perfect. It has to tell him where the shooting is coming from, he cant be faked out by echos. He has to go right to the shots where the shots are coming from and stand there and aim his hand begun at the shooter with the assault weapon. And then just kill the shooter. And Donald Trumps world, to do that, the teacher, the Police Officer with the gun, has to be very, very lucky. The shooter would have to allow him to do it. The shooter would have to decide not to fire his assault weapon at the teacher with the gun or the teacher would have to be lucky enough to come up behind the shooter with the assault weapon and the teacher would have to be lucky enough that theres absolutely no one else in their space that the shooter and the teacher are alone in a hallway or classroom. So when the teacher fires his hand begun, the only possible person hit is the shooter. There cant be dozens of students huddled on the floor behind the shooter, or dozens of students or teachers running away from the shooter because all of them could be hit by the teachers bullets. Simple minds imagine the ideal scenario for their imagined hero to take down a shooter with an assault weapon and high capacity magazines moving through hallways in a school. Of course, donald trump is naive enough to think that any teacher could handle this job of being the secret campus cop who always has the concealed handgun ready to go against the assault weapon. This would be for people adept at handling a gun, and it would be its called concealed carry. Where a teacher would have had a concealed gun on them, theyd go for special training. So teacher training would not be enough for these teachers. They would have to go for special Firearms Training. Donald trump and republicans would be unwilling to pay pr that training. Donald trumps own budget cuts money for security. Republicans cut funding by a trillion and a half dollars with their tax cuts. They didnt leave any money for training teachers to use firearms in shootouts with mass murderers who have assault weapons. Thats a complex form of Firearms Training. Thats not going to a firearms range and aiming at the classic hanging target. That is more specializeded than the Firearms Training that most Police Officers in america actually get. Lets just assume that the teacher with a gun gets exactly the same amount of training with the Police Officer with the gun, and lets remember, thats taking time away from the rest of that teachers duties as a teacher to do that Firearms Training. But lets just assume that happens, we train teachers with firearms just as much as we train Police Officers. Heres something donald trump doesnt know, most bullets fired by trained Police Officers miss their targets most of the time. And they miss their targets by wide margins, for many reasons but mostly because the target isnt cooperating with being shot. The target isnt stationary, the target is moving. And theres no form of training and experience than going up against the mass murderers, theres no form of training that duplicates the emotional, psychological experience that a teacher would go through when going against an assault weapon that has already killed his students and is now aimed at the teacher, who is armed with a hand begun. Handgun. Teachers are not going to be more accurate in their used of handguns than trained Police Officers are. Teachers would miss the target probably more often than Police Officers do. Teachers would miss their target most of the time, just like Police Officers. And what would teachers hit . Donald trump would put teachers in the position of firing a handgun under unimaginable pressure and possibly killing one on or more of their own students in the process by mistake. And then would come the aftermath that the Police Departments are familiar with, wrongful death lawsuits, state and local governments payout hundreds of millions of dollars a year as compensation for bad shootings by trained Police Officers. Hundreds of millions of dollars. The federal government doesnt cover one penny of that. Donald trumps government is not going to cover one penny of any settlement involving a teacher mistakenly, tragically, shooting a student, wounding a student or killing a student or several students. Teachers will not be able to buy insurance policies that protect them from those risks, no Insurance Company would take that business. Donald trump doesnt know who teachers are, he doesnt know what they actually do. Hes never been a teacher, not related to a teacher. Its not the type of work his kids would ever be drawn to. By all reports he never paid any attention at all to his own kids education. Donald trump does not know that 76 of american schoolteachers are female. 76 . Some schools have 100 female teaching staff. Donald trump imagines that every school has big strong coaches and theyre all eager to conceal a hand begun so they can take on the next School Shooter with an ar15. Heres how donald trump thinks teachers should go to school with a handgun. Lets say you have 20 of your teaching force, thats the number. 20 , thats 700,000 teachers in america who need to go to School Tomorrow with a concealed handgun because according to donald trump all they have to do is shoot the guy, because its always a guy with the assault weapon, and that would be the end of it. Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school has about 140 teachers, coachers, administrators, so that means 28 of them would have to show up to work every day carrying their concealed handguns. 28 of them would have to be ready to run toward the sound of the assault weapon and, of course, each one of those 28 teachers with their handguns would have to always know the exact movements of the other 27 teachers with their handguns so they dont fire in such a way that they could shoot each other. They would have to know where each of those 28 handguns are every second so that students dont get caught in the cross fire of those 28 handguns that donald trump imagines could have been fired at that shooter last week. Usually when Police Officers respond to shooting incidents like that, they dont immediately run into the building and run toward the sound of the assault weapon. They coordinate, they have radio communication, they try not to make a move without knowing what every other armed Police Officer is doing, without know r where every other Police Officer is, theyre covered in body armor and even covered in body armor, they dont immediately confront the shooter. Youre not going to want to be the teacher running around the school with a handgun when the s. W. A. T. Team enters that school looking for the mass murderer. Theres a real risk that the teachers with the handgun would be shot by the s. W. A. T. Team who dont know that those teachers are the good guys. The president obviously doesnt know what hes talking about. He didnt meet with some survivors and parents and victims of School Shootings today to find a solution to the mass murder epidemic. He went in with written talking points written for him and he echoed those points. The idea of teachers carrying guns is another smoke screen by another politician who wants to make sure that mass murderers can easily obtain assault weapons and super sized magazines and unlimited amounts of ammunition. Donald trump wants to use the idea of teachers with guns as a solution, a real solution to the problem of School Shooters so that there would be no need to ban assault weapons now that teachers have guns. The president didnt say one word about assault weapons today, and that is the issue for most of the marjory Stoneman Douglas students who have been stepping up to microphones, including sam zeif, who was at the meeting with the president today. I dont understand why i can still go in a store and buy a weapon of war. An ar. I was reading today that a person 20 years old walked into a store and bought an ar15 in 5 minutes with an expired id. How is it that easy to buy this type of weapon . How do we not stop this after columbine, after sandy hook. Im sitting with a mother who lost her son. Its still happening. In australia there was a shooting at a school in 1999. You know after that, they took a lot of ideas, put legislation together, and they stopped it. Can anyone here guess how many shootings there have been in the schools since then in australia . Zero. We need to do something. Thats why were here. Fox news doesnt cover what happened in australia, so thats probably the very first time that donald trump heard that. Even some people who own ar15s have changed their minds this week about those weapons. There are youtube videos of owners of ar15s destroying them, cutting them in half and saying proudly now we have one less a rod rosensteir15. Thats what the massacre did to them to change their mind. Not one republican has changed their position on assault weapons. Not one position who takes money from the nra, like florida senator marco rubio changed their opinion on assault weapon. Donald trump and mike pence sitting in that room with victims have not changed their mind on assault weapons. And the only thing donald trump had was what to do when that assault weapon shows up at your school as it will if donald trump and the republicans get continue to get their way that assault weapons are so easy to get that most of our mass murderers walk into a store, by them legally, and fill up the magazines and start ripping apart the bodies and faces of our children in schools. Donald trumps idea is to do nothing. To keep the the assault weapon out of the school, to keep the assault weapon out of the hands of a mass murderer who can pass a background check, his solution is to put a much weaker and inaccurate handgun into the hands of the teacher who he thinks can stand there and shoot the mass murderer and that will be the end of it. Donald trump and every other politician who take money from the nra is going to make sure that the mass murderers who enter our schools will still be the best equipped mass murderers in the world. They will still be able to get assault weapons, super sized magazines and unlimited amounts of ammunitions. Weapons of war will continue to come into our schools because donald trump and republican politicians refuse to restore the assault weapons ban that for 10 years in this country actually did reduce Mass Shootings in america. Two teachers who have endured these attacks will join us next. One from marjory Stoneman Douglas high, and one from columbine high school. Liberty mutual stood with me when this guy got a flat tire in the middle of the night. Hold on dad. Liberty did what . Yeah, Liberty Mutual 24hour roadside assistance helped him to fix his flat so he could get home safely. My dad says our insurance doesnt have that. Dont worry i know what a lug wrench is, dad. Is this a lug wrench . Maybe . You can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. Liberty stands with you™. Liberty mutual insurance. In maryland, they have proven that the Second Amendment does not protect these types of weapons. They have banned over 45 different kinds of assault weapons, including the ar. The Second Amendment, i believe, was for defense and i fully respect that, like i said. But these these are not weapons of defense. These are weapons of war. That was sam zeif student at marjory Stoneman Douglas high school today. Joining us now is a Science Teacher and marjory Stoneman Douglas and paula reed, a teacher at columbine high school, shes been a teacher there since 1996. Shawn simpson, i want to start with you. Feel free, i mean this to both of you, to share any thoughts you have about this, i dont mean to control what you have to say about this, but we are interested in your reaction to the president s idea of Arming Teachers, that thats the solution, thats how to deal with assault weapons coming into the schools, senator rubio, Florida Republican senator, has opposed that. It has not been greeted with any real support since the president said it so it doesnt sound like its going anywhere. But shawn simpson, your reaction to that, especially since he cited the coach, not sure which coach since three were killed at your school, the president believes if one of them had a gun, it would have ended right there. Larry, i dont know if thats even possible, to be true. I know aaron and christopher and mr. Biegel were heroes in what they did. Im not sure having a firearm would have changed that for those three. I have colleagues that do believe that having the option of being armed should be, you know, an option. That being said, you were right when i heard you say in your opening monologue, i guess it would be, that officer peterson was there, he got there quickly, and facing an assault weapon with his bullet proof vest and his gun he didnt really stand a chance. Ive seen people on the internet go after him saying he should have done more. I dont know what those people are thinking, going up against a semiautomatic rifle and a young man that i believe let off about 150 rounds, im not sure what he could have done more than he did. We had a similar situation. Go ahead. Could somebody else we also had an armed sro, the same thing. So at columbine, there was an armed officer in the school when this was going on . He was on the outside of the building. He was out at lunch, but he was generally part of he was a School Resource officer, he was there every day. He exchanged fire with eric outside the school. And mr. Simpson, the students who have been stepping up to the microphone from your school are in favor of banning assault weapons to going back at a minimum the assault weapons ban that we had had for ten years that did reduce this kind of shooting, but the Florida Legislature certainly wasnt listening to them this week. What do you expect your students reaction to be given that they had a setback on it this week . What do you expect to be their continued pursuit of that . Well, our students are intelligent. You can tell that. Youve listened to them. I dont believe they expected a win right out of the gate. But that msd strong, that never again that they are saying, they believe that. They believe that wholeheartedly. And i know that theyre not going to give up. I know that these kids will be the champions of this issue. Theyre not going to give up. They have the drive, they have the intelligence, and they have the will to get this changed. You know, the first step is going to be addressing the weapons. Yes, we have Mental Health issues that have to be dealt with, ill give you that, thats fine. But the fact that the weapon is so easy to come about that anybody can get their hand osit, thats the main problem. Why does somebody need a weapon that has a 30round magazine . Why do you have to have a weapon that can thats only designed to kill. That round is not really designed for hunting. Its designed to kill. Its designed to enter the body, tumble and rip you apart. Thats what its designed to do. Thats not a weapon thats used for hunting deer. And if you need 30 rounds to shoot a deer, you should find another hobby because you know thats youre not good. There are hobbies i would love to try that i cant do. I think the other thing, you know, as you were talking about trumps solution to this and arming students, i think teachers. And sean you probably notice this, we Teach High School kids. When it comes to brain development, students are impulsive. You can talk about concealed carry, but i dont wear the kind of clothing to work that is good for concealing a gun. So a kid is going to know that i have one. If i take an angry 17yearold who was not armed and give him access to a weapon by overpowering me if im not expecting it, then we just created a situation that didnt have to be there. So i look at that as a potential way to arm students who wouldnt have been. Paula reed, given your experience with what many of us remember as the first in what has become the series of these, columbine, if you were at the white house today with your decades of having decades ago experienced this and watching the rest of these and thinking about it, what would you have told the president today . I would have told him to spend some time in a Public High School and to see what our daytoday lives are like. And what a school day is like. And all the myriad different ways that things can go wrong but that we generally handle things. I think its appalling and you know i know a lot of people think of us as the first. We were not the first. And we remember, acutely, jones borrow, and springfield, oregon and the people that came before us. This has been going on a lot longer and the unwillingness to do anything. Its so sad because i went and spoke with teachers from sandy hook six weeks after their shootings and the people said this is going to make a difference, though, isnt it . I said, no, its not. The nra is going to win and nothing is going to happen because of this. And people thought i was jaded. Oh, they said, its babies. Itll make a difference that its little babies. No, they didnt have a voice. Thats the problem. I think the kids that are speaking now are going to make a difference. I think when people start hearing kids in their own voices demanded change and talking about what happened to them, i think this is going to be really powerful. And i dont think that our kids, in 99, i dont think it even occurred to them that they had that kind of power. Im just im in awe of those kids in florida. Good on them, you know. Sean simpson, go ahead. I think the fact that your children were smaller made a difference. I think the fact our kids are old enough to articulate their opinions. Theyre right at voting age. A lot of kids are going to be voting in this election or soon thereafter. Their voice is going to be heard. Those 70 i believe it was 70 representatives that voted not to even listen, i think they should be worried. I think they should be really worried. Because these kids are going to move the bar. I think these kids, and some parents because i know some people who were staunch republicans who were friends of mine, weve had this discussion, theyre saying, well, we probably dont need this weapon. Theres no reason for it. I can hunt with a bolt action rifle that i have to actually, you know, manipulate or i can hunt with something else. And there are other ones, other people like no, i want my assault weapon. And you ask why, because i can, its the Second Amendment. And then you ask them, ive asked this, i read this thing im not from this country, so i had to look back at the stuff when i wanted to have a decent argument and i said what part of a well regulated militia are you . They cant answer that. We have to defend ourselves against a government. One platoon of an army, navy marines could take out an entire city of people with an ar15, so thats nonsense. They want their guns to say they have them. Its sad we cant move past their big boy toys they want. Some of it is that. I will say, i know some of my students who were at columbine during the shootings are very, very progun. And theyre coming from the point of view of they were trapped, unarmed against an armed intruder. But but its a high school. Youre not going to have a weapon in a high school. Right. The fact were talking about Arming Teachers is one thing. I understand youre not comfortable carrying. I have a friend that was in that hallway. He got grazed by a bullet saving kids. As a matter of fact, he found shrapnel, he found a piece of shrapnel in his hip the day after he didnt tell anybody, he took it out, cleaned it up and went around his business. That man saved lives. And he feels if he had a weapon he could have ended it while he was reloading. Thats possible. No teacher ive spoken to said we can go out and actively hunt this shooter. I think more of what theyre thinking is if theyre in this room and this gentleman enters, they at least have something to defend themselves. I have colleagues who feel the same way. I know that not everybody wants to be armed, but some do. And you have to after going through it, i can understand why. I was probably 3 or 400 feet away. I heard the shots when i was evacuating and saw the look on my childrens faces running towards me saying theyre shooting at us. I would not have run towards that semiautomatic gun fire with a weapon, but i definitely, if i was stuck in my room could defend that entrance to somebody coming through. Right. So i understand. I understand that some will not want to. I understand some will. Its its a hard issue do you ever worry that but the big issue is to get rid of them. Sean wimpssimpson, before we what do you plan to tell your students when they come back to school . Honestly, i dont know. I have colleagues that are not ready to go back. Were supposed to report on friday, i have colleagues that are not ready to go back. Ive students that ive seen that are not ready to go back. But were going back on friday, well see how it goes. I dont know what ill say to them. Some have been writing to them on facebook, instagram saying hi, how are you doing, im glad you made it. I have kids that have reached out from 2004 that have, you know, said theyre thinking about me. Kids i didnt know still liked me. One said he obviously didnt but now hes still praying for me. So that was nice. You know, but i dont know what to tell them. I honestly dont. Im going to be there. I had the same fear that they did running through those hallways and trying to escape out of the back fence. We shared a terrifying experience together and hopefully being together, talking about it, i wont be teaching chemistry, Environmental Science when they go back, thats for sure. Thats not going to happen for a while sean. But i can have a conversation. I private messaged you on facebook. Ive done that first day back, so if you want to talk before you do it, im here. Okay. We have to leave it there, sean simpson and paula reed. Thank you both for joining us. Im very, very sorry for what you both had to go through in a job that should be one of the most peaceful jobs that you can pursue. Thank you for your time. Coming up tonight we have major developments in the special prosecutor investigation and why one former associate is now very, very worried about trump attorney Michael Cohen. Its time for the ultimate sleep number event on the only bed that adjusts on both sides to your ideal comfort, your sleep number setting. Does your bed do that . Right now, save 50 on the ultimate limited edition bed. Ends sunday. Visit sleepnumber. Com for a store near you. I accept i dont i even accept i i used thave a higher risk of stroke due to afib, a type of irregular heartbeat not caused by a heart valve problem. But no matter where i ride, i go for my best. So if theres Something Better than warfarin, ill go for that too. Eliquis. 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Nbc news is reporting tonight that former political adviser sam nunberg is scheduled to meet with a member of the special Prosecutors Team in washington tomorrow according to a source. Heres what he told ari melber last night about trumps personal lawyer, Michael Cohen. I worry about michael. Im not going to say michael is going to lie. Michael cohen got screwed the most i saw by anyone, by donald trump. And what i worry about is what michael is going to say when hes called in by somebody like Andrew Weissman. Joining us now is harry litman. The last thing that sam nunberg was saying was he was worried about what Michael Cohen is going to say when hes called in by somebody like Andrew Weissman about the payouts. That sounds like hes talking about the Stormy Daniels payout to not say anything about her sexual relationship with donald trump and possibly other payouts, and theres been speculation that Robert Mueller would be interested in that. Whats your reading of that . Why wouldnt he be. There does seem to be a series of them. Sam nunberg is kind of a charming rogue here and hes on record saying its a den of thieves, everybody lies about everything, but cohen obviously everything he has said about Stormy Daniels and others has had a fishy smell to high heaven. And hes going to be very hard pressed. You know, mueller just remember di indicted a lawyer, alex van der zwaan for lying and serving notice that lawyers like cohen, like don mcgahn may well be in trouble if they lie to him. But cohen seems to have been the bag man for these sorts of things for many years and hes got a lot to tell if he chooses to. I can imagine how much fun it is in the special prosecutor offices to see sam nunberg on tv yesterday saying Something Like that and now they get to question him about Something Like that. Harry litman thank you for joining us. Coming up, john kelly and Jared Kushner on the security clearance dead lean. Theres a friday deadline on this problem. 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Number one, its certainly possible that Sarah Huckabee sanders is lying when she has said repeatedly the past couple of days that jareds functions and core duties will not change after friday. And that he, in fact, will no longer perform some of the Foreign Policy functions in his portfolio. The second possibility is john kellys memo was never intended to apply to jared in the first place and that john kelly has been making a farce of this memo all along. But the third i think is perhaps the most likely. And its that the white house would go above and beyond its usual level of disingenuousness and take advantage of an apparent loophole in the kelly memo. The kelly memo says that anyone whos investigation or security clearance adjudication has not begun, had not you know by june 1st, would lose his or her clearance. You have to remember it took jared four tries to submit his paperwork with the last submission taking place in june after that june 1st deadline. One reading of kellys decree is that jareds nighter his investigation nor certainly his adjudication began before that june 1st deadline. You can imagine that white house taking advantage of the loophole. Ned price for me has unlocked the mystery, thats what it sounds like to me. One thing hard to believe is john kelly has the authority and the power to control anything about Jared Kushner after a couple of weeks of humiliation of john kelly. Thats true. And its hard in any case when youre dealing with the president s soninlaw. This is why nepotism is not a good idea, because kushner cannot be held to the same standards as others. This would be an interesting indication of what the relatively power levels are. But im with you, it seems doubtful that kelly can trump kushner, so to speak, in any situation, much less now. And ned, when we read these quotes from unnamed sources, vanity fair, New York Times, about this power struggle and ev ivankas worried and jareds worried and kellys playing tough, these sources always have agendas. Its very hard for us to figure out just how significant that kind of talk is. It really is. And i think we have to remember that both ivanka and jared are very savvy and the people around them are very savvy. When you read that people close to ivanka and jared are people familiar with their thinking, you know thats coming directly from ivanka and jared. I dont think john kelly really benefits from that same media infrastructure and architecture around him. So it seems to me that ivanka and jared are running laps around john kelly in the press. And tuesday night, john kelly put out a statement. It seemed specifically to end this speculation. And that written statement he said, as i told jared days ago, i have full confidence in his ability to continue performing his duties in his Foreign Policy portfolio, including overseeing our Israeli Palestinian peace effort, serving as part of our relationship with mexico. He could put out that statement as long as certainly as long as he was relying on loophole ned price as identified in the other kelly memo about these clearances. I have to laugh about the idea of Jared Kushner being an integral part of some Foreign Policy team with his complete lack of knowledge or background in any relevant Foreign Policy areas. But yeah, that interpretation makes sense. The question i have is, and i havent seen a good answer to this, is what is the holdup . Why is it the president s soninlaw cannot get a security clearance . A process that normally takes a few months and there would be intense pressure to clear him but hes not getting cleared. What is the issue . Cnn reported a few days ago special counsel muellers investigating kushner not only for his connections with the russians but also with chinese investors as well as the russian banker he met during the transition in his mad scramble to get financing for 666 fifth avenue, his underwater building in new york city. It has to be something pretty darn significant to hold up the president s soninlaw for a year, right . And remember also, the other mystery here is trump could actually decide just to grant him a clearance tomorrow, a permanent clearance. He hasnt done that. Why isnt he doing that . Is he worried there will be some kind of damaging leak . Is he worried some Security Officials will quit . Theres so much we dont know here. Were going to have to end it there. Max boot and ned price. Ned, thank you, i think you did for me unlock the mystery of the memo. I think you found the loophole. Thank you both for joining us, really appreciate it. Well be right back. 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