Joining us tonight. She is, at the moment, the next best thing to mary trump because he is a lifetime friend of mary trumps and knows her very well and spoke to her. Spent a lot of time while mary trump was writing the book that was so featured on your show last night. And, so, shes going to tell us what she knows about how this book came about and what she knows about this relationship that mary trump has with not just her uncle donald but the rest of the family. And how is that going now . Yeah. Thats fascinating. Im so glad youve got her. Were in this unusual situation where mary trumps book is in the hands of journalists and coming out next week, but she herself is still legally precluded about speaking about what she wrote the book about so you are going to get as close as anybody can get. And she is authorized to speak for mary trump. This is not just a friend raising her hand and saying, hey, i know her. You know, i have something to say. This is this is a kind of carefully arranged way of doing this at this stage. This is exciting. This is im riveted already. Go lawrence. All right. Get home and watch. Thank you, rachel. Okay. I will. Bye. Well, donald trump has no power to open schools in america, none. Let me repeat that. Donald trump has no power to open schools in america. But he does have the power to read the president s daily brief and study the intelligence reports in that brief about all of the threats to americans and american soldiers that the Intelligence Community can find anywhere in the world. Donald trumps niece has written a book which we will discuss later in this hour with a lifetime friend of hers, as i just mentioned, and in that book Donald Trumps niece explains why the current president of the United States does not care enough about protecting american lives around the world, including American Military lives or the lives of American School children. Mary trumps book says that Donald Trumps father was a, quote, high functioning y sociopath and trump is fundamentally incapable of acknowledging the suffering of others. Donald trump does not care. That is not news. But the ways in which donald trump does not care become clear whenever new matters of president ial concern emerge in the news that donald trump clearly does not care about. There is no real dispute that donald trump did not care about the children that he was putting in cages in our southern border. Donald trump wanted his voters to know that he was putting those kids in cages and absolutely did not care about those children and he wanted his voters to know that he felt that way because donald trump believes that thats one of the very big reasons that those voters voted for him, that he does not care about anyone at our southern border. Donald trump doesnt care about american soldiers who may face a greater threat in afghanistan because Vladimir Putin is paying to have them killed. And donald trump doesnt care about anyone currently enrolled in any Public School in america. Donald trump doesnt know anyone who attends a Public School or works in a Public School. From where he sits in any one of his homes, donald trump has no idea which direction to go to find a Public School, but donald trump wants all Public Schools to go back to normal in the coming Academic Year starting in august. But not private schools. Not the rich kid private schools that his kids have gone to. Donald trump is not pretending that he will tell private schools what to do, just Public Schools. He threatened today in his typical empty threat way to cut funding for Public Schools that dont open up and pretend that everything is okay in august and september. That will never happen. Donald trump will not cut one penny of funding for schools because of how they deal with the coronavirus. I want every school in america to open and get back to normal. As soon as it is safe. Donald trump wants every school in america to open and get back to normal, period. He doesnt care if its safe. And by now donald trump knows if that happened this august, millions of people would get sick very quickly, students, teachers, parents and anyone who lives near a student or teacher or parent, which means everyone in america would be no more than one or two degrees of separation from a coronavirus infection. Donald trump knows people will die if that happens. Its not going to happen. But if it did happen, people would die. Students would die. Children would die. Teachers would die. He knows that. Donald trump knows that hes in the middle of a big bluff right now about being the proschools president. This is the new republican game of the week. And the republican governor of florida is playing it exactly the way youd expect republicans to play this game. They are just lying about this. News reports indicated that floridas governor and the state education commissioner have ordered, ordered all florida schools to open. Thats the headline that ran yesterday. But the fine print in that order shows that it is not an order. It is a hope. It is a sort of suggestion, at best, because at the bottom of page 2 of the socalled order from the state of floridas department of education, it says, quote, the daytoday decision to open or close a school must always rest locally with the board or executive most closely associated with a school. This republican order is nothing. It orders nothing. Donald Trumps Campaign to corrupt the centers for Disease Control continues. He says he doesnt like the guidelines that they have issued for reopening schools. Heres what donald trump doesnt like, promoting social distancing, wearing cloth face coverings, having children bring their own meals, discouraging sharing of items and disinfecting surfaces often. Donald trump doesnt like that. So the mike pence White House Team is going to come up with an even softer set of guidelines for opening schools, which everyone will ignore because, as nbcs jeff bennett exposed today, mike pence and donald trump have no plan. Articulated the problem and areas of risk that students face if they stay out of school come the fall. But what is the plan . What is the administrations plan in terms of testing, Contact Tracing to support these schools . Schools werent built to socially distance, which is one of the reasons why fairfax, virginia, new york, texas have moved to this hybrid aapproach. So what is the plan . And then i have a question about kids and covid, if i may. The plan is command you to do what we have done from the very beginning. The pence gibberish that followed that is not worth your time. There is no plan. There is only the pose of the republican tough guys who arent afraid of a virus who want to open the schools. And then there are the questions that you only get to ask in the trump white house. Is it safe to send people back to school . Is it safe to send manafort back to prison . Is it safe to send manafort back to prison . Donald trumps former Campaign ChairmanPaul Manafort was released from prison because of the threat of coronavirus. Donald trump issued a tweet today saying that of course American Schools can reopen because schools have reopened in germany, denmark, norway and sweden, countries whose example donald trump doesnt usually follow. Yesterday the United States reported a record high of 54,130 new cases of coronavirus. Denmark had 10. Norway had 11. Sweden had 283. Germany had 397. And as of tonight, the United States has reported a new record high of 58,238 cases. That means that as of tonight there have been 3,058,250 confirmed cases of coronavirus in this country and that as of tonight this country has suffered 132,873 deaths from coronavirus. Willy garcia knows more about Public Schools than anyone named trump ever has or ever will. We see what happens when they let bars open prematurely and you saw those young adults in there in that nice life little bar and they went home and they infected everybody around them. This isnt a bar. Were talking about second graders. I had 39 sixth graders one year in my class. I double dog dare donald trump to sit in a class of 39 sixth graders and breathe that air without any preparation for how were going to bring our kids back safely. Leading off our discussion tonight, arnie duncan, the former secretary of education during the Obama Administration and an Emergency Room Physician in phoenix, arizona. And arnie duncan, i would like to begin with you. The idea that the president of the United States can, first of all, somehow order people to go back into schools or then also somehow penalize schools financially if people dont go back to school the way donald trump wants them to, what is your reaction to all of that . Well, hes a liar. And thats not news, but hes bluffing and he has no power here. So let me just make a couple things very, very clear. The president of the United States doesnt fund Public Education. Thats what congress does. He has no ability to order schools to go back. We all desperately want our children to go back to school, but it has to be safe to do so. Because this administration has done such a terrible job of keeping our kids and our community safe, thats an open question right now. I desperately want our kids to go back in july, this month, to catch up to what they lost academically and socially during march and april and may and june, but because our country did not follow what scientists tell us to do because donald trump wouldnt, you know, push Wearing Masks and physically distancing, our kids have lost that opportunity. So what happens this fall is up to us as citizens to give our children a chance to go back to physical schools. Dr. Shah, you are also a member of the house of representatives in arizona. Arizonas house of representatives. So i want to ask you, first of all, from your governing position, what do you see as the schools situation just in your state just in arizona and what do you anticipate happening with schools . Its a topic of great concern for us. Arizona has had some issues with Education Funding over the years. We have had the dubious honor of being nearly last in the amount of funding we provide for pupil. We have had high number of kids per classroom, and that was all before the coronavirus. So being able to successfully open schools at the date that we were supposed to is actually july 17th was supposed to be one of the days. That isnt happening. The governor pushed us forward. But i just cant see how thats going to happen, being such a hot spot as we are, so im anticipating a delay there. Arne duncan, what would you recommend to schools and School Districts around the country since they will get nothing like the kind of flow of advice they would be getting from any other administration, democrat or republican, prior to the Trump Administration. They will be hearing nonsense from the president every day. The cdc has been corrupted in what they can say publically about this. So schools out there who dont have the resources to make their own scientific evaluation of whats going on, what advice would you give them about how to approach this . Well, actually, it happened today. Dr. Tom freedman, along with my predecessor, we put out our own guidelines today for School Districts to follow. No one is waying a inpaying att. He lost his credibility months and months ago. Most districts will end up in a hybrid type situation where some students will be in school some of the time. All students will be doing some virtual learning. And people are going to problem solve this at the local level. And their leadership, their compassion, their empathy, their concern for students, for parents, for staff, for teachers, for custodians, for cafeteria workers, for folks that drive the school busses, their leadership has been remarkable and im proud of what theyre doing in these dark times. What about the situation in arizona . Joe biden talked about it today, about people waiting in line for hours to get tested in arizona as the numbers skyrocket as you approach Maximum Capacity of your hospitals. What is the situation there tonight . Continues to be rough for us here. You know, i work in the emergency department, and what were seeing is that, you know, i mean, my own practice one out of two or one out of three people i see have covid or covidlike symptoms. Thats a marked uptick. The highest in the world is what weve been hearing. Very high positivity rates on the tests were getting back. And the testing has also been so delayed. We cant seem to get these test results out because the companies are struggling, so were looking sometimes at a 7 to almost 10 day delay in getting the results back. So its been hard. Icus again are at 90 capacity. So still were in a very tough spot, and in the middle of a real uptick in our cases. And arne duncan, the strain on testing, once again were having a strain on medical supplies nationally, how does that interact with the decision about opening schools because you would want schools to open within an environment where, if there was a sudden need for a rush for extra medical services, that that would be possible. Yeah. Its exactly right. There is actually worse than that. You need access to lots of tests. You need to get those results back rapidly. You have to be willing to contact trace. If there is someone that is positive, figure out who they have been in contact with. You have to be willing to quarantine. None of those things have been in place at the national level. If there is any true concern for kids or or education or for parents or teachers, the administration would be talking about increasing funding for Public Education because of all the increased costs associated with dealing with this pandemic, rather than bluffing and threatening to take away funding, which, as you said, is not going to happen. There is no bottom with these guys. There is no bottom. Former secretary of education, arne duncan. Thank you very much for joining us. And, doctor, thank you also for starting us off tonight. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you for having us. 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Today ryan goodman at just security delivered stunning reporting about donald trump directing the cia to share intelligence with the russian government after donald trump had been briefed that Vladimir Putin was supplying arms to the taliban. Joining our discussion now is ryan goodman. He is the founding coeditor in chief of just security and is a professor of law at new york university. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. Take us through this reporting and how it leads to the story that we have been covering for over a week now. So the question i had was why would putin think that he could get away with paying bounties to the taliban to kill american soldiers. The answer i found is because, in large part, he was doing something beforehand, which is providing weapons to the taliban and the pentagon was up in arms about this, raising it publically, having to go out and do media interviews and the like to say that russia should stop giving weapons to the taliban of all people because it was threatening nato. And what did President Trump do . But he sent putin over a direct signal. He did nothing. He said nothing. And i have, you know, former Defense Department officials saying on the record that that undercut any effort for the Defense Department to try to raise this issue or the state department or anybody else. And on the contrary, what donald trump did during that period is push the cia to give intelligence to the kremlin for Counter Terrorism operations. This is the same kremlin that is military arming the taliban. You know, this goes to a point that nancy pelosi raised when this story was breaking and it was quite striking to me because he was she was wondering about, you know, why because the white house story was, you know, no one told donald trump, no one told donald trump. John bolton has said he himself did tell donald trump but john bolton wont confirm that publically because he says its classified. But nancy pelosi at that time said this were they afraid to approach him on the subject of russia . And were they concerned that if they did tell him that he would tell putin . And that, to me, is the most important way to look at this question. Its one of the possibilities. I think the question has to be raised that if, in fact, they did alert trump, he would just share the intelligence information. Thats what he was already instructing the cia to do as a matter of policy, despite the analysts saying that if we do this we get nothing in return, so why would we do this . But it was, in fact, the effort by the white house and by President Trump himself to do it, to send it directly, to share information with the russians. So i think the idea that the speaker is raising, its almost like two plus two equals four. I would imagine the Intelligence Community would be deeply concerned what donald trump would do with this type of information. Yeah. And, you know, there was all sorts of theorizing of, oh, you know, in the office they never want to bring anything about russia, thats negative about russia to donald trump because he doesnt want to hear it and its from that angle of, oh, the boss doesnt want to hear it, which is one level of dereliction of duty. This version of it, if we bring it to him, he will tell Vladimir Putin, is the version where if the dynamic is the same as having a russian agent working in the white house. Well, the concern is that he has a track record. The president did, in fact, invite the foreign minister of russia and their Russian Ambassador into the oval office and by all reports gave them highly classified information that compromised a u. S. Ally. So its not as though he hasnt actually done it. And i think thats, therefore, a real risk. And why is he not raising issues that are threatening the lives of American Forces on the ground or rather chumming it up with putin . And remember when he returned from the first meeting with pu tine, he said, oh, were going to set up a joint Cyber Operation department with putin or cyber security. It shows you the mentality of it. It is difficult to know why he is so beholden to putin, but those are dots that connect up. Thank you for sharing your reporting and analysis for us. Thank you so much for joining our discussion tonight. Thank you. Thank you. And when we come back, 17yearold Darnella Frazier recorded the video of gorcheorg floyd being killed on the street by police. 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That new count of how many times he said, i cant breathe comes from the transcripts of the Police Body Cameras of two of the Police Officers who were Holding George floyd down. Officer thomas lane and officer alexander king. These transcripts were made public in Court Filings today in minneapolis. We do not have the transcript of the body cam of officer Derek Chauvin who kept his knee on George Floyds neck for 8 minutes and 45 seconds. That was on his neck long after all the witnesses present could tell that george floyd had stopped breathing. The very first thing george floyd says in the transcript of officer lanes body camera recording is, hey, man, im sorry. The next thing george floyd says is, im sorry. Im sorry. George floyds language is always polite. The transcript is filled with george floyd saying sorry and please. The Police Officers language begins very aggressively with those lines that they all learned in cop movies. Officer lane, put your fing hands up right now keep your fing hands on the wheel. So who george floyd says, yes, sir. Im sorry officer. George floyd continues to apologize, im sorry. Im so sorry. Man, i got shot the same way, mr. Officer, before. Im so sorry. Its not completely clear if george floyd was saying he had once been shot by a Police Officer or if he possibly had been shot by someone else when he was approached while sitting in a car. George floyd says, please dont shoot me, mr. Officer. Please dont shoot me, man. Please, can you not shoot me, man. Im sorry, mr. Officer. Ill get on my knees, whatever. When officer kueng says, youre acting erratic. George floyd says, ill do anything. Im not resisting, man. Im not. Im not. Mr. Officer, mr. Officer, im not that kind of guy. Please, im not that kind of guy. Mr. Officers, please. I wont do nothing to hurt you, mr. Officer. George floyd was afraid of getting in the police car, and the transcript seems to reveal why. George floyd, yall, im going to die in here im going to die, man. Officer kueng, you need to take a seat right now. George floyd, i just had covid, man. I dont want to go back to that. George floyds autopsy showed he had covid six weeks before he was killed. He seemed to be afraid that going into a police car and being take ton a jail would give the coronavirus another chance to kill him. George floyd says, im not trying to win. Ill get on the ground, anything. Im not a bad guy, man. Officer lane says, get him on the ground. George floyd says, let go of me, man. I cant breathe. I cant breathe. Please, man. Please listen to me. Please listen to me. Officer thao, just lay him on the ground. George floyd, i cant breathe. I cant breathe. I cant breathe. Officer lane, jesus christ. George floyd, i cant breathe. Officer lane, thank you. George floyd, i cant breathe. Officer kueng, stop moving. George floyd, momma, momma, momma, momma. George floyd, momma, momma, momma. Momma, momma, momma. 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I need some water or something. Please, please. I cant breathe officer. Officer chauvin, then stop talking. Stop yelling. It takes a heck of a lot of oxygen to talk. George floyd, come on, man. Oh. Oh. I cannot breathe. I cannot breathe. Ah theyll kill me. Theyll kill me. I cant breathe. I cant breathe. Oh and then george floyd says, ah please. Please. Please. And he never spoke again. The last word that george floyd said was please as george floyd remained motionless and apparently not breathing spectators who had been yelling at the Police Officers for several minutes to stop what they were goidoing to george fl and one spectator kept yelling at them to check George Floyds pulse. He kept telling the Police Officers that george floyd was not resisting and that he was no longer responsive. And with george floyd motionless and silent for almost two minutes, that spectator then yelled at officer chauvi n. Hes not even breathing right now, bro. You think thats cool . 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Thats what he demonstrates when he tries to cheerlead schools into reopening and endangering the teachers in those schools and the neighbors of everyone who lives near those families. But it didnt begin with schools. The Trump Administration systemically separated at least 5,400 Migrant Children from their families. Tonight we do not know, and donald trump does not know exactly how many of those Migrant Children that he separated have never been reunited with their families despite the diligent efforts of reporters like msnbcs correspondent who reported live on this Program Hours after being among the first group of reporters allowed inside a facility in brownsville, texas used by the federal government to even kars rate imMigrant Children who were separated from their parents. Its essentially a prison or a jail without cages or cells for these young boys. There is a mural of, you know, of anybody that they could have possibly picked donald trump right in that cafeteria. It is the first thing you see when you go in there. And essentially what it says is you dont always win the battle, but you can win the war. An increasing number of these kids are being taken away from their kids, sleeping in a former walmart because of a donald trump policy and there is donald trump up on the wall for them to see every single day. Joining us now is jacob soboroff, the author of the new book separate d inside an american tragedy. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. The book is as stunning as your reporting has been on this. It is sometimes difficult to hold it in my hands as i read some of these passages and continue to think about these separations where there might never be a reunification with parents. And, you know, lawrence, thank you for saying that, first of all, but thats why i wrote this book. You know, how did we get here . You know, i saw it myself. I saw it with my own eyes. Ill never forget what i saw, nor will i think you, nor will the people in our audience who so passionately protested this policy and people throughout the country. But there was so much more than i didnt know at the time. And particularly how could the United States government torture in the words of physicians for human rights 5,400 kids and rip them away from their parents . And thats why i wanted to write this. Jacob, i went down to the border exactly once during this story. You basically were living there. There is so much more that you get by being able to work with sources every day. What are the things that even now you feel never quite got through in the way we were trying to deliver that we have been trying to deliver this story and still trying to deliver this story . Well, your point is such a good one, lawrence. And that is i met so many people at the time that proved very valuable in learning more about what happened to the policy after the fact, and one example that ill give you that i havent talked about before thats in the book and has never before been previously reported is that kirs sten kneel son that said there was no separated policy, she denied it existed was faced with a peculiar situation when the policy supposedly ended. President trump was flying with her on the way to survey tornado knowledge in alabama. The president , by the way, was really on his way to mira la go for a weekend there, but they stopped over. As they flew over the devastation on their way to people who had basically been excited the president was coming after people had died in this community. The president looked over and said to her, we have to reinstitute that, speaking of family separations. Thats what President Trump was thinking about. And interjecting stopping this conversation was not nielsen. It was not trump or ben carson w, but it was Melania Trump who said, no, no. And i write specifically in the book about what this conversation was like. And President Trump stopped there and said, well see. Well see. But the bottom line is the president of the United States wanted to restart this policy. And one of the times he was thinking about doing it was when he was to meet with victims of tornado damage. Jacob, when you first started reporting on this, especially the separation of children at the border, that was a kind of a new moral low for donald trump publically. It is not something we could have said with certainly months ahead of time. But, oh, yeah, when faced with this choice, he will absolutely rip families apart at the border. But then we saw that. And it seems like all of his exhibitions have been humanity that have followed that have all been in effect highly predictab predictable, not surprising because once we saw him do thrks it kind of gave us a sense of what he was capable of. I see a pattern, and a pattern thats emerged in the coronavirus epidemic particularly and specifically some of the very same people that were involved in the family separation drama, including katie miller, the now Communications Director for the Vice President of the United States but then the chief spokesperson on this issue for the department of homeland security. People within the department of health and Human Services as well. They were part of the botched effort to reunite separated families. I always said there was never a plan. The truth is there was a plan to reunite families. There were people who tried to do it and were prevented by the Trump Administration. Its almost like you could tell that same story for the failure to contain the coronavirus and it is all right there in the book. Jacob, thank you so much for joining us. The book is separated inside an american tragedy. Book is e the american tragedy. Jacob, it is a pleasure to have you here and help you with your reporting in every way you can. When we come back, mary trump is prohibited by speaking up by judges order. I am totally blind. And non24 can make me show up too early. Or too late. Or make me feel like im not really there. Talk to your doctor, and call 8442342424. Some Companies Still have hr stuck between employeesentering data. A. Changing data. More and more sensitive, personal data. And it doesnt just drag hr down. It drags the entire business down with inefficiency, errors and waste. Its ridiculous. So ridiculous. With paycom, employees enter and manage their own data in a single, easy to use software. Visit paycom. Com, and schedule your demo today. Struggling to clean tough messes with wipes . Try mr. Clean magic eraser sheets. Just wet, squeeze and erase icky messes in microwaves and on stovetops for an amazing clean, get the power of mr. Clean magic eraser in disposable sheets. In her new book about her uncle donald, mary trump, a clinical psychologist writes mary trump is currently under a court order not to speak about her book but her lifetime friend and confidant has for now been authorized by mary trump in effect to speak for her. Joining us now is mary trumps friend alice frankston. Thank you for joining us. When did you first discover that mary trump was writing a book . Years ago. We spoke about it. It was a stop and start process. Then a little more than two years ago she started going gungho for it. Did she tell you when she decided to cooperate with the New York Times and supply some old trump tax returns to the New York Times . Yes, she told me when she was first approached by the reporter Suzanne Craig at her door and then through the process of what she was doing to go secure the documents. I thought, well, thats quite a caper. It takes a lot of courage to do what she did, but she wanted to do the right thing. Were you present while she was writing some of this book . I am in los angeles, but she came out and spent quite a few weeks with me and we would sit down and go over things. She would write all day and i would look at things in the evening and run through things with her. It has been a process, but a really interesting one. When you read the book, since you have known her for so long and been hearing some things about her family for a long time, how much of this was new to you . The only thing that was really new it was new to her as well the things she discovered through those documents. Other than that, i have been hearing stories about her family for years. Especially since late 2015 when the campaign started. Then the conversation had an uptick, regarding her uncle as least. Was it common family knowledge that donald trump paid joe shapiro to take his s. A. T. S for him. It is her knowledge and through other people that he paid somebody to take it for him. There are other anecdotes in the book. At this stage as she sees what her uncle has said about it . She is thrilled to bits. It would be great if she could speak herself, but she has been silenced which is unprecedented. She is very pleased. She has received a tremendous amount of support and sales have been hugely successful. As far as what anybody says out of the white house, she takes it with a grain of salt because you consider the source. If the court allows it, do you expect mary trump to take her place publicly and get out and start speaking about this book . Absolutely. She has been waiting to have a voice for many years. Its cruel at this point that the book is out there and its me, not her. But it will be soon enough. I feel confidence. How much of her family in effect is lost to her because of this . Thats i guess to be determined. Probably a lot. She felt that she had an obligation and a duty to tell the truth and to tell her story, to let people know what we are dealing with. Alice frankston, thank you for joining us tonight and please thank mary trump for telling this story, for having the bravery to write this book. We appreciate her allowing you to come and speak with us tonight. Thanks for having me. That is tonights last word, the 11th hour with Brian Williams starts now. Good evening once again. Day 1266 of the Trump Administration, 118 days to go until our president ial election. The rift between donald trump and his top Infectious Disease experts are growing even as coronavirus