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Russias president Vladimir Putin and kim jongun. President trump admitted during an hourlong phone call he did not bring up russian meddling in the 2020 elections. Overnight kim test fired a newspaper of weapons over the sea of japan. They downplayed the significance of the test, south korea urging the u. S. To respond with caution. First, our nbc correspondent in asia Janice Mackey frar is joining us from seoul. What are you hearing about the weapons test and reaction from the allies . This move by north korea certainly raises the level of uncertainty here as talks with the u. S. Has stalled and lines of communication with pyongyang have apparently gone silent. South korean officials confirm for nbc news that several shortrange projectiles were fired. They traveled about 120 Miles Landing between the sea of japan and north korea. The message that appears to be being sent here by kim jongun is perhaps hes looking at lifting the moratorium that he announced in 2017 when he said that he was finished with testing missiles for now. If this is indeed confirmed to be maisel test, a missile test. So this suggests a change in behavior. The stalemate came about with the is collapse in hanoi, when President Trump walked away without a deal, but he said at the time he had a promise from kim jongun that there would be no return to testing. President trump was informed by the by the National Security adviser late last night. He tweeted today saying of kim jongun that he would not break his promise to President Trump but this pattern of behavior that seems to be evolving suggests that kim jongun is willing to escalate tension with the u. S. In order to gain some sort of leverage. Phillip . That was nbcs Janice Mackey frayer joining us from seoul. Thank you very much, janice. Now to the president s phone call with russian president Vladimir Putin. Nbcs Mike Viqueira is joining us with details now. It was yesterday when the president had a one hour long call with his counterpart from russia, Vladimir Putin, and he talked a lot about, as you might expect, world hot spots they have in common and potential areas of conflict, venezuela, north korea, talking about bringing china in with trade, whole host of things. They also talked about the Mueller Report. According to Sarah Sanders and later the president , they agreed there was no collusion. Vladimir putin according to the president said he knew that all along and they both agreed they would be moving on from that. But its what they didnt talk about when it comes to the Mueller Report and russias activity in 2016 election and by the estimation the American Intelligence Community and bob mueller himself, there are plans to continue that interference into next years elections, that did not come up. President trump perhaps mindful of a lot of reporting and photoop we will get to in a second here, very contentious yesterday at the white house, he tweeted this morning, very good call yesterday with president putin of russia. Tremendous potential for a good great relationship with russia, despite what you read and see in the fake news media. Look how they misled you on russia. Collusion, the world can be a better and safer place. Nice. What hes reacting to in part is some of the coverage and the questioning that he got from among other people, nbcs own Kristen Welker yesterday in an unrelated photoop in the oval office. Mr. President , did you tell them not to meddle in the next election . Excuse me. Im talking. Im answering this next question. You are very rude. So we had a good conversation about many different things. Did you talk about them not meddling in the next election . We did not discuss that. Did not discuss russias plan, again, in the estimation of the Intelligence Community and others to once again meddle in the u. S. Election. Sarah sanders, the president s press secretary at the white house, said this president , unlike the previous one, takes election meddling very seriously. However, it did not come up in that conversation with Vladimir Putin yesterday. Mike . Nbcs Mike Viqueira. All right, nice. Nice. Joining me now, betsy woodruff, politics reporter for the daily beast and msnbc contributor john harwood. Thank you for joining me today. The president has been criticized for not addressing election meddling with Vladimir Putin. Whats holding him back here . Whats holding him back is the election helped him in meddling in 2016. Look, that was a shocking phone call the president had with Vladimir Putin yesterday. It was reminiscent of after he fired jaxz james comey, his fbi director, he had the Russian Foreign minister and ambassador in the oval office and said the pressure is off. Gave every appearance from what we know about the call of a moment to celebrate with Vladimir Putin the end of the Mueller Report. What we know about the relationship between these two leaders is Vladimir Putin very much wanted President Trump to win in 2016, went through Great Lengths through his Intelligence Services to try to make that happen. And we know the president s been very solicitous of Vladimir Putin and his aides interaction. So i think this is a moment where americans have reason for concern. Betsy, the president has a history of embracing dictators and toll tallian dig tarts. Its not limited to just putin and kim jongun. What is the white houses explanation for this . Is this advancing u. S. Policy in any way, shape or form . The defense the white house makes of it is usually situational. In the case of mohammed vince amman in saudi arabia they point to oil prices, to their optimistic view that mbs will be helpful in Jared Kushners efforts to negotiate some sort of peace plan against the palestinians and israelis. They frame it in pragmatic terms. That said the jury is very much still out on whether or not mbs and the saudi royal family are going to dlivger on the promises they have made to the Trump Administration and whether they are more a help or a hindrance when it comes to american efforts to sort of calm that very troubled region of the world. In the case of other autocratic figures, trump says just admires the way they do what they do. Arigo from the fill beans has been criticized across the board by human rights figures and other governments by his brutal crackdown on the drug trade in that country, including nonviolent drug users who have been subject to intense violence. Trump has pointed to duarte and others who use comparably a violent means to try to fight Drug Trafficking as examples of people who have been tough on crime and someone he wishes he could emulate. Theres no question the president has a bent that defines this mode of governance to be really appealing and in a weird way its one of the few consistent through lines of his presidency and his private life before coming president , these kind of autocratic leaders he just tends to like. I want to ask you about the 20 race. The president this week went on a tweak tirade after the National Firefighters union endorsed former Vice President js joe biden for president. What do you think is behind that . Clearly the president takes the support of Blue Collar Workers seriously. One of his fop priorities is presenting himself, quote unquote a blue collar billionaire. A term you hear from trump ail lies and aids, talking about how they framed his race in 2016 and how they hope to frame it in 2020. If biden is able to cut into the blue collar support that the president prides himself on having, clearly trump sees that as quite threatening and thats part of the reason he was so exercised by the announcement that that Firefighters Union was supporting biden. Don, biden continues to hold the lead in the democratic field. You sat down with the president ial candidate, senator Amy Klobuchar, a we wideranging interview and talked about some of that. Heres some of what she had to say. Vice President Biden is a good person and was a great Vice President. I believe im the candidate for our times, and that is because im first of all from the heartland. I know how to win in purple districts and in red congressional districts. Like i dont think you have seen in a lot of the other candidates. The age is also part of it. You said a candidate for our time. For me, thats part of my argument. But it doesnt mean you couldnt be older and do the job. And im not being ageist here. Its just my story is different than everybody elses. I know you talked about a number of different topics. What stood out to you . Well, i think that exchange was significant because as Amy Klobuchar said, she wasnt trying to be ageist however our nbc the wall street journal polling has showed high level of concerns by americans across the board about voting for somebody over 75. Joe biden is right now in a fairly commanding position in the democratic race. He got a big bump from his announcement and his rivals will have to figure out a way to go after hix effectively without alienating fellow democrats and by noting that shes a younger candidate, somebody who is a more contemporary figure, joe biden was in the u. S. Senate when she was 12. Thats the kind of thing you are going to hear from Amy Klobuchar and maybe down the road from Pete Buttigieg and some of the other younger candidates as well. We will see if age is indeed a factor. John harwood, betsy woodruff, thank you so much for joining me today. Also developing this hour, terrifying moments as a passenger jet ends up in the river at the end of a runway luckily everybody came out alive. The boeing is still in the waters today. Jessica clark from our nbc affiliate in jacksonville, florida, has the latest details forbe us. Reporter phillip, the plane is in the st. Johns river off the naval airbase. The report was coming in here to land at nasjax. It was coming from Guantanamo Bay, cuba, from the naval station there. But something wrong took place that made the plane skid off the runway and into the st. Johns river e. Which river, which is right there by the Naval Air Station. There were 143 on board. Thats a mix of 136 passengers and 7 on the air crew. A mixture of civilians as well as military personnel. All of them were able to get out of the plane. They have survived. Some of them have minor injuries. 21 of them went to the hospital but weve told all of them have been discharged. The real sad part about all of this is while the plane was still in the river and investigation is just starting today, there are animals on board the plane. There were peoples pets, cats and dogs and we dont know how theyre doing because crews have not been able to get on to the plane to get to those animals but we have been told theyre in the belly of the plane, which could be underwater. We have been told the cabin has no water in it. The people who are aboard thankful to survive that scary situation last night. And the ntsb is now investigating. In jacksonville, florida, jessica clark. Back to you, phillip. A new deadline in a push to look at the president s taxes. Why monday is so important. And coming up tonight at 7 00 eastern here on msnbc, a special evening edition of a. M. Joy. 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Saturday on the stump, busy day on the campaign trail with more than to dozen events. Iowa hosting the most with five, the Iowa Caucuses still 275 days away. Lets go to the warren camp in osage, iowa and nbc road warrior le Leann Caldwell. Youre at the site of a meet and greet there. What are we hearing there . Has anybody made up their mind yet . Phillip, the Iowa Caucuses, were still months away so its very early but i must say theres a shift on the campaign trail. I was in iowa a month ago speaking with Elizabeth Warren and every voter was completely candidate shopping. The they didnt have a favorite. Now this is the second day i have spent with Elizabeth Warren and people showing up to her event are in her lane, shes in the top tier of candidates. So she seems to be gaining traction in iowa and the polls are reflecting that. There have been a series of polls showing her having a little bit of a bump. This is definitely the trajectory Elizabeth Warren and her campaign are hoping for and they hope this continues, especially iowa is such a critical state in her path to the nomination, phillip. Nbcs Leann Caldwell in iowa with the warren camp, thank you. Meanwhile, President Trump is facing a new wave of criticism after he did not warn the russian president not to meddle in our elections again. The two had a phone conversation yesterday that reportedly lasted at least an hour. This is a photo the russian associates released of Vladimir Putin during that phone call. And this morning the president again attacked the media and wrote theres, quote, a potential for a great relationship with russia. Mr. President , can ydid you address the mueller issues with the president today . We talked, he sort of smiled when he said something to the effect it starts offer as a mountain and ended up being a mouse. So we had a good conversation about many things. Did you tell him not to meddle in the next election . We didnt discuss that. Really, we didnt discuss it. The First Exchange between the two leaders since the Mueller Reported unee quickively the russian government interfered with the 2016 president ial election in systemic and sweeping fashion. The report also found the Trump Campaign benefited through information stolen and released through russian records. And just this week the fbi record is h this they will keep upping their game so we are very much reviewing 2018 as kind of a dress rehearsal for the big show in 2020. Meanwhile, a new umt maltimay House Democrats to get the unredacted Mueller Report, the attorney general will be held in context. It is gravely disappointing the attorney general is not withholding his oath of office and looking out for the American People and our system of justice but acting as a defense attorney and block on behalf of the president of the United States. That ag barr is in the way and will not last forever. We will have special counsel mueller before us. The American People will know the truth. Some republicans are defending the attorney general saying its enough hes given top Democratic Leaders limited access to some redacted parts of the report. They have been offered the unredacted version. Now theres one of those people who has been offered it, and they said they dont want to see it. They want the public to see it. Which is kind of a strange stance to take. I wonder if its because they want to continue on with their fantasy narrative while unencumbered with the actual knowledge they saw the whole thing the entire time. This is a disingenuine attack. It always has been. Joining me now congressman lloyd doggett, member of texas and ways and Means Committee. Senator, thank you for being here. Good to be here as well. What do you think of the president not telling russian president Vladimir Putin not to stay away from our elections . Incredible. Its not just donald trump but the future of our democracy, we know from the intelligence agencies that theres a real danger of interference in the upcoming elections. Theyve never given up. And hes parpapparently never g up on his friendship with Vladimir Putin, regardless of the reason. What do you think of what Vladimir Putin said or does . We need to push our agencies to make this a high priority, work with our state and local governments to protect the integrity of the election and be ready to respond as we see further evidence of these russian trolls interfering. Theyre out there. We need to stand up for democracy. Trez victim Steve Mnuchin said he will decide by monday if hes going to comply to your request to release six years of trumps tax returns. What is your plan if he did not comply with your request . I think he decided a long time ago that never meant never. I think we need to move forward promptly with enforcement action. We had an interrent subpoena power in the house. I think the Judicial Committee could use that also. There are several methods that can be used to enforce this but i dont think we need to rely strictly on the courts. I think we need to be ready to enforce that subpoena power, whether its against attorney general barr or mr. Mnuchin or irs commissioner who really has the primary responsibility here under a law thats almost a century old that says shall but its being ignored by this lawless administration. I want to read to you something Steve Mnuchin argues here. He said your committees request risks undermining the privacy of all taxpayers. He also suggests there no legislative reason for releasing the president s tax returns, writing, quote, exposure for the sake of exposure is never permissible of congressional inquiries. What do you say of that . Thats the gist of what republicans said over the last two years as i moved six times and they covered up the tax returns, when i say we have multiple reasons to get this information, particularly to see whether the audit has been done in a proper way. We know long ago when president nixon wanted to show he wasnt a crook and he disclosed information, the irs had not done a very good job of the audit. We look at the audit. We also look at the basic confidence people have in our tax system, who we pay our taxes, we need to be sure everyone certainly the most powerful person in the world as president , is doing their job. Of course, i have been concerned about russian and saudi interference in our policies to see with reference to his businesses what kind of conduct or what kind of involvement had the russians and saudis had with him. Minnesota senator and president ial candidate Amy Klobuchar sent a letter to special counsel mueller and asked him if he had access to the president s tax returns. Do you think mueller has obtained the frpresident s tax returns . I think its very uncertain, very appropriate that an abled member of the senate made this request. The oversight on committee is this uniquely empowers our commit dwr committee to get this. And Robert Mueller, unless hes investigating a tax crime, could not get the returns. So thats why its so important to enforce the kwts and when mr. Mnuchin says no once again and gives excuses, we continue to subpoena the documents. Congressman, thank you for taking time out and coming up to new york to join us. Well have an update on the cruise ship under quarantine, whether anyone will be allowed to leave once it arrives at its home port today. Shaving has been difficult for me. I have very sensitive skin, and i get ingrowing hairs. So its a daunting task. Oh i love it. 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It looks like similarly that will be case here now that the ship is back at curacao. What are Health Officials concerned most about at this point . What theyre most concerned about is the measles spreading. Its one of the more contagious viruses out there. If somebody has a con firmed case of measles, people who are not protected, have not gotten the vaccines or exposed earlier, theyre 90 likely to get the measles. If somebody is contagious, 90 of people not immune are because of vaccinations will catch it as well. Saint lucia has not had a confirmed case of measles since 1990. They do not want it there. You need to go. Curacao is saying can you get off if you can shoefw evidence immunity, if not you need to be on for the whole incouple period, which is 21 days. Some are say misinformation is to blame. What are inaccuracies people are not getting . Number one, this disease is not just a simple rash. This disease can be fatal and cause longterm consequences, especially for children. One in 20 go in the hospital, one in 1,000 get brain swelling and residuals from that and one in 1,000 can die from it. Its not a simple rash. The mmr vaccine got a bad rap in the 90s saying it was connected to autism. Its not connected to autism. That was debunked, wasnt it . Yes, it was demiss fayed, debunked. But now people are saying i dont want to get the vaccine because we havent seen the disease in decades, which was true but now its making a comeback. People are saying i need to protect my children and myselves, especially outbreaks in colleges, outbreaks on a cruise ship. Youre seeing more and more as the months go on. It can all be traced back to one report youre talking about a generation ago that was debunked not long after. Exactly. Some adults out there are saying i have been vaccinated but that may be martial immunity. Who needs to get the booster shot . Two vaccines give you 97 protection, as good as it gets with vaccines, highlevel protection. Most adults before 1989 got one vaccine. The cdc said if you got that one, youre probably protected unless youre in an outbreak area or highrisk field or travelly internationally, will you need two vaccines. For children, the recommendation is two vaccines. So for most people getting a booster might not be a bad idea if theyre in outbreaks or going to be traveling internationally. Its bet tore have a booster because if you dont have it and you havent in the past, it will cause various problems. Thank you very much for that very important information, dr. John torres. The next thing up, how far can the white house go to keep don mcgahn from spin all of it to congress . Well have answers for you next. Now from a unique perspective between yesterdays telephone chat between Vladimir Putin and President Trump, todays laugh lines courtesy of bill maher. The good news is trump finally today sat down and talked to someone about russiagate. The bad news is it was Vladimir Putin. 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If the president is being falsely accused, which the evidence suggests the accusations against him were false, and he knew they were false, and he felt that this investigation was unfair, propelled by his political opponents and was hampering his ability to govern e. That is not a corrupt motive for replacing an independent counsel. The president does not have to sit there constitutionally and allow it to run its course. Joining me now to discuss is jill winebanks, former assistant Watergate Special prosecutor as well as msnbc contributor. Jill, thank you very much for being here. Is barr asking as the president s defense attorney . Do you believe hes starting to politicize the Justice Department . He has completely politicized it but more importantly, hes wrong legally, hes wrong factually, and it is threatening democracy with what hes doing and at some Point Congress is going to have to take action to protect the role of congress as well as the right of the American People to know the facts. When you say take action, is impeachment included in that . Impeachment is one method. Holding him in contempt is another. Enforcing their subpoena is probably only going to happen through holding him either in contempt or through starting impeachment against him. This is not the role we knew when he was confirmed who he was. He had written a memo that takes a very far right wing position that is not legally sustainable in terms of the power of the president. If you were to leave it to one man to say, im not guilty, therefore, i am stopping this investigation, then no investigation could ever succeed against him, and that is a dangerous thing. People are entitled to know what the facts are and based on the facts that have come out so far, he is guilty of obstruction of justice. Theres no question. And that is what this case is about now. It is about the obstruction of an investigation, and its an investigation that doesnt need an underlying crime. That is a misperception and misstatement by the attorney general when he says, well, there was no underlying crime, nixon has nothing to do with as far as the evidence shows the original breakin. The real focus was on what did he do to stop it being found out that it was people from the white house and people from the committee to reelect the please that were involved in the breakin . Thats what the crime was. And the evidence there was john dean, mccord, one of the burglars who finally flipped on the president and stopped taking hush money and decided to tell the truth to get a shorter sentence, and all of that was confirmed by tape recordings. In this case we have don mcgahn, who equals john dean and andy donaldsons notes which equals the tapes. They confirm everything mcghan said and show how bad things are in the white house and what was going on to conceal and cover up, to stop an investigation that has some validity. The investigation is did anybody conspire to obstruct the investigation . And clearly that was going on. And history taught us about the coverup more than the crime. Lets talk about don mcgahn. You mentioned him. The president said he will not allow the former white House Counsel to testify before congress, threatening executive plinch. Does the white house have authority over someone who doesnt even wore for them anymore . They dont. He is a private citizen. They cannot stop him. They can invoke executive privilege, they can claim it, but its an invalid claim here for two reasons. One, it has been waived and theres no question about that. Its been made public in the Mueller Report. So the president waived it. Once you waive it, its gone. More importantly, the reason they waived it is because it was never there to begin with. People are forgetting you cannot use executive privilege claims to conceal a crime. When the conversation is in pursuit of a crime, its not protected by executive plinch. That is exactly what happened in watergate. Richard nixon claimed executive privilege and the courts said no, you dont have privilege if this is a crime. And its up to you to prove it wasnt. He would have had the burden of proof, and he couldnt sustain that burden because it was clear the tape recordings were part of a criminal conspiracy to obstruct justice. No, he cannot stop mcghan from testifying. Its as simple as that. Now, if mcghan refuses to testify because hes threatened by the president , which we know the president is not above, or below, im not sure which is the proper analogy here because the president will do anything, really in realistic terms he can and should testify. He must show the bravery that america deserves. He certainly cooperated with the Mueller Investigation speaking about don mcgahn. Another former watergate prosecutor of yours authored a the New York Times oped saying while these investigations, similar, mueller had a steeper hill to find because he didnt have the physical evidence that Archibald Cox had. Do you agree . In 2018 you tweeted theres so much more evidence needed to prove obstruction, all needed to prosecute that part of the state. Jill, does your offer still stand . It does still stand. Any prosecutor would be proud to take this seat. Nick possibly misper speceived evidence. He was not part of the obstruction team all. Hes focusing on the trial of the burglars, which has nothing to do with the trial of the defendants in the watergate obstruction of justice case. That case had no physical evidence. We had the testimony of john dean, corroborated, of course, by the tapes. We had the testimony of jeb mcgruder, corroborated by the tapes. We had a lot of other witnesses. But there was no physical evidence of obstruction. That oped is just missing the mark completely. It focuses on the underlying crime, which is not an issue because you dont need an underlying crime to have an obstruction of justice. And there is a motive for obstruction in both cases, and thats all it takes is to have a motive and to take acts in furtherance of that to obstruct and impede and donald trump has admitted on nbc to lester holt and in the oval office to the russians that he did the firing of comey to stop the investigation. He took a lot of other steps. He dangled pardons. These are similar things to what Richard Nixon did and for which he was named unindicted coconspirator in lieu of being indicted because we felt that impeachment was the way to go and that is indeed what happened. There were three articles of impeachment and one covered the obstruction of justice. One covered his misuse of power, his abuse of power. And one covered lying to the public and one covered the refusal to obey subpoenas of the congress. And thats where were getting to. I think the American People need to have a public hearing where they can see don mcgahn, where they can see corey lieu endo yousky, where they can hear Annie Donaldson corroborate her notes and everything that is happening. We need to hear them and judge their credibility. Then maybe can decide. One or oped was judge sugarman, who talks about the burden of proof. I think thats important in our lives in terms of deciding who we will vote for, it is a question of not reasonable doubt. Beyond a reasonable doubt is just preponderance of evidence. The preponderance and beyond a reasonable doubt are satisfied for obstruction. As always, we appreciate your unique perspective on this saturday. Thank you. Up next which polls show the candidate that could have the best shot next fall. Ave the best shot next fall. You need to buy a car and you want to get an excellent price youd think with all these options it would be easy. But with terms like msrp, invoice, list price, things get confusing pretty fast. You just want to get a real price and thats where true car comes in. Only with true car can you see what other people paid for the car you want and you can connect with certified dealers who offer prices based on this same information. Of those other sites do that. From end to end, true car is your only one stop solution. Escalating tensions between democrats and attorney general bill barr. House judiciary chair jerry nadler accusing bar of contempt. Nadlers new monday morning deadline follows defiance of his subpoena. Heres more on the president s plans he made one more outrage to the attorney general to come forward and honor of illegally drawn subpoena. I know speaking to the chairman, we will move forward with contempt proceedings if the attorney general continues to stonewall. Joining me now is democratic strategist joel payne, former Senior Leadership aide and Clinton Campaign staffer and rick tyler, msnbc political analyst. Thank you both for joining me today. Is this move for contempt proceedings inevitable at this point . It certainlies seem that way. It seems like the democrats decided to say the safe way to play the impeachment talk is talk about the people around the president , whether thats william barr or don mcgahn or bob mueller. Not necessarily focus on the president right now per se but focus on the people around him, getting mueller to testify, getting mcghan to testify and try to defy executive privilege, thats what democrats are focused in on. We will see if that bet pays off. Rick, do you think republicans want this . Are democrats risking playing right into the democrats hands if they go right after barr in this way . I do think in some sense if the democrats continue to position themselves as investigation upon investigation to somehow lure the president from office, i think that will have a backlash and the reason i think it will is because his supporters will become energized and rallying, will rally for him. I do think Congress Really as an oversight responsibility and they should conduct that. But they have to be sort of very careful about how theyre framing all of this. Joel, we saw three 2020 candidates take turns grilling barr on wednesday. Senators Kamala Harris, cory booker and Amy Klobuchar. Looking through the lens of their 2020 bids, how did they do . I think they did well and the two who stood out was Kamala Harris and Amy Klobuchar. These are two former prosecutors and women who have shown themselves to be incredibly impressive in that type of setting. And whats most important is it reminds voters of what potentially that would look like with an Amy Klobuchar or Kamala Harris on stage with donald trump r donald trump prosecuting case if you will against donald trump. A lot of primary voters were probably happy to see that and i wouldnt be surprised to see a boost in their numbers in the coming days and weeks. A new poll looks out who would come out ahead if the president ial election was right now. It as beto orouke with the biggest lead, although joe biden and Bernie Sanders have leads outside the margin of error. What do you lead into that . The Democratic Party is very energized to replace donald trump. Look, its clear to me now joe biden is the person to beat here. And heres the reason why, we think of the Democratic Party as a Young College educated party but the fact of the matter is most democrats are over age 50. Fair not all college educated, and joe biden is cleaning up with those people. And it tends actually the Democratic Party is about 20 very liberal but theres a large part of the Democratic Party that is conservative, not my kind of conservative, but conservative. And joe is right where the party is. So hes dominating and hes dominating fundraising. He had a terrific launch. He just seems to be right where the party itself is and not the party that necessarily puts itself forward on cable news. I think Vice President biden has had a really great launch here, and i think thats fine but i think the bigger point to Pay Attention to is whats the reason for the biden surge in polling that weve seen . By the way, whats the reason for the Elizabeth Warren surge in polling weve also seen . Its black voters, its black women. I have written extensively about how i think the democratic nomination is going to run right through the heart of black america. The polling numbers i have seen lately demonstrate to me a lot more faith in that theory that ive had. I think that black voters are the biggest indicator of who will be the next democratic nominee. Yep. I was just about to ask about that. Rick, i want to talk to you about another phenomenon unfolding around the senate races. Top democrats are opting not to challenge republicans in 2020, Stacey Abrams and just joining those outbid this week. How would you explain that . Is there a recruiting problem here . Im told that Chuck Schumer is blowing the recruitment of qualified Democratic Candidates to beat republicans. The other problem you have is its interesting because the republicans are defending 22 seats while the democrats are only defending 12. Thats a delta of ten additional seats republicans have to defend. But there are only two states where clinton won that are competitive and i would say one is not competitive. One is colorado, with gardner. Hes very vulnerable to a democratic pickup and the other is maine. But Susan Collins is very popular in maine and shes unlikely to be bheeaten by a democrat. You have a lot of people looking at the senate. The senate, we talk about executive temperament, people who want to get things done as an executive will not fair well in the senate, requires a legislative mindset. But couple that with the idea that many are believing the democrats will not pick up the senate because of this recruitment problem, and it sort of feeds on itself, why do you want to be a senator in a minority praerarty . It would be a tough call. 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And miracle in the river, an airliners plunge and scramble to safety. Good day from msnbc World Headquarters in new york. Welcome to weekends with alex witt. Im phillip mena. Alex is off today. Developing this hour, terrifying moments as a passenger jet ends up in the river at the end of a runway. Luckily everybody came out alive. The boeing 737 is nil in the water at this hour as ntsb are at the scene. The boeing 737 plane carrying 143 people was arriving at Naval Air Station jacksonville from naval station Guantanamo Bay last night when it slid off the runway into the st. Johns river. The plane was in shallow water, not submerged. 21 people have been taken to local hospitals in Good Condition as officials sank on board say everyone on board was accounted for. Were going to be getting a briefing soon and will bring it to you as soon as it starts. New analysis of the latest polling leaving little doubt why britney is targeting joe biden in the battle for 2020. Well, hes a sleepy man but i just dont know. Who knows really who can who can do the best. In many ways i like him. Hes not as smart as bernie. Yo, whoa, whoa, whoa, im going to be the object of his attention for a while. In bidens first full week as a candidate, he surged to a 13point lied over Bernie Sanders, a dramatic difference from a week ago. And it appears bidens bounce may be coming to the expense of Bernie Sanders. We will go to iowa u. Mike menially in South Carolina and elections guru Professor Larry chabadio and from axios and the nation, don nichols in des moines, iowa. First, done hillard in talking miguel, and you told me your top two candidates are bernie and biden. And we heard a lot of that outside. I want to introduce you to one senior here out of iowa state university. That is what he told us a few minutes ago. Bernie implementing the moral social programs like free college, giving prisoners the right to vote, all of that stuff. With trump is a businessman, he believes in business ethics. What do you need to hear from Bernie Sanders or joe biden on that front . Mostly what theyre going to do on the agriculture front. He owns about 100 acres of farming land in southern iowa and appreciates President Trumps trade efforts despite the effect on his operations. But it was Bernie Sanders who in a tweet just two days ago spoke directly on the agriculture issue, which is an important element here in this state. Bernie sanders after joe biden suggested china was not as big of a force and competitor to the United States as others would suggest. Bernie sanders in part tweeted, its wrong to frepd china isnt one of our Major Economic competitors. When were in the white house, we will win that competition by fixing our fair trade policies. Essentially Bernie Sanders is trying to reach out to students like bill you just heard from. Phillip . Nbcs vaughn, we appreciate your efforts today. Joe biden is turning his attention to South Carolina this weekend. The former Vice President s appeal to black voters expected to be tested as he makes his First Campaign stop in columbia. As vaughn mentioned, thats where we will find nbc political reporter mike memoli. How important is bidens first trip to South Carolina as a 2020 frontrunner here . Yeah, phillip, vaughn is exactly right, South Carolina is absolutely a critical part of the Biden Campaign strategy. Of course they want to and expect to do well in iowa. They want to and expect to do well in new hampshire, the first two states in the order. But South Carolina is the first primary of the contest for which the majority of the vote will be africanamerican voters and the Biden Campaign thinks he has a unique connection to him. Of course, this is a marathon, not a sprint. The Biden Campaign is feeling very strong, very confident based on some of these early polls youre talking about. Youre mentioning the politic average, joe biden had 35 in a very crowded democratic field, jump of six points in the last week. What we found so far in the Biden Campaign joe biden is the most electable person in the race to beat donald trump is resonating and with we heard him make those comments. Lets listen to his concerned about the president and foreign policy. When the president tips arms to allies and puts his arms around the putins of the world and says i believe them over our security forces, it does enormous damage. Those comments coming before the phone call between President Trump and president putin. This comes while kbieden calls on the back bone of the middle class. You hear the cannons going off. Theres a con federal memorial day event. Thank you for your explanation, mike. I we were getting worried for a second. Joining me now the director for the sent of of politics out of the university of virginia. Thank you for joining me. The latest quinnipiac poll has given biden a 38 lead over other democratic contenders. How sustainable do you think this dominating lead is . Thats the question, is it sustainable . Based on history, it wouldnt be. That is it doesnt mean biden wouldnt get the nomination because i think a lot of democrats have looked at this enormous field the last time i checked had 23 candidates and said, oh, my god, weve got to get some stability, weve got to work this out earlier rather than later. Having said that though, he just have to look back in history and in 2007 at this time, it was clearly going to be Hillary Clinton versus rudy giuliani. Well, it didnt happen on either side of the aisle. Last time around no one at this point saw Bernie Sanders as a mortal threat to Hillary Clinton. Well, he was and it was a skprettive race all the way to the end. There are surprises coming. The only thing that might prevent this from turning out the way prior contests have, that is with lots of surprises, is you would have so many candidates that i think the average democrat is perplexed, even if they have a favorite. They look at that chart you all put up with 20plus candidates and they all blur together. Who has its a fulltime job to keep up with all of these candidates. Looking at it right now, its filling up the entire skrien almost. The official number we stand is 21. Lets look at the poll again if we can. In second place Elizabeth Warren 12 . That is an 8 jump from a month ago and its triple the support for a month ago. Larry, where do you think the surge is coming from . What does she need to do to keep it climbing . Its coming from people who are noticing that she is spending more time arguably than any of the other candidates on policy. On hard policy with details. And that matters to a lot of people who take the time and trouble to vote in president ial caucuses and primaries so that in addition to other things is the source of her strength. What can she do to continue it and sustain it . More of the same. Shes got the most elaborate proposals in the field at the moment and if she keeps that lead, it will help her. Whether its enough to win the nomination, again, you cant even talk about this as multi dimensional chess. Its like multi dimensional chess in ten parallel universes. Dont even bother to figure it out. When we touched on it earlier, the already massive democratic field has grown even bigger as colorado senator Michael Bennet has announced his bid. Larry, 21 is a great number if youre playing blackjack but is it a great number for a party trying to beat an incumbent president . Not necessarily. There are good things that come out of that. You have people campaigning everywhere with a basic message that donald trump has to be a oneterm president. Thats what they all have in common. And your message is being distributed in as many places as possible. If you only have two candidates, youre only going to be in so many places. Having said that, its confusing. I have been pushing for 31 so we can open a baskinrobbins with 31 flavors, flavor per candidate, but thats not in the interest of the Democratic Party. We all might need a built of ice cream after all of this stuff. Lets look at another quinnipiac poll here. This one asking democrats which one has the best chance of beating trump in 2020. Joe biden is number one with 56 . Do you think joe biden is the best candidate, though, to beat donald trump . I have absolutely no idea. Next question. I would argue with anybody who says absolutely this candidate or that candidate has the best chance. Who knows what condition they will be in a year from now, a year and a half from now when the election actually occurs . All right. Larry sabato, thank you very much for joining us and i appreciate the ice cream analogy. Joining me now, steph kieder from axios and john nichols, correspondent for the nation. John, youre in des moines there. What is your perspective on the 2020 contenders and issues atop their priorities . Well, i think the Top Priorities for the voters, its no question, who can beat donald trump. The last question youre asking why is Elizabeth Warren rising . One of the reasons why Elizabeth Warren is rising is about a week ago she came out very loudly for impeaching donald trump. That may be a very controversial position overall but with a lot of democratic voters, that has real appeal. So theres an undertow in this race, sub currents in this race you have to keep an eye on. In iowa today i will note Bernie Sanders, who certainly has some ground to make up with joe biden, started out at the Farmers Market in des moines, hes off to ames, i think, to perry, to ft. Dodge and other communities over the next couple of days. Hes doing a very intense on the ground rollout of Agriculture Farm and rural policy. Now, at the end of the day, its things like that that are going to matter, because joe bidens got his big bump right now but as the weeks go on and people start to talk about, well, how do you beat donald trump, because again theres that core issue, there will be an awfully big interest in the policies that may appeal not just to primary and caucus states but to the battleground states and sanders is doing a lot of that now. My suspicion is you will see him bump back up in some of these polls. I want to ask you about the president s tweet tirade after the Firefighters Union endorsed joe biden for president. What do you think is behind that tirade there . We reported for a while joe biden has been one of the contestants that trump sees as threatening. He sees joe biden as a great candidate, a real contender. And i its interesting to see joe biden is already going after trump. He is running as if he already has the nomination. Hes intentionally contrasting himself with the president and outright attacking him on his policies and his actions. Were starting to see trump push back on biden there. Its bog to be key for trump to create an unfavorable candidate whoever he runs against, especially looking at where his Approval Ratings are right now. Hes going to either have to see his Approval Ratings rise by the time 2020 rolls around or going to have to create an unpopular candidate to run against. I think thats some of what were seeing already. Hes already starting to name call and create an unpopular idea around these candidates who are surging in the polls. Do you think the president is essentially helping joe biden by putting so much of his time and attention on the former Vice President . Absolutely, 100 , totally yes. There couldnt be theres simply no question. Hes legitimizing his candidacy in a sense . Well, when you listen to what larry was just saying, everybody is saying today, that theres a great desire to beat donald trump. And so if you are already in a race with donald trump, if its a back and forth between you and trump, an awful lot of democratic voters, that helps them to take sides. So, yes, trump is helping biden. Its interesting that hes doing this game of saying biden isnt that smart. I think that is always a dangerous game for a president who often trips over his own tweets. I want to talk now about this weeks showdown on the hill. Attorney general william barr making a decision to skip the house hearing on thursday about the Mueller Report and escalating an alreadyacrimonious battle between democrats and the department of justice. What are the expectations come monday . Thats the deadline for barr to release the full unredacted report to the Congress Members . Were certainly seeing democrats continue to go after barr. I think its important to note that this is sort of in lieu of going after trump. They dont think its smart to go after an impeachment right now but theyre turning their attention to barr now. Theyre turning their attention to holding him accountable for the way he presented the Mueller Report and especially with the news mueller may not have been fully happy with the way barr presented it. I dont think were expecting the department of justice to release publicly the unredacted documents hes already leased the report with some parts redacted, so i dont think were going to see any working together on this issue. I think were going to continue to see democrats versus the doj, democrats versus trump over this issue over the Mueller Investigation. Steph kieden and john nichols, thank you very much for your time this saturday. To impeach or not to impeach . As democrats decide whether or not to go after the president , why some say it could backfire and send him right back to the oval office. And coming up tonight at 7 00 eastern here on msnbc, a special evening edition of a. M. Joy. She will set the stage for tonights premiere edition of saturday night politics with Donny Deutsche and his exclusive one on one with president ial candidate Pete Buttigieg. Buttigieg. Control your blood sugar around the clock. And with a 0 copay, lets groove tonight. 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We discussed he actually sort of smiled when he said something to the effect that it started off as a mountain and it ended up being a mouse, so we had a good conversation about many different things. Okay . Did you tell him not to meddle in the next election . We didnt discuss that. Really, we didnt discuss it. There was the First Exchange between the two leaders since the Mueller Report concluded unikwivically the russian government interfered in the 2016 president ial election in sweeping and systematic fashion. Meanwhile a new ultimatum by House Democrats to get the full unredacted Mueller Report. The Judicial Company warning he would hold the attorney general in contempt if he doesnt respond monday to a new counteroffer. This morning msnbc spoke with two members of the judiciary committee. The Trump Administration is now engaged in cat gorical badfaith defiance of congress. That a. G. Barr is in the way will not last forever. We will have special counsel mueller before us. Some republicans argue it is enough that the attorney general gave top Democratic Leaders limited access to some redacts part of the report. There they have been offered the unredacted version. Now theres one of those people who have been offered it, they said she 2k0e7they dont want t they want the public to see it. Which is a strange stance to take. And i wonder if its to continue on with their fantasy narrative while unencumbered with the knowledge they saw the whole thing the entire time. This is a disingenuous attack. Always has been. Also developing, High Expectations as the treasury secretary promised to allow by this monday whether he will release six years of the president s tax returns. Moments ago i asked a member of the ways and Means Committee what theyre prepared to do if senator mnuchin denies the request. I dont think we need to rely strictly on the courts. I think we need to be ready to enforce that subpoena power whether its against attorney general barr o mr. Mnuchin or the former irs commissioner, who has the primary responsibility under a law thats almost saintsaint a century old but says shall and being ignored by this administration. Joining me a democrat from texas and member of the Services Financial committee and member of the black caucus. Congressman, thank you for joining me. Thank you. I want to play you sound here. This is not the first time the president missed an opportunity to confront president putin about election meddling. I have president putin, he just said its not russia. I will say this, i dont see any reason why it would be. I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but i will tell you that president putin is extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. Congressman, how do you interpret President Trump not telling Vladimir Putin to stay out of our next election . I see this as unconscionable, its inconceivable. One can only imagine what it does to the decor of the persons who work in our jelintelligence agencies. They said russia interfered. The president has not. He talks about a great relationship between mr. Putin and russia. He may have a great relationship but the American People do not. Its the people we have to put above the american president. Its unfortunate he would make such a statement. You have been calling for starting articles of impeachment since 2017 after a new quinnipiac report said 66 of congress should not start impeachment proceedings, theres a sharp partisan divide, with only 4 of democrats favoring impeachment. Are you afraid this talk will help the president s reelection . Im concerned if we dont impeach this president , he will get reelected. If we dont impeach him, he will say hes been vindicated. He will say the democrats had an overwhelming majority in the house and didnt take up impeachment. He will say we have a koon constitutional duty and we didnt. He will say hes been vindicated. Heres what i say, were confronting a constitutional crisis as i speak to you. As i look the people of america in the eye, im telling you, we have a constitutional crisis. The chief executive office of the president of the United States refuses to comply with subpoenas and says he will order others to do so, this creates a constitutional crisis but this isnt the genesis of it. It started when the president decided woe fire mr. Comey for his fair failure pardon me, as a result of his desire not to be investigated. When he decided to do this and went on national tv at primetime and indicated he was thinking about this russia thing, that was the genesis of it. We have a constitutional crisis. I regret im the canary in the coal mine. I regret i was the person who had to first say theres obstruction taking place here. I regret it had to be me but it had to be somebody. I take my duties seriously. I love my country, and i want you to know this, we must impeach this president. If you dont, its not the soul of the nation that will be at risk only, it is the soul of the congress thats at risk. Congress has a duty, a responsibility and obligation that only it can fulfill. No one else can no. Other entity can. It is congress that will have to act. If we put people above party, well act properly. But if we allow a party to be above principle, we will not. If we allow political expediency to trump moral imperative, we will have created a shameful situation of this congress that will never live down, history wont be kind to us. We must impeach him. I do understand you believe you are duty bound but strategically speaking here, are you okay with the president going through impeachment proceedings and they at the very end in the Republicancontrolled Senate where he needs to be convicted headlines all over the country saying trump acquitted right in the middle of the president ial Election Campaign . Dr. King said and i agree completely the time is always right to do right. The right thing for the congress to do is impeach. Let the senate do what they may. We have to do what they must. This is not a game. This is not about whos going to do well in the polls. The polls will catch up with justice when we show people we have the backbone, the spine to do what this constitution demands when we have an unfit, reckless, ruthless, lawless president in the white house. We say that. We talk about it. You will hear democrats talking about how hes unfit to be president , how he is doing things that are unconscionable and unconstitutional. The question is this, will we go beyond these things being talking points and make them an action item . Will we take them to the floor of the one place in the world where the president can be brought to the bar of justice . Thats the house of representatives. Thats our moral dut dwroi do so. Moral imperative has the trump political expediency. This goes to the senate, it will not be politically expedient to have it happen, my dear brother, that will cause this country to lose the section of the constitution which deals with impeachment. The framers knew there would be a time such as this and president such as trump and if anybody cares to read federalist 65, you will find the words of hamilton, you will find the words of madison and jon jay where they explain why we at a time such as this have to deal with the president such as trump with impeachment. Texas congressman al green, as always, thank you for your time, sir. Thank you, my dear brother. 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They have a totally ordinary home life but it is in a lot of ways extraordinary because theres never been a married day man with a real shot at the presidency. Yes. We know now the division of labor at least has been settled in their household. During the interview you asked pete why we should have another male white president. I want to look how he answered that question. Lets watch. Im explaining my case for the presidency in terms of what i seek to do in the office. There are lots of reasons why various candidacies are historic. We can talk about the benefits that would come from having somebody who is different in that office, whether it be a white day male or a straight woman of color or an africanamerican male, whatever it is. All i can speak to is who i am and what i am, and how that forms me. I think each of us has that responsibility. Charlotte, what did you think about that answer . Its kind of the only way he can answer that question. Look, hes a white guy. Hes not going to not be a white guy in a year. It is true that millions of women in this country, who are looking to elect a woman president. Its also true that the black and hispanic voting bloc are really important for whoevers going to win the nomination. So the thing about his marriage and his identity as a day man is that it does set him apart from some of the other white men in this race who dont necessarily have any kind of identity hook at all to help them really reach out to any particular constituency. Dynamic we have not seen on the national stage, certainly not a president ial run. I want to look at a quote from your article. You write, quote, hes running as a healer, not a fighter, at a moment the party seems to be in fighting mode. Do you think this is a positive or negative in the 2020 race . This is a great question, one of the things thats interesting about pete and whats interesting about being an lgbtq american in particular is that hes had to bring people along with him on his journey as he came out and then got married. Both he and chasten came out in conserve tv communities in the midwest. Not everybody was on board to begin with. There were people, especially in chastens family, who had to learn to accept their son and his marriage. And thats one of the things i think pete brings to the case, hes able to reach out to people who maybe have not been on board with what democrats are saying or maybe even voted for President Trump and is able to say listen, heres why you should come over to our side. He has a real flun ensy with languages and one of the things thats a strength for him is he essentially speaks democrat with a republican accent. He likes to say on the trail there are people who voted for trump and pence and hix. And thats actually true. 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Weve known for years now and for decades even that the russian government has important businesses in venezuela. Were talking about billions of dollars being involved these two countries, especially when it comes to patrol yum. Venezue venezuela buys a lot of oil from russia. And politically its a way to send a message to washington, were able to have some force and some power here in your backyard, because were so powerful on this part of the continent. I dont think russia and putin are not interested in venezuela. The Washington Post has new details on negotiations and betrayals that led to the coup that never happened on tuesday. What do you think of americas efforts to depose Nicolas Maduro . Well, i mean, its all very confusing so far. Its very unclear. It is true it didnt work on april 30th, but we still dont know how many members of the army are beyond guaido or how broken they are of maduro. We still need to wait. We cannot say this is completely unsuccessful. I think this is a process. Once we saw what we say on april 30th with juan guaido being supported by some members of the army, something we had not seen before, with one of the most famo famous Prisoners Released and walking on the streets, once you see those two symbols, i dont think theres no way back. There might be a long way to go before Nicolas Maduro leaves power. And its really hard for a lot of People Living in the United States considering the hardships ordinary people are facing in venezuela, when asking why isnt it done . Why isnt this overthrow here just a done deal . Yeah, i know, its hard to believe, right . We see people really starving in venezuela. Many dont have access to water or power. The truth does that this is not going to happen without the support of the army. In army, every state, specifically venezuela, has a long history of being able to give power to the people who hold the office. Its very important to have their support. Thats on the one hand, the support of the army. On the other hand we have to see what happens for the inner circle. Thats where we will be able to see if something breaks out and Nicolas Maduro has to leave the country or at least leave the palace. Those two positions have not been able to get the support from them from the army, neither from the closest inner circle of Nicolas Maduro yet. And theres still a lot of criticism out there from those 245 say t say the u. S. Shouldnt be meddling with a bad history in south america. Julio, thank you so much, from our sister station telemundo. Thank you very much. How a oneonone phone call could have major election implications in 2020. One hour pickup order . Got it. Ran out of ink and i have a big meeting today. And 2 boxes of twizzlers. Yeah, uh. For the team. The team . Gooo team. Order online pickup in an hour. Hurry and get an extra 20 off with coupon. At office depot officemax. 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Well, look, the important thing is that russia has been trying to interfere in our elections for a long time. I was at an event this week with secretary pompeo that the hill hosted and he got asked about the russian meddling issue and what he said is, look, theyve been trying to do this for years. Its not going to stop them. So the important thing is that the government is taking it seriously and they are trying to ensure the integrity of our election process. Do i wish the president had mentioned it to Vladimir Putin during the phone call . Sure. But do i think that would have changed anything . Absolutely not. Amy, why are republicans concerned about this . Republicans are concerned about this. And i think what were seeing is a little bit of good cop, bad cop. That President Trump talks about having had a good conversation meanwhile our secretary of state is saying, absolutely not. Mr. Pompeo wants to be all over the russia thing. What i thought was interesting, felipe, is that the president said that putin smiled. Now no one has followed up on this. Does this mean the president of the United States is on Video Conference with Vladimir Putin . Are they facetiming . Are they skyping . What is happening here. And what does that information give to Vladimir Putin when hes watching President Trump react to his remarks. Or it is possible that that didnt happen. We dont know. Peter, i want to talk about this, the white house keeps trying to change the subject to the Obama Administration and shift the issue when election meddling comes up saying it was president obama who should have done more to stop russia. Was that fair . I was in washington this week and i got a very alarming briefing about this issue. I dont recall president obama overruling our intelligence agencies and contradicting them when they declared that russia was meddling but interfering in the 2016 elections nor did i have hear mr. Obama do what mr. Trump did yesterday which is once again to basically as the former fbi person you had on the show say the door is open. There is no doubt about it that this administration seems to have little or no concern. Frankly there are serious cybersecurity jobs unfilled at the white house and National Security counsel and the chief of staff to the president has told department of Homeland Security dont breathe a word of it and from the briefing this week were under assault, our democracy is under assault and the russians are doing even more for 2020 than they did in 2016. Lauren, President Trump overshadowed his good jobs report with this phone call to Vladimir Putin. So the question is why do this now . Could he be trying to divert attention from other topics like the attorney general, what do you think is going on with the timing here . I think it is anybodys guess. What motivates this president is difficult to discern. But the important thing is he should be talking about the economy. Look, we added 263,000 jobs in april, unemployment is at 3. 6 which is the lowest since 1969. I think a more a politician that practices more restraint would just be talking about that and nothing else. But President Trump is not traditional and so he is talking about the other subjects. But i think especially looking ahead toward 2020, the president and his allies in congress should just hammer the economic message home as hard as they can. Amy, the overall jobs report was better than expected. The Unemployment Rate is down. Lowest. 1969. But the impact isnt being felt equally by all. There was no change in the Unemployment Rate among africanamericans and hispanic americans are behind the National Average as well. What should the Trump Administration be doing differently to address this. We do know that africanamerican and hispanic unemployment is down. It might not be down where it was comparatively but under the Trump Administration it has lowered lowered, but i agree with lauren that President Trump is stepping on his own message when he keeps taking the bait and talking about russia and tells reporters he had a good conversation with Vladimir Putin. The conversation that President Trump should be having with the American People is about the economy and the success. The tax cuts, deregulation, all of that good news. But what we do know about President Trump is he goes after his enemies. He cant help it. He cant. Peter, the disparity in the numbers . The disparity were not discussing is in the Agricultural Sector and that is what the numbers dont represent. So in looking at them much more deeply and carefully, what were seeing in states critical to donald trump, wisconsin, nebraska and kansas, we have bankruptcies way up in dairy and in corn and other sectors. We have suicides that are alarming in these sectors. So on top of that, if you add what trumps wish list is, which is to basically destroy health care for americans, that is 32 million americans that would be without health care and theyre also be millions of people with preexisting conditions who will no longer have health care either. Then it makes it a lot easier in a sense for the democrats to point out that, yes, the unemployment numbers may be the best in 50 years or this or that, but the reality is for millions and millions ever americans things are getting worse not better. That is a problem so many people feeling the hurt. Thank you all for joining me. Thank you. The ntsb is expecting to hold a News Conference this afternoon about the airliner that kidded off into a jacksonville river. How did everyone escape alive there . Well bring you the update as soon as it happens. Soon as itap hpens hey allergy muddlers. Achoo . Do your sneezes turn heads . Try zyrtec. It starts working hard at hour one. 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They talk trade and north korea and even talked Robert Mueller but it is what President Trump and Vladimir Putin didnt discuss in their hourlong phone call that is causing an uproar. Plus one last chance. House democrats are giving attorney general william barr until monday to release the full unredacted Mueller Report or face contempt proceedings. And will he deliver. And breaking news, a airline slides into a river, taking place last night. But the plane still