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Full interview in a little bit. But first we start with the news that has dominated the week, a story that republicans have reintroduced by design. On friday House Speaker john boehner picked seven republicans to sit on the new select committee that will spearhead a new roundinvestigations into the attack and aftermath of attack that killed four americans in benghazi, libya, september 11, 2012. None were elected before 2006 and they include a mix of establishment and tea party republicans. Boehners choice to chair the committee, trey gowdy of south carolina. It was day before boehner made his appointments to set up the Benghazi Special committee. Still up in the air is this question. Will the democrats take the five seats the republicans are offering them on the panel or will they boycott the whole thing altogether. It was on this show last weekend that House Democratic leader nancy pelosi first responded to the news that republicans planned to create the select committee. Pelosi told us that boehner hadnt even informed her of that decision, but now that the cat is out of the bag so to speak, shes dismissing the committee as a political maneuver to take the investigation out of the congress. Darrell issa holds up the government oversight and reform. The fact is this is a stunt. This is a political stunt. And the fact that i mean issa just is damaged goods. They had to move from him to another venue with another chairman. Thats what this is. Weve been there, done this over and over again. And so the question is there at least a level of decency in terms of respect . Theres been a lot of discussions about political motives that might be at play with republicans turning away from their single focus on the american care act. Could this select committee be just the start of a much bigger strategy by republicans . This week slates asked will republicans try to impeach president obama . Theres a chance this is already headed. Already the conservatives are clamoring for an impeachment. Weve impeach pt a president other sex with an intern. A coverup of a burglary. Why wouldnt we impeach this president for not protecting americans in the bloodbath known as benghazi. This talk isnt new on the right. Andrew mccarthy has a new book about to hit the shelves entitled faithless execution building a political case for obamas impeachment. Last fall steve stockman, an early supporter of the Benghazi Select Committee gave every member of congress a copy of the book. Stockman is not alone. In my mind, the president has committed Impeachable Offenses. Ive had lawyers come in, and these are lawyers, ph. D. S in history. They say, tell me how i can impeach the president of the United States. People need to know how serious this is. To me people may be starting to use the i word before too long. I word meaning impeachment, yeah. I dont have the back fwrounld to know if thats high creams and misdemeanors, but i think theyre getting perilously close. Weve got three years to get this guy out. Let me put it this way. I think he probably has been engaged in these unconstitutional approaches that may make his own ability to stay in office a question. These growing calls for impeachment from the right wing could gather steam. They may end up feeling the pressure to go along. More than a year ago just after the 2012 election, the prominent gop lobbyist named ed rogers offered this haunting premonition totime magazi time. He said, quote, were probably one email away from benghazi being an Impeachable Offense for much of our party. I think thats nuts, but thats where we are right now. It had 28 particulars that king george had committed against the rights of englishmen. Well, this particular report lists 76 examples of lawlessness and abuse of power. Over at the Washington Post, plumline blog, its noted the gop was backed into shutting down the government in defending the Affordable Care act last fall and the same thing could play out with impeachment. We ask is impeachment where were going . Is that the only place theyre tanging the investigation . If thats the road they are going to go down, how much political blowback could that create . By the way, what do they do . Do they refuse to go along or do they grudgingly take those five Committee Seats . Is it better to fight it from the inside to the outside. To talk about all this. I want to bring in msnbc and jerry. And congressman, aisle start with you. I have heard the case from both sides in the democratic part on this, hey, you want to know what theyre up to, you want to have a voice, you dont want to be blindsided, or the other case has been if you deny something bipartisanship, any sort of by partisan cooperation youre denying it legitimacy and youre making so the public turns against it. I come down very strongly that you have to participate. As march of a Kangaroo Court as it is, even in a Kangaroo Court its good to have a defense attorney and you cant seed the battlefield. Of course its nonsense and it has no real legitimacy. But trying to deny legitimacy by boycotting it is a story. The witnesses will have questions and theyll be asking over and over. Theyll be unfair questions, theyll badger the witness. Youve got to have somebody to say, wait a minute, let him answer the question or to point out how unfair or ridiculous the question is or to point out what is being done unfairly. You have to have, i believe, very strongly i argued this in the Democratic Caucus the other day. You cant seed the battleground to the bullies. By the way. The democrats met on this the other day. Mmhmm. How would you break down where your party in the house stand on this right now . Do you think ultimately what youre saying is where its going to go . Whats the sentiment . I think its mixed. Were not going to take a vote on this, so i dont know that. Shell make the decision. I think she was conflicted in herself. I mean we all recognize that this is a Kangaroo Court. This is nonsense. There have been eight investigations. Even chairman mckeown, the republican of the Armed Services Committee Said this is nonsense. There are really only two allegations here. One is that somehow they let this happen. They didnt send in the armed forces. Secretary gates in his book who was very critical of president obama said this was nonsense and the chairman of the Armed Services committee whos republican said its nonsense, not true. The other allegation its what were the talking points for ambassador rice on meet the press a couple of days later, and the answer to that is probably somewhat confused and so what, and the president labeled it, you know, a terrorist attack the day after and they say no, we didnt. But does this all come down to whether the administration called it a terrorist attack right away or waited a week or two . So what. I mean what theyre trying to suggest or have been trying to suggest is that the Obama Administration and president obama was running for reelection. I kept us from having another terrorist attack. I dont know how you would ever cover up an al qaeda attack. No one said they tried to cover it up. By the way, under the Bush Administration, Something Like 16 american diplomats killed. You had an attack in calcutta by another al qaeda affiliate. Nobody tried to impeach him. Nobody said this was a coverup. No one you know, if we wanted if the democrats wanted to be political about this, we would mount a Major Campaign and say those four americans died because the Republican Congress refused to increase the budget even though the secretary asked for it. We didnt ask for that. This wasnt foreseeable. Rightly we talk about the tragedy of benghazi. At the same time when you look at the violence of american diplomatic outposts, its not that uncommon. Tim wrote this yesterday. He said the state department counts 86 significant attacks just in 2012. Thats the year of the benghazi attack. The death toll was not four. It was 24. This is not a new problem. Since 1970 theres been 521 attacks on diplomatic targets. Youre covering the politics of this in washington. How are the republicans looking at this . Are the republicans afraid if the democrats dont take the seats . My understanding from talking to, you know, republican aides and people close to the house leadership, theyre at least posture posturing as if they want the democrats to participate. Boehner is getting calls from the right and conservatives to do this for a long time and hes been very hesitant to do it. How he wants this to have an air of legitimacy. The house leadership wants to be able to hold this out as a legitimate investigation, as something they really put real resources into. That gets understood cut a little bit if the democrats dont come to the table because then the democrats can hold it out and say its a partisan hack job. If the democrats are at the table they at least get the optics of it. So, dave, also we had that quote, you know, after 2012, somebody from the republican establishment basically saying, hey, were one im away from this sort of far right and the party being able to call the shots on where we go on benghazi. We kind of got that email, the ben rhodes email. You wrote something that sort of put the ben rhodes email in context. Theres a question should the white house have released this a while ago and it didnt have to come the a judicial watch, freedom of information request. That being said you put this email in context and said this is really not any kind of smoking gun here. I think thats why youre hearing a few more democrats say its thinkable to join the committee because the advantage, i guess, for the people that are confused about it is there have been a bunch of panels asking sometimes the same question. You see trey gowdy, whos a very good prosecutor, who goes on tv and asks the questions that have been in the reports but people arent familiar with them. There was a ton of embassy attacks that were explicitly based in it. That has been left out of the narrative. Whenever you try to bring it up, it was lost. Its completely forgotten that this happened and if you dont have democrats on that committee bringing this up, its not going to be brought up. I think in general, overreach is what democrats would hope for just in the way that, i think, overreach helped the president clinton. Remember, democrats want ing th tape to be released. It made the republicans look overzealous. More cently Keith Ellison participating in peter kings muslim thing here. He kind of skploesed the flimsiness of it. Democrats are confident theres so much evidence here its being lost in the fog. If it comes out, it would correct a bit of a narrative. Do you think theyre going to join the committee ultimately . I remember talking to James Clapper on wednesday. Whenever i see that kind of movement, i assume well, i want to pick this up. Look. The republicans have the majority in the house right now. We know that. Theyll have the majority of the seats on this committee, no matter what. 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He will not be in the house after this year but he is there now and was there last year and was the one who distributed this book to every member of Congress Calling for the impeachment of congress. When i see whats happening right now, republican leadershiping were no longer talking about the congress. Were talking about Steve Boehner doing what steve stockman, the guy whos been calling for an impeachment on the year, now hes creating this committee, that tells me the stockmans of the party. Certainly. I mean i think, again, this is something that the far right of the party wanted to happen. Theyve wanted it to happen for a long time here. Initially the house leadership was very reluctant to allow this to happen. They had it both through the senate and the house. This has been something looked at multiple times. Initially they said it wasnt there. There was something that came out when they handed it to the conservative watchdog group. It was the kind of thing that is a legitimate qualm for Congressional Republicans or anyone to say, yeah, this probably should have been in those subpoenas and at that point it renewed the furor on the right. It was a kind of thing that boehner kept his distance. This enabled the people on the right to say, come on, we need to do this. And so this certainly is not necessarily caving to the far right of the party. Where this goes is a whole other question. The big part of that is whether or not the democrats participate. I think thats going to really craft the narrative we get day in and day out out of this committee. If its just republicans grilling officials in the Obama Administration or if we have this type of dynamic we had with darrell issa, this back and forth where every day theyre battling for headlines. Thats a very different dynamic than if its just republicans slamming them. Thats why we must have the democrats there. Mine if they have a onesided presentation, they could whip themselves up into an impeachment furor. Maybe the democrats want that. It would kill them in the elections, but it wouldnt be good for the country. Its going to be unfair. Its going to be a kangaroo core. Theyve given the chairman the ability to handle to issue subpoenas without even a vote of the committee. Chairman issa has and they wont deny themselves the power to investigate to depose witnesses without a democrat prese present, which is highly unusual and wrong. Theyre going to be in the room pointing it out. I dont think theyre going to get anywhere what they need even to convince themselves if they were to do a phony impeachment hearing. I want to read something. You made reference to this a few moments ago. This is buck mckeown. This is what he said. Darrell issa was this is what he said after the latest round of issa hearings. The Armed Services committee has interviewed more than a dozen witnesses in the operational chain of command that night, yielding thousands of pages of transcripts. Emails, and other documents. We have no evidence that department of state officials delayed the decision to deploy what few sources dod had available to respond. This is the leading republican saying this. But, again, dave, now here we are about a week after he say this looking at a select committee. Can you play this out a little bit . Lets sea democrats do join the committee . Lets say they have the back and forth they have with eli cummings and darrell issa. That plays out itself. I just remember the lewinsky thing. It took what did they end up with . Did they have any democratic votes for that . They might have had one or two. No. The question youre talking about, the buck mckeon argument, i remember talking to Republican Voters about benghazi. They would bring it up without me mentioning i. They would show up outside obama buses that went by with benghazi signs. What made them angry and has kept them angry is the fury that they were told not to help any of the people in the compound, any of the people responding that night. And, again, because the reporting has been so confusing its not widely known. I think you can go on conservative radio and media and youll hear they were told to stand down. This was in together of 2012. To the extent that thats vetted again in public on tv with lots of people watching it, that might remove some of the fury. And gowdy, who i respect on all sides here as a prosecutor, thats what animates him, the idea that families were lied to and that their family members who were dead were not given the help they needed. If that is that storys fully told that everything was done to help them, that changes that. Whats missing is a key piece of information. Yeah. I think weve we basically know now its misinformation. He and a lot of republicans say we havent been told the truth because its been so scattershocked. They dont want to believe it. Its underable. You have grieving families, sons who were navy s. E. A. L. S. Steve king the other day was saying we need the autopsy of Chris Stevens because maybe that would reveal more clues. They want every fact related to the deaths of the people they love. I dont think its bad thing to vet that in public. Walk into any room, any tea party room, republican meeting, anyone will believe, one, barack obama didnt do anything that night, nobody in the chain of command did anything, or they were told to stand down, which as mccain said is kind of an insult to the military. We have to squeeze in a break. We have a member of the Republican Party who supports this committee. Well gore to talk to her and the rest of the panel right after this. Im lisa and i have copd, but i dont want my breathing problems to get in the way of hosting my book club. 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Were having a conversation here why do you why do you think there is a need for this committee, specifically what is it that you think is unanswered here . Are you concerned about this idea that republicans have suggested that the Obama Administration somehow failed on the night of the attacks to adequately respond to it . Or is it this idea of, you know, in the aftermath of the attacks, the Obama Administration supposedly was trying to cover something up . What specific concern do you have that you want this committee to address . Good morning. I think the question is a very good one, but just let me put it in my perspective. I believe that the American People, those who are paying attention and care and there are many who care deeply about this problem there are still questions about what happened leading up to the attack, during the attack, and certainly afterward. And think having a Bipartisan Group look at these questions, you know, if we can get simply bee beyond the bipartisanship, its really important. As i see it, there are people still serving around the world in the same capacity that the men in benghazi served. They deserve a right to know, you know. Are they leading up to the same sort of similar situation or are they protected . What will happen if they find themselves in danger . And i think in their honor, i think we ought to be looking at this thoroughly, and think trey gowdy has the capacity to do this and i think its important that the democrats participate. We read about safety stats in general. I can see this incident pointing to that sort of broader question and being in need of clear i think clear need for maybe washington to take a look at that issue. The question of benghazi in that context. But when we look at benghazi, there seems to be something very specific, very political, very partisan thats animating im not going to say all republicans on this but a lot of republicans. We talk about steve stockman, your former colleague, was calling for president obamas impeachment last year, calling for this committee. Now he gets this committee. Is it fair to say a lot of people in your party have been looking for a reason to go after president obama, looking for a reach to can impeach president obama . I hear your statement but thats now how i see it. There are those who have gone that far and then there are those who are complete deniers and apologists and act like this is not an important issue. But, you know, there are really people in congress on both sides of the aisle who have the capacity to get together, have hearings, to really look at the facts an let the facts speak for themselves. There are still a lot of questions that need to be asked. I dont think overthetop statements need to be made on either side. Hearings on the acts deserve it. They deserve thoughtful inquiries over what happened. Nifr asked for impeachment and never put the two together in this context. Go ahead. Im sorry. We have congressman nadler here. Could this be potentially what she seat saying, a bipartisan way to highly unlikely. Weve already had eight separate investigations and reports. Theyve gone through 55,000 or Something Like that pages of documents theyve produced. There have been eight reports. The accountability review board, the bipartisan lieberman congressman senate report, the democratic report. Eight different reports. Nothing new has come up. And all the allegations were seeing now, everything that theyre supposedly going to investigate, has either been thoroughly debunked and ill reference again the Republican Armed Services Committee chairm chairman mckeon has said given it, we probably couldnt have done more than we did and secretary of defense gates, former secretary of defense gates who wrote a very critical book about obama said exactly the same thing. And the talking points memo, the question of the talking points has been pretty wet ll debunked too. I dont know where youre getting at with all the reports. And, you know, this committee, select committee, has no more power, subpoena power than the Issa Committee had, than the mckeeim m mckeon committee. Congressman nadler makes the case for it. Well see what nancy pelosi has to say. Anyway we also had technical difficulty this morning that kept us from having congressman bob barr join in this. He supports the impeachment. Id like to extend my apologies. 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The fact of the matter is i had nothing do with this, as i said, from the beginning in this report has supported exactly what i said. New jersey governor Chris Christies given only two may juror press conferences on the scandal emerging from the George Washington bridge lane closure, one were the damaging emails inside his office that first came to light and another after a milliondollar report by his office was released. It pointed to two of his aides. For week, those comments in that report have provided the only narrative weve heard about what was hanning inside Chris Christies office as the George Washington bridge scandal began unfolding last september. Well, until this week, that is. This is the week when the state legislative Committee Investigating the lane closures heard the first testimony from their first witness. Christina renna is her name and she worked for christina kelly. One is that she took issue with some of the master report. Thats the report that christie says exonerates him. The second is renna says she doesnt think kelly was the mastermind behind the lane closures, that she would not have made that kind of call on her own. One described kelly as indecisive based on his own interactions with her. Heres how renna responded to that. It sounds like Bridget Kelly because she was constantly checking before she made a decision all the time. Right. So you i dont want to put words in your mouth. What you said today is bridget was not a decision maker. Is that what you said . Yes. Heres what she said. I wouldnt say she was the architect but she was instrumental in the process. I believe that, yes. Okay. I think bridget was not the architect but think she was, you know, participating in whatever this was. So, of course, if kelly wasnt the master mooinld that leaves the question of who was. So that was last tuesday. And now this coming tuesday just 48 hours from now, that committee will reconvene to hear from the next witness, one of the most anticipated witnesses on the docket. Hes Michael Drewniak, christies longtime spokesman. Last december according to the report drewniak had dinner with wildstein. He told wildstein he had spoken to the gronch about the lane closures at an event last september. Drewniak also, according to the report excuse me. Wildstein indicated according to the court that they had knowledge of the closures as they were playing out. Well, democrats on the Committee Questions renna aggressively last week and are expected to do the same with drewniak this coming week. Republicans are tries to steer the conversation away from it and toward the broader topic of port authorities reform. They are the ones who are deciding about all the shenanigans over there, and i dont think that we should continue to let them continue to run their clown operation while we pursue headlines any way that we can. After that another republican on the committee motioned to s p more Port Authority officials. Time now to bring in democrat state senator linda greenstein. Shes a member of the committee and a candidate for the 12th district and holy schepisi. I just mentioned her a minute ago. So, brian, i want to start with you. I also want to put up first, after this hearing on tuesday where Christina Renna basically you know, she said that Bridget Kelly had been instrumental in the closures but had not been the mastermind behind them, she also said there had been this email that Bridget Kelly had asked her to delete, an email from when the lane closures first happened where Bridget Kelly is first told about them and says good and Bridget Kelly according to Christina Renna was asked to delete the emails. She responded and said rest assured, under crossexamination her requests will be seen as ridiculous and if she thinks she can rewrite history, she does so at her own peril. Christie makes the case she would have deleted the emails herself when she found out christie said nobody in his office knew. He gets to make the case, critchley does, for his client, Bridget Kelly, that she was not involved in an obstruction of justice, which is either a federal crime, depending on the incident or a state crime. Deleting the im or ordering the im. That is obstructing justice. Getting rid of evidence is an obstruction. Im flanked by two lawyers. I dont think theyd disagree with me on the definition. Maybe on the act. Hes got to get out in front on that. I think thats the motivation here. I cant let my client, Bridget Kelly, be perceived as somebody involved in an obstruction of justice. What do you make of the and its not this was not a shocking statement, thing, to anybody who follows new jersey politics, whos followed this closely. But, still, to get it on the record, somebody in the Governors Office saying, no, i dont think Bridget Kelly was the mastermind behind this, what does that say . Thats the 64,000 question. You know, the speculation i said in my story that day, the speculation could go anywhere and im ghoinnot going go anywh because i can pull a name out of my hat and theyre all equal. Obviously the focus is on people like David Wildstein who is at the Port Authority as well as bill stepien, the governors former campaign manager. Thats where all of our focus has been up until now. Could it be anybody else . Of course, it could be. Will it be anybody else . We dont know. Thats the point of the whole investigation right now as i see it from the outside. So, you know, im not going to say that, well, what does it mean for your the governor, what does it mean for ron tune yak, what does it mean for gia and all these people trying to separate it into an alphabet soup of letters and stuff, but think at this point you also have to recognize, again to the lawyers, i defer, that her claim that bridget could not have been an architect is also kind of a hearsay. Its her feelings. Right. She was asked do you think shelf wasnt asked you do have specific knowledge. She was asked do you think. Right. Senator woman schepisi, we talked at the beginning how you wanted to sort of expand this to look at Port Authority reform, you had some subpoenas in mind. The Democratic Leaders of this Committee Want to go in a different derek of this. The direction they went on tuesday and the direction they want to go this tuesday with mike drewniak, when you look at Christina Rennas testimony this week, did you find anything of value . She said the master report has some problems. It sounds like there was some valuable stuff she said on tuesday. We learned she shops at banana republican and gets coupons. Candidly, i dont think we really learned anything beyond what we had already seen. Most of her testimony was encompassed in the master report. There were a couple of small things that she did want to clear up from a consistency perspective, but even going to mike drewniaks testimony on tuesday, listen da, i dont know if youve gotten anything. We have received absolutely nothing regarding what the strategy is. Weve gotten nothing from our counsel about, you know, is there an outline of questions. What is it that were looking to talk to him about . What are we looking to ask . And so, you know, you very poornltly pointed out that we have gone off and veered off the path of what the stated purpose of our committee was, which was to investigate how Something Like this could have taken place at the Port Authority and implement appropriate reforms. And that was the stated purpose of the chairman from day one. Now all of a sudden were going into the inner workings and having politicians investigate politicians into how the campaign was run. So were really setting a dangerous precedent. Linda, youre on the committee. Do you agree with that . I totally, totally disagree with that. Thing were doing exactly what we set out to do. In the original legislation that enabled us to do this, we left it broad, but we said we were going to start with what happened with the bridge. Well, everything thats happened so far, all the materials we received, took us to the idea that there was involvement in the Governors Office which is why were talking to people in the Governors Office, but in three weeks, were also talking to several Port Authority people. So indeed we are taking your idea that we will look at Port Authority. We have to just take it where it takes us. It starts with people in the Governors Office, and it also starts with people at the Port Authority. Weve got to to squeeze one break in. Well get to brian. I want to know what senator greenstein and senator schepisi wants to ask on tuesday. Were going to ask them that when we come back. And thats epic, bro, weve forgotten just how good good is. Good is setting a personal best before going for a world record. 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But i mine we just got the letter in on the david samson stuff as well from the attorney who represented the new Jersey State Democratic Party whos now representing s samson, you know theres a question on how party lines can get cross. Senator greenstein, Michael Drewniak, Chris Christies spokesman. Hes been with him since he was with the u. S. Attorneys office, since he was gronch. He first of all met with David Wildstein back when this all blew up. He told him bill stepien and bridget kellie had knowledge. Drewniak apparently relaid some of that to Chris Christie at some point in the next week. Oak, Michael Drewniak testifying before your committee on tuesday, what do you want to ask him . Well, i think has some very important links here. He is the Governors Press secretary, but he became quite involved in this. First of all, he said he was a personal friend of both wildstein and baroni. He was spoken to by the governors counsel after some of this began because he obviously had some important information. So he isnt so much being questioned as a member of the Governors Office, i feel, but as somebody who began to get very involved with this Port Authority business. So, brian, what is the expectation, by the way . Hes going to show up. Do we know hes going to answer questions . Yes. He will answer questions. I think that especially based on what we saw with rennas performance. And she actually had a very polished performance. There was no question about it. I dont know if she was coached per se, but she acquitted herself very well. I think youre going to see that drewniak uses that experience, i think, his lawyer will have talked with him well. I hate to use the word coached, but thats what lawyers do. Again, im in a room with lawyers. When they have a highprofile situation like that. His challenge will be, in my opinion, how do you get around some of the meetings and descriptions of my friendship with David Wildstein sort of thing, and it will also be how does he get around his, let us say, salty language that hes noun to use in private or semiprivate situations in some of his emails that show an emotional side, a very fierce emotional side of Michael Drewniak. And how does he get around that when hes questioned by the Committee Members . Ask the reporters. You could probably say who have dealt with them, his reputation as being combative with them. Well see if that shows up when hes questioned. Were out of time here. Im sorry. My thanks to senator woman Holly Schepisi and brian tomsan and linda greenstein. Thanks for joining us on mothers day. Weve wanted to get someone o p on our show for a long time. Our Elizabeth Warren interview, its coming up. Thits not the limit yoursh hard earned cash back card. Its not the confused by rotating categories card. 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I thought we had to do something to get working fami families with lower incomes up to decent standards of living. So i capped the income tax credit. Deferred the budget until we passed the act in 1996. And, well, you know the rest. This isnt the first time weve seen ambitious dem kramts trying to fit into Elizabeth Warren mode. Shes hit a certain nerve especially in her own party. Its not just that she talks about the bread and butter concerns that she talks about. She has a knack for communicating with crisp and direct language that cuts through the clutter. There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own, nobody. You built a factory out there. Good for you. But i want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. A seemingly offthecuff rift went viral and went to war as a star on the left and parentally didnt go unnoticed at the white house. It seemed it was warren who tried to channel you didnt build this comment in 2012 that was an inartful framing that fell flat. That only shows uniqueness of warrens voice. This week the freshman senator introduce add new student loan bill, her second major piece of legislation on the topic. The basic idea is to allow graduates to pay big amounts of debt to refinance them at lower rates as you would your home mortgage. In this interview this week we talked a lot more about that bill. We talked about scott brown. I began by asking her to explain to me how this bill works. What questionve got right now is that young people are being crushed by Student Loan Debt. People who borrowed money in years past have interest rating of 7 , 8 , 9 , sometimes even much, much higher. That is more than enough money to cover the cost of the loans. It is producing tens of billions of dollars in profits for the United States government. So what we propose is to refinance that debt to bring it down to the same Interest Rates that new borrowers are offering this year, which is 3. 86 on undergraduate loans, a little higher on graduate loans and plus loans so that young people have a shot at paying off their Student Loan Debt and getting themselves stabilized financially and pulling this economy forward. So what would that mean like in term os testify debt load of you know, can you give me an example and put it in real terms for like a 25yearold, 30yearold, Something Like that. What it means, obviously, it depends on two factors, how much debt youve got and what kind of Interest Rates youre paying on your loan. Weve gone through the numbers, and this will save literally millions of people hundreds of dollars a year and millions more will save thousands of dollars a year. Remember, theyll still pay back the principle on those debts and the costs of administering the loans, the bad debt losses, the cost of the funds, but the idea is to take some of the profit out of the system instead of using people who went to college and couldnt afford to pay for college up front, instead of using them as way to produce billions of dollars in profits for the federal government, it says, wait a minute, we should be investing in people who are trying to get an education. So it brings down that interest rate. Anybody out there would be able to refinance. You proposed a legislation this week. The reviews as it were are starting to come in. I want to read you a headline. This is a slates headline. Elizabeth warrens smart, flawed, and obviously doomed plan to help student borrowers. Part of this is to pay what youre proposing the buffett rule, basically a minimum tax that millionaires would pay. Obvious lets something that has, you know, a lot of popular appeal, but it has sort of been demonstrated that this thing the buffett rule is dead on arrival with todays Republican Party. Is the buffett rule a negotiable part of this or is slate right youre trying to make a politic political statement and putting republicans on the spot . I think its something democrats and republicans should get behind. Let me tell you why. Last july when new borrowers were in the spotlight, remember, student loan Interest Rates because of what the law said were about to double, nearly every republican in the house and the senate at most democrats voted for the exact same Interest Rates that are in the bill im proposing and my cosponsors are proposing. So thing about that. They just said in july, those are the right Interest Rates for new borrowers who are trying to get an education. Why on earth wouldnt those be the right Interest Rates for anyone else who had tried to get an education. So if the republicans will say out loud and actually there may be some movement on this, thats the right principle is where we want to be on the Interest Rates, then lets talk about the pay for. I put the buffett rule out there and my colleagues did as a way to try to give our kids a fair shot, but if they dont like the buffett rule, then come to us with Something Else. How you do want to pay for this . But heres the key youve got remember. I think about the fact that it requires a pay for. Why does it require a pay for . Because right now the system is designed to have students or former students pay tens of billions of dollar above the cost of these loans in order to fund the United States treasury. So it puts a very direct question to us, a question of economics, but also a question of values. Does this country support its billionaires through tax loopholes or for the same amount of money does this country support students who tried to get an education . Thats the issue on the table. Well, i tlinks a bigger issue and bigger question that gets to the paralyzed state of government and politics for the last few years. What youre trying to do here is sort of to me is similar on what we receive on any number of big proposals that the president s put forward, other members of your party have put forward. We live in a time when the republicans control the house of representatives. Weve talked so much about them being terrified of tea party members. John boehner not putting things on to floor because he does not want a coup. Has the reality of that been frustrating to you or has something about it have you been surprised . Have you learn something about it, hey, theres more i can get done . Whats the experience been like . I wrote this book called a fighting chance, and the book is about my eyewitness accounts of what it was like to fight washington from the outside. And i go through all of these battled. And the basic conclusion that i drew because i saw it, ran smack into it, is that washington is rigged to h for those who can hire armies of lobbyists and armies of lawyers, and, you know, this is my lifes work. Ive been following this for 25 years now. Ive got to tell you. Its gotten worse, its gotten worse, its gotten worse. The Playing Field is tilted, tilted so badly that americas middle class is starting to crumble. So how is it were ever going to rebalance the Playing Field . Theyve got the advantages of concentrated money and power. We have the advantage on our side of our voices and our votes. So for me what this student loan bill is about and all of the issues we were working on, around minimum wage, equal pay for equal work, Holding Banks accountable, its about saying were going make our voices heard on this. Were going to make it clear that there are economic choices to be made here in the case of student loans, go for the billionaires, or go for our students. Go for one or the other. Were going to make those choices and make them clear, and then the voters can decide which way they want to see this government run. But weve got to break through. We cant just say, well, the republican republicans dont like this, so were never going there. We need to make changes in this country. We cant keep running it for the billionaires who want to keep their loopholes. Weve got to run this for our kids who are trying to get an education. They just need a fair shot, thats all this is about. So i want to talk to you a little bit about breaking that logjam. Whether its on the student loan question. You mentioned the student loan rate. That was fill bustered to death in the senate. You had one republican, bob corker from trn who was willing to switch sides. We see it over and over again. Publixly what i see in looking at washington from afar and seen for the last two years is one skpak example of this. Theres gridlock. It dies in the house, dies in the senate. Not much has really happened in the last few years. Privately im wondering. Maybe you can tell me this. When you have conversations, especially across the aisle, is it different . Are there republicans . Im sort of wondering what the disconnect is to break through that logjam. Well, you know, this is why i frame it in terms of the rich and powerful get what they want here in washington because a good example of that is glasssteagall. You remember glasssteagall used to be the law coming out of the great depression. It said that ordinary banking, checking accounts and savings account, had to be separated from taking risks on wall street. If you wanted to be a bank, that was fine, if you wanted to be a wall street risk taker, that was fine, but you couldnt be both. That wall got broken down. Ultimately glasssteagall was repealed in the end of the 90s and we saw the consequences with the financial crash in 2008. Now, came to congress a year ago and sat down with john mccain. And with angus king, who is an independent from maine with maria cantwell, another democrat from washington, we crafted a tough 21st century glasssteagall bill. So weve got republicans, independents, and democrats on that bill. They want it. They want a tough bill. America supports a good strong glasssteagall make banking boring and yet very, very difficult to move. Why . Because the largest Financial Institutions in the country dont want it. Community banks are good with it. Credit unions are good with it. But a handful of huge banks wield a lot of power on capitol hill, and thats what weve got to break. Its about leveling the Playing Field again. Its about giving a fair shot to our families, to small Financial Institutions, to small businesses, and not have everything just run for the big guys. Yeah. And, you know, i mean were talking here about sort of the partisan gridlock that everybodys familiar with. When you talk about the power of wall street, the power of the financial sector, were talking about something that cuts across party lines. s one thing i want to ask you about. I know in some ways its a tired topic. We get to 2016. Youve been asked a gazillion times if youre going to run or not. One thing, were looking at a unique situation with Hillary Clinton. Were looking at a potentially unique situation where it is at least plausible she could get the democratic nomination out without opposition. When you talk about it, i was struck by it. I think youve been asked about it before. I was struck by a book you wrote a few years ago before you were in the senate where you talked about how Hillary Clinton as first lady opposed a bill where once she was in the senate and representing new york and representing the big wall street interests, she changed it. The banking bill, the Bush Administration was supporting and you wrote in the book it seems Hillary Clinton could not afford such a principled position in terms of the position she used to have. I wonder when you look at the potential of Hillary Clinton being your partys standard barer both in 2016 and years to come, are you sfietsd shes free of the kind of wall street influence youre talking about . Look. I want to make this clear. Im not running for president. I am focused right now on 2014 and the issues we need to cover right now. I think that we have to address the student loan issue. We need to bring it out there and push as hard as we can. As i said, people getting crushed by student loans, republicans say they dont like the pay for. Then come back with your own pay for. Thats on the table right now and thats what i want to work on right now. And thats where im going to keep my mow was. I understand that but i want to ask one more time. Again, i know 2016 seems so distant, but i also know ive watched enough of these elections where decisions get made a few parties out. When you look at the role Hillary Clinton is playing in the Democratic Party right now and is poised the play in 2016, does it concern yu at all . I mean youve written about it before. You wrote about it in your first book. You seem to be suggesting that wall street kind of got it claws into her. Do you still have that concern about her . Look. As i said, i you can ask the question a lost different ways, but im going give the same answer, and that is im staying focused on the issues in front of us right this minute. We cant let them off the hook by talking about things down the line, by talking about where hypothetically were headed. What we have to do is hold people accountable right now who are in the United States senate, and then we have to hold them accountable in the 2014 elect n elections. You know, theres a big question about whats going happen to control of the United States senate. I think the most important thing we can do is to say to the American People, heres what we stand for, heres what we believe in, let the other guys say what they stand for and what they believe in, and then lets let the voters choose. Thats where we need to keep our focus, and thats what im going stay focused on. Well finish with this then. Well finish with the question about 2014 because i dont know if anybody could have imagined this the night that you beat scott bruin in 2012 in massachusetts. Yep. That two years later he would be a resident of. Announcer a of New Hampshire and challenged gene she mean. You ran against scott brown, you defeated scott brown. If gene sheheen comes to you and says, senator warren, whats the best piece of advice to give me to make sure scott brown doesnt beat me, what would it be . Heres the deal. Ive now worked with gene for nearly a year and a half, and im going tell you something. Jean is smart. Shes independent and shes strong. She doesnt need my advice. You know what . Scott browns going to have his hands full with her. All right. Senator Elizabeth Warren, weve been hoping to get you on the show for a while. Appreciate your time and hope to have you back sometime. Thank you. And our thanks once again to senator Elizabeth Warren from massachusetts. As she mentioned her new book is called a fighting chance. Well have more with what we talked about with elizabeth warn warren. Well talk about that more after this. Energy and became moody. Thats when i had an honest conversation with my doctor. We discussed all the symptoms. Then he gave me some blood tests. Showed it was low t. Thats it. It was a number not just me. [ male announcer ] today, men with low t have androgel 1. 62 testosterone gel. 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That and thats just a little taste of what we heard from Elizabeth Warren a middle ago. Here to talk with us about it we have Wesley Lowery with the Washington Post who was with the boston globe so he knows a thing on two about politicians and dave weigel of slate is back with us. She makes it clear why shes in politics. It seems she seems totally genuine and shes good at communicating that. At the same time when i look at the answer she gave me on the Hillary Clinton thing, shes political too. Shes no longer outside of the game. Theres a quote if her book, insider versus outsider. Shes no longer an outsider. She cant be a bomb thrower. She now has to play within the rule os testify game. If she wants to amass power or real influence, she cant have everyone in the senate hate her. She e cant have the Obama Administration hate her. So you see a bit of the softening of the rhetoric if you look long term. Has she changed what she stands for and is talking about . No. Shes still very principled in what she stands for. Theres still a political side to Elizabeth Warren. She wants to amass real power. She wants to be able to influence change that when the massachusetts caucus you know, when they all sit together she sits at the end of the table and doesnt speak up all the time. She doesnt take advantage of her celebrity status, you know, among these groups of legislators and think there ee something to be said for that. When you look at the way shes addressing the clintons or Obama Administration, its markedly different than the way she did it before. Shes learned you have to choose your battles. Of course. Im kind of curious. She wants to amass power. Shes freshman senator. I mean the senate is just this institution thats built on seniority. You know, first year in the senate, youre barely expected to talk. It takes a long time to accumulate the kind of authority you need to get a chairmanship or something to really have that kind of clout. Do you see her on the track where shes going to spend a long enough time there where she can play that role, or is she kind of trying to redefine the role that a senator can have in the National Policy debate . She already is a senior senator from massachusetts because she won the election. Thats right. That doesnt actually get her much. Junior is 68 years old, thing. I think the kwa the senate now rotates because the jobs less fun than it used to be, she can rise up to the position. I Rehn Ron Wyden rising up. Bob min enden rising up. The reason shes never been credible as a challenger to Hillary Clinton, i think shes more interested in passing legislation, she really is. And its easier for her to get john mccain to cosponsor a bill of hers, as shes done already, if shes not galvanizing figure for one side or the other. When she was up for chairman, it was republicans who blocked her. They were explicit about it. At that point strishs would praise what shes doing and said she has answers for problems that are not illogical, that are ripped off criminally. Id note shes more potent and influential if she gets back to that status and not seen as just a lefty. There was a flip that switched when she started being called a socialist. Shed rather be seen as a Senate Institution as basically ted kennedy was. When he decided to stop running for president. Yeah. We put the scenario out there for hillary running in 2016. If that happens, she may be more serious. My thanks to Wesley Lowery from the Washington Post, slates dave weigel for coming in. Some parts of the country are ankle deep in Climate Change. Thats next. laughs its more than just a meal, its meow mix mealtime. With wholesome ingredients and irresistible taste, no wonder its the only one cats ask for by name. Im dave and i have copd. Im kate and i have copd, but i dont want my breathing problems to get in the way my volunteering. 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Theres a reason for it too. Yes. The arctic ice thats melting is threatening the entire coast line but south florida is sitting on limestone which is especially porous. All of that extra water is soaking in and bubbling up. It could dramatically and permanently change south florida, predicting that sea levels will keep rising by as much as four feet by the end of the century, which means Climate Change isnt so much a future thing in south florida so much as its already here. On tuesday president obama was asked about it. We can take some hitgatimiti efforts but if we dont tackle the longterm problem of Climate Change, if some of the predictions about two, three, four, fivefoot increases in sea levels occurring come true, then its going to be very hard for miami not to go through catastrophic changes. So weve got time to do something about it. Weve already increased fuel efficiency standards on cars, doubled production of clean energy. Were going to be making sure that power plants are more efficient. But even with those steps, were not taking enough action. You can measure the effect of whats happening in florida not just by the rising tides but by the silence. The New York Times wrote about the Climate Change report and flooding problems in miami this week they noted that senator marko rubio, governor rick scott and former governor jeb bush all declined to speak with them on the issue. Senator rubio and bush are both viewed as potential president ial candidates in 2016 and as the paper noted political analysts say the reluctance of the three men to speak publicly is because of the political reality of people grappling with Climate Change. Many of the solutions to Climate Change are things that the base of the Republican Party rebels against like the Solutions Like regulating the energy industry, taxing, taxes of any kind really. So some prominent Florida Republicans at leefrt for now on this issue are getting silence. When you look at the data shows the partisan decide on Climate Change, that reluctance to speak is not surprising. 25 of republicans in this country consider Climate Change a major threat. If you look among democrats, though, its a very different story. 65 of them see Climate Change as a very serious threat. Making it clear that Americans Still approach Climate Change from different ends of the political spectrum. Republicans called this weeks report alarmist while democrats like president obama warned that places like miami are already under water and say were running out of time to act. In miami we have was john morales. Hes the chief meteorologist for the nc station wtvj who was able to sit down with president obama and we have coral davenport, energy and policy reporter of New York Times. She wrote the papers article about miami this week. Alex buzz mass ski hes with george mason university, a conservative group making a case for the free market to deal with Global Warming and hoardly. Welcome to all of you. Joran, in miami, ill start with you you had a chance to sit down with the president this week. We have this report from the New York Times saying the biggest named republicans from your state, the governor, u. S. Senator marko rubio, former governor jeb bush, they dont want it sounds like they dont want to talk about this issue publicly right now. Is that something youre finding down there . Well, interesting enough the senator was here talking about it openly. They held a big open meeting on miami beach. This was about three weeks ago. Many local planes were invited. I know the city of miami beach is taking action with their new mayor and theyre using 2. 7 feet as the possibility of what they might see by the year 2060 as a planning target for the city itself. So there is some action locally. Its a polarizing issue. Its not sciencpolitics. Its science. You have a democrat being very public about this. As the article indicates this week, three big named republicans in florida apparently want nothing do with this publicly. Let me ask you. With the reality of the politics that youre seeing and youre talking about there in your conversation with the president this week, i mean this has been an issue, obviously, thats been talked a lot during his presidency. Did you get any indication from him given how urgent these warnings are right now about where you live . Did you get any indication from him that he is more optimistic about Something Real happening, Something Real to break through that logjam youre describing . Well, listen. Its like the president said. Its going to take mitigation to stop the rise of the ocean, of the sea level across the world. Theres a lot thats already been baked into the system. Theres a lot of the rise in sea level that were not going to be able to stop, and were going to have to be able to find some solutions which particularly in south florida are going to be quite complicated to be able to stop the rising seas because we sit on limestone, which is poro porous. The waters not just going to come in from the coast. Its going to come up from below. So as far as the president is concerned, you know hes taking steps at least in the executive branch to be able to work on mitigation and find ways to curtail the injection of Greenhouse Gases into the atmosphere. But its been, as you know, a difficult its been difficult to gain traction when you cant enact laws given the polarization of this issue in this country. Lets coral, your paper, the headline for this, the National Climate assessment was the report that came out this week. I mean this is the headline in New York Times. U. S. Climate has already changed, the study finds, citing heat and floods. Theres a map that went along with that i think we can put up on the screen here. This showed temperature changes all across the country. Tlirngs one tiny speck there, troy, alabama, where its been decreasing. The rhett of the country, its not a question of if temperatures are rising. Its a question of how much. We hee lite and you highlight in your story south florida, but theres a nationwide reality thats setting in here. Yeah. One of the most interesting things about the report, this is the most detailed granular study to date on the impact of Climate Exchange in north america. There have been a lot of reports, the big u. N. Report that talks about global impacts and Global Warming. Those reports sort of talk broadly about north america. This report talks about the impacts of Climate Change on cedar rehab ids, iowa. Where sea levels are rising. This is the first time you know, this takes us across the country into communities, into states, and shows the impact of Climate Change right now in different ways. Droughts in some places, flooding in others. But its really its a roadmap to whats happening right now an whats going to happen. So, bradley, how what is happening right now . You say the climate has already changed. Is any of the changes that are taking place reversible or is it now locked in and the question is how much more damage is there . I think one of the real points to emphasis here is were probably locked into some additional warming. Greenhouse gases last in the atmosphere over 100 years or so. But the key point is the decisions we make today impact on whether we get into a trajectory thats so extreme in terms of sea level rise, changes in heat waves, things like that that adaptation wont respond it wont be feasible. It will be more than we can handle. The other thing from our Climate Assessment report is that we really have probably already burned half the Carbon Dioxide that we can get away with burning if we want to stay under this target. So that as you look at the fact that emissions are still going up, it gets to the point we have to make these changes right now. Theres urgency. The longer we wait, the longer it remains impossible to stay under those targets at which point the risk goes up a lot. So theres urgency, an urgent warning this week and the political reality were talking about that has been the reality this week. I want to talk to you about whether the urgent warnings that came out this week might have changed or might have the potential to change some of the attitudes on your side of the aisle, your sort of the end of the political spectrum. I want to ask you about that when we come back. Try phillips fiber good gummies. Theyre delicious, and an excellent source of fiber to help support regularity. 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During the break you said you had some things you wanted to respond to that radley said. I want to give you a chance to do that. You heard the president say the debate is over, its settled, and its not is the problem. The debate over Climate Science is far from settled, but we do know that risks are very apparent and that the urgency to consider those risks is very apparent. But whats not settled is what we should do about it. Science tells us nothing about the normative questions that dictate our policies. In order to address policy responses, we need to have a normative debate about how much we value fuehrer generations, biodiversity, how much we value instability at home versus abroad. You cant set emissions policy without these deep ethical questions, and theyre up for the American People to decide through their elected representatives. Its tough to have that debate when the president is saying Climate Change is a fact, youre with us or against us and goes around to these democratic fundraisers and engages in per tube rahhive demography on the issue and shuts down the debate and tries to shut them down into camps of believers and deniers. So, radley, how would you respond to that . Because you just made the case for the urgency behind this, what we already lost, what we stand to lose if theres no more action. I would thing from the president s standpoint you would say cap and trade. There was an effort behind cap and trade that went nowhere. The clock is ticking. How do you look at what can he do . What should he be doing . Quickly to say Climate Change is a fact. One thing that weve learned thats come out in this latest National Assessment is how vulnerable we already are to what seemed like small changes. We look at sea level rise. Conservative projections, Something Like 2 feet by the end of the century. It could triple the chance for flooding, even if the storms dont get any stronger, raising the sea level baseline, you ee changing it from what was a 100year flooding convenient to that of a traditional mortgage. I agree that these are large societal discussions. Its not just about the science but its so important that were having the Climate Conversation right now so that we can engage with all communities including most vulnerable populations. The latest assessment talks about bringing indigenous groups to the table. Coral, i just wonder, have you seen anything in the political reaction to this that youve watched this week that suggests that logjam is loosening in any way or will loosen in any way . No. And whats interesting was you highlighted in my story that the three republican key lawmakers from florida didnt respond to my questions. I had actually i had started working on that story two weeks before and repeatedly sent them questions. I said any time they can talk, ten minutes on the phone while theyre in a car ride, this is what im interested in, this is the science. You know, it was very clear. I mean i think to each one of those offices, multiple questions. It was very clear they absolutely did not want to talk about this issue even though lawmakers like marko rubio and jeb bush are very comfortable talking about issues like immigration in which they are, you know, much more moderate, veer away from their party, are comfortable going to a place that, you know, maybe doesnt sit as well with the far right of their party. On this one, theres such discomfort, such unwillingness to even address the issue. Its almost like if they go off the reservation on one, you dont want to risk two issues. John, were sort of running out of time but i want to go back to you. We started with south florida and laid out what you guys are facing down there. Can you tell us quickly, though, is there a consensus what the solution is, how you can stop the change that we just outlined in south florida . Yeah. So i mean south florida is not the netherlands. Its not even new york city. And the solutions that work there are not going to work down here because of the porous limestone that lies beneath. So whatever geoengineering solution is needed down here is something that we still need to come up with. Ive been to workshops and conferences with scientist from the university of colorado, jim white. Jim white has been quoted as saying miami does not have much of a future past the 21st century. We need to take that as a challenge and try to find a solution to try to protect our coastline. All right. My thanks to john morales with wtvj in miami. Well be right back. Can help yl get extra stuff. Theyre the only cereals with box tops for education. You can raise money for your kids school. Look for this logo. Only on big g cereals. 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People have asked how president obama will respond to this. Watch in the next two or three weeks the white house to unveil a massive regulation regarding coal fired plants. Also happy mothers day to my mommy. Okay. Alex . Climate change is a real problem and the president is conceiving the worst possible solution. It raises no revenue. You cant build schools with that money. You dont need more government in any state regulations to deal with these serious problems. Kim bozmoski is an amazing mother. Happy mothers day. And act to. And Radley Horton who needs to say happy mothers day as well. Coral davenport with the fork times and alex bozoski with george mason university. Ing thats for getting up. Thanks for joining me. Coming up next, premier day soccer. Its coming up on all ten universal networks. We have norwich city against arsenal. Thats live. Thats minutes from now. Dont go anywhere. Ill see you next saturday here on up. 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