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And on the democratic side, its even closer. Hillary clinton leading senator Bernie Sanders by just three points. And republican frontrunner donald trump will begin his day in Council Bluffs, iowa. Nbcs Kerry Sanders is live for us there. Kerry, we seem to learn so much about Donald Trumps campaign from his twitter feed. Hes already saying that he and his wife melania plan to head to church and he has a couple of events after that. You know, hes barnstorming the state. Hes doing what politicians do. He calls this now crunch time. And as you said, he will be going to church. And then hell be coming here to Council Bluffs to the middle school here, where he will be meeting with, once again, he hopes a large crowd on a sunday. There may be people who choose to go to Church Rather than come here. Well wait to see. Really at this point its now down to the final hours where those who are going to participate in the caucus have to make their decision. Were tired of being pushed around. We want to regain our standing in the world. And you know, lets be realistic about where were headed in the future. Were going to like greece . Europe . Is that where we want to be. Do i plan on caucusing for him . I dont know yet. Hes a little bombastic. A little over the top sometimes. But, its not necessarily a bad thing. I dont know. It feels like kind of at a rock concert. I think its kind of cool. He builds up a lot of excitement. He gets people, you know, excited about what could happen. So i think thats a good thing. We need that. The most critical vote in iowa is the evangelical vote. In 2012, 57 of those who participated in the caucuses selfidentified as evangelical. It may be why donald trump was shown holding his family bible. A bible that he says that his mother gave him. A visual to go to that audience that may or may not choose to support him come caucus night. Kerry, donald trump actually posted a video on facebook a short time ago holding that bible. Hes been carrying it around iowa. Lets face it, its not the bible, its the ground game that he has to focus on to get people out, evangelical or otherwise. And we keep hearing over and over about his supporters being firsttime caucusgoers. What are you seeing on the ground as far as his effort to educate those people . I saw one report that some of his team members who are training who are planning to help firsttime caucusgoers are firsttime caucusgoers themself if any of this makes any sense at this point. The ground game is one that looks like were going to have to see if it really comes together. Because a lot of this ground game has been on the internet. People connecting through facebook and other social media. And getting information on where to go. But, not quite understanding maybe how the caucus process works. But theres one sort of caveat in all of this. Back in the last caucus four years ago, 40 of the people who participated in caucuses, the first time that they had ever done it. While there may be a whole new group of people showing up to participate in the caucus, its not unusual for there to be people whove never done it before. Of course on the republican side its a lot easier. They go to a room and write down their ballot after they discuss a little bit. The democratic side is far more complicated and difficult. All right, kerry. Thank you very much. Joining us now from des moines, iowa, is someone who is looking certainly to make his mark in tomorrow nights caucuses. Republican president ial candidate, kentucky senator rand paul. Welcome, senator. Thank you so much for waking up with us this morning. Thanks for having me lets talk about your ground game. Ive read some interesting comments from you. I know that right now you are in fifth place, 23 points behind donald trump. But you have about 1,000 precinct captains there for you trying to rally your ground game. Why are you confident at this hour . If you come to our headquarters in des moines youll see over 100 young men and women making phone calls. Theyve made a million phone calls in iowa. Ive been out knocking on doors. 1,000 precinct chairs is pretty formidable. I dont know that any other campaign has announced that many precinct chairs. So we think we do have a great ground game. We also think that the youth vote is underrepresented in polling. Often if you look at these polls theres nobody under 30, even in the poll, period. Because all the young people are on cell phones. I havent met a college kid whos ever had a president ial poll. So we think were going to do very well with the youth vote because of my opposition to the government collecting our phone records. Because of my support for privacy, and because of my support for letting people be left alone. Its an interesting point you make about the polls, considering your frontrunner is poll obsessed. And it appears that this campaign this season more than any other has been a polldriven poll obsessed dialogue. So it sounds as if your confidence right now does not lie in the numbers that we are looking at that puts you at 5 . Yeah, and another thing that the polls arent picking up, is they ask in the most recent des moines poll, they said who did you vote for in 2012 . And my dads percentages arent much ahead of mine, and yet he got 22 . So we think theres a lot of what we call the liberty vote thats not being counted yet in the polling, either. But even still, these polls are faulty or not when you look at the average all of them show donald trump in the lead. The frontrunner, and he has been since the summer, im curious on your thoughts why donald trump is resonating. You may have heard the sound from the man this morning, our colleague interviewer who said it really is about strength. I heard someone yesterday, a voter in iowa, say hes a Small Business owner, like donald trump is a Small Business owner. Im not sure how he processed that. But its almost as if theres a Jedi Mind Trick going on that these people believe they can relate to donald trump. You know, im a Small Business owner. I was a smalltown physician. But i never went bankrupt so i do have some differences with donald trump. I do think, though, that when you look at the differences between trump and myself, trump says hes smart and hes rich. Give him power and hell fix everything. I say that power corrupts, and that i dont want a great deal of power in the presidency, republican or democrat. I believe in limiting the power. Having checks and balances. And im very suspicious of too much power in a central government. And so, im kind of the opposite of donald trump in the sense that im not presumptuous enough to know that i have all the answers. I want to leave that power, much of that power to the states and to the people respectively. But youve also presented yourself as the opposite, as well to ted cruz, the person who is second or even tied, depending on the polls, with donald trump. You attacked him heavily during the debate on amnesty, and how he projects, i guess his standing when you look at the other candidates. With that said, this is your one in two. Two people as you said you could not be further away from, philosophy, policywise, but they are battling it out for the one and two spots. Why . Well, you know, well see. I think we dont know until people vote. So i think we need to give more credence to actually what happens in the election. You know, in kentucky, just a couple of months ago, every poll said that the democrat would win by five points, and the republican ended up winning by nine. They were all 14 points in the last week, in a twoperson race. I have a feeling we could be off five or ten points with any of these candidates. Even the polls themselves are plus or minus five margin of error. So i think really were going to find that there could be some surprises, plus it will be much more exciting news if we dont know the election beforehand. Well, that would be exciting news, certainly, considering again i bet weve been poll obsessed. Quickly ive got to ask you, senator cruz said if donald trump wins iowa, he runs away with the whole thing. Do you believe that to be the case . No, i think the election will go on for awhile. Because i think there are a lot of us who are alarmed by having donald trump as the nominee. Ive been one who says we have to have a bigger, better, bolder party. That means a more Diverse Party and i think donald trump will make us the sort of the lilywhite party, which is not going to win any elections, frankly. And i worry about him scaring people away based on sort of ethnic generalities which i dont think are good for our party, or good for the country. I know youve spoken a lot about ferguson, the criminal justice system, things that you hope resonate, if not in iowa, further down the road. Senator paul, thank you so much for your time. I greatly appreciate it. Thank you. Absolutely. For the latest on the democratic race, we turn now to nbcs kristen welker. Shes live for us, in iowas capital of des moines. Kristen, good morning to you. The last chance, of course, for the candidates to sway undecided voters, and we know that Hillary Clintons team is focused on the pushback regarding new details about her immaemails and what in them. Thats absolutely right the final hours here in iowa, tamron. Look this race here on the democratic side is still anyones to win. Secretary clinton has a slim lead over Bernie Sanders, but shes not taking anything for granted. And sanders isnt letting up. The Democratic Candidates crisscrossing iowa late into the night saturday. With just hours to go. For Hillary Clinton, it was all hands on deck. I am so proud to support my mom. She is the single best change maker i have ever known. Reporter husband bill and daughter chelsea, helping deliver the final pitch. Thank you, bill, thank you, chelsea. Reporter clinton is entering the home stretch with a boost. Saturdays Des Moines Register bloomberg poll shows her with a slim lead over rival Bernie Sanders. 45 to 42 . And the New York Times endorsed her. Calling her one of the most broadly, and deeply qualified, president ial candidates in modern history. I hope that well be able to persuade you to join us to make progress for our country. Earlier in the day clinton tried to turn the page after the state department determined 22 emails from the former sects private server were top secret. Clinton telling nbc news she didnt generate them. This is an inner agency dispute. And its playing out in public, and i want it resolved. Reporter senator sanders is still riding a wave of insurgent excitement. Buoyed by young voters who overwhelmingly support him. People said it was a fringe campaign. Doesnt look like a fringe campaign tonight. And now the battle being waged in campaign war rooms. Clinton and sanders have both built up armies of volunteers, ready to fight, determined to win. I havent seen this excitement for so long. Theres got to be something about this crazy old guy, right . We are here to help democrats and to hopefully get Hillary Clinton elected president. Now tamron, if those young voters turn out in force, it could hand a victory to Bernie Sanders. Thats what happened back in 2008, when thensenator barack obama, young voters by a margin of about four to one. Both sanders and clinton have another Relentless Campaign scheduled today that will last late into the night. Tamron. Well be following right along with you. Thank you so much. Stay with msnbc as we count down to the Iowa Caucuses. Dont miss our special primetime coverage tonight starting at 8 00 eastern. And up next, how a near70,000 people could decide the fate of the republican candidates. Well dig into those numbers right after a quick break. Beth by kiss beth, i hear you calling. But i cant come home right now. Me and the boys are playing. All nig t text beth, what can i do. [siri ] message. Pick up milk. Oh, right. Milk. Introducing the newly redesigned passat. From volkswagen. I built my business with passion. But i keep it growing by making every dollar count. Thats why i have the spark cash card from capital one. 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Now it is effectively a twoman race. Im just trying to get as many people to caucus for me as possible. I dont know what that leads to other than success. I feel good about it. I really do. The top three republicans in iowa, theyre all trying to fire up their supporters before monday night. Joining me now to talk more about it, Washington Post National Political correspondent, thanks to much for joining. And our panel here with us Merry Christmas eve i mean merry caucus eve. Festivus for the rest of us. Our panel is here, former Campaign Manager for bobby jindal, Bernard Whitman former pollster to president bill clinton and Lauren Victoria Burke managing editor for politics 365. Thank you all for joining us. Karen, lets start off with you first by the numbers in the ground game. You heard donald trump say the very same thing that were hearing on both sides with democrats as well. It Means Nothing if we cannot get these supporters out. Its interesting with donald trump. His supporters have all lined up behind him. They are convincing their guy, except for the fact that theyre about 46 of the voters in iowa who have not decided who they want to support. By the numbers how does this play out as you see it . Well, i think the poll the Des Moines Register poll that we were all waiting for last night is a pretty good indicator of where things stand at this moment. But, what it does suggest is that, particularly i think on the democratic side, its, you know, its anyones ball game right now between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton. This is a very, very close race. And, you know, the trumps model, hes right. Who would have ever thought wed have heard donald trump saying the polls dont matter. But, hes right in that his whole path to victory is premised on all kinds of people showing up to these caucuses who never have done it before. When we look at it, theres a high turnout that would help sanders and trump, i keep hearing people say these are first time caucusgoers. They were caucusgoers who supported a man named barack obama and stunned the world. So are we overplaying that line, because this election has upended everything thats been conventional wisdom . So you go to the memorization things like first time caucusgoers . I would say this. Its a good line to go to because if you get four years ago 121,000 people caucused and the republican side and if it goes over 150,000 this time around i think its trumps win. Under 150,000 i think cruz takes it. So, theres got to be a lot of new voters. What the Voter Registration rolls in iowa, there havent been really an alignment like there was with barack obama where theres this influx of new registered voters. When you look at, lauren, 45 could still be persuaded, another number im always fascinated by, when you think about, when you hear from iowa voters who say they cannot take another ad. If they hear or see another ad their televisions will explode and the family dog will run out. Right. So who are these undecideds at this point . I think just like everybody else in the country, thinking hey, can we vote for this person, donald trump . Theyre thinking the same thing that everybody else has been thinking the entire year. Can this person win . Is this the person . And theres just something in me that feels like well see someone else winning tomorrow. Cruz, rubio, obviously theres a big rumor of a rubio surge. Im not sure that i completely believe that. But, there is something about that big undecided that would indicate that they havent decided on trump. Yeah. But i know youre saying that like the rest of the voters out there, theyre saying if youre a republican, can you vote for donald trump . But bernard, iowans have been up close to the fire. I mean, they see the Trump Force One roll into town and theyve seen him more intimately and also been inundated with ads who have pointed out that some evangelicals believe hes a phony when it comes to his faith. That he has not provided any specifics other than to make America Great again. Yet his support among white evangelicals is very, very high. I think youre going to see a very tight race on both sides. Ultimately i think that trump will narrowly edge cruz. I think that Hillary Clinton will narrowly edge Bernie Sanders. If you look at the internals on the race between clinton and sanders thats where you have a lot of advantages for hillary. Y . Because the first time caucusgoers are much less likely to vote. The best predictor of whether youre going to show up is if youve shown up before. If youre over 65 youre much more likely to vote. She has a huge advantage in this group. Hillary clinton supporters, about four in five of them are saying she is my candidate, im not going to change my mind. Bernie sanders, only two in three. We have to remember in the Iowa Caucuses you have to go there, you have to discuss, you have to debate. Shes got an edge in those caucus rooms because i think her supporters are more committed to her and believe in her electability over Bernie Sanders. Karen, thats a great point that was made, when you see the split screen of their final rallies yesterday, youve got Bernie Sanders, with, you know, the young crowd, and its very vibrant, and then there was a split screen of an event with Hillary Clinton yesterday and people described them as less enthusiastic, and old, but those are the people precisely that will show up for her. I saw two different interviews with Young College students. One said he had class. The other said im going to try to make it. That has to sink Bernie Sanders heart when you hear a supporter say i love him, im enthusiastic, oh, ill try to make it. Yeah. And you know, again, this is the question, this is the big question. I remember, though, when the Des Moines Register poll came out in 2008, i was on the Hillary Clinton bus, and you know, mark penn put out a memo that day saying look, you know, this are these are people who arent going to show up. So, again, well see when we see. But the, you know, kind of wonderful thing about iowa is it seems like every four years they just delight in proving the pundit okay raes wrong. Thats true. But dont they want to pick a president . I mean they have had mike huckabee, santorum, and im sure that theyre very proud of those votes at the time, but does iowa want to pick a president . You know, there is just not a lot of evidence that that is the thing that drives iowa voters. And i dont know republican especially on the republican side. And you know, again, i just dont see all that much evidence in the polling or in the crowds that that has changed. All right, karen, thank you. Thank you to our panel. All of you for the first time. Sleep in on sunday. This is an exciting sunday. Thank you so much. Well be back with our panel later in the hour. Up next, though, the New York Times endorses Hillary Clinton late yesterday. In the race for the democratic nomination. Im sure you heard the news. Calling Bernie Sanders plans to achieve his goals unrealistic. Well well talk with senator sanders Campaign Manager to get the reaction to that endorsement, as well as the new information from the state department on Hillary Clintons emails. Hey pal . You ready . Can you pick me up at 6 30 . Ah. boy im here im here cop too late. I was gone for five minutes ugh move it. Youre killing me. You know what, dad . 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I think we cannot continue our dependence on fossil fuel. Secretary clinton eventually came around, and opposed the keystone pipeline. That was Hillary Clinton, of course Bernie Sanders making their closing arguments to voters yesterday in iowa. The candidates have seven events across the state later today. And joining me now from des moines, sanders Campaign Manager jeff weaver. Good to see you. Thanks for joining me this morning. Hi, tamron. Lets talk about the new poll out. It shows this race belongs to anyone. Will senator sanders pull out a victory monday night . Well, look, were working very, very hard here. The truth is, is that both candidates have enough voters supporting them to win here. Its going to all be a question of turnout, who comes out, if we get our people out we can win here. We will win. Our turnout depends heavily on college voters. I said before the break i saw two interviews with very enthusiastic college supporters. Young people who are all about feeling the bern, as one said. But one said he had class. The other person said i would try to make it there. How do you get those young people who are showing up for the rallies to get there tomorrow night . Right, well, were reaching out to them quite aggressively on social media, through their social networks, and i think were going to have a lot of success getting them out. This was a similar criticism, i think just pointed out, about the Obama Campaign in 2008 and obviously, they all came out for senator obama. So, were hopeful, we see a lot of energy out there. Ive got to tell you, you know, we are very, very popular with college students. Young people, but weve been to small towns all around iowa and theres a lot of enthusiasm among workingclass people, and middleincome people who want to deal with this rigged economy. Lets talk about the state departments latest revelation that 22 emails from Hillary Clintons home server were deemed top secret. Her campaign makes the point that it was after the fact. Everyone, when this news broke, it seems, on cable news anyway, went back to that moment when senator sanders on the debate said on the debate stage said he did not care about the email scandal, essentially. Whats the reaction now to this news . Does this hurt Hillary Clinton . I think what he said at the time was im sick of hearing about your damn emails. Right. Is what he said. You know, ill repeat now what he told chris cuomo after the debate, which was, there is an investigation going on, theres a Legal Process going on. We should let that process go forward. Lets not politicize it, and it will come out how it comes out. But in the mean time, let us talk about the real issues facing the american people. Our rigged economy. Held up by a corrupt system of campaign finance. The need for health care reform. The need to protect the environment. These are the issues that people want to hear about. How are you going to send your kids to college . Thats what the senator is focusing on here in iowa. Jeff is it politicizing for the campaign for senator sanders to say or to express concern of what this could mean if Hillary Clinton gets the nomination that this is not just a cloud that hovers over her head its an investigation that could ultimately impact her if she gets the nomination just as youve made the point and the campaign has made the point about her taking money for speeches in the hundreds of thousands, is that politicizing or is that pointing out something that senator sanders believes is a distinction sne . Well, in this case there is a Legal Process going on right now, by the obama administration, to look into this. And we should just let that process go forward. Thats what we should do. All right. Jeff weaver, thank you so much for joining us. Happy to be here. 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A higher form of intelligence has arrived. Welcome back. The leaders of an antiabortion group unite behind a common cause this week. They say its anyone but trump. In an open letter to iowa voters released tuesday the heads of iowa and National Group said we urge iowa caucusgoers and voters to support anyone but trump on the issue of defending unborn children and protecting women from the violence of abortion. Mr. Trump cannot be trusted and joinding me now one of the authors of that letter penny nantz, the president of the concerned women for america. Penny, thanks so much for joining us. Thanks for having me. Donald trump has said over and over, and he actually wrote, let me be clear, i am prolife. I did not always hold this position, but i have a significant personal experience that brought the precious gift of life into perspective for me. Do you believe Donald Trumps statement . Well, the devil is in the details, isnt it . What does prolife mean to him . As you mentioned i was joined by ten prolife Women Leaders from iowa, National Leaders from around the country, who are very concerned about his position on life, and protecting the least of these. And so we have urged iowa voters to consider very seriously this choice. The other issue that you didnt bring up that we mentioned in the letter is our concern of his treatment of women. He is the only person in this race who has certainly profited from the exploitation of women. His his casino in Atlantic City hosted a strip club and so we thought that was very important for iowa voters to know, on top of all the things he said, and the other issues around him, that character is important. Character counts. And so, we believe, as you know, 60 of the voters, the evangelical christians, this would be Important Information for them. And saz you said, ten others signed that letter with you, but when you look at some of the numbers right now the Des Moines Register, iowa evangelical caucusgoers, 33 right now support senator cruz. 19 support trump. But hes had a sizable number of evangelical leaders, including Jerry Falwell jr. , to come out and support him. Number of other women conservatives, sarah palin endorsing him. Why are you right about donald trump, and they are wrong . You know, i respect Jerry Falwell jr. , and sarah palin. These are people that i care about. And, you know, i respect their opinions. But why are they wrong . We had to tell the truth about what we see as the issues here. Donald trump, although he says hes prolife, has only pointed out one person by the way, you know this tamron, that the key on this issue is going to be Supreme Court justices. Up to four Supreme Court justices could be appointed in this next administration. It could be as high as that many. So row v. Wade could be changed greatly by who we choose as president. The only person who donald trump has mentioned as the kind of justice he would choose is his sister mary ann trump who struck down the partial birth abortion ban act in new jersey. Shes very much to the left of iowa voters on the issue of life. And theres other other details i could point out. But i would was saying the key point here, im saying for iowa voters, is character. They are there are several great choices in that race for them to choose from. Many and women of character, who have a record, a proven record on the issue of life and marriage and other social issues. We think of the other eight, nine women who join me that there are better choices than donald trump in this election, in this particular race. But would your message be more effective if you endorsed someone rather than saying anyone but trump . You see the polling there. So that hes neck and neck with ted cruz, for example, why not then lend your voices to supporting ted cruz and perhaps helping him pull out a victory in iowa . Because everyone on that letter probably had a different candidate that they supported. And maybe thats the case thats going on in iowa right now. I would suggest that that probably is the case. The evangelical vote, the prolife vote is split. But we all came together in agreement. And actually i think that is really important, that we all came around the idea that Donald Trumps credentials on the issue of life are not clear. But it sounds like your organization reflects whats happening in iowa. The ten of you could not dock to a consensus of supporting one person you would split all your votes, and thats why donald trump may win on monday night. That might be the case. But let me just say something, though, iowa is a great group of people. We have a great number of members in that state. But, its only the first state. 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And that was princeton professor and activist cornell west hitting the campaign trail this week for senator Bernie Sanders. Im joined by former ohio state senator nina turner who recently announced her endorsement for senator sanders. Thanks so much for joining me. Thanks, tamron. I have to tell you, i tweeted out that rand paul would be joining us, and i tweeted out that you would be joining and we got more retweets and comments both positive and ill be honest with you negative about your decision so explain to the people out there who may have been surprised given that you were very, very loyal to barack obama, that you have decided to support Bernie Sanders . Well, i think senator sanders is the best candidate to continue the legacy of president w barack obama. In this nation it is really about choice. The haters should not be hating. I am supporting senator Bernie Sanders because i believe that he has heartsoul agreement. When it comes to the afric Africanamerican Community in particular what senator sanders has advanced in raising the minimum wage to 15 would instantly give folks in the Africanamerican Community 50 of them a raise. When he talks about universal health care as a right tamron i can tell you as having my mother day at the age of 42 year olds with an aneurysm burst in her brain being the oldest of seven children and a First Generation College graduate when i juxtaposition senator sanders vision for this country with my life story, there was no doubt who i should be supporting. And that is senator Bernie Sanders. Obviously clinton supporters Hillary Clinton supporters will say that she was on the front line of health care as a first lady. She was the person who got wounded before barack obama was wounded in that battle and ultimately was victorious and she paved the way on health care alone. Well, all good democrats should be fighting for universal health care. It is unfortunate that the secretary has a different vision in 2016 than she had then when she was fighting for universal health care. As you may remember, she chastised senator barack obama for coming against here in 2008 saying that democrats should not fight each other over this fundamental value that we have. So again senator sanders you know in the christian tradition it says that you will know a tree but the fruit that it bears and senator sanders has been in the vineyard laboring for justice all of his life, and so im supporting him. Lets talk about the fact you just saw cornel west, your support you also rapper activist killer mike and a number of other people who have come out from the Africanamerican Community, not a monolithic community i have to remind people of that. Thank you. Who have come out and support Bernie Sanders but you and i know that at the black church at the beauty salons the barber shops all these typical places that people think we hang out that there is a conversation that theres a belief that blacks should fall in line behind the clintons, or fall in line as voters of the Democratic Party. I saw you already are ready to respond to that. Tamron, im having a moment here. Nobody owns the black vote. The black vote should be earned. And it is curious to me that our folks are the only voting bloc where people assume which direction we are going to go in. My message to the black community this morning, and to all communities, is that no one should allow themselves to be taken for granted. And unfortunately, lots of times the Democratic Party itself as a whole has taken the Africanamerican Community for granted. So nobody owns our vote. They have to earn our vote. And we dont owe anything to elected officials. It is the other way around. And so, while senator sanders certainly has not been a national figure, he is running for the presidency of these United States of america, but he is running with heartsoul agreement so i would ask my sisters and brothers of the Africanamerican Community to do a deep dive and make a choice based on heartsoul agreement and not where folks think we should be or trying to force us to be. But when you look at South Carolina right now, polling shows Hillary Clinton with 37point margin in that state alone. We know the africanamerican votes there are very important and that may be as they describe it her firewall. You talk about Bernie Sanders and his relationship and support of the black community, some people say, the stage not stormed by black lives matters supporters in that incredibly awkward moment that senator sanders may not have really stepped down and had this dialogue with young, black voters. You may, his comments lately on represent rations and some other issues that in a sense i guess im asking you was Bernie Sanders hand really forced into the conversation with black voters because of the storming of the stage by black lives matters or do you see this as an authentic recognition of the power of the black vote . It is authentic, tamron. Lets be clear here. Senator sanders is a senator from vermont. 95 of their population, he cannot control the demographics so hes served honorably in that state. 95 of that population is white. I was at net roots nation and at least senator Bernie Sanders and governor omalley had the heart to come to net roots nation. I saw them take over the room so it is an alarming experience but they were absolutely in the fight. Senator sanders understands that he has to earn the africanamerican vote and that is exactly what hes doing and his position in reparation is not that much different from president obamas. So, to lay reparations at his feet is unfair. We should be asking every candidate how they feel about reparations, but senator sanders has the strongest Racial Justice program and platform of any candidate running for president , democrat or republican, so i want to go back to the urban poet tupac when he says we got money for wars but we cant feed the poor. When people say we should not be dreaming big we cannot go from yes we can to no, we cant. Senator Bernie Sanders is the symbol for all that is right in this country and he will continue to stand up and fight against the status quo and that is why africanamericans should vote for him because we have been victim of the status quo for generations. Nina turner thank you so much for your time. Ill be talking with you hopefully after monday. Im looking forward to it. Thank you so much. And we should remind you of course, she supports Bernie Sanders, i dont know why i had to tell you that again. 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Youre within the margin of error. What voting block do you believe will make the decision here . Well, i think a lot of people have talked about turnout as being very important. And certainly, to the Democratic Party, turnout is important to us because caucuses are about party building. We want to have turnout as much as we can. We had three great campaigns. Very organized, all over the state. They will really turn out their people. The campaign that can turn out their people the best may be the winner. I still have our panel with us, philip, bernard, and lauren. Lets go down the line. What do ubelieve will be the headline . Record turnout for this particular record turnout. More than 2008 . Yeah, i think more than actually, i shouldnt say that. Obama, obama was a phenomenon, so no. I think bernie will pull it off and hillary will barely i think its trump and hillary barely win. Rubio comes in a disant third. I say who exceeds expectations. Trump needs to trouble up cruz. Cruz needs to beat rubio, and if that happens, its on. Before we leave here, we know there may be more debates added in. Do you believe that the lack of debates on the democratic side or the fewer made a difference in here in why the race is so tight right now . I think they get their message out well anyhow. Im for more debate, but also talking oneonone. We had several forums here. The messages are getting their message out. I welcome more of that, but i think theyre doing a very good job. The significance that iowa plays here, we hear so much about obviously, the population compared to cities that certainly like new york who believe they matter more than anything else. And that there may be an argument in some ways for that, but the significance of iowa and the role that state plays. How do you explain that to people who still question it . We take this process very seriously. Iowans really, its a good state geographically. You can get all around it. In this day of citizens united, you cant buy iowa. If you dont have name i. D. , you dont have money, you can still come to iowa, talk to iowans all over the state, and actually become president. We like that thats the way this works. Were very proud of that and we take it very seriously. I have one more minute for our panel here, so you cant buy iowa. No, you cant. I think what do you think about trump . Can he win this without a ground game . I think trump will actually win. When i look at the race, in 2008, obama beat Hillary Clinton and ultimately carried the democrats to the white house on hope and change. The republicans are operating this year on fear and change. So far, its working very, very well for them, particularly for donald trump and ted cruz. The challenge is american is a forward looking country. We believe in the future. At the end of the day in the general election, that is going to work against them. Theres a huge Enthusiasm Gap on the republican side we dont see on the democratic side. Were out of time. Thank you so much for joining me. If i come in on a sunday again, i will bring pastries. Im fasting right now. I couldnt take it. Doctor, thank you so much for joining us. And thank you to all of our guests today for this hour. Thanks for waking up with me on this sunday. Ill see you tomorrow, 11 00 eastern time. Stay with msnbc as we count down the Iowa Caucuses. Dont miss the primetime coverage with brian williams, rachel maddow, and Chris Matthews tonight at 8 clo 00 eastern. Melissa harrisperry is up next. Shell be joined by ari melber who is live by des moines, melissa is, with a look at the lastminute effort to get out the vote. Have a good one. This morning, our question, who has the Winning Strategy in iowa . Plus, president ial politics and the Supreme Court. And what it really takes to get people out to caucus. But first, a new poll on who is ahead in iowa this morning from the most reliable pollster in the state. Good morning to you. Im ari melber in for melissa harrisperry. She is out in iowa as we count down to the last 36 hours to the caucus. With them, the very first votes that will be cast in the 2016 president ial race. Hi, melissa. Whats going on . Getting ready to do this. A very exciting day here in the place for politics. Were going to get to melissa who everyone can see live in iowa in a second. Thats what we call proof of life. First, that new poll out last night from the Des Moines Register and bloomberg news. Lets show it to you. On the republican side, trump maintaining a lead of five points over ted cruz. Marco rubio, you see there, coming up in third. For democrats, this looks close to a twoperson tie. Clinton at 45