To lead the cray doesnt matter. He is dying anyway. There was strong rejection of Kelly Saddlers compensates but not a single word from donald trump or the Trump White House. In a normal white house mocking a veteran over a cancer diagnosis piet get you fired at the very least there would be a public apology. But the Trump White House is not a normal would you say. So instead we got this. Does the white house not think you need to condemn the remarks. Im not going to validate a leak one way or the other out of an internal staff meeting. Are you saying she didnt say it. Im not validating a leak out of an internal staff meeting one way or another. Why not apologize to mccain. Im not getting into a back and forth people want to create issues of leaked staff meeting. Does kelly stadleer work at the white house. She does yes. More broadly does the president set the tone . Does he pare responsibility for the tone set here at the white house and all of the of aers working here frankly certainly does he has done a good job of laying out the priorities of the administration. So the Trump White House isnt denying the widely reported comments. And its not apologizing. Instead its aching the leak of the story to the media. Former Vice President joe biden had one of the strongest reactions. He released this statement. Quote people wondered when decency would hit rock bottom with this administration. It happened yesterday. Given the white house trail of disrespect toward johnen a others this staffer is not the exception to have rule. Megan mccain fired back at the statements this morning on the view. Kelly here is a little news flash this may be intense for 11 00 in the morning on a friday. But were all dying. Im dying. Youre dying were all dying. Yeah. And i want to say that since my dad has been diagnosed the past almost a year july 19th, i really feel like i understand the meaning of life. And it is not how how you die its how you live. Right. [ applause ] sflo and whatever you want to say in this kind of environment, the thing that surprises me most is i was talking about this with you joy, i dont understand what kind of environment you are working in when that would be acceptable and then you can come to work the next day and still have a job. Well apparently its an environment set by donald trump. Its no secret that donald trump and john mccain have a history of conflict. Donald trump said that john mccain, a man spending five years as a prisoner of war in vietnam where he was tor tort yurded regularly is not a war hero. The president who got five deferments from vietnam hasnt apologized. John mcmahon has stood up to donald trump more than any other republican. He turned over the Infamous Trump dossier to the fbi. A decision he describes in the upcoming book saying i did what duty demanded i do. Last summer john mccain cast the deciding vote to defendant the repeal the obamacare. Donald trump hasnt forthen about that. Except for one senator who came into a room at 3 00 in the morning and went like that we would have had health care two. We would have had health care two thing of that. Steve schmidt whom you see a lot on this new york. Ran senator john mccain 2008 president ial campaign and knows the senator well. Today on msnbc he describes what he sees as the difference between john mccain and donald trump. Megan mccain had it kmkt right. Its how you live your life opinion. And Kelly Saddler and all thepeople in that white house that are tearing down our institutions pitting american against american, theyre exactly the opposite of john mccain. He is the type of man that i would aspire and i think any parent in this country would aspire for their son to be like. And i dont think there is a lot of parents out in this country today who are saying i want my kid growing up like donald trump. One thing i know for sure there will never be a person on television, not now and not for a thousand ians that ever says what i just said about john mccain of donald trump. That he is a great man. He is a small and vial man and thats the difference between the two men. Joining us now Jonathan Alder msnbc plik willing analyst and columnist for dale beast. Malcom vance who taut members of the navy and marines how to survive this captured also mailboxes nbc counterterrorism and intelligence analyst. Susan, a republican strategist welcome to all three of you thank you for being here. Malcom i start with you because i started with you this morning when this was fresher news. And i had people tweeting me saying i havent seen malcom that angry. Last time you saw me angry was somebody insulting the kazir chan. Im an navy chief. I have long career and i come from a very, very old military family. Every father and son from the civil war until today. Wow. Including my niece just in combat off of yemen. Im a chief. My job as a chief is to make sure when i see something wrong that its recalibrated. Thats the phrase we use. I will not stand i wont have it for what i heard about john mccain. Ive met john campaign. I have taut students about his captivity. I said his did he brief when he came out of hand noy. I melt dpirl stack dale would come to our school and talk about being in the hand noy hilton. Doug heg dahl our adviser said this man served with honor. And to have them smear him, to come and actually use people who didnt serve people who think its a joke that he is dying, there will be buildings name after john mccain. Monuments after john mccain. But there wont be for any of these people and perhaps not even donald trump. Susan, Steve Schmidt also tweeted today he has been vocal about this. Of course. People who dont know john mccain about this are vocal. But say why have no republican as fors stepped forward and expressed outrage about this by a white house staffer its despicable is cowardis is nauseate zblag people dont have to say. John mccain engaged in debates with people willingly. I debated him others have. But his honor is not to be questioned. And the idea that you say that john mccain doesnt matter. Lets and what kind of spurred this on was john mccain saying he had a policy difference. Right. And did not want to support the current nominee for cia director. He is entitled to. He backed it up it wasnt personal at all he made a point of it exactly right. What i find amazing is how Kelly Saddler still has a jb. And i dont think it should have made its way up to the president. She is a midlevel staffer. General kelly should have called her in dismissed her. If he didnt this morning she should have caulked walked in and handed in the resignation. She is becoming on top of all of ignorance and poor judgment she is becoming a problem for this administration. So she should have been gone. But you know, donald trump said he was going to hire the best out there. This is what he considers the best . This is a disgrace. Jonathan, to use malcoms word recalibrate. I dont know if this rierz a resignation. It may have dealt with a recalibration. Were in the place where they are not acknowledging it was said. Unforced error you could could have gotten away with apology theyre not defying it. If theyre not defying then they need to issue this white house defies a lot of things. That often turn out to be true. Because they know the defile is not convincing and too many witnesses. The thing you have to understand is that this white house has elevated and validated shamelessness. And it started during the campaign when donald trump said i like people who werent captured. Right. And basically really dised john mccain. John mccain did not respond and trump got away with it. At a time when people thought he would at least take a big hit in the polls. He didnt suffer at all. The republican electorate didnt care. So that then emboldened the shamelessness. He realized he could attack mccain the despite his being a war hero and because of that worked he could attack him despite him dying of cancer. There is no point at which this man will have any shred of decency or convy a shred of decency in the white house. The fish rots from the head. Everybody in that white house takes their cues the way they treat people in the disrespect with which they treat people from the president of the United States. Susan, its interesting, because it won be a nice thing to say about anybody. Doesnt matter because theyre dying. Its uniquely unusual because of the disrespect the president has shone john campaign. Nicole wallace points out that what a lot of republicans have learned that john mccain can be a torn in peoples side. He stands on his principles. Its not a wing strategy. But donald trump has never followed that rule. He picks fights with john mccain a lot. He does. And again, i think jonathan was right. He doesnt suffer for it. I mean donald trump he sided with White Supremacists for crying out loud and didnt take a hit for it. And john mccain he will have his dignity. I would say that donald trump wouldnt have any but i dont think he or he lost it but i dont think he ever had it. And for him not to for him to continually go after senator mccain, especially knowing he was sick. Its not the first time he did it. Not the first time the white house did it. He has done it ever since. Megan skmaen called him out and he said ill hold back. But this is just, again, its gone too far. There is a danger to normizing this. It is. Right . We have it all served in the military. We generally think its something we respect. But people say over time we dont have the respect for it where is go on a long time you see the names of the fallen published in the newspaper from time to time. This really normalizes disrespect for the few things you shouldnt disrespect it does. It absolutely normalizes disrespect. You know, to the points they both made, there is a reason that were seeing this mob up attitude from Sarah Huckabee sanders talking about this is an internal meeting were not talking about leaks. The leak is not the biggest problem. Its a problem but. No its not a problem at all. Its a cover for what theyre doing. These are people thinking theyre playing the restaurant scene in good fellows with joe peshy and everybody and theyre the gang sitting around the table can do what they want and say what they want, insult who they want and public ritual humiliatation or using congress or allies to do that is the way they do it. This is the bottom line. They cannot cross this line again. If there is a military person in that building, especially you know all the meals are serve by navy chiefs. Let me tell you if i had been in that room or near that room i would have called a dressing down, one way conversation straight to their face. I dont care who else is in there. Because this line of honor look the building has been desecrated by these people. All right. For them to go after the honor of a man not just a dying inventory he is a real hero. Read what he did from a fivetime draft dodger. Im sorry i won have any of it. Jonathan, there are things of this administration would like us to follow up on and like to report and donald trump endlessly tweets we dont report on things. Its not true i think we report on everything. But these are the kind of things that take up the headlines because they do it to themselves and it goes to character. You know, i spent a lot of time with john mccain in 2000. And he day after day those of us on what they call the Straight Talk press, a small group of reporters it was really honestly the most fun ive had covering politics not just because he was hugely entertaining and he did take shots at people. Sure he does. But there was a sense of character and decency. This is a guy who got together when one of his big critics from the vietnam war and antiwar activist broadcasting against him from hanoi john mccain went to his bedside, held his hand, reconciled him just the opposite of what donald trump is doing now. If donald trump had a shred of character he would say, you know, john mccain and i weve had our innings, been on opposite sides of issues. I got upset with him over health care. But this is a great american. It would help trump politically to do that. But he is constitutionally in terms of his constitution incapable incapable because he is a person of poor character up against a person of fine character. And if you dont respect the white house like he doesnt respect that oval office how do you expect everyone else around you to show that same respect when the president doesnt . You know, john kasich tonight had compensates on this lets listen for a second. The compensates by a white house staffer in regard to john mccain were just outrageous, totally out of line. And frankly i think its incumbent on the white house to apologize not just for the staffer but for all the administration because john mccain is an american hero. And we need to recognize. He served his country well and paid a very high price. Susan, john kasich is not running any time soon he is a man of character im not surprised. Why is it to Steve Schmidts earlier point why is it difficult for republican senators to come out and be clear these are the colleagues. The only ones speaking up are those going out the. Reporter jeff flake commented today. There are a few. But theyre out the door. I as a republican am so frustrated because i want people to fight for Republican Values thats how they ran. Correct. Theyre not standing up to the president because of politics. Thats not which youre there. Be bold. Right. Lose an election. But do the right thing. And theyre not. And thats whats really when people say whats happening to the Republican Party . We dont have leaders any more. Because losing support for the doctor of the military for republicans is just that doesnt make any zbleens but you know, the military is not a praetorian guard. They do not protect the emperor. I have put my life on the line for every person in this country. Republican be democrat, independent i dont care. You a right to free speech and say what you want. But to sit in that room, either in the executive Office Building or the white house and to make a joke about that, right there, she should have either been as you said like fired on the spot i would have if anybody was of senior rank they shall have said im sorry you cant work in this building, a building with washington, lincoln all of the honors heroes, honored heroes who didnt avoid their duty to the country in war. But she is still there. And if she is there tomorrow this is going to remain a subject. Its the republican members of congress that i cant get over. They look so weak and kraven by keggi this position. They think theyre losing votes if they say this was wrong to say this about a dying man . They really think that . They are failing a character test of their own. Thank you to all of you jonathan, malcom, susan. As team trump are in damage control. Rudy giuliani lose his cool over avenatti and avenatti tweets another bread crumb about quo and financial dealing. 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During a phone call with business increaser giuliani said he wouldnt debate Michael Avenatti because avenatti is pitchering for money. Thats what he said i dont get involved with pitchers. The media gives him room because he makes round about charges and get had him nothing. I think he is getting in serious trouble. He goes on to tell business increaser that it wouldnt be fair i debate intelligent skilled people. Pointing ha alan derch wints. I know alan dershowitz. Knows alan dershowitz. It comes hours after avenatti tweeted this warning. Let this serve as formal notice there is more evidence and facts to come relating to mr. Cohens dealings and mr. Trumps knowledge and involvement. Can you come clean now or wait to be outed. Your choice. We have only just begun. Well some of that information may already be coming to light. The wall street journal reports that Michael Cohen made of an overtour to provide services to Ford Motor Company in january of 2017 but was quickly rebuffed. The journal reports that special Counsel Robert Mueller has taken an interest in cohens pretty much. Mr. Muellers team has requested information from ford about the outreach including emails and records and has interviewed fords head of government affairs. People familiar with the mattered said. And the daily beast is reporting that at t met with another group of the president s allies around the time it hired Michael Cohen. The company spoke with the Washington Lobbying Firm avenue strategies in early 2017 which was cofounded and staffed by Trump Campaign veterans and marketed its insight into and favor with the Trump White House. At t confirmed on friday. Ave was off the top of my headed bid Corey Lewandowski and Barry Bennett a Senior Adviser on the campaign. One source familiar says the they discussed a political appropriating that would not entail official lobbies and cost the company in the range of 40,000 per month. But no agreement was ever reached. Joining us now is jill wine banks, form former assist watergate prosecutor and back with us is jonathan alter. Jill, lets start with you. Im not a lawyer. I depend on you for these things. Its unclear as wreath what part of any of the transactions were illegal. But from what you know right now, what do you make of it . Well im going to put my money on avenatti and not giuliani and say that we need to finish the investigation. We cant tell whether there is something illegal unless the investigation goes forward. But where there is as much smoke as there is here there is probably a fire. And there is certainly a swamp. And ive never seen a burning swamp but this might be the one that is. Jonathan, what do you make of this . Do you think Michael Cohen was up to no good . Or do you think Michael Cohen is up to the American Dream, cashing in on the relationship it sounds like he was reaching out to ford. We know for at t he made the call. Seemed to be selling his services around town. If thats the american droem, the American Dream is in a lot of trouble. Speaking of the swamp, these guys are creatures from the black lagoon. They define swampish behave. You cant blame atennessee. They have a 108 billion merger on the lynn. And they were paying Michael Cohen one one hundred thousandth of that merger for influence that might help the merger go threw. So you can understand which they wanted to hire opheim. And you can understand why Michael Cohen wanted to take that lobbying money. But he didnt register as a lobbyist. There might be other ways he violated Campaign Finance rules. Now thats not the biggest thing in the world. But it gives mueller leverage more loench him. It gives mueller Something Else to push him for information on other parts of his relationship with trump. So even though this is not necessarily on its face criminal behavior it stinks a lot. And it might indicate that mueller has other information. So jill, take novartis out of it and novartis worried about Health Care Reform abat t worried with the merger with time warner warner. There was a Korean Company trying to get a defense contract and saying they were paying for accounting and Legal Services which is weird. But lets go to the Russian Company. They say its a American Company who is crow is a cousin of a viktor vexle burger and with ties. I work in russia for motor rolla. And nobody does business in business in russia without connections to putin. While you say these could be legal and they had business interests, its true they did. But then why hire someone who has no skills unless you plan to pass the money along to the president to influence him . So there is suspicion, no matter what. But its only suspicion. This is only coninject yur. We need the investigation to take it. The Russian Company is clearly strange we dont know what the business is. We have no idea. Or why theyre paying cohen. Why were they paying cohen he had nothing to offer but we dont know the business. I guess we just have it go ahead jonathan. I disagree with that a little bit. Its obvious which they were paying cohen. He is an influence peddler at this point or he was until the latest trouble. They were paying cohen so they had a line into the president. I dont think its reasonable even with the smelly vekselberg connection to assume right now that that money went from those Big Companies to donald trump. In other words. So becomes relevant to find out where it went. Right. I dont know. I dont think thats a proper assumption right now. But jill. Right now but you know, i think cohen pocketed that money from the corporations. You he got a performing with his inlaws on his inlaws report. That was for the slush fund. So the question is. Of course thanks for the distinction. The question is less whether the money want to trump direct mri. It might have gone to Stormy Daniels and other people might have gone to the slush fund. Everybody we talked to, jill, has said the Mueller Investigation has already spoken to them. Ford said it novartis said it. At t said it. The Korean Company said it. So the bottom line mueller knows more than were talking about. So he must know the question jonathan is getting to thats where is the money where did it go . That would speak to this, right. Exactly, what i was saying earlier we have to let the investigation go. Because we know where the money came from. We know that cohen was asking for it. He supposedly had been unhappy to have been left behind. But it sounds like he was financially happy to have been left behind where he could just collect money to sell influence. But the important question is, lets follow the bank records and find out where that money went. Yeah. What was it for . Those documents are probably in muellers possession right now. Yeah. I think we have to let mueller do his job and thats why congress has to protect him so that he doesnt get fired. So that rosenstein dont get fired. Thats what we need to do make sure it goes forward. Americans have a right to know. And a need to know before the election. So lets get it done. Well. Lets let him do his job. In the last 24 hours the Vice President of the United States and the chief of staff to the president has said that this they disagree with that. They think its run the course about time to shut it down. Thanks to both of you jill wine banks, jonathan alter. Coming up with what john kelly had to say about donald trump in the russia investigation including what i just mentioned. Once there was an organism so small no one thought much of it at all. People said it just made a mess until exxonmobil scientists put it to the test. They thought someday it could become fuel and power our cars wouldnt that be cool . 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From what i read in the newspaper, something that has gone on this long without any real meat on the bone suggests there is nothing there relative to our president. There a cloud because of it hanging over the white house. Well, yeah, you know, there may not be a cloud. But certainly the president is somewhat embarrassed frankly when World Leaders come in, you know Bibi Netanyahu was here and under investigation himself. You walk in and the first couple of minutes of every conversation might revolve that kind of thing. When john kelly was asked to ee a little bit on the kind of thing he was referring to he described the russia investigation as a distraction. Here is what he said about that in a part of the interview posted on nprs website. Its just a distracts distraction for him he has said this himself in the press or publicly that he really wants to reach out and have a Good Relationship with say, russia in the same which he does with xi from china and hopefully kim interest north korea. But you best but he is hesitant to do that right now because of what you say is a cloud. Joining us now is zolina. Theresa khurram. Msnbc contributor which makes me the only person on the screen not wearing red right now. Zirlina. I dont know what to make it this, the president is embarrasses ds because he he meets foreign leaders Like Netanyahu who is under investigation, thats a problem. In the week we learn there is a financial connection between the krem rein potentially and the Trump Campaign and associates, i just find this a completely out of touch. I think john kelly for all of the credit and his military career that he rightly deserves and the thought that he was going to rihn in donald trump he hasnt done that. He has essentially bought into the thinking of the Trump Administration and thinking the russia investigation is a distraction in a moment like i said when we learn there is even deeper connection than we previously thought. I think its just completely out of touch. And it demonstrate that all of the integrity that he built up in the military career is essentially washed away. The day he lied about a congressman and what she said. Attacked a congressman for intelligence. And proven to be lying. Proved to be lying about her when he called her a liar. Maria, i want to just play Something Else that he said today in that john kelly said today in the npr interview this time about immigration. Lets listen. Let me step become and tell you that the vast majority of the people that move illegally into the United States are not bad people. Theyre not criminals, not ms 13. But theyre also not people that easily assimilate into the United States. They are overwhelmingly rural people. And the countries they come from, fourth, fifth, sixth grade educations are the norm. The disclaimer is im a double immigrant. Im a immigrant to canada and the United States and im glad we didnt use his rules when we built the country we built that from people that came with no education and no Language Skills grew under those rules his parents his grandparents basically immigrated from arld. He wouldnt be here. He forgets the history. Thats the daerpgs of this administration. What makes America Great that is that the home you touch your toe on this land you are american by definition. And that is what the danger is. This idea though is completely kpen phobic. And he has the ear of President Trump and also in cahoots with steve miller its translating into a slippery slope dangerous policy unfortunately. This idea of separating a family, mother a child and basically him shrugging his shoreds and saying they could end up in for thor kir demonstrate how callous the administration is. They dont have values. And thats not acceptable. You know, the type of kpen ophobia is common in other countries where the ethnicity with where there are secretaries and tribes. Thats not our history. Wed be reinventing to suggest thats our history. We sit here in new york city where the city would literally fall apart without immigrants. I mean to quote hamilton any get the job done and make it function. They do. Im africanamerican my family is not part of the immigrant experience. But it would be the same thing to nigh the experience of africa americans rewrite history and pretend that irish americans and italian americans were able to assimilate because theyre white. Right they were able to essentially join the ranks of White Society in the United States. In a different way than latino and black people havent been able to, right. So i think i agree with maria when she kpas if xenophobia. And this administration has done away with the dog whistles and they say what they mean. Which is they want people not sfr shole countries from norway and want the immigrants who come here to be white as well and speak english. And theyre dehumanizing and demeaning people who are not from those backgrounds. And i think the challenge there is that its not just saying it they are implementing the policy. And the policy if you look at secretary nielsen today she said that her feelings were hurt and she was about to resign. She wasnt going to resign because what the what isis is doing right now is tearing families apart. She was upset because she didnt like the tone of what the president said to her. I i encourage i encourage secretary nielsen to say imagine if that tone was a i. C. E. Agent saying im taking you away from your child. Then thats when you should be afraid. Stay with us both come up this weekend revealed remarkable news about democrats and the midterm elections. Well talk about that on the other side. Mines way better. 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And we got to win the house and we got to win the senate. And i think were going to do great in the senate. And i think were going to do great in the house. President trump is ready for the midterm elections. But who is really getting fired up . This year a Record Number of women running for u. S. House of representatives. 309 women filed candidacy papers surpassing the previous record of 298 women in 2012. And tuesdays primaries in indiana, north carolina, ohio and West Virginia proved that the wave is showing no signs of slowing down. Women made up 19 of how candidates on primary ballots. On tuesday night. One the vote tallied the results show women arent just running they are winning, especially exactic female candidates. More than two thirds of female house candidates won the primary on tuesday. 22 were democrats. En and five republicans. In the general election women will account for 5 a of Democratic House nominees from these states. Only about 12 of republicans nominees. And its important to note that on average democrats lead the generic ballot by 7. 1 points over the past year. Democratic women in 2018 are running for all levels of government from local to federal. Why are all the women run sng well it likely has to do with domestic issues that trump is ignoring. According to the Washington Post just this week alone President Trump is separating immigrants parents from their children. Rolling back antisegregation rules at hud, clawing back funding for the Childrens Health insurance program, contributing to rising premiums for sick people and gutting the Consumer Financial protection bureau. Many of the people candidates running this year are focused Campaign Messages on health care, education, Early Childhood development, nutrition assistance program. Family leave and workplace equality. All policies that the president is radically changing. Will the success of democratic female candidates in the primaries translate into general election wins . 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Because plkting is kbaking their lives whether or not they are involved or participating or do activism. Its important for women everyone really to understand that politics is thinking about you even if youre in the thinking about politics. So 36,000 women have contacted emilys list, that helps elect pro choice Democratic Women. And its important to donate. And engage, and go out and volunteer for candidates. No matter what side of the political spectrum you are on. Because i think that engaged citizens make for a better country. Theda, you have studied this. Ive been reading the reports you and colleagues have colleagu written. Youve gone out and figured out who these women are. I want to read an zerpt. At the current pace it seems likely that the popup leaders and grassroots groups of 2017 will, by 2019, have repopulated the local layer of the Democratic Party in much of the country. National media misperceptions to the contrary, this will not look like a farleft reinvention of tea partiers or a continuation of bernie 2016. It will look like retired librarians rolling their eyes at the present state of affairs, and then taking charge. Tell us a little about the demographics of the women you have studied around the country who are not just running for office but motivating others and supporting those candidacies. Well, thank you, ali. The article that you quoted from, i wrote in partnership with laura putnam. Laura has been a participant as well as an observer. Shes a professor at the university of pittsburgh, and she was involved with many of the womens groups that were knocking on doors for months leading into the election of conor lamb in the special election in southwestern pennsylvania. Meanwhile, while she was doing that, ive been visiting eight counties, two apiece in north carolina, ohio, pennsylvania, and wisconsin, all counties that voted for trump in the 2016 election. And in my visits where im talking to people across the political spectrum, i discovered in every one of them that there were one or more grassroots citizens groups that had formed, usually led by women who were disappointed and shocked at the results of the 2016 election, and organized themselves to speak out to their local representatives, to run for office in many cases themselves, and support other people, and to fight over the course of the last year and a half to preserve the Health Care Law and to raise issues about immigration, education, all of the issues you mentioned at the start of this segment with their neighbors and friends in these local areas. And maria teresa, this is an important point. These domestic policies are something that women in this country understand the ways in which they affect them. By the way, some of it is child care and chip and things like that, but some of it is what we were just talking about in the last segment, and that is the treatment of women and families at the southern border. These are things that women are standing up, saying, im not letting people make these decisions for me. Well, and this is where the republicans are in real danger. The majority of folks in the United States that vote are women, and disproportionately the Largest Group of growing women are single women. These are basically bread and butter whether they are heads of households or not. I want to drill down where theda talked about this idea that it was the grassroots mobilization of women that helped bring conor lamb to congress. The reason that is unique and special is that that is the district that trump won by 20 points. Right. That basically was found by the courts that had been highly gerrymandered in favor of republicans. So if that is happening in basically an outlier of a highly republican held gerrymandered district, there is going to be a wave. If you were to ask me what would i look for, is that once these women get into office, what we want to make sure is they are getting the support and training they need when it comes to politicking, when it comes to policy because we want to make sure its not just a wave and its not just a pendulum, but were actually cementing a Progressive Agenda that allows for women and children to be at the forefront of these policies. However, theda, i want to read you something that was on npr. The title is the wave of female candidates is set for a wave of losses come november. It says 49 of the Democratic Women running for the house, senate, and governor are in likely or safe republican races. 34 of republican women are running in likely or safe Democratic House, senate, or governors races, which means a whole lot of women are running in districts which are not obvious supporters of the party for which they are running. Well, you know, you have to run to have a chance to win. People dont always win when they do run, and i dont think thats something that we should be worried about. So many are running. So many women are running, and so many women along with many men working with them are knocking on doors, talking to their neighbors, contacting their local representatives. Thats going to change the political conversation not just in the big cities or the liberal states, but in the conservative areas like the ones ive been visiting over the last year and a half. That will change the lay of the land for whoever gets elected, and some will lose. And i think to really underscore thedas point, by contrast, full disclosure, im on the board of emilys list. In 2016, we were having a hard time trying to recruit women. We had 900 women throwing their hands to be candidates. We are are now trying to struggle because theres 36,000. So this is not just about a onetime wave. If anything, its a cultural shift. Women are now seeing they too can hold Public Office even if they are the older librarian or if they are the single mother. That is what makes it special. If you look at what happened in virginia, the whole wave of what happened in virginia was really representative of what was what america represents, right . Not just based on gender or diversity but, more importantly, on a truly progressive back of what the future of america looks like. Well, thank you for this hearty discussion. We will see how this all plays out. Thanks all three of you for joining us. Tonights last word is next. its the details that make the difference. 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