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Died now, many of us who closely followed Trumps Campaign and have taken a deep look at his history have figured out long ago that trump is a liar and a fraud. We dont believe the stuff he says if he tells us its raining, we triple check before grabbing an umbrella, but you, you hang on to his every word, so lets just be clear it was you that he lied to, and he didnt just lie he acted on that lie hes had you out there at his rallies without masks. Hes had you demanding that kids go back to school. Play high school and College Football when he knew since january the coronavirus could and in nearly 200,000 cases has killed people. Oh, and there are tapes. Not tapes of Anonymous Sources or disgruntled former staffers, nope, tapes of donald trump. Because donald trump not only knew that he was lying about the virus, he bragged about it in a series of interviews with Washington Post Journalist Bob Woodward according to the Washington Post reporting, trump was warned on january 28th by National Security adviser robert obrien, quote, this will be the biggest National Security threat you face in your presidency. And ten days later trump called bob woodward on february 7th and admitted it. Its a very tricky situation. Its indeed it is. It goes through air, bob. Thats always tougher than the touch. You know, the touch you dont have to touch thing, but the air, you just breathe the air. Thats how its passed and so thats a very tricky one. Thats a very delicate one its also more deadly than your, you know, your even your strenuous flus this is deadly stuff oh, really . Well, and then over the next several weeks trump argued exactly the opposite, that coronavirus wasnt worse than the flu. Oh, no way all that risk talk was just another democrat hoax. He minimized how dangerous this Global Pandemic would be in america. But we have it so well under control, i mean, we really have done a very good job its a little like the regular flu that we have flu shots for, and well essentially have a flu shot for this in a fairly quick manner this is a flu. This is like a flu. Its going to disappear one day its like a miracle, it will disappear. Almost everybody that we see is getting better. And it could be everybody soon. You have to be calm it will go away. Were prepared, and were doing a great job with it, and it will go away. Just stay calm everybody has to be vigilant and has to be careful, but be calm he knew that wasnt true, and then later in march, trump spoke to woodward again and said the one true thing that hes managed to spit out about the virus in nine months, that he was deliberately playing it down, that he deliberately minimized the dangers of covid now its turning out its not just old people, bob, but just today and yesterday some startling facts came out its not just older yeah, exactly. Its young people you went through a pivot on this to, oh, my god, the gravity is almost inexplicable and unexplainable. Well, i think, bob, really, to be honest with you sure, i want you to be. I wanted to i wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down. Yes because i dont want to create a panic wow now, of course i must know that we dont know what came before or after each of these recordings, and of course today did the usual, called the book a political hit job saying he didnt want to create panic. But to reiterate, under that, quote, unquote, leadership, peoples lives have been ruined all over this country. Many of them people who voted for donald trump, more than 191,000 americans are dead due to the virus more than 6. 3 million americans have been infected, and more than 13 million americans are unemployed eight months after he knew this virus was airborne and could kill a lot of people, trump is still actively gathering people at rallies and lets just be clear, these are solely for his own need to feel adulation. Hes putting his own super fans lives at risk, including at the white house. Honestly, why would anyone do that why would any president , and why should anyone believe anything that he says now im joined now by phillip ruter, White House Bureau chief for the Washington Post, and ben rhodes former deputy National Security adviser to president obama. Phillip, im going to start with you because the only thing thats shocking about this weve known that donald trump has been under playing the coronavirus, you know, for most of this year what we didnt know is that he was i dont want to use a cruel word you know, unseasoned enough at being a public person that he would call bob woodward, call a reporter and say, you know, yeah, i minimized it whats the white house excuse for his own words saying that hes been lying to his own base about this deadly virus for nine months well, joy, the white house is trying to defend the president by saying, as the president said to woodward, that he didnt want to create a panic for the American People and that that is responsible leadership, but you know, a lot of other experts in leadership say that its the definition of irresponsible leadership joe biden today called it a dereliction of the president s duty to the people to not warn them of the gravity of this threat, and one thing that we learned in Bob Woodwards reporting for this book is not only was trump briefed by his National Security adviser as early as january 28th that this coronavirus would be the biggest National Security threat of his entire presidency, but on february 7th when the president called woodward, he related to woodward this intimate knowledge of the gravity of the threat, how deadly this virus was. How it just is airborne and people can catch it so easily. Think back to early february, most of us had no idea what this coronavirus was all about. We didnt know how serious it was. It wasnt until early to midmarch when states started shutting down and businesses started to close, so trump understood very early on what a threat this was, and he didnt do anything to try to contain it and, in fact, misled the public. Ben, exactly. Youve worked in the National Security sphere for president obama. Can you imagine first of all, what an excuse, that theyre trying not to create a panic really in february we were covering impeachment. We were covering donald trump selling out these nations National Security in order to try to beat joe biden before joe biden even had the nomination. We were covering the primaries i was doing a weekend show we barely talked about coronavirus. Why . Because there wasliterally nothing coming out of the white house. I dont listen to donald trump i dont take advice from him im not one of the people who thinks the sun shines because of donald trump, but if the cdc, lets say, if the federal government at some level had said, whoa, everybody warning, theres something serious here, everybody, every news station would have talked about it we all would have been talking about it the first time i did a special on it or a segment on it was in march where we talked to some people in italy and they were saying, hey, you guys are two weeks away from being italy, and we were already italy, right so i mean, what is your response to this and to the excuse thats been laid out . Well, joy, i think two things jump out at me one is theres always been a bit of a question with the Trump Administration as to how much of this is incompetence and how much of this is malevolence . And what we see here is trump knew the threat. Wed already had reports he was briefed in his president ial Daily Briefing about the threat from covid in january. There were questions about whether he reads those briefings. Clearly he read some briefings because he knew in february just how dangerous this is and he made the deliberate decision to play it down he may have had the reason for it, he wanted to not panic the stock market for instance, or he didnt want to create negative news in an Election Year the second and more important point in my mind is its not just trump trumps whole government played it down. The way in which the government acted at his direction was to not take this seriously, and as you said, even without trump, if the government was sounding the alarm bells in february, many, many lives would have been saved. Tens of thousands of lives would have been saved if we moved into lockdown with the same swift speed that we saw in European Countries and certainly in places like south korea. So here what you see is that mindset play it down, dont take it seriously. That mindset had very real world consequences for how the u. S. Government led by the white house operated in those key months of february and march, and that is why were sitting here today with nearly 200,000 americans dead instead of the kinds of numbers weve seen in other countries that are far, far lower. And you know, phillip, to come back to you just a moment we knew some stuff in march. I mean we knew there were a couple of senators who got in quite a bit of trouble, senators love letteffle loeffler and richard burr, some republicans got some briefings and they turned around and briefed their donors they made sure the rich people who gave them money were safe. This isnt just donald trump behaving this way. This was a lot of other people too, and as ben said, the government, other people had to have known donald trump, hes not exactly reading his intelligence briefings. Other people knew. One of those other people was bob woodward, and i wonder what you make of it, and i know that he is bob woodward and he has this great reputation, but at some point, what do you make of the fact that he didnt come forward with this story earlier if he had these conversations with donald trump in february and by march it was a public story including im sure in the Washington Post that senators were getting in trouble for down playing the virus . Yeah, well, joy, you know, bob woodward is a colleague and a friend at the post, but i dont speak for him, and i cant explain his Decision Making and his reporting process. Thats really a question for him. I do know that the way he documents in his book this was a lengthy reporting process to really try to figure it out. Clearly he had that conversation on february 7th with president trump, but i dont think he learned until several weeks after that, for example, about the january 28th briefing from robert obrien, the National Security adviser other elements of his reporting didnt come into full view until later in the spring. But, again, i dont speak for him, and i dont have full visibility into that process yeah, that is perfectly fair. We love having you on phil rucker thank you for being on i love being on with you, joy. Appreciate you. Thank you, ben rhodes going to be back a little bit later joining me now is ohio senator sherrod brown. I want to give you an opportunity to answer that same question i mean, donald trump obviously knew in january. There were senators who knew and who got in some trouble, senators Kelly Loeffler of georgia and richard burr who were actually letting their rich folks know there was a problem is it good enough for you the Trump Administration saying no, no, no he just didnt want to create a panic of course not i like what you said about it. I like what ben said, is it incompetence or malevolence . I dont know which it is its obviously both. I want to go back to that march date that is when we closed our office down, when all those things started happening in the United States and in the country of south korea, about 95 people in each country had died of coronavirus at that point south korea went to work their leaders did what they needed to do in the five months since then or so, about 200 South Koreans have died, about 190,000 americans have died. Its not because their doctors are better its because their leaders were bett better, and on top of that, south korea has an unemployment rate, i believe, still under about 4 , and ours is depending on how you measure, two or three times that so it was a question of there is no good answer for the president in this. Its not its not unexpected. He was as you suggest, he was probably scared of spooking the stock market he hoped that he could cover up through the whole presidency he has no experience in running a government, and what you said about the cdc, if this had been any other time and ive talked to people like tom frieden who ran the cdc and others the cdc should have been in charge of this if the cdc had been in charge and done the briefings and based on science and then the president of the United States, imagine if hed worn a mask back in march and talked to the public as adults, tens and tens and tens of thousands of people who have since died would still be alive there is no question our economy, our schools would probably be able to open safely. All the things that could have been if this president had shown any leadership and any candor. And you know, by the way, if dr. Fauci had been in charge, dr. Fauci at one point tells others, the president is on a separate channel, is unfocus instead meetings his Attention Span is like a minus number, his sole purpose is to get reelected. Let me let you listen to what joe biden has said about this whole mess. He knowingly and willingly lied about the threat imposed to the country for months he had the information he knew how dangerous it was now while this deadly disease ripped through our nation, he failed to do his job on purpose. It was a life and death betrayal of the American People. Senator, there have been 132,965 cases of covid in your state in ohio. There have been 4,324 people who have died. Thats more than died in 9 11 all over if you look at the number of people who were unemployed in this country, 13. 6 Million People are without their jobs meaning theyre at risk of losing their housing, and 5. 8 million were already unemployed by february is there anyone else that the country that Donald Trumps own supporters should blame besides him at this point . He didnt cause coronavirus, but a lot of those people would be alive had he been honest with the American People . Go back and make the contrast were 4 of the worlds population as you said on this show, were 22 of the worlds deaths. In my state, you put those numbers up about people who have gotten sick and died we also had 600,000 ohioans whose Unemployment Insurance just disappeared like that the 1st of august. What are they to do . I talked to a gentleman today who hes on the verge of perhaps eviction he doesnt know what to do his savings have run out he was making about 40,000 a year before. The 600 meant everything to him, and then i hear my millionaire colleagues on the senate floor say that 600 a week we shouldnt be giving them that much money the billionaires in the trump cabinet, we shouldnt be giving that 600 a week that 600 a week kept millions of people out of poverty and Mitch Mcconnell should be doing his job by bringing us together so we can do our jobs and meet the challenge of this virus and get this economy in a place that people can prosper again, and they have simply dropped their efforts since march in doing any of that. An oligarchy is when the well off get advance knowledge and the opportunity to save themselves from the kind of disaster that covid is, and everybody else just gets the shaft, and we are in a bad state of affairs senator sherrod brown, really appreciate you talking the senators that continue to do trumps bidding and mcconnells bidding is just the spineless members of the senate, how history will look at them for never standing up to this president , thousands of people dying, millions of people losing their jobs ill never understand their spinelessness. Thanks, joy. Senator sherrod brown, of course, you and me both, sir you and me both. Thanks for being here. Up next, more of bob woodwa woodwards explosive reporting including the top official who thought putin had compromised donald trump and trumps thoughts on whether he had a responsibility to feel the pain of black americans. No, you really drank the koola koolaid, didnt you listen to you, wow no, i dont feel that at all plus, bill barr now wants to use your tax dollars to defend trump in a lawsuit brought by a woman who claimed trump raped her. Back with more of the reidout after this oducing oreida potat. Where oreida golden crinkles are your crispy currency to pay for bites of this. With this. When kids wont eat dinner, potato pay them to. Oreida. Win at mealtime. Eve going faster than a closerollercoaster potato pay them to. Love like yours will surely come my way ahey, aheyhey [music playing] love like yours will surely come my way like the visit a doctor anywhere our rv takes us plan. And the zero copays means more money for rumba lessons plan. Find the right plan for you from unitedhealthcare. Get medicare with more. Find the right plan for you from unitedhealthcare. Alice loves the scent of gain so much, she wished there was a way to make it last longer. Say hello to your fairy godmother alice. And longlasting gain scent beads. Part of the irresistible scent collection from gain the bomb shells from Bob Woodwards new book extend far beyond his down playing of the Coronavirus Crisis to concern from the socalled adults in the room over trumps National Security, of the countrys National Security with trump in charge according to the excerpts the Washington Post obtained, former defense secretary jim mattis told former director of National Intelligence dan coats that there may come a time when we have to take collective action since trump is dangerous. Hes unfit and according to excerpts that cnn obtained, woodward writes that coats harbored the secret belief one that had grown rather thanlessened, although unsupported by intelligence proof that put putin had something on trump how else to explain the president s behavior, coats could see no other explanation back with me is former deputy National Security adviser to president obama. Theres so much in this book youve got mattis telling coats the president has no moral compass, that they may have to do something to remove him or do something because hes a danger. You now have a whistleblower who said that the department of Homeland Security officials distorted intelligence to match trumps statements and lie to congress theyre saying the Trump Administrations Homeland Security officials violated laws and policies by lying to congress, manipulating intelligence reports to conform to trumps political agenda. Brian murphy who was a Top Department of Homeland Security intelligence analysis served from march 2018 to 2020, chad wolf telling mr. Murphy to stop providing any intel on russian interference chad wolf dhs secretary having ken cuccinelli, his deputy to modify intelligence to make it look like antifa was a threat. Your thoughts on that . Well, it should be chilling to every american, joy i mean, the role of the department of Homeland Security is to secure our election infrastructure to work with the 50 states to make sure that our elections are not subject to foreign attack, and in 2016 dhs worked with every one of those states to see if there were ways the Senate Intelligence committee reported out that russia was actually proving the voter rolls in some states this is not an exercise, joy russia is probably doing this again. If you have dhs changing intelligence assessments to meet the president s phony version of reality that puts the security of our elections at risk listen to that report and also the book, joy, look, its all well and good to read about this in a book, but if jim mattis or any of these people know things that the American People need to know, they need to tell us you know, if not now, when if not you, then who weve got two months left to save our democracy my hope is a lot of people do what this whistleblowers done at dhs and come forward and tell us what they know about the danger that this president poses not just to our democracy but as weve talked about, to our health and safety in this country. Well, i mean, yeah, mattis resigned from his position like a month after donald trump dissed our war dead but still had time for putin, right, while he was in france he was gone a month later. He wrote a book, didnt put any of this in it. It is interesting that these guys are coming forward to bob woodward but not publicly as publicly we also have a whistleblower complaint saying kerr stristin n that she lied to congress, gave false testimony in december of 2018 about the number of suspected terrorists crossing the border theyre inventing cooked books intelligence to make it look like terrorists are crossing the southern border to justify what they were doing to children and migrants on the southern border, but down playing the threat of russia isnt that exactly what donald trump was demanding when he came into office and he wanted the Intel Community to subordinate itself to him. That does not sound like a democracy. No, its a government that is utilized to serve the political interests of the president of the United States, even if those interests fly in the face of reality or real threats to the American People. Theyve consistently down played the threat of russia, also joy, they have down played in some cases the reports that theyve suppressed information in dhs about the threat from white extremists, white supremacist terrorism in this country as early as the beginning days of the Trump Administration, and now we see what a danger that can pose in some of our communities as well. Theyve consistently taken information that doesnt comport with Donald Trumps political agenda, whether its about russia whether its about sothe violene from some of his own supporters while hyping nonexistent threats like terrorists in caravans trying to come across our southern border. We need to get back to a government focused on reality. Again, this is connected to covid. If you listen to reality, listen to experts, listen to scientists who tell American People the facts, it leads you to very different outcomes than the ones that donald trump is pursuing as president. Yeah, i dont know about you, ben, but i would have liked to have known if senior officials inside the administration were compromised by russia. That would have been good information for the American People to have, just saying. Ben rhodes, thank you as always. Appreciate your time tonight more bomb shells from bob woodward including trump mocking the very idea that White Privilege exists in america. Stay with us when the world gets complicated, a lot goes through your mind. With fidelity wealth management, your dedicated adviser can give you straightforward advice and tailored recommendations. Thats the clarity you get with fidelity wealth management. privilege exists in america. ede . Correct agerelated volume loss in cheeks with Juvederm Voluma xc, add fullness to lips with juvederm ultra xc and smooth moderate to severe lines around the nose and mouth with juvederm xc. 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He also complained about his lack of support among black voters telling woodward, im not feeling any love perhaps thats because trump has a way of dismissing any problem he isnt equipped to handle, be it coronavirus or racial strife further revealed in this recorded exchange between woodward and trump on race do you have any sense that that privilege has isolated and put you in a cave to a certain extent, as it put me and i think lots of White Privileged people in a cave, and that we have to work our way out of it to understand the anger and the pain, particularly black people feel in this country do you no, you really drank the koolaid, didnt you listen to you, wow no, i dont feel that at all. Joining me now is democratic strategist and former republican congressman david jolly. You know trump, he also decide that had he wanted to refer to president obama as barack husain he said i wouldnt do it in his face to be nice, ha ha ha. What do you make of this little revelation from the book not a surprise at all, but with respect to White Privilege, trump is the very definition of White Privilege. He is a living, breathing example of the full embodiment of White Privilege and then when it comes to all the stereotypes that he tries to foist on black people, every single one of them is applicable to him the laziness, watching tv all day, the criminality, not just him but all those people around him who have engaged in criminality. Mike flynn, paul manafort, steve bannon, and we could go on and on and on, so i think part of it is that trump resents in so many ways president obama, and he resents him because he knows that hes superior to him, and he just cant get past it. So this is no surprise, and as to be expected, and worse off, his policies are reflective of these views. Yeah, i mean, you know, president obama didnt need somebody to like, you know, nudge the Nobel Committee to give him a nobel peace prize, and he didnt need anybody to take his College Exams for him he just got into harvard by himself. Were just going to leave it there. David jolly, theres more in this book. It just goes on and on and on. On north korea from the woodward book, trump was taken with kim jongun. He really loved him, and they exchanged wonderful letters woodward writes telling the author pridefully that kim had addressed him as excellencekim tells me everything including a graphic account of kim having his uncle killed this fascination and fetish for dictators is on full display here it sortd of also goes with it, donald trump respects people who earned power by inheriting it, kim jongun, who flashes his power around the country violently and never leaves office like he doesnt inherent the people who have earned the glory. It does kind of all go together. The most damning parts of this book are what his senior advisers have said about him, and in the case of north korea, you look at what jim mattis said that the president is dangerous and unfit, and i think what story will live on from this is exactly that, that this is a president whose dangerous on matters of National Security but joy, if i could, i want to revisit the race issue because theres something that should be deeply concerning about that entire xchange, and its subtle, but its important when donald trump is presented with that question from bob woodward, his response indicates that he approaches the issue of race along the lines of we versus them. That white people shouldnt fall for the narrative of black america. Its a we versus them paradigm as opposed to approaching the paradigm of one of injustice that deserves to be cured, not just the historic injustices but the fact that we have a manifestation of injustice today thats represented in socioeconomic disparity along the lines of education and employment and health care and profiling and sentencing, housing, ladders of opportunity. That is what we should expect of a politician regardless of what their policy response would be to that, the recognition of the disparity is where he misses this entire conversation on race and i think its deeply revealing. The woodward book shows us a president unable to lead on domestic policy and of deeply troubling concerned National Security leaders for how he handles matters on the global stage as well. I mean, when you combine the cohen book with the woodward book, i mean, cohen writes that donald trump has said that black people and hispanics are too stupid to vote for him here hes like im not feeling the love he feels entitle instead a paternalistic way for people of color that he cant stand. Its an interesting dynamic. Who he can stand is autocrats. He does love them. This is from Michael Cohen here he is talking to Rachel Maddow this was on tuesday. He wants to be an autocrat. He wants to be the president of this country for life. He wants to be just like putin, just like kim jongun, just like he craves this he doesnt want to run for president. Thats why he says what about 12 more years, 12 more years. Hes not joking. Understand, donald trump doesnt have a sense of humor. Tara in the woodward book you have trump reflecting on his relationships with authoritarian leaders generally including the turkish president. Its funny, he says, the relationships i have the tougher and meaner they are the better i get along with them explain that to me someday listen, you know donald trump, is he talk about the donald trump that you dealt with on the apprentice versus the donald trump now. At that time would you have pegged him for a want to be dictator or has he diminished or been changed in some way in your view i think his worst instincts have been indulged theyve been indulged by the Republican Party thats refused to hold him accountable for anything theyve been indulged by his base who refuses to hold him accountable, and in fact, cheers on his worst pathologies i think you take donald trump who on the apprentice was the king on the apprentice he was the king of the show it was his show. Everything was around him, was created to cater to him around him, and then you also add to that as a Real Estate Developer in new york, he got away with a lot of stuff he should have been in prison before any of the criminality that hes engaged in as president. But then you give a personality like that, a man like that, you give him all of this power and no accountability, and this is the result and of course donald trump is someone, as weve said over and over again, who only cares about himself, and what haunts me, joy, is that you hear people say things like look at these atrocities that happened around the world. How did these things happen . Well, were watching right now were witnessing right now how those things happen. Thats the moment were in right now. 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Over the past three and a half years, donald trump has tried to use almost every facet of the federal government for his own personal benefit, and now hes looking for you, the american taxpayer to cover the cost for his Legal Defense over a Sexual Assault allegation from before he was even president think of it as you being trumps personal go fund me. Youre welcome late yesterday in an unprecedented move the department of justice announced it will take over and replace trumps personal defense team in a defamation lawsuit brought on by columnist e. Gejean carroll attorney general william barr has taken on the mantle of roy cohn joining me now a former federal prosecutor cynthia, simple question, in any universe is this proper or legal what william barr is doing well, he can legally do it. It doesnt mean its going to work, but he can legally do it what happens in these types of cases is classically, lets say youre an agent investigating something for the federal government you go to houston, and you get in a car accident, and the federal government will take that over if you got in a car accident in the course and scope of your employment, your duty, when youre going to your investigation. If on the other hand you went to a bar and got drunk and killed somebody, they dont take it over thats really what were battling about here. This defamation, when this woman accused him of rape and he came back and said not only do i not know you, youre doing this for money. Youve accused other people, and youre ugly, when he made those defamatory statements, was he acting in the course and scope of his employment. And you know, any reasonable person would say thats not what the president of the United States does in the course and scope of his employment. But barr has done something that hes used the law in sort of an evil genius way to put this off after the election and thats what hes done. Its wrong its unethical in my opinion its an abuse of the process and a torturing of the department of justice once again, but he is going to get away with it. At least until the election. This is the problem i have with it, at least until the election in the clinton in the bill clinton administration, paula jones sued him it was a civil suit based on her allegation that hed made sexual advances to her unwanted before he was president , when he was governor of arkansas right her civil suit, it went all the way to the Supreme Court on whether or not she was allowed to continue suing the president of the United States because he was doing his official duty as president at the time. All the way through, 90 case at the Supreme Court saying, yes, she could sue him. How can possibly this case be set aside when that case was not . Well, i dont think it ultimately will be set aside because i do not believe when you defame somebody in the course defame Somebody Just because you happen to be in the office, but when you defame somebody about a rape that occurred many, many years before you were president , thats not going to be a way to get away with it. But it is this statute, thats the evil genius of barr this statute is allowing him to postpone it, not forever i dont think the federal judge is going to in the end say, oh, yes, that was in the course and scope of your employment, but it does allow for the postponement, and there is an argument the frustrating thing about it is, for example, the attorney general today made this big announcement, oh, yeah, theres a case right on point in d. C the d. C. Law doesnt control this new york law does, and he knows that right. But its enough to give him the hook to be the evil genius to postpone this after the election its not right, but it is working to do the postponing is there a chance that when this administration is over and one day it will be over in one way or another, that william barr will face something, some sanction on his law license, lawsuits against him or maybe even prosecution i dont know one wonders whether hes just going to get away with it himself. Well, there is a bar complaint that was filed by some very prestigious people in the d. C. Bar im not sure where thats going, but there is, in fact, a complaint thats been filed. Well, we shall see. Cynthia alksne, thank you very much really appreciate you being here tonight. All right, and coming up next, the historic week in 1968 when Harry Belafonte sat in for Johnny Carson as host of the tonight show. Its the subject of a documentary im proud to be a part of. 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I am joined now by joan wal walsh, producer for the documentary the sitin, which i helped coexecutive produce and im also joined by the director of the documentary as well as producer Valerie Thomas. Its a friends segment here. So i want to start with you, ms. Joan tell us the story. I already know the story but tell everybody how this happened it happened with a column. It happened with a column because i was really thinking it was going to be a documentary, except i had no idea how to do that because thats not my thing, joy and so i wrote a piece in the nation, and you had me on a. M. Joy, your old show and at the end of it, you turned to me and you said, this is a documentary. And i was like, i think so, too. And, so, we were on our way after that and then it was a who are you going to call ghost busters moment val, tell us about this process. We know just because we were in this process that the hardest thing was finding any footage, you know, of this, which is crazy to think there isnt footage of this. But let me play a little bit of a clip because this is some of the footage that did exist im delighted to be here, harry. Do you have in store for us this summer . I feel that we are in the midst of a most critical period in our nation, and the economic problem is probably the most serious problem confronting the Negro Community and poor people generally. So, val, talk about the prospect of making a documentary of something people dont know this story but without a lot of footage to fill in the blanks. Yeah. That was our biggest challenge joan had learned when she wrote her article that, in fact, only two of the interviews were Martin Luther king and Robert Kennedy and five minutes of the lovely folk singer who sang suzanne still existed because nbc had the practice of taping over their tapes so we knew this was a story that need to be told but we had to tell it without that footage so we went deep diving for amazing archival, which we found, and i think we successfully brought the week to life, all the various guests, the incredibly rich, you know, life of harry belfonte, all that stuff we were able to build with other footage. But we were in a little bit of a pickle there for a while, but i think we pulled it off. Its a challenge. Talk about this. Talk about what you learned in doing this project well, i learned you know, i had always known, obviously who Harry Belafonte was and his significance as an entertainer, but i didnt know how deep it was in bringing the Civil Rights Movement to mainstream america thats part of what he did on the show that week also, he, as a really one of the first multimedia entertainers, a huge star in television and film, in music. So really being able to dig in to the tentacles, all the tentacles that harry had with such a pleasure, it was an amazing experience to be able to direct this film. Yeah. Absolutely and, joan, very quickly, tell us some of the people who were interviewed during that amazing week oh, so, you know, we know about dr. King and bobby kennedy. But, you know, paul newman had never been on a talk show before we have diane carol, frieda payne, aretha franklin, petula clark we actually got to interview her as well as buffy e at the time. And also the number of women that he had. I dont know that we make enough of this in the film, but its an amazing number of brave men and women. Its just absolutely. And im going to give you the final word on this what will people learn thats new about the Civil Rights Era from this film actually i think they will learn a lot. They will learn about the in 1968, a few months before dr. King was killed what a pickle we were in in terms of the different clashing between the traditional Civil Rights Movement and the more militant the more militant parts of it and how harry was a go between them. Well also learn about his about how harry helped Robert Kennedy evolve on issues of race i think those are the two most, you know, poignant pieces that you will get in terms of the Civil Rights Movement and harrys role in it from the film yeah. Absolutely well, congratulations, ladies. The sitin premiers tomorrow on peacock and right here on msnbc this saturday at 10 00 p. M. Eastern everybody please check it out. 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