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Republican party that is poised to unleash painful consequences about the whole country. Some recess. Over the first to back for the House Of Representatives was in fact chaos. House speaker Kevin Mccarthy has been unable to move forward with crucial Appropriations Bills or Government Spending bills, and its not because democrats and republicans are fighting with one another. The fighting is happening among republicans. There have been ultimatums, insults thrown between members, closeddoor meetings, and no progress on anything substantive for which the house is actually responsible. And listen to essential the government will shut down, if nobodys past, mccarthy announced that he will open an Impeachment Inquiry into president joe biden. Now that is a gambit that is certain to fail. And i dont mean that mccarthy cant possibly get biden removed from office if not just impeach of the house, but a trial and a vote in the senate. It is unclear if a mccarthy can win Impeachment Vote in the house. Its unpopular with a small remaining faction of the Republican Party that still cares about governing. Which is probably why mccarthy opened the Impeachment Inquiry without holding a vote, as is customary. I had earlier indicated that he would do. But why would the speaker of the u. S. House of representatives who is the first and third in line to the presidency launched a project that appears to be both strategically and politically unwise . Well thats easy. Its because he owes that important job to a small band of farright conspiracy peddling when thats who belong to the cult of donald trump. N th mccarthy barely got a joa speaker, took him 15 ballots to win the election, and then a handful of members of his own party refused round after round after round to vote for him, preventing him to having a majority. A group of 20 republicans voted against mccarthys speakership, most of them were addressed by trump, most of them are election deniers. 14 of them voted to overturn the 2020 election on january 2021. In order to convince those holdouts to stand down, mccarthy agreed to a series of concessions, including more ultraconservative Freedom Caucus members to the rules committee which dictates the flow of legislation on the floor. He also agreed to appoint members like Marjorie Taylor greene to leadership positions, and crucially, he agreed to lower the required number of members to force a vote ousting the speaker, something that is called a motion to vacate the chair. Five members, to one, that becomes important. Amid becomes one farright publican could call for a vote to remove mccarthy around his job. So, with that agreement, Kevin Mccarthy put himself in his speakership at the mercy of any one member of the chaos caucus. His job, his power, at the mercy, a for example, a guy like matt gaetz. And theres a lot to suggest that gaetz is exercising that power. Before the summer recess, mccarthy said that if the house launched an Impeachment Inquiry, he would first hold a vote on whether to proceed with. It but then on tuesday, gaetz said on the house floor, quote, mister speaker, you are out of compliance with the agreement that allowed you to assume this role, and quote. By role, he means speaker of the house. Gaetz continued. Quote, the path forward is to either bring you into immediate, total compliance or remove you pursuant to a motion to vacate the chair. And quote. Gaetz essentially telling mccarthy, do it our way, or you are out. Soon after that, mccarthy announced unilaterally that he was opening an impeachment green to President Biden, no vote. Matt gaetz call that a baby step. But gaetz is not the only Chaos Caucus Member who might be flexing his muscles. Marjorie Taylor Greene tweeted that just two days before mccarthy announced the Impeachment Inquiry, she and trump had a quiet dinner wearing matching hats. Trump has been pushing the impeachment of joe biden on truth social, and his fundraising emails, and his text during his rallies, and for her, part Marjorie Taylor greene says she told trump that she won the Impeachment Inquiry to be, quote, long and exclusively be painful for joe biden, and quote. It all came to head on thursday. Mccarthy held a closeddoor meeting, when the reportedly begin by with him telling his conference, quote, if you think you scare me because why are filing a motion to vacate, move the effing motion, and quote. He said the whole word. The gop is right now in crisis. About the minority, just about 20 of, them who under the influence of the quadruple e indicted twice impeached ex president appears to be holding sway over the speaker of the house, and therefore, over what kind of work gets done in congress. And for that reason, weve got a doomed Impeachment Inquiry instead of a budget this week. For more on this, im joined by the former Republican Congress men charlie dent, who represented pennsylvanias 15th district, he is now Executive Director and Vice President of the Aspen Institute congressional program. Also with, us stewarts evens, see your visor for the lincoln project, he previously served as Chief Strategist for mitt romneys 2012 president ial campaign. Stu is the author of multiple books, including it was all a lie, how the Republican Party became trump, became donald, trump and the upcoming the conspiracy to end america, how our old party is driving america to autocracy. Could see. You charlie, mr. With, you because even in congress, we just heard my conversation, i think, with jasmine crockett, who is currently in congress. She believes actually that we are headed for budgetary impasse and a possible government shutdown. And mccarthy is busy with this impeachment nonsense. It does for the core headed towards a shutdown, in, fact it resembles the 2013 situation. It is so unnecessary. Look, youve got a group of hardliners out there. They are trying to use their leverage and hold everyone hostage. They hold their breath, in the way for bielsa turned blue. Hold their breath, in the way fo theres a simple way o. This all chemically to do over Hakeem Jeffries and say, i need your help. Im gonna need to pass for many votes, clean some disastrous, instance and maybe pull over. They can get that with democrats to support. That is the way it. Because youve got mokgweetsi others, we want to the speaker, down there threatening the motion to vacate emma speaker. So i think mccarthy have taken up is, that he simply autumn arduous immensely, youre gonna do, and get this done. Thats the way. Out but so far, Kevin Mccarthy has not been want to do that. And he heard himself in the Impeachment Inquiry because the democrats are less likely to cooperate because of the Impeachment Inquiry because he did not have the votes in the house to pass. So hes put himself in a bit of a box. So, stewart, what charlie said, but it is sound so obvious unreasonable, he says mccarthy just wants to do what he wants to do. Mccarthy who, by the way, is able to impeach joe, because hes not thats gonna work. He cant do that. Its 20 people on one, side 20 people now decide who wanted constituencies that joe biden won and yet this 20 have got control over Kevin Mccarthy. Explain to me the math on this, and why this is happening. Look, i think its part of a complete collapse the Republican Party. I mean, ultimately, we talk about this group in that group. But if republicans in the group just join together and said, we are actually interested in governing, theres a lot of pass. Theres a lot of past what gaetz wants to do. Nobody likes his people. Everybody goes along with it. And it is really extraordinary to see a party that is completely lost any belief that it is governing party. Republican party just now chose to beat democrats. It is like a cartel or a syndicate. Nobody asks opec, what is your higher purpose, and thats what the Republican Party is about. And if they think going in for a president ial election and talking about Hunter Bidens laptop in impeaching joe biden, is gonna be persuasive to people, theyre going to lose these seats. These 18 members out there and District Biden warns. We lose a lot of them, its gonna be a bad year for, them and hopefully theyll realize that in try to start governing the country. But surely, this is important stewards. As was talking about was a good lie, nobody asked opec whether higher purposes. But the Republican Party in america and the Conservative Movement in america should appeal to a very broad range of people in america. There is a real opportunity for conservatives. On a talk about this to stewardess ekin, but you saw mitt romney saying, im throwing in the towel. That makes a lot of people said, but a lot of people who liked him say that mitt romney was a fair opponent to have on their. He was admitted principles, and he has decided that this fight is not worth it. Yeah, of course. Mitt romney is a wonderful man. An honorable man. A very good public servant. But i think the Republican Party needs to become, as you said, a governing party. And what i mean, is that we have to define that. I think we have to believe in a Strong National defense, we have to believe in free markets with a moderate, reasonable regulation, and it needs to be socially tolerant. That is among other things. I think thats where the party needs to go, but we are not having that conversation. What happens since donald trump has taken the reins of the party is that we have trumpism, which is nativism, isolationism, protectionism, a times nihilism. And it is just really, we are in a very bad place as a party. And we have to be honest, trump is moving, is that we can name like a governing party. And the good news is, back in the spring of may or june, when they were they cut the deal on the debt, sealing i thought Kevin Mccarthy did a good job cutting a deal. But then his rightwing takes his legs out from under him and basically undermines the agreement. I think we simply just have to push aside these characters. There is a way to do it. Most of these members dont want to deal with that group that wants to blow the place up every day. There is a way out. But the party has to be for someone who is forwardlooking, and returns to something that was better. We had to have it for people like mitt romney in congress, the kind of the republican guys that identified. With lets talk about that. The way that the party goes down the road its talking about is to leadership, it is through people. Charlie talks about there but we can, party the new Republican Party, in the Republican Party that folks on Strong National defense, free markets, and being socially tolerant. That describes mitt romney. Yeah, you know, i dont think people abandoned it. Ople the conclusion i came to after trump was that a lot of these things but i think were values just turned out to be, for most of these people, marketing slogans. Character counts. Stronger national defense. The deficit matters. Its not that the party has drifted away from those things, the party has become opposed to those things. And why do you do that . You only do that if you never really believed in these things. So, i really dont see a path forward, as long as Republican Party rejects every chance it has to go in a different direction. It could impeach donald trump. They didnt. Well theyll trumps. Back you have someone who is a Majority Leader of the senate who is, minority, and who is afraid to say Donald Trumps name. Mitch mcconnell wants a Donald Trumps name. So, at a certain point, leadership has to be about something close to courage, and this is a party that has become dominated by cowardice. And, charlie, do you see that ability to get the party there or somehow, or are you one of those people who shares the view that the Republican Party is going to have to the sort of almost crunched out of existence before can rebuild. Can the hold be taken back on the party at any point in the near future . In the near future, i dont think so. And thats really concerns. Me but that doesnt mean we shouldnt try. Those of us who want to get back to something better. And what stuart just said about some of these convictions who were not stronglyheld, or i gotta tell you, ali. I remember back when donald trump proposed tariffs on, naming a National Security on still loom to places like canada. I objected to that in the caucus. I thought this was a strong Hill Position that we believed in freer trade, and this is insulting to go to our canadian allies and say, you know, your National Security threat, so are going to post tariffs on your still looming. Am i, said it had barack obama proposal like that, we wouldve had a bill on the floor that day, and we wouldve stuck it you know where, and i said we should do the same thing now that donald trump has done. It and i was shocked so many of my colleagues in time didnt want to lift a finger. I said, but this was a core principle. And i just woke up and said that maybe some of these principles werent that strongly held. Answered all trump just in and go on a completely different direction and too many would just blindly follow him. I will tell, you charlie. You are also welcome on the show. But saying these nice things about canada just got you your next invitation, will be scheduling with u. S. Soon as we go to a commercial. 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And these attacks inside russias internationally recognized borders have not triggered a Nuclear Response from russia, which the kremlin has repeatedly threatened, or even resulted in a significant russian attacks on ukraine, more have many more frequent Drone Attacks on Russian Military targets in and around russian occupied crimea, including the total recent drone and crew strike which damage to russian warships, a landing ship in a submarine, according to ukraine, and sevastopol. This is the main base of russias black sea fleet. And, reality after more than a year and a half of intense warfare, russia doesnt really have the ability right now to conduct that sort of non Nuclear Escalation in ukraine. One of the reasons why Vladimir Putin was at the cosmodrome and far eastern russia meeting with one of his most loyal allies, north koreas kim jongun. North korea needs Russian Military technology and russia needs access to north koreas vast stock piles of already built military arms, which coincidentally are based off of old soviet technology. Also, inside russia, on friday, the u. S. Ambassador, ben tracy, met with the Wall Street Journal reporter in u. S. Citizen even gershkovich at lefor to prison, with the Embassy Meeting tweeting that gershkovich, quote, law remain strong and is keeping up with the news. Russia detained gershkovich earlier this year, claiming that he is a spy, though they provided no credible evidence supporting that claim. Putin strategy seems to be more about some pressing dissent and jailing those who call the war exactly what it is, a war. Including the opposition leader, alexei navalny, who was just sentenced to another long jail sentence, in russian opposition politics, the Washington Post contributor, and our longtime friend, Vladimir Caramel to. Courts it was arrested in april 2022, the day after appearing on the show for daring to speak out against putin and his war in ukraine, including just calling it a war, something that is now illegal to do in russia. Karen moores, who now suffers from multiple health issues, has been sentenced to 25 years in prison, yet, throughout it all, has remained defiant, bravely standing by his beliefs. Last, week the Washington Post went for an important piece by him called, change will come to russia abruptly and unexpectedly. In which car more that uses russian history of revolution to argue that another one is inevitable, and will happen suddenly in the foreseeable future. Notice on your screen, read and. Sheriff tweeted it out as well. As for how the Washington Post was actually able to obtain the peace . In emotional editors note explains, quote, on september 4th, authorities at the Moscow Detention Center where he has been held for more than a year informed his lawyers that he was no longer in custody there. Though his precise whereabouts are unknown, it is likely that he is going to be transferred to a Siberian Prison where he will be expected to serve at the rest of his 25 year sentence. What follows is a transition of a russian language test, the test he was able to write before the end of the departure, and quote. After a quick break, im going to talk to a colleague and close friend of Vladimir Carvana in someone who has firsthand experience with russias history of brutally punishing dissent. Punishing dissent. Punishing dissent. A state thats untouchable like eliot ness say what you say, but give me that bomb beat from dre let me serenade the streets of l. A. 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And quote. Joining me now is hes a close friend of vladimir comma, before he wrote he was the largest foreign investor in russia until 2005, when bill himself was declared a threat to russian National Security for exposing corruption in state owned companies. Hes also the head justice campaign, name for his former lawyer, sergei magnitsky, who died in russian prison, after exposing fraud by government officials. He was also the a true story of russian money laundering, murder, and surviving Vladimir Putins wrath. Its good to see you, never under good circumstances. I would ask you about vladimir and this oped, the way he got it out, and the fact that hes making an argument that is why Vladimir Karamurza is a leader. He saying that something is possible, that seems at the moment entirely implausible and impossible. For the exact reason that he has called effectively called putin the king whos not wearing any clothes, thats why hes in jail for 25 years. Hes brave enough to say the obvious, which is that, why would russians want this dictator . What would they want to put themselves in this position, where you have a dictator, a kleptocrat, a murderer, controlling their lives . In their country . Hes right. Russian people, theres a rumor, or there is a myth that putin is somehow popular. Its just not true. Russian people are just too afraid to say anything about him, because if you do, look what happens to vladimir, look what happened to all sorts of enemies. They get kill, they get imprisoned, think it all sorts of things. Vladimir is stating something for us, which is very obvious, he sees it for himself, russian people dont want to be living in this terrible situation. And hes absolutely right, when the Pressure Cooker keeps increasing pressure on the russian people, at some point is going to blow. We dont know when, we dont know how. But it will blow. Bill, in this country, we have a whole lot of people who believe that the 2020 election was stolen, and on and on. Because they hear it on social media, and they see it in media that tells them that. How does that work in russia . Do people get proper information . Can they critically examine the information they get, given the restrictions that are on the media in russia . I would say at this point, no. There used to be a thin sliver of free media, have a couple opposition newspapers, some web channels, and so on. When the war started in february of last year, all of that was shut down completely. And so, all the russians really no, it is the propaganda they see on television, and they hear, and then their lives. Which are completely not great. 1 million young men left the country because they didnt want to be sent to ukraine, and become Cannon Foreigner in putins murderous war. They were not they were obviously not believing what they saw on television. Those are the ones that had the Economic Resources to do so, a lot of people in russia just dont. I would say a lot of its kind of hard to cover up the terrible war that theyre losing. That theres drones coming in, Attacking Moscow and various other places. Everybody knows somebody. Many drafted to the front. You cant get netflix and instagram, and all this other stuff that used to be able to get, you can travel. Life is obviously different, not good. There is no propaganda that can change. That theres probably a few nationalists out there, but theres a lot of people just saying, i want to have a normal life. Why is this happening to me . Why is this monster creating this terrible situation for us. Theres an interesting Interest Section between what youve done people in other countries who can have influence, to cause countries that have Human Rights Abuses to try and do the right thing. You are saying that the same thing needs to happen for people like Vladimir Karamurza. As far as youre concerned, he is not fully lawfully detain person, and in america, leaders from both Political Parties should be agitating for his release. There is a special provision under the u. S. Law, its called the levinson act, which says that if a person is given the status of unlawfully detained, the u. S. Government will use all tail available to it, to push for that persons freedom. Evan gershkovich got the status, and he deserved. It Vladimir Karamurza satisfies all the legal criteria, has not gotten the status. It will be hearings in washington on wednesday this week, to impress to the State Department, why is Vladimir Clara Mers of not being given the status of unlawfully detained, so the u. S. Government can fight for his release . And as you mentioned, theres lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, we had a letter to the State Department that was signed by 50 senators, half democrats, half republicans, 33 members of the House Of Representatives, pushing on the State Department to give vladimir the status. Vladimir is now, i would say, the most beloved political prisoner from the west hes the guy who stands up for the russia should be. Hes the person who says russia peacefully coexist. Hes one who said that this war shouldnt be happening. Hes one who said that ukraine should be given reparations. Hes the one that we should be fighting for, in addition to evan gershkovichs, so that he can be freed and he can be the voice of the russian opposition. Not dying in prison. If anybody knows how to move the leaders of power, you are certainly one of those people. I wanna point out, if youre magnitsky act, which you have had implemented in many countries, its now been introduced in serbia. 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Employees are demanding 40 raises over four years, which they say would put them in line with the pay increases that the companys ceo have received. One of the automakers, stellantis, which is the Parent Company of what we used to know of as vietnam chrysler, said yesterday that it rate offered raises of close to 21 along with inflation protections. Sounds pretty good. 21 . 21 is half of the rays that the union is requesting. Consider this, stellantiss own ceo, carlos tavares, total in 22 in this single year, in 2022. General motors ceo has received a 34 increase over the last four years. 40 oh, jim farley, who made more than 20 million last year, made about 21 more than his predecessor did in 2019. But raises only tell part of the story. Carlos tavares still makes 365 times more than the median stellantis a ploy. Mary bera, makes 362 times with the median gm employee earns. Jim farley salary is about 281 times more than the median ford employee earns. Joined now by robert reich, who served as the United States Labor Secretary in the Clinton Administration hes, now a also with me, one of americas foremost labor leaders, sarah nelson, who is currently serving her third term as the president of cwa. Welcome to both of you. This is important conversation, im glad to have you both here. Sarah, lets start with you, because you and i have start sometime last few months talking about the summer of worker impairment. When youre looking at on the surface, youre asking for 40 raised over the course of a contract. Theyre saying, our bosses got these races. The share prices are. Up the profitability a have a piece of the action if theres a cut, theres cost cutting involved. If theres tough times, if theres recessions, if theres covid. But not that much of a hurry to get the money to the workers when times are good. And right now, for the Auto Companies, times are good. The demands are within the range of what the american we are expects, and should expect. After years of cuts, and concessions, and dont forget, when the Auto Companies were in trouble, it was the workers who bail them out right alongside the American Public. They took incredible concessions, including this tier system that means that some of the workers, the majority of workers, actually, are making far less pay. Do not have secure retirement, to have to have secure health care and retirement, and theyre fighting to end all of that. Theyre fighting to turn around the wrong direction that this company, that this country has been going and. The expansive difference between ceos, billionaire class, but the average worker in the country who makes this country run. And thats kind of the point for a lot of people. Were not all suffering. You talk to the average american, and theyll tell you theyre having a hard time making ends meet, with inflation. But actually the whole country is not suffering. Lots of people are not if you got money to invest in the stock market, youll be doing particularly well. And if you are a whitecollar executive in this country, you have fared really well. But if you go back over time, you and i have talked about this many times, over 50 years, and you look at the median worker in this country, there are many cases earning less than what they were 50 years ago. Thats exactly right. In fact, its shocking when you look at 1969. 1969, the average weekly, non supervisory wage, thats the way different people who are nonmanagers and not supervisors, was higher, adjusted for inflation, than it was today. And so, you have an economy that over the last 48 to 45 years, 50 years, has done wonderfully well overall, has exploded. Its about two and a half times what it was then. But the typical worker, the non supervisory workers, the worker on the front line, is actually worse off. But terms of real purchasing power. In terms of, non inflationary, ingested for inflation, and this is ridiculous. We used to have an economy that works for everybody. Now we have an economy that works for people at the top. The big investors, and the ceos, and the top executives. Thats not only unfair, it doesnt even sustain itself. Where are all the consumers gonna come from, if people dont have money in their pockets . Even henry ford understood this, at the start of the last century. Thats why he gave everybody in forward a race. Because he understood that, where are the people going to come from to buy the new model t forwards, if they dont have money in their pockets . I think that we have got totally off course, we now have a two Tiered Structure of the economy, and this is not only unfair, its bad for the economy overall. Sarah, tell me what your thoughts are on this. So Secretary Reich is a hunted percent correct, and the only thing that i would say is that henry ford came to that conclusion and the fighting autoworkers made him come to that conclusion, when they built up the union contracts, and built up what many praised as the middle classed. The next Standard Of Living, the Standard Of Living we should expect as american workers, and the promise of what this country has been this is a country for everyone to prosper. And everyone to Equal Lee Prosper in this country. Both of you stay there, i want to talk about the new approach that some of these unions are taking, and terms of trying to get the concessions they need out of the companies, when we come back. Sarah nelson, and robert reich, stick with us, more velshi after the break. After the break. Get help reaching your goals with j. P. Morgan wealth plan, a digital money coach in the chase mobile® app. Use it to set and track your goals, big and small. And see how changes you make today. 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That was uaw president we will want to pick up our conversation on day three of the uaw strike, with former and the president of the cwa, sara nelson. Secretary, let me start with you. We still have a couple strikes ongoing for a long time. The writers guild, the sagaftra strike, u. P. S. Managed to avoid a strike with the teamsters, in which the teamsters got some remarkable concessions. But still stuff happening around the edge, with amazon, and starbucks. But weve got union leaders, like shawn and the teamsters union, who are saying i understand that this could affect the economy, to have strikes like this. I understand it but were doing this. This is the moment we have to use to fix these things, im sorry if its gonna hurt some other people, while we get whats to do us. What do you think . Strikes are not things that anybody enjoys. Its not as if workers really say oh, great, were now going on strike. No. In my experience, striking workers really do sacrifice. The funds that a lot of these unions have to help their workers during the strike, are not very much. And there are a lot of other ancillary workers who are injured but. The importance of a strike is to develop and enforce counter veiling power against these large corporations that have become larger and more powerful overtime. What workers have is the ability to strike. They dont have very much else. At a time when corporate profits have soared, at a time when corporations are providing to their investors huge Stock Buybacks. At a time when ceo pay is out of control. A strike is all thats left. Thats the way the workers, since at least the National Labor relations act in the mid 30s, thats the way workers have to respond. That is the tool they must use. Sarah, this is something that similar in your industry. The automakers came out with statement saying weve made very good offers to the autoworkers, and theyre far better than the automakers who operate in the United States, who are not unionized. Theyre making the argument that we are paying our unionized members than those others that are not unionized. This is often an argument that Companies Use when talking about striking workers. Whats going to happen is that workers are going to win here. Theyre going to stick together. I wanna be very clear, times have changed. 75 of the American Public are with the autoworkers striking. Thats a big change, and thats showing that the narrative that its the workers who choose to strike, rather than the companies who are now bargaining with us fairly, are the ones who are putting the economy on its head. No its, been the zack executives who have done that and the workers, with the backing of the American Public, are gonna turn that around. Were gonna strike, and turn this around. The workers are doing that everywhere, and are prepared to do it everywhere. Flight attendants at American Airlines have just took a 99. 5 vote. Alaska Airlines Flight attendants, to take on these Countries Companies to get what we deserve. Workers are prepared to do would ever intakes. It does hurt, but i also want to recognize that uaw is being very smart about this. Theyre using the Strike Tactic that is much like one did our union uses, called chaos, and theyre going to roll out the strikes on the unions time. Workers can also be creative. Robert reich is correct that this is our one tool that we have to stand up for ourselves, but we can also be smart about it. And we can do this in a way that can be sure that we can be one day longer, and when they stronger than the company. And thats exactly what happens on the writer strike, and the sagaftra strike, and the at the guild there. And they are doing this, and theyre gonna stay doing this, until they win. There might be one other tool theyre strikers have, today, and thats joe biden, and this administration, which is very prounion. Every time i talk to the administration about these things, they like to look like theyre not putting the thumb on the scale, if the strike goes on into this next week, we know that might get themselves involved. What does that look like . Well, its a very good question. I hope they get involved in the sense that they make it very clear, to the workers, to the companies, and to the public, that the administration is on the side of working people. There should be no question about it. And all of these industries, this is not only the auto industry, you see over the last four years, that profits have soared. That Stock Buybacks have soared. But actually, worker pay has gone almost nowhere. If you look at the future, with artificial intelligence, workers need some protection, they need some security, and when were talking about workers, were talking about most people in this country. Were not talking about a fall small group of Unionized Workers, those Unionized Workers are, in a sense, representing all workers, because all workers need to raise. So i hope the Biden Administration comes out very squarely, and unambiguously, for the workers. Thanks to both of you. Were gonna watch this all very closely together, thank you robert reich, they former sara nelson is the president of association of flight attendants, cwa. That does it for me, thanks for watching. Catch me back here and dont forget, velshi is also available as a podcast. Follow and listen for free, wherever you get your podcasts. Inside, with jen psaki, begins right now. Right now. The question of the week. Does donald trump know and that campaign events. 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