Transcripts For SFGTV Small Business Commission 8816 20160826

Attorney client privilege. Public comment on that motion. All in favor, say i. I. Opposed . Well for the assert. What. Okay. Going into closed session. Were going back in open session so we are back if open session and we have settled 19 are 20 are 21 and 24 a motion to disclose the closed session. Second. All in favor, say i. I. Opposed . Other new Business Commissioners want to announce well not have the next Commission Meeting on august 23rd that is cancelled and next on september 13th same in the same room no future comments the meeting is adjournedmeeting. Okay ready this it is regular meeting monday, august 22, 2016, seeing called to order at 203 televised in the Small Business commission and thanks to the selfdoubt services id like to welcome everyone to the Small Business Commission Meeting of august 22, 2016, and the start time is the Small Business commission. Commission thanks to the services and sfgovtv staff business Commission Meeting. The meeting can be viewed on sfgov channel 78 or live streamed by sfgovtv. Org simply go to our website meeting is limited to 3 minutes per speaker unless otherwise established by the presiding officer of the meeting. Plaza spelling of the speakers name for the written record, and please deliver it to the secretary prior to sfgovtv please show our slide we have a reminder that the San Francisco Small Business commission is the only place existing business. Office of Small Business is your first stop when you have a question about what to do next and it is the st. Josephs of the Small Businesses in the county of San Francisco. It is fair to say if you need assistance start here all right. Okay item anniversary smadz commissioner dooley commissioner ortizcartagena commissioner toursarkissian commissioner yeeriley commissioner zouzounis absent mr. President , we have quorum. Great before we do item 2 id like to propose for the benefit ever everybody that is here we swap or we move item 5 to swap in front of item 3 so we can hear what everybody has to say and get along with the day all right. Commissions well hear first item 2 and item 5 and then three and four. Item number 2 general Public Comment members of the public may address the commission of interest to the public that are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the commission except agenda items. With respect to agenda items, discretion item. Do we have any members of the public that would like to speak during general Public Comment seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Item 5 please. Item 5 applications for replacement on the legacy business and adaptation for the legacy business for the businesses listed Neighborhood Health center and moby dick and the cafe and the Roxie Theatre and the studio and gallery and sf gallery and presenter it richard Program Manager of the Legacy Business Program. Is he here and regaining executive director of the office of the Small Business commission. One procedural needed e note i want to read into the record all applications will be considered tonight theres the staff asks different that will be considered at a future agenda meeting. Public comment. Commissioners, i just sent Richard Aaron starr relay ill start off and hell arrive here we go. Richard we switched items youll start with the presentation so, yeah letting you know. Hello commissioners how are you richard the legacy business Program Manager today, we have power point presentation for sfgovtv the administrative code section 2a dot 242 b says a legacy business means a business that is nominated by a member of the board of supervisors or is mayor and the office of the Small Business commission denominators and meets each the following criteria criterion one the business operated in San Francisco for thirty years or more with month break exceeding two years. Business may have operated in more than one location an exemption for businesses between 20 and thirty years old in the business has a risk of displacement criterion two the business has contributed to the history and or the identity of a particular neighborhood or community and criterion 3 the business is committed to maintaining the future that define the business with craft and culinary or art programs in the office of the Small Business commission includes the registry of a legacy business today, we have 10 business businesses coming before you a located others 3166 buchanan street in district two, four b department of education locate on 2575 Mission Street in district 9, 4 c images conscious on tenth street, and district 6. Four d mission Neighborhood Health center address 4 0 shot street in district 9 and four e moby dick on 18 street and pier cafe in the embarcadero district 3. Four g Roxie Theatre at the 716th street street in district 8 and four h the gallery located at noah street in district 8 four i sf parties on post street district 6 and four j twin peaks auto repair on district 7. Importantly tell drive criterion one have they operated in San Francisco for thirty years with no break in operation sxooed two years and termination for all applicants and criterion two have they contributed in the identity that have a neighborhood or Community Determination is yes and all applicants were recommended by the Historic Preservation commission criterion 3 are the applicant to maintain the futures or altercation that define their businesses with extravagantly or culinary art forms the determination is yes for all tenants and staff recommendation is that the smoefks include all and the registry of the legacy businesses i have copies of all the applications in the packet and Available Online as well. And there are 10 resolutions one for each the legacy business registry. Okay. Great once again that was and thrill to read through all the bios and the pictures there are businesses i know well and discover a few that will encourage memo me to get out thank you for that presentation commissioner and commissioners. Im honored to have moby dick in the castro so this is like an honor very cool and pier 23 thats like got to be one of the best restaurants in the city and that im really, really happy about this just because a Cross Section of tourists and locals i had friends that live all over the city we met at the pier 23 and you know what good for us well, were all great any other comments commissioner open up for Public Comment two minutes per speaker i think we have speaker cards well call them up. We do ill read them 3 at a time first is calling names . Great hello, im kari the owner of docks for the past 8 years in the 1950s we were a bar and a dentist bought the bar all of us at docks are part of Mission Neighborhood we have places for people to come in times of need and celebrations we love to help our neighbors and ready for the if you have any questions, well be happy to answer thems to help the firefighters and others our happy hours have benefited many local animal rescues over the past years and the cat and save a bunny and rescues sorry this is a hard topic we have a bargaining night an arts and crafts that bend the groups as well as groups and the art of San Francisco docks was the second bar to be recognized as a Green Business by the city of San Francisco were constantly searching to save energy and water and the previous owners sold them we choose to sell it to me ill continue the vision but were unfortunately my landlords have a different tradition not renewing our lease we have less than one year on the lease and planning to move receiving this in the legacy business officers will help us with the lease and help to cover some of the loss we plan to recreativity create this the important part well be bringing the heart of residents that is part of our staff were honored to reserve this in San Francisco thank you. Thank you. Just to a reminder that first going on for 30 seconds to go and dont mean to be rude but the second one that one youre off the stage all right. Thank you im the executive director of the rocky a resident of city the Roxie Theatre a fixture of the streets in the Film Community like the rocky in the mid a resource by hosting San Francisco premium festivals and under seen hes movies you cant see emotionally we continue to be the host of many San Francisco film festivals with the San Francisco international and docking festive and independent flimdz our audience didnt see Spanish Language and ran are an and showcase for the work while the rocky has its ups and downs we are thriving over 42 movie goes we have a great year but as you may know San Francisco has lost historic and movie ignores we rent our facilities our place in the city not assured last year our landlords tried to double our rent we had a rate higher than the previous rate but lower than than the last that lease only has two more years well have discussions happening with the theatre approval the legacy business registry will greatly assist us in a be long term lease and allow us to be a cultural fixture in San Francisco thank you very much. Thank you commemoration mine a 2w40e8 company you have not visited it with no idea where it is im not sure youll find it weve been in the business since 1980 ill assume you have the details ill tell you what way main problem it is not rents fortunately im my own landlords im sympathetic to the people we have problems of rent if i had to may marketrate in the city ill long be out of the city or out of business heres my business i sell in San Francisco and international and nation wide im operating in the most Expensive Labor market isnt world and paying a high rate of taxed when you live in San Francisco you pay property tax and payroll receipts taxed operating in this environment im basically up against chinese thats what it monuments to we see dock active art and copy wright problems by pricing issues it is difficult to operate a business in San Francisco and face the chinese competition my competitors are utah, vermont and virginia a friendly exert in walnut creek in austin, texas they moved to austin, texas because of the wage situation i wanted to say finally i tell my out of States Friends we live by the Golden Gate Park and park and rules prop j im grateful you commissioners are doing the will of the san franciscans thank you. Next few speakers are nancy, rebecca and fernando and the fourth will be eddy good afternoon commissioner im nancy and my husband and i michael and i have operated this gas station we dont feel a connection, however, weve had the honor of running our business over thirty years and our auto care a rentcontrolled place for neighbors to stop by and the vufrts of city can stop for direction our sign with the twin peaks is a geography california offering maker so unique and visible it is a directional tool twin peaks location incongress is a neighborhood business makes for an oil legacy business over thirty plus years weve recognize as leaders in the business and pioneers for defining owned gas station more than a business to twin peaks is a visual landmark our booing on the foggy nights we have weve got a film and a book called oil on the brain book clubs take pictures of our large sign we have our share of customers a large portion from the neighborhood and have remained over thirty years you people are our customers and neighbors and friends we almost lofty of lost our lease 2 would be an honor to be honored as a legacy business to continue our place in the community for decades to come thank you very much. Thank you. Good afternoon. Im Rebecca Sawyer and here ive been throwing pots at the San Francisco for more than thirty years 2w4 prop j passed our salvation our long term landlords had a new lease in mind that almost doubled our rent over the course of the 10 year period and this was presenting us with a problem the worst problem basically, were very successful business we have people fill up our classes between 3 minutes of online registration a three to four waiting list to get a locker a studio space but we decided to double our fees if our rent suddenly went up fortunately your landlord agreed to offset if we get a grant by the amount of grant over a 10 year period and saves the character of our business that has been very oriented at scott wagner having a wide range of artists to beginers and real Great Community spirit and in the castro since 1967 we moved into that space and establishment her studio there and died and lived there until she died in 1983 a nonprofit in 1987 and since 0 strong so help with the rent will totally save us thank you very much. Good afternoon, commissioners my name is fefrnd im Deputy Director at the Health Center i want to mention even though were a Nonprofit Organization we understand the mruth theyre going through and miss neighborhood has been providing access to medical care primary for low income latino families since second floor 67 and going to be 50 years we own one building and we leased two other building the building we own on shot well street is we have some murals that are date back to the 19 san jose and have one that was just a new mural that was just created around four or five years ago the height legacy is multi faceted with the roof in the 1960s civil rights 340e6789s the center was part of Economic Opportunity and Neighborhood Center as a demonstration project during the Johnson Administration were combfshd by the community for the Community Since our director of public works is the patient of the clinic for generation after generation served as a Training Ground for union people and Health Careers and many of them were pediatric patient and working with us our legacy is the Community Health and our response throughout the decades to the social needs like diabetes and obesity thank you for your consideration to this project thank you. My name is eddy good afternoon, commissioners and thank you very much for your time the restaurant has been serving food into one a. M. For the last 36 years San Francisco is a culinary capital of the United States of america but after 11 oclock you cant get food now we serve in the cal hallow neighborhoods the residents royal on the communities that a small neighborhood no sign restaurant can allow that in San Francisco many of us meet each other at places back east go to somebodys house but San Francisco you go to a bar or restaurant and meet your friends before the evening and the reason is 2 the front poach whatever we want to do but the brazen is that front porch for a very, very long time the brazen is sxhcht and what makes that the fact our employees have been working for us they have a solid place to stay because of that the broornz and the regular are families to the regulars that come in and everyone not to be recognized and know their name the house of hospitality was based on the good food for all the years weve been around and brazen is trying to continue that take into consideration for the line of questioning commission and attorneyclient. Next up calling names . My name is deborah eddys sister and 17 years ago i moved from new york city and i got off the plane at the sfo and asked the taxi driver to take me to the brazen head address he said i know exactly where it is this is a famous restaurant my brother has i went through and didnt have a job my brother gave me a job for a while and then did the book keep and became part of that brazen head family that was so wonderful having a place to be and meet new people especially being so far from new york and the food is great i felt proud to recommend it to any friends i notice that was without the sign everybody knew exactly where it was and begged us not to put a sign because the place they wanted to keep private their own benefit and that didnt work two well and have to share with many others some a great little place and cozy and keynote speaker and intimate and a great place for firsts like first anniversaries, and it will be a sin not to have it there in the future so with your help that will stay for another thirty years thanks. Hi good afternoon dan with sf party i wasnt going to speak but Everything Else is i might as well jump in were a hundredsyearold company they sold doortodoor i see things online that i didnt know existed india head lamps and strange stuff we flashforward a modern company doing the outlined things like toys and parties decorations im a thirdgeneration any dad from u can i my 3 obesity born here a fourth generation washington high got a lot of history and sf is where i grew up the neighborho evolved we moved into post street it was very much not the neighborhood now the northern tenderloin it was full of life and all the bad things now amazing who is moving in weve supported that and 17 fulltime employees some have worked for me over 20 years and dedicated to the employees provide 80 percent of medical consider and dental and take care of our people and give them three weeks vacation after 5 years when the minimum wage went up a buck and another buck it wasnt fair to the older employees he raised the minimum wage for everybody to the point it was fair we had last halloween a line outside of the door and you guys are welcome to come forward is that a double beep. Thats the last big one and we delivered 15 thousand balloons. Do we have any other speakers all right. Any Public Comment on this item . Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Commissioners comments before a motion sf you can rent popcorn and happy birthday to you machines. For someone that didnt want to speak. Commissioner dooley. It was a pleasure to read the stories of all our businesses some i know well and just makes me so happy we can help the legacy registration going and help to save what is truly San Francisco and just proud of all you guys and you know good job. Commissioners, do we have a motion. Id like to motion to approve these 10 businesses for the booeb. Second. Second. Commissioner for a note of technicality i need you, you to motion to approve the 10 resolutions. Id like to make a motion to approve the resolution of brazen head docks clocks and image and mission Neighborhood Health center and moby dick and pier 23 cafe the Roxie Theatre and the gallery, sf party, and twin peaks auto care for placement in the legacy businesses registry. Second. All right. Retaining wall or all in favor, say i. I. Opposed . Okay. That that motion carries 7 to zero and. clapping. thanks everybody. Thank you very much and thanks for all of you for coming out today, i know that is a challenge to get here and appreciate you making it a fun time this afternoon. All right. Item number 3 please. Before we move to number 3 i have a question. Yeah. To richard. I. Each year weve not officially as long as not about the resolution. Okay. Its up to the president. Second. Richard before we go with item 3 a question commission. That is asked often for the registry lets say. Commissioners. Im sorry the registry if someone wants to assess the registry and have information about businesses that have been include in the registry saying that openly on the record how will they do it whats the procedure. If they want to assess all the businesses. If they want to find out. A website we created a necessary web page and they can go to that page all the businesses are listed and included the website for the businesses and the dates they were included on the registry and well probably be adding to that but right now a list but definitely do that. That is assessable for the Small Business commission website. Small Business Commission it is sf o s b. Org and along the navigation on the right now is the Legacy Business Program and they can go to the registry to see. Eventually the description of each business. Like to have a map to click on and business discriminates and bans that a little bit more. Thank you, thank you. All right. Item 3. Item 3 presentation and possible action for article 7 to the planning code reorganization informational proposal to amend the planning code for article 7 and clarify and simplify the code language and others protection riverside the conditional use authorization for the Irving Carnell and commercial district and the controls for the conditional use authorization for medical cannabis dispensary nearing and for the conditional use Authorization Services on the second floor in the carville and n judah neighborhood district liveable streets the candles and discussion and possible action aaron starr at the San Francisco Planning Department. Good afternoon. Im aaron starr aaron starr, manager, legislative affairs. Could i ill talk about the code reorganization project that is phase two of that project the project was initiated in 2013 seems to restructure the planning code so it is easier to understand and use this is accomplished by the consistency to the code and the definitions phase one was adopted by the board of supervisors on go february 10th of 2015 and signed by the mayor on february 20th phase two focuses an article 7 of the Planning Department and fattens an article 8 and initiated after phase two is complete so what is article 7 im not sure familiar with the planning code but added in 1980 thats where all the newly created businesses were and gains the neighborhood like north beach and castro and upper market and the transit, etc. And includes over 40 Zoning District and has its own set of definitions so right now there are 4 places section one a 02 and the first Zoning District to use district reregulate by second story and third floor and above and the first Zoning District with the interim controls a place to go to find out all the Development Requirements for a Zoning District and all the use allowances and what requires conditional use and go to one spot to see it all. Does the ordinance is very, very long and excite simple one is all the lease definitions and the other ordinance makes the changes so it is sort of con did he see sections and new tables into that so updates the article for the article 2 under the phase one approach so again, if you know how to use one section of code youll be able to use all the sections of the code once complete and deletes the section of 770 and uses the consolidates dpivenz to one and two it will be consistent throughout the code a restaurant is a restaurant a gorgeous will be a Grocery Store, etc. Would one definition of the code another substantial thing it creates a 20 day notice for all variances and map amendments and general mapping this is because were deleting section 316 a duplication of section 30 six the substantial difference the zoning or the notification reimbursement in section 3620 days and 306 is 10 days for more public notification and higher date. And the last sort of substantive thing that deletes the neighborhood commercial district entirely from the code it is a defunction code for upper market and Transit District that is expanded from i believe church all over the place to castro but supervisor wiener lives within 5 hundred feet of the two parcels not included were clean power it up and deleting the section of the code. Is that the section i call is zoning to castro and in love i didnt. Its upper market commercial district that is a gas station used to be the outlined arco gas station and a liquor store those two parcels are zoned commercial district yeah. As the maker said several changes to the district i referred to the Sunset Agency our office had been working supervisor tangs and were not making a difference in changes to any commercial district not intending to do that requires for bars and liquor store on the ground floor and the commercial district can he recall their principally permitted as generally for conditional use as liquor store is it so bringing to making consistent with other neighborhood commercial district and under commissioner wu before supervisor tang she made the mcd required cerebral hemorrhage under some definition changes there were intentions took that away and so there was interim controls and so this now makes those interim controls permanent requiring a cu for medical cannabis dispensary and also requires cu on the second story in the commercial district and supervisor tang a was concerned about the nefarious acts permitted as service uses turn out theyre hard to cast and regulate on the 72 hour 0 requiring a conditional use. A little bit about the structure we divided all the uses one and 8 uses in the Planning Department divided them into agricultural and all and others and industrial institutional, residential and sales and residential and nonresidential so each of these use categories is defined in section 102 if you go to section 102 all talks about all these uses a compliment to that etch use definition identifies a category so for instance, a jewel store a Retail Service use and that it goes on for the definition is identifies the category and the category defines use it has and then this is how it will work in the table so if you look at here it says entertainment arts and recreation the asterisks is not listed blow the control for the art and recreation listed blow permitted and below that the entertainment general entertainment and night Life Entertainment those are regular active with other categories they have their own and industrial uses not permitted in the neighborhood commercial so having not to list them only the category thats pretty much it for a long ordnance ill be happy to answer any questions you may have. Commissioners questions commissioner dooley. Thank you airbnb i knaron s a it is north beach i nodded it some of the changes and definitions for row 3 specialist reminded restaurants are substantive changes from what we had before and i personally think there making it a lot nor confusing for example, we now have the proposal saying that a general Grocery Store may have a limited restaurant or take out use we have the same thing for speciality groceries and limited restaurant says serves ready to eat foods before it said eating and drinking use so a new category take out it it seems to me that adding all the abilities to add a limited restaurant virtually every category is muddying the waters i know from my neighborhood will be a real problem for example, we try very hard to try to have a balance between food uses and neighborhood serving uses and this kind of opens up the door for things well consider to be neighborhood uses like a Grocery Store or a speciality grocery and now theyre going to be allowed to basically be part limit restaurant which is dynamically opposed by our neighborhood so you know, i think youve going done a lot of great work but step back clientele and have other ncds weigh in were a proactive ncd but those are points i wanted to make and saying just look a little bit further or the other option are you willing to make exceptions or changes to particular ncds i know youre kind of saying they should be having the same basic categories and in them but you know they dont onesizefitsall everyone has a different story in their ncds what they need might be something Something Else is not applying a step for that ncd im urging you to carve out exceptions and make each ncd if requested for them particularly or kind of review some the definitions those are substantive changes in the definitions thats my request. Do you mind in i respond. Sure. Isnt Grocery Stores and speciality Grocery Stores are allowed to have adele i didnt use thats what youre referring to with the limit restaurant the shot hand we put that in there thats basically, what adelely correspondent ive talked with you and others people i understand your plan to go over this in september to massage the definition our more comfortable and perfectly willing to do that but no a substantive changes Grocery Stores have been able to make sandwiches and whats thats it what a limited restaurant does and only they dont serve alcohol thats basically, what youre allowing take out was in the definition planning code which is still in section one 02 not separate but in fact, a spate use allowed ill talk with the Zoning Administrator and if we need this depiction i personally dont think this is necessary but working with a lot of people in the department to make sure i keep as many or much of the sdrmz as i can and with regards to north beach and you know notice ive agreed to meet with you to make sure were maintaining them to have consistency throughout and the north beach is very unique and probably the most complicated district in the city as the neighborhood commercial district and controls and a special use district that mirrors the boundary of the commercial district exactly so you have to layers of regulations over one area and while that makes it more complicated it provides more opportunity perhaps taylor it for north beach other avenue that we can look at so im bringing up that up to put it out there for the other ncds maybe not as proactive with the code like we are and just to do what weve been doing review the whole thing because it is a big bite to go through all of this and you know, i just want to be sure that everybody reviews this and understands what it will or wont have any fact that might be desirable or undesirable at this time. Commissioner ortizcartagena. Thank you for your presentation i have a question regarding the use categories. Sure. You mentioned that you chained the categories to collapse them into a number of categories; correct . 8 of them. And just out of curiosities it did you use the guide just give us an idea those are sure my method is years ago i looked through the code and found ink definition for a code and then he sort of grouped them xhoontd the commonalities theyre not 3 different from the categories before. What section if you remembered. Article 2 was divided by use but the structure was completely different than article 7 this makes the structures the same and i dont believe that article 7 had eye categories but definition i won example of the use category i get rid of and it was its own separate use and all services theyre basically retail function or like we dont have but a definition like an entertainment kind of recreation so i looked for the land use impact in general and look at the existing controls if you see a pattern with certain uses they kind of go together in that respect so i dont know 40 industrial uses and down to 12 by looking at the pattern how theyre regulated and group them into different subdivisions. So you collapsed them into categories and took a large number of sub uses and put them together and added well, i havent really added uses by like neighborhood commercial directs groupings like general or other entertainment and other entertainment included night clubs and Bowling Alleys and included gave him arcades and what i did i took out night clubs from there it is regulated separately and that allows a neighborhood commercial district to regulate a niagara i night club use separate than a Bowling Alley in some cases it allowed for more commercial district only allows Industrial Districts i collapsed them in general the uses have the similar impact. The final question you mentioned you may have particular application for the certain neighborhoods how do you propose for example, north beach. I dont think i proposed the application im saying north beach has two layers of controls both suspending and the neighborhood commercial district that offer laptop exactly the same with the special use district district it allows for a nuanced approach. With that neighborhood. Yep. Commissioners any other questions. Thank you aaron opening it up for Public Comment any Public Comment on this item . Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. I believe this is just informational yes. Just informational i agendized an addition item if theres a direction the Commission Wants to provide. Thank you aaron peskin appreciate it move on to item 4. Presentation and possible action for the elements on eating and drinking establishment and informational presentation regarding to amend the commerce and guidelines for specific uses on eating and drinking establishment to rehabilitate the policy statement by removing percentages of eating and drinking establishment for the photo commercial frontages in a single Zoning District the percentage claugdz for eating and drinking will remain unchanged in the planning code discussion and possible action item and the presenter is from the legislative affairs with the San Francisco Planning Department. Hello actually shes the only other person i met with the same name. Ive never heard the name before now. Im a legislative planner thank you for having me. The department is youpt one section of the element of the general plan and just as a reminder the adjoin plan is required by the state of california and sets a vision for San Francisco the general plan is adopted by the Planning Commission and approved by the board not changing the planning code it can only change for a legislative action we think of it as a provision and the Planning Department and code is how we implement that vision and the general plan is made up of the Housing Element and one is the industrial element. The commerce element is the c n i is the expensive died for the public and private sector in making decisions that impacts the Economic Activities divided two industrial and maritime and commerce and health and Educational Services this amendment to the general plan will impact the neighborhoods the element can be found on the website an experience ill present a specific language in the c and i element currently this has a percentage of over compensation the balance maybe threatened with the they occupy mora commercial they include the more likely percentage of larger concentration for restaurants in the neighborhood the planning code section 303 a conditional use also regulations eating and drinking use the concentration of eating and drinking should not exceed the 24 percent of the footage within an immediate area of the site an immediate area is all Properties Within three hundred feet in the same zones what did it mean it have two regulations beyond the computations they dont result in more data the conditional use results in a more precise information the general plan looks at the whole district and the general plan is a vision statement and others code should be the implementing tool in this case the calculations is the intent of the general plan so to provide clarity im giving two example of the neighborhood district in the sunset lets take an example of a proposed restaurant that either is in the carville ncd n judah is with only one half mile and 20 percent is different for a Zoning District in carville compared to two 20 percent over compensation in carville may not have a man and woman versus the 20 percent over concentrations like n judah however, the calculation of three hundred linear feet from the subject property not changing provides a more specific and concrete calculation to determine the concentration of eating and drinking restaurants in the area these two calculations is done by planners you, however, the calculations of three hundred feet a Planning Commission and the public considers because it meets the intent of the general plan the proposed changes will roach new medic xhamths and replaces them with the general plans, however, the xhamths limits for eating and drinking will remain in the planning code a planner will make before the Planning Commission needs to make the calculations in a cu and still need to make the finding in the general plan, however, no longer to do the calculations in the entire district so the next steps the department initiated this planning Code Amendment on june 30th and scheduled on october 6th and met with the golden gate folks and they were supportive and presented to the coalition of San Francisco neighborhoods in july and no comments on the property change ill be happy to answer any questions you may have. Commissioner ortizcartagena. Did you have a question you are left over on the list i cant cancel laughter . I have a question with the changes will the Planning Commission be required to apply those limits when theyre looking at say a cu. Yeah. Nothing changes in the cu a planner will have to do the calculations required in the conditional use and a planner will still have to give to the Planning Commission any of the finding in the general plan still have to talk about the new proposed establishment not providing an over concentration to the district the finding does not change the participate is doing one versus two. The Planning Commission is n. E. Ly required to abide. Theyre not necessarily required i read a case in terryville the restaurant was over concentration 50 percent but enough support for the Planning Commission to approve it the commission has to consider it but the neighborhoods have to support it. Commissioners any other questions or comments . Okay. All right. Thank you very much do we have any members of the public that want to comment on this item seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Action on this or and its the same. I want to say this was a good job thank you. Thanks for coming out. And then note when the planning after the Planning Department officially introduces the legislation like to come before you this was a Good Opportunity to get a more thorough presentation on this. Thank you very much. All right. Were on to item number 6. Number 6 discussion and possible action to make recommendations for proposed rules and regulations to administrative code the legacy business assistants accountant discussion and possible action. All right. Commissioners im going to move to the diet i mean the platform. Okay. So commissioners before you have a copy of a power point presentation and then in your briernd your copies of the proposed of the proposed application a list of the rolls and application regulations and also a list of things that before we get to finalizing the application rules and regulations and process the items that you need to take action for us to complete what the rules and regulations are. Okay. So alright for a quick review for the public this is application for the legacy business assistants accountant were you will calling a legacy Business Grant as part of Historic Preservation that was established by Jackson Playground in 2015 those eligible are on the leg legacy and the grants application filing period is july one to september 31st as stipulated in the prop j the grant amount is up to 5 hundred per fulltime employee up to one employees per business the funds are paid to the business based on a fiscal year calendar and businesses need to annually reapply eligibility requirements as noted earlier they must be on the legacy business registry no amounts owed to the city as the way of penalties theyre good on all the no labor issues outstanding and meet all the requirements as established by the Small Business commission and so those requirements are what you are going to be hopeful approving today application timeline so one there is a number of fulltime employees businesses need to certify their fulltime employees as of the immediate procedures up to june 30th and between july one and june 30th is used to complaut the grant allocation to that business fulltime equals a business to add the hours of each employee if july one and divide and routinely up to the in the matter employee thats the specific definition state in prop j and were going to be asking as part of verification they provide payroll documentation peace officer ably from a Payroll Service the grant filling off period as prop j is july one to september 30th so but for the fiscal year 20162017 because of detailed start with the registry before i we are staff is asking you to approve we extend the filing deadline to december 15th so the businesses that have submitted their applications in the first round youll be hearing at the last two meetings have the ability to apply for the preservation grant the grant allocation noted earlier is up to 5 hundred fulltime equivalent employees i have a chart for you to kind of so that you and the public fairly clear on what the Business Assistance grant allocations mean for a business to fully fund it for fulltime employees if the business has two fulltime employees 5 hundred a year and 5 employees 25 hundred and 9 applies 4 thousand nine hundred and 50 and then so on up to one hundred fulltime employee is 50,000 a year just to make sure were clear on just the amount we will be a business is eligible for. Also when the grants sorry the next thing if the account is fully funded the grant filing period is the july one through september 30th that is specific filing period we know exactly what the amount of the number of businesses banks fulltime employees that fund request will be so then based the Budget Allocation that will be approved through the budget through the budget process then well be able to take what the allocated for the Business Assistance Grant Program and divide that by the number of fulltime employees and times you know then allot that we note and it states in prop j if there is not enough funds in the business assistants account the offense is able to prorate the anonymous of funding to each business based on whatnot prorate but if the if the requests explodes the amount of appropriation divide that but ftes and define it so businesses can be receiving under 500 per fulltime employee theres not enough funds staff is recommending that businesses be allowed to apply for funding for a set period of time and again, if in prop j no 7, 8, 9 limits that a business can apply for the grants and staff is recommending this so as businesses come on to the registry and if we keep on adding and adding and 5 the amount of funds will be smaller and smaller for businesses to have the funding have a particular meaning staff is recommend we put time limits on which a business can apply for the funding well go through a little bit later i sent some examples to you and well go through what that may look like funding wise over a different period of years what we will need to have in the the business assistants get if we fully fund the projected number of businesses. So thats one of the items well be taking our direction and asking you to take action it is time limits so ive gone through the filing period and needing our approval to stoned through this current year 20162017 in the filing period to extend it to december 15th then verification this is application the use of funds for that businesses need to state what the funds will be used for inevitable fund must support of continuation of the legacy business and that the commission approve the eligible uses in the binder in the application so theres the rent increase the employee salaries increased grandchildren the Consumer Price index and staff hired not to extend 40 hours per week and the improvement ada improvements, Capital Improvements and recognize experiences and site marketing and or promotion, special Services Like Business Consultant and other items to support of continuation of legacy business were asking you to look at the list and if you can add subtract or firmer you think this is an appropriate list of for Eligible Fund use were asking the commission to verify and take action think establishing ill eligible used for the Grant Funding and those uses are rent increases less than the Consumer Price arbitration and the employee experiences and salary experience less than the Consumer Price index. And then i want to note that businesses need to reapply every year and at the reapplication theyd theyll need need to resubmit the documentation to extend their grant fund towards what they said theyll be doing and at this point we dont have a stipulation you know every year it could be Something Different their replying for based on the eligibility use not theyre making a commitment we havent made that stimulation making a commitment for whatever the time amount is that will be one particular item for that period of years to be determined but if this is something you want to discuss were happy to have that discussion with you. So also in the application were going to be asking the applicant to provide some Business Information what we call a Business Assessment and that is to help us get a general understanding the Financial Health and wellbeing to see other Supportive Services that are helpful the business to help them stay in business and or other programs that we could develop under the Legacy Business Program which is something that is stipulated in the administrative code as the section under the legacy business registry. Other requirements is that the business to lift other Funding Sources it receives if the city that will help us track our comprehensive programming and support we have for businesses in the overall effect we are asking businesses to become a city vendor that will help in the easy of paying them but if the not able to be a city vend well be working with a noted vendor to the Commission Action for the legacy Business Assistance program and application one needing to get approval for the grant filing eligibility uses ineligible uses, time limits for the grants for participation and the approval of the Business Assistance program before we go into each individual item i want to take the opportunity we may have to use the overhead i have in your binder projections outlays before we get into that any just general questions you have. I have a question. Commissioner ortizcartagena. What is asked so we can have well have a time limit for legacy businesses to receive funds their eligible whatever that is and second we lived with those regulations determine the use of those funds whether they under the category that you listed so i have questions if it is the right time to ask them. Sure maybe what we should do take into account maybe dealing with the eligibility use first so then i can or because id like to run through the projection felt financial charts. Please do. So we can talk about the eligibility uses first if you want. You run the show. I think one of the challenges over time will be you know we have this balancing act where if there are a lot of interest in these funds those grants then we will bump up against over subscribing them so the notion of time limits will allow some kind of a renewal here so the idea that the grants are limited not only in dollars but in time suggests a grant needs to go towards the use that will put the business on a better footing in the future not a crutch not something that the business should come to rely on in perpetuity but get through a bump from the road maybe a temporary situation that needs a temporary cash flow extra money or an investment in something that will either improve our efficiency or give you a new k3w5b89 that will allow you to make more revenue or some economy of scale so our business proposition improves in a way that once the grant goes away your you can carry on without the grant is theres definitely the notion there needs is to be leverage associated with giving the grant now, one of the challenges going to be is that if we say well, i want to use my grant to sub time my rent the changes of our rent going down is not there you have to ask yourselves a question supplement my rent i need the grants forever unless over the period ill have the grant ill do something to improve any business and when the grants goes away the fact im paying nor rent will not sing me; right . Because were just providing a crutch so this is going to be really interesting to see how this plays out i think most you know what were hearing and heard today was people challenged by really think one of two things their rent is increasing but also the cost of the employing people minimum wage or benefits that are mandatory by the state and the government so raises the rents those are things that dont change; right . So usually go up so the question is going to be whether grants towards mitigating rent increases or mitigating classes of employment are really grant worthy in this scenario will be the business be able to survive without the grant without the crutch i put that before us the question ill ask about the elements and i want to be more specific that so basically, were saying you can use the grant for eligible uses and are we saying if that if you rent your rent is less than 2. 5 percent you cant use that grant for the rent but other uses so are we also kind of questions and answers and thought are we saying youre going to have to pick one reason one use out of the many uses because you can for example, for the sake of argument use part of funds towards your rents and part towards our employees are we basically saying if you get into the program to this program and you just cant use part of this money unless it is above a certain increase and have to go to other categories so is that the what were thinking about. Well get to that liability uses and decide if you can use it for rent and others are dealt with separately a rent provision which is separate from if i understand a general use so if you apply foreclosure and approve for rent it goes torrent if you apply for other use theyre not able to use it for rent those two are separate then we get to the clarification of other uses well get to were not debating it yet. Sfgov excuse me sfgovtv. Excuse me commissioner dooley did you and my list is not updated so commissioner ortizcartagena. Im not sure this is the appropriate time but ask first when we eventually decide this and district those funds are were going to post how much we gave to per grantee or not. That will be a concern of mine. Has to be a part of Public Record were granting taxpayer funds and i believe that provision will be yes this is a matter of Public Record. Perfect the other clarification a concern maybe i when i saw this i was reading this i hate to say this nonprofits dont have more employees and theyre better organized and meet their deadlines they have bigger staff will they and they have grant writers. Thats what im seeing. Month companies dont have grant writers so 50 employees do they get to consume most of grant funded whats the major do we want to say 5 or 10 businesses or one nonprofit consumes everything. That is going to be a matter of our discretionary as we see what the population of applicants looks like and also the number of applicants if it is over subscribed we will either make a decision that were nothing not going to permitted overprescription were taking away from those from theirs full share because well let more people through the gate than we have seats for, if you will, that and so well office building, that with time i dont know what kind of appetite for those once people release well see what is available and what are the available uses and regina is going to take us through the proposed uses that one might apply for and maybe acknowledge that someone will bring up a use weve not gotten to. The rent increase my question is arent we are dealing with that by provision when you become a legacy business that kind of allows you to negotiate with our landlord. Thats another thing that mark farrell being on the registry is giving people negotiation i dont understand the leverage as a landlord you say great you legacy business good on you im raising your rent but what the legacy business then has the opportunity to say okay. If you raise my rent ill apply for some mitigation through the legacy business rent relief fund and will you the landlords take into consideration really this gets into you know the soft side of rent negotiation are you really going to take it to the market or allow you know allow for the fact ive been here a long term and some kind of calculation for a new tenants improvement. I think the dating once our a legacy business you can approach your landlord yeah from the city that is 4. 75 a secret it is a minister grant on top of what we have here. Right. I think the rent increases im seeing in the market personally and the renegotiation of my own lease and others are seeing incredible increases in rent this fund is not imnot funded to deal with many of the rent increases were seeing this is small you know incremental vachlt in the rent increases and have a psychological effect well see expectation out there this is somehow going to be a Silver Bullet for a lot of legacy businesses not enough funds if we deploy it the funds run out as currently funded. Just before i move on to the projections i want to make sure i address a couple of points so in terms of the we whats not before you and will be before you the next commission that meeting is the rents stabilization grant that one is to offset the rent going to the Property Owner so commissioner commissioner ortizcartagena in terms of eligibility uses i think you know that is an interesting question and we if you wanted to provide directions direction that the Commission Says we want you know the business to be able to staff but and the business to be able to use it more multiple funds especially a business that might get a higher amount of grants thats direction you you can provide us and commissioner ortizcartagena parts of what well do after this Grant Application time you know we get through the Grant Application as new businesses come into the registry well reach out and get an understanding of the ftes and applying for their interest in applying for the next grant cycle for the Business Assistance grant to get an indication of the amount of businesses and when i say businesses that is the total itself before for profit and nonprofit so we can present this to the mayor and the board of supervisors to let them know kind of what is coming ahead and what is the interest. If that makes sense of applying for this grant so what will be the demand i dont think so that our again with the registry under our direction we want to make the grant pretty as simple as possible but want to understand there is an obligation of sort of tracking the expenditures of the taxpayers dollars and report out on it and being able to look it over time what areas help a business and what areas may not so we can you know have more reporting requirement or more information to report on to provide to you so again, some of those things again are their subject to our administrative approval if we need to modify or change them over time we can let me get spot financial elements if i can have the other microphone now. So sfgovtv if i ask have the power point i mean the projector. I dont know though easy this is for the public to see the first projection ive provided you is based on if we have an average number of one and 50 businesses applying for the grant on a every year so the first column gives side fiscal year the projected number of businesses so for 20162017 based on just the number of applications well there are no get through the grant filing deadline were to be safe 64 businesses will apply for the grants program which will then be an equivalent of 5 hundred and 76 ftes so that to fully fund that needs 2,088,000. 200 and 88 thousand thank you for that correction and move on to the next year 20172018 if you add one and 50 businesses to that well have a total of twohundred 64 businesses participating thats 20006 hundred plus fulltime employees jumped up to over one Million Dollars to fund the program so without going into great detail down the sheet every year adds one and 50 businesses so the column to the left of dark line the amount well need to fund the program should the businesses never roll off the program then to the right of that dark line if we have 3 a 3 year be participation then starting in fiscal year 2019, 20 businesses will roll off so that will be the fir first year the l off if we didnt is a role off 20,013,000,000 a 3 year participation then that granted period will be 200 million plus and if we had a 5 year roll off we didnt have the roll off the amount 3 million plus and then and so on it goes for year 7 and year 10 if you want me to review those numbers. So whats the current appropriation for this reminds me the annual appropriation. So commissioners weve not come back with a budget well do at the next meeting of what were right now the grants what was funded in the program was just a lump sum into the Legacy Business Program and so we have the ability to announce some whats that amount. Currently i think were somewhat project by project around 4 hundred thousand for the first year with the opted lower number. Sorry i mean, im not asking a question annually how much money is set aside the entire program is 1. 2, one Million Dollars plus. So not 2 million to allocate to theres 1. 2 million total plus the Administration Fees but plus or minus the 2 million not money available for grants we also have others budgetary items like the materials for the booeb registry if we said bear bones is 200,000 a year and one Million Dollars a year so put it in perspective were talking about numbers 2, 3, 4, 7 million in a program that is currently funded annually with so many dollars. Correct based on some of the direction you want to provide it lets the mayor and the board of supervisors know in terms of your tintsdz interest in having it funded but again, we reside provide the information theyll deal with the final it is important we got to keep letting people know there is not that much money. You know everybody that got nominated they assumed theyll quality and like i said, the nonprofit alone in the neighborhood thats my concern and the public comes back and thinks were not handling the program right at the least we have to keep you cant give out too many 50,000 grants if youll be judicious and spread around one million bucks we want to have to be careful we either wanted to show a few very successful executions so we can go say look this is great we need to fund this thing to the tune of 10 or 80 million a year not that weve shown by giving a small number of grant within the limit of one Million Dollars we have we can produce good relies that will be not in our best interests to say look lets spread it ousted across all the application we want to you know honor everybodys application so all 64 well give you money ill be more cliebd to say you know what in the applications we saw 10 that we thought role showed some promise that in two or three years time theyll get ahead of the power curve and in except or whatever weve not heard the stories but some compelling stories in 3 years time weve seen the grant expired. Im going to your point how do we come up with the exact criteria and then thats another problem the public preserves were like who do those people think they are this is a good one and this is not. Ill give you an example a perpetual problem this is a one time thing youre a Small Business and those are eligibility requirements by my concern you say what is the criterion well base this on. You can imagine enters or emergencies a boiler blew up i have to replace if i dont have 50,000 a lot of businesses cant i mean like people you get a catastrophic illness our bankrupt this is not an emergency funding were in a weird place someone comes with that request were not like you know not here like waiting okay. The Emergency Assistance fund desk come to us with our emergencies we here to make more deliberate decisions again look this is a great investment if i had this much money ill side this rather than if i dont get this money bad things will happen it is challenging and interesting to see what comes up. The legacy business there is the rent stabilization weve discuss next week but for you to clarify this millions o Million Dollars two covers the rent funding as well; correct . Yeah. So the assessment that we made to the money being available for business is not accurate because well be using the fund to paying better or give incentives to owners of real estate to provide better leases to legacy businesses so in fact, that also had been to take into account that one million plus that was my reason to ask to this aspect how things the businesses resolve the financial competency why would we have rent component as to whether 2. 6 percent increases higher or lower if welt be helping a business or maybe no renewable and that issue is not an issue and not in terms of theyll not be double dip on other side giving money to the tenant the business and at the same time reward the landlords that will give us a better deal a than the market. Right thank you so in a few of the earlier discussions before Jackson Playground discussion around what would be the appropriate allocation and take a look at the Grant Program ted egan did come back with an analysis that kind of gave some direction in terms of how rents are increasing and price per square feet so supervisor campos i think was a little bit uncomfortable saying the whole preservation grant will go to the Property Owner kind of took that dollar amount and divided it in half not equivalent not all businesses are getting an equivalent half but look at okay well do some funding but not a complete increase amount to the Property Owner but be able to subsidies some of that working with that perspective in a business is trying to offset some of the increase than thats an appropriate use of funds based on what the initial conversation was with the supervisor prior to the ballot being introduced a couple of other things for you to think about awhile right now the one the 2. 5 million that over two year budget cycle in the last budget cycle i think what i want to encourage you to think about for the Business Assistance a long time it it could change based on what is described as a need and thats put before the board of supervisors and the mayor you could take a look at that Business Assistance grant and is okay. Based on what a business is able to receive we think a 3 year timeframe or a 5 year timeframe provides a meaningful grant assistance for those businesses and therefore then we in fact, can go and present that to the mayor and the board of supervisors in terms of what your recommended intent is and, of course, if it didnt get fully fund we predicament the funds the best we can. I dont think that the time limit is as were going to evaluate requests for grants based on what we on the effect will be if someone says i want one time grant with x dollars to do something okay. Thats not a one year grant a one time grant if someone says i want x amount of dollars per year we have to consider that a rent assistance that that kind of thing i want x amount of dollars perpetually to help to offset any rents okay and so, yeah we may have to decide that rent entrants for that a certain amount of but about the problem with that okay at the end of 3, 2, 4, 6 years all of a sudden the legacy business what will happen people will come saying ovj youre pulling the rug anti from under me i depend on on the grants. We said it is on this two or three grant and now im back i want the grant reup reup so again, it is going to were going to have challenges we very clearly all know the stories spend all the money and one hundred times the money on rent assistance because there are businesses facing not thousand of dollars 10 and hundreds of thousand dollars of rents increases per year so this you know to the question you dont the other thing not over subscribe so next week i know i gave you a 3 year grant but only this year i gave. Bunch of other fujdz thats the definition of ponzi and suddenly you cant pay off it blows up so well have to say at some point unless more funding rent assistance is done we cant over subscribe and take away from those. My understanding that is a one time grant every time they apply one year and funding again for next year they have to reapply. Correct but if every single business did that if you look at the 3 is that the adding 200 businesses or three hundred businesses a year i didnt do for you what that numbers looks like if theyll start rolling off the number of businesses that will be applying just remember in terms of how prop j is written and unless we put something in the grant regulations in terms of you have an x number of years that you can apply for that grants then that means every year any business on the registry can apply. If a one year sorry but a one year rented assistants grant a ; right . You cant youll not say i want to one year assistance grant. Are we talking about the rent assistance were talking about general funding application and when they apply we can evaluate whether or not we can fund them based on the resources whether or not we have the money or based on they still quality. Based on prop j is it whatever in the fund account and the number of basically number of fulltime employees youll be dividing that by the number of fulltime employees if the business has 10 fulltime employees they get that pro rated amount so that is why as richard and i have been looking at this were looking were providing an goiblth you know some of the uses and could a have that conversation when is appropriate and not appropriate the budgeting purposes regardless of used for is budgeting purposes to be able to have something more concrete especially to be able to tell the future businesses that come on the registry then i think looking at a time year limit to participate then lets us know sort of what is the maximum amount if we fully fund that particular program so and that isable were able to i think better agriculture in terms of what dollar amount in the program looking at it be from what is noted and naturals to this not how it is needed not stipulated in prop j. To commissioner yeeriley the next year the notion those three hundred companies i want my grant we are have a seat those three hundred and other three hundred and only have a seat the same three hundred except for attrition ms. Rapidly out of control we cant do three hundred this year and 6 hundred and 9 hundred the negotiation to look at the list we have it is more and more apparent using some of the money for rent increase is unrealistic the total legacy funding it spent on things as a limits on them like ada improvements or other improvements things like that and thats something we can get a handle on and we would perhaps someone will say i need one more you know grant to finish any ada. One time executives that represent some kind of on improvement. A business concretely to say give to every single business can use help with their rents all rents are going up it is not realistic like a bandaid and i feel like the other types of things on the list are hero realistic you can say well, if i do this Capital Improvement ill be making more money for that. Right. Right thats the direction we need to be going. The perspective in the media this will save you rent. I think this is a great perception the answer to eviction; right . The anti eviction Silver Bullet for legacy businesses but. Thats a challenging preservation. To make a deal with the landlord give me 10 for years were till having in place something that deals with rent. Uhhuh. Yes the rent assistance side of this whole swaegs well allocate some of the funds i guess i agriculture well still not have enough money is it so interesting to see what applications we get are were going to get other than applications for rent you know rent challenges i imagine we will get some for people that want to suggest a facade improvements or ada improvement will benefit them so it will be interesting. Im sorry one thing that should be clear that the law didnt allow us to say first, you have an advantage on the others in terms of you cant limit the fund to those who have applied first you could in my opinion you could say stay in the fund for awhile say two or three years but not say those who are coming like subsequent years not coming in there are others that are before you. We can say not to delay anyone we want if we decide not a let anyone else in to loop the fund to the detriment of those who are participating than that is entirely our discretion to make that note a first come, first serve your discretion to see in the available applicant whether theyll benefit and the taxpayers will get what they thought theyll get out of this. Well verify whether or not we can do that i think the way for us to be able to do that through time limits and but for us to use sort of individual discretion maybe a little bit risker. What does the legislation say about the grant theyre not they say a business to continue to receive the grant. Right. They have to reapply. An annual application. An annual reapplication. Youre at risk youre not reapproved. Thats what i was trying to pout other funding. Yes. We have no control over how much money well get from hud every year we so to see who qualities and you may get funding this year but not next year you need a change when you no longer qualify so unless you have multi year candidates otherwise. Every year well be subject to the increasing number of businesses added to the registry and have some dollar control that you know be able to know exactly the amount of money why were proposing the limits the reapplication in terms of how prop j states it i am not there are qualifications you need to reverify employee and employees need to be in Good Standing and adding the requirement to provide the documentation of how you even expend our Previous Years fund and restate how youll be expending our next years grant. They cany apply not not guaranteed. And be forewarned commissioners this is exactly how this kind of thing gets politicalized well get a whole group of people applying and asked to make decisions about those who are already in the policy and want to reup their grant and the new grant a lot of pressure about whoever is applying a new whether well be saying hoping hey we made obligations to other people or cut those people off and make in the grants to others that will be challenging. Were not obligated. The way prop j is worded is there eligible to apply thats why were proposing some eligibility requirements and then if they meet whatever the Grant Application requirements are then that whatever the allocation will determine how much the business gets in terms of so you know unless the commission is going to say this year it is all grants for this and next year is grants for that it will be hard to say youre not eligible unless theyre not good with their standing with the city or have other things are for some reason the staff determines how they expended their funds the Previous Year didnt meet with the grant previous grant was. Be able eligible i am not i dont have a problem with establishing the equity criteria make a general statement what is eligible use and then some specific examples we cant anticipate whatever request this is cant be the only request someone will say come forward with something their eligible for an opportunity to evaluate new requests to rule on the eligibility of a request which we didnt anticipate here and now and. And other items of support. Thats fine if any of the commissioners want to read the list and Say Something should not be there or adam this is through a process of people making contribution to the list i think that and then i feel like we have to go just. See what happens. See what happens. Make that clear that there are not unlimited funds. Correct. Its something maybe a pr thing for us but out there were not being mean and not discriminating between businesses just a Financial Realty and, of course, the parts of that money that goes for the giving the landlord a break if they sign up they renew the list this should be a one time thing that is 10 years we have to figure out how much year will go and well talk about that next week. On the participation and time limit motion now on number 4 and then on the final motion legacy businesses may receive Business Grants up to so many years those should be around 3 years and no longer. Coming back to the issue it is clear we cant limit the fund to our specific number of eligible im sorry just a second if we have the first year one legible businesses and legacy businesses we have three hundred of them then whatever funds we have that year is going to be divided according to the law in a prorate basis no way in my opinion reading of the law that should be invested with the City Attorneys Office and in fact, we can say to the first businesses youll not continue with the same amount thats impossible the law is that it stipulates how many grants to give; right . Up to three hundred or theres no number. We multiple voices . 3 applications a year. Reapply every year. That limits it right there. It increases and cant take the first graduation of businesses and then say alu youre going to get the money to the detriment of new ones and the second in their opinion we ought to clear of equity this an our issue if you dont want politics involved you have to have clear standards to come in as a business as a legacy business second as a ceqa fund so we cant just be so vague as to say well well decide. Were not being vague a list im saying there has to be one item one line item in the year that allows for a eligible use we have not considered today because we will gunshot one and cant say below you off in our infinite wisdom a year ago we distanced what can get funded is on this list. Its okay if youre not excluding businesses with a restriction. Well have not been. Im not saying we are im stating we should be doing. So, i mean. I dont think. We cant make multi year grants only suggest we can two things say we will not renew not consider migrant more than 3 times in a row for exactly the same grant we cant have to make ever grant assessing youre only getting this year if you want to next year youll have to come back and reapply we kind of had a fiduciary responsibility to the companies not to make a grant that requires 3 more installments because you know we cant guarantee that installment will be on a prorate. Unless the participation time will limits ever business on the registry will employ and meet the eligibility requirements then we then just take whatever in that budget of the Business Assistance and divide it across the board. As the law is written. That specifically yep thats how it is written thats why i think from our staff prospective we are saying not granted a grant for 3 years you can apply for a grant for 3 years from the first time you apply that way we have is rolling those coming in later have a greater chance of applying forgive a grants and be able to get a grantee full amount. It prevents us from getting congested by rephil grants filling up the danced cards knowing next year well see the same companies theyve had it for 1, 2, 3 years or in perpetuity putting a limit on it you know in the end we can relax that limit because of limitation this is ridiculous none will apply and only a couple of people we can say we can keep on giving you money because we have that. That will make a business eligible for 3 years but not depend on that if theyre in the system have to get a prorate of what you you can set it your obstacle not more than 3 years and remain obstacle for 3 years and then cut off. And just because you show up next year didnt mean well give you that grant we have others that come after the fact that will produce the results we look for. Not the way ill put that becoming scenario we have standards you going to have to adopt them equally and then theyre in limit the time not take the new crop of applicants you cant come in because weve changed the eligibility requirements in my opinion so you can limit the time and you say you can remain eligible providing your replying you need the money and once theyre in they share equally with the others. I have no objection to putting a limit on it the limit comes from this body if we want to change the limit if we feel not serving the intent of the law we can change it. Thank you if thats the way the law is written we need a limit multiple voices . What were discussing not arguing but discussing the thing that will happen if it San Francisco balls what will happen the limit frankly in year 4 with a request for something; right . Were saying the limit is on the grant not per say the organization requesting the grant oh, i want to grant for Something Different. Staff is proposing we are limiting the number of years the business can participate in the Grant Program. In the Grant Program to assure that future legacy businesses Grant Program has meaning. Can you come back after a supervisor and sit out and come back again. I think we could revisit that but our recommendation. But for now adopt. Adopt it as is and see if the Grant Program is being opportunity at higher and i think that years is a good time. We can expand. 3 is less than a mayoral term. Rick would like to Say Something. If i could just make an argument and more than 3 years but the 5 years the reason the long term goal we want to look around the year 2020, 4 years from. Well not discuss divided funding. Okay. Great. Those other things in the purview im sorry. I was thinking that is give us more time. Well it is up to the commissioners so i would like to have the commissioner decide 3 years is a reasonable or 5 years a reasonable number i feel starting out a smaller number is probably better we dont know what the demand will be ill be happy to expand if were overwhelmed we need a limit or well not serve 0 all the people we want to commend serve and well be criticized. I agree lets be conservator and then tweak it. So the business of today so approve this with any modifications and by plugging in that one number. There is 4 things before we get both approving the final program and if any other considerations that you want us to add to the proposed rules and regulations and grants application so the first item is to approve to extend the Business Assistance grant filing period from in the year 20162017 this fiscal year to december 15th. Yes. So that would be great. Are we motioning on each of those. Do we have a motion. Public comment. Why not Public Comment let me reiterate your request for the commission and Public Comment on the entire and fact motion on each the actions so the public is clear to reiterate were asking the commission to extend the grant filing period to december 15, 2016, for 20162017 that the Commission Approves an eligibility list okay. Eligibility use list with what staff proposed or any modifications you want to make to it and approve the inEligible Fund list as staff proposes or modifications to it can time limit to participate in the Grant Program for business to be able to apply for the grants, and then if theres any other considerations you want us to have otherwise after those 4 items are motions you take action on well take action on is final Business Assistance grant rules and regulations and complaisance awnings a that have the clarification if we decide on this today what is is the process for amending this or changing it is it having a just a second other things that disrupt the meeting are prohibited. Change and voting on it. The first so the entire structure we submit to the board of supervisors they have thirty days to amend or allow as is after that the commission has the authorizations to unless legislated we need leg latsd changes then if not under our purview to pravk reconsider. For example, if the Commission Decides that today to set a 3 year term and a month from anyhow decides it after if we set the limit at 3 signed off by the supervisors and then 6 months from now we decided we want to make that 4 do we make that here at the commission by vote and then to the supervisors again or do we think mark farrell make that change here and it becomes a change ratified by without the needs for the boards approval. Ill need to reverify that based on any understanding of prop j we present the proposed rules and regulations to the board of supervisors once they have responded to it then it is up to you to be able to make those amendments as you see them. All right. All right. Im trying to assess the risk of making a decision today and going home there will be definite flexibility once they legislate it. Youve now made that part of record. And we can have Public Comment on this any Public Comment on item this proposal. Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Commissioners are there any there any administrations you want to make to any one of those 4 items including the use of number 3 in the two places where the number of years is specified. I want to say this is perfect i like the eligibility fund use, i like the others uses to support of continuation the businesses as a legacy business from the Small Business commission that opens the door there and Eligible Fund use whoever put this together were not here for debt relief and you have the right increases with the Consumer Price index and the your covered and i like the 3 years. Commissioner toursarkissian a our residents attorney do you have any changes id like to recommend to this as is you. I think considering the limited fund we have at this point and the fact we have to spread the money we ought to consider a reasonable fund you know since were discussing it i find the years to be reasonable time provided, however, that the business has each time to apply and get funding the 3 years is not an entitlement but out limits. Is there any commissioner that would like to see anything other than 3 years seeing none, that item is closed any commissioner have an issue theyve not seen. A question was posed about the eligible list the only question the item number 4 item number 2 that says employee salaries increased grandchildren the Consumer Price index just the clarification on the record i think that is necessary to set these standards but what does that really mean. Is salary an Employee Salary something that we consider an inevitable use paying on employee. So can i come and ask for a grants heres on easy one one fulltime employees comboobl for a 50,000 grants i can hire one more person and want to hire 101 employees. Will that make our business more successful. The only thing increases in salaries of the city bumps the living wages a volunteery act you increase the salaries because you want to or because you want to keep i dont understand the thank you. The retention the blow retention thing thank you. From our assumption meantime the minimum wage goes up thats the masking the business will have to demonstrate based on their Previous Year the salary payment and then the reason why that what theyre planning on doing and the reason their Salary Increases through salaries or expenses in terms of their annual increases on behalf of the Consumer Price percentage. This calculation is 500 per fte well, i want to give you a fulltime employee a 0. 50 raise and the only element that needs clarification is this employee i actually dont think you can make a grants it is 0. 25 an hour if you said i want a grant you can only get a grant of 500 and want that 500 to give any dish washer a raise if theyre working fulltime 0. 25 an hour ill not give that grant oh, okay. Thats makes all the difference in the world to sustain our business. Having but one question a clarification that the first year they get the grant a legacy business can come for rents and the next year a certification or recognition expenses not have to be the same funding or need. Right. It can be the eligibility can migrate. As proposed it is; correct unless you want to do it for an x number of years. And that brings up whether we want to say it is fine to ask for the exact use of money all 3 times whether we want to impose any kind of limits so attention Deficit Disorder ada or whatever is that appropriate or is that more appropriate for them to ask for a different item. Yeah. I dont know. I think what we could do we could stipulate in the application under eligible uses that you can use the same use for each year or can change the use based on your need and in your Grant Application ill the Business Needs to justifies what theyre going to be using it for and why they want to use it we can stipulate that we have the option of on and on okay. If i get this full funding for 3 years this x dollars what am i going to do 40 with that and plan or say every year ill see what my need is. This is why i asked staff to give us examples look it didnt make a Rocket Scientist to look at the numbers if i look at the first three or four items additional employees 500 for each ftes may be one company with one hundred employees can hire 5 hundreds bucks people you divide that before i 15 an hour 33. 3 hours less than an hour a week that you can increase someones time inconsequential and the Salary Increase 0. 25 an hour unconsequential the salaries will increase the point here is that you see this an, an eligible use but it is pro produce that the taxpayers had save r they saved that business they gave sometime 45 minutes of work that week and a company the guest to hire one more person in my mind are not i wouldnt feel good being held to think i gave uaw three hundred grand and sthrp in those categories. Are you suggesting we eliminate that. Im suggesting that the the Eligible Fund uses signals to what people should come and ask for. Put those on the list; right . It seems weird to me. Theyre not good obligations of the funds and rent theres not come to this side of this education with a rent request well talk about that next week thats a separate part of this i am not i guess id like to see those first four items struck number one because rent dealt with separately lets not have rent on this side dont come and ask for rents but the other things well talk about next week those next ones are about employee wages i dont think this fund is well, one written in a way that numerators it around a meaningful wage increase to anyone and so i feel like taking those off the list were in good conscious make those choices. I agree when you have those on the list few people say oh, well thats really not going to benefit it sounds like like you know a sweet deal for the business. And it really isnt. I dont want to set people up to. Hire multiple voices . Oh, my god now i realize what i asked for we say 0. 25 an hour what. I think that to make sure the board of supervisors understands those are sexy topics and not adding people to the staff we need to make sure they understand from a Small Business appreciative. Its a practical matter weve been asked to make combrantsz that preserve legacy businesses give them a change for preservation and ill argue those 3 items youll had one were saying were dealing with rent in a separate but the other 3 those alegitimate to preservea legacy business. All the other things mixed in. Yeah. Theyre kind of stuff you have to do and it is a one time hit i dont plan on that. And move in the 3. I think the funds the rent increase crowds out the this portion of the funds. Yeah. Available. I think youre right. And should be dealt with at the level of former rent stabilization this is a in my opinion kind of leaps out as a necessity and shouldnt be kickoff remove the needs that the businesses may otherwise have but a portion of this fund and well discuss next week. So just to get it off the table anyone object to not numbered the first eligibility the rent increase. I say go forward. Anyone object. One contaminate and well be needing to provide written record if there are additional justifications for removing them you know it is good to have it so we can officially write it in terms of the commissions. I suggest we remove the number one, if you will, the rent increase because were dealing with rent in the rents Stabilization Fund and this portion of the funding is not rent related. Great. Is there a republican for creating the rent Stabilization Fund segregate and have an offer laptop not detriment of many, many niece of businesses legacy businesses may have. And give a chance to the other needs to show that there are a workable tool. To graduate. And the eligible use to provide you with a smarg borrowing of what to consider we finally lists this youve given full consideration of every possible potential landscape of what sort of fitsdz within the larger discussion of legacy business without their and or what is a in the administrative code in prop j. Yes. By having that list we should number things by having this list of usage were signaling to the constituents of that legislation this is what they should apply for we should remove that part and leave it in the rent stabilization we have a rent provision by remove it from this list of Eligible Fund uses doesnt anybody object a second. Were editing. Now the next 3 items would dont say to deal with them their employee related i propose to you that ploy salaries slash expenses first of all, not expenses because expenses are arbitrary salary i suggest to you that that really only provides such a small potential raise that it is i think consequential and not. If i may this was to help the legacy businesses those items may not help the legacy businesses vpdz we should leave a caveat and say prop j specific talks about salaries and per employee we may have to check back with the responsible person before we dispose of those items we ought to in my opinion, of course, my opinion to dispose of those 3 items and eliminate them subjected subject to getting approval from the City Attorney. Of course thats a good way of putting it before we doing anything through the City Attorney does anyone object to removing those if were not hunters view if the City Attorney has no objection to that. May i have make one other sort of what may happen if we do the City Attorney may be comfortable with this is that in removing them but if a business is able to present in a meaningful way is there a Large Business that could be something under other can be considered. Yes. The last item allows for someone to come and say hey i have hundred employees and want to hire a grant writer laughter so, yeah so i think that again, we get to whether theyre having those heres signals in a way that just teasing businesses to come here in that didnt work. Or whether excluding them someone has a proactively make a case and like invite them or entice them to come and do that. I be that is appropriate because like we keep on saying otherwise people will have Unrealistic Expectations about what some of the items can do for their business we dont want everybody coming up that is 0. 25 an hour over and over and over again, it is better it is a take them out if they come with some amazing and compelling reasons. Yeah. Under the other. And consistent with the time limitations those are reconcurring competitions where the other items on the list are open a need basis and limited in time. If someone says i want to hire a consultant for x number of months and it falls within the 500 per fte than that is different and in fact, ill hire a consultant not an employee. Okay. It is under there so, yes good. Im recommending an idiot to the document to delete the first 4 items under the eligible uses does anyone object and a motion based on on edited document that dleelts those and puts in the number 3 and number 4. Say impeding. And subject to the motion subject to any objection from the City Attorney as to the items we have removed. Yes. Okay. I dont make motions i just laughter . It would be preferable to have a motion on the eligible uses so are they taken in order start with the extension ever time and no. You of the motion page you have your motion page i dont 90 the order i have them in the application timeline so extending that approved that so, now were going looking at eligible uses and ineligible uses and time limits and the full program. So make a motion on each one or approval on. Make a motion or affirm each step and make a motion. Make a motion to adopted this. I think we need to add. With the edited. Yeah. I prefer to make the motion on the edits and then a full motion on the entire program. So someone. Separate program. Move we make those edits someone make the motion. laughter . multiple voices . You guys know changes to the ineligible use commissioners; correct . Or. I move that in the eligible front usage list the first four items be removed from the list. Okay. Subject as to 2, 3, 4 and even the four of them to be checked with the as to the removal with the City Attorneys Office. Okay. I second. Okay. All in favor, say i. I. Thank you your next motion will be final motion. Well, we didnt someone should make a motion to adopt the 3 years. I make the motion we adopt the term up to 3 years on item 4 any business legacy business may receive business assistants grant up to 3 years. All in favor, say i. I. Sorry man, i didnt mean to up super our call so, now at the final motion to approve those rules rules and regulations as edited. I move we approve the it includes the thinking eligible. Im sorry. Youll have to edited that based on the edits to the eligible. Correct so we can not. Destroyed number 3. Basically be ineligible list will be debt relief. Yes. Well have to multiple voices . Yes. I think that is right because you can come and make a case rent will be taken off the table and Employee Salary stuff youll have to make a case. It will be cleaner. Do we have a motion to remove the items two and three under inEligible Fund. I move we strike items two and three from the inEligible Fund usage oar ill second. Ill second. All in favor, say i. I. Okay. Now do we have a motion to approve this document as edited i move. Second. All in favor, say i. I. Okay all right. So i feel i ran a marathon. Thank you, commissioners. All right. So were moving on to item no. 7. Approval approval of the minutes august 8, 2016, january 11, 2016, and october 2015 and april 2015 all draft minutes meetings. Do we need Public Comment. Oh, any Public Comment on this item . Item no. 7. Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Commissioners do we have a motion to approve the minutes. I move. All in favor, say i. I. Okay. That that motion carries 7 to zero. And number 8 directors report update on the Small Business commission and update on department and recent announcements from the mayor and new introduced policy matters and updates announcements on Small Business activities discussion item. The last meeting to provide a report for our Meeting Minutes so just to give you a brief information the individual we were using for doing the transcription were not able to use anymore and we had o a great intern alex that was helping us with the Meeting Minutes weve been able to keep up and have 10 not including the current meeting but 8 Meeting Minutes from 2015 and 3 Meeting Minutes from 2016 a total of 11 Meeting Minutes that we still need to our backlog. So were working on trying to find other solutions for help but we may have to extend our 12 because we may not be able to produce the volume and then the commission heard the legislation of creating the Cannabis Task force and knowing this is on this years ballot ive asked men can to attend the Task Force Meeting to get ahead of the potential implications we may be experiencing i do think with the Business Assistance center once that starts to it passes i think we will start to see a high influx of people wanting to know what is doable and not doable the task force a lieutenant planning i think we have other things we need to be giving consideration in terms of were tight on our commissaries and commercial kitchens right now and so i think with the package of passage of this lieu alu what that will do the we want to be ahead of considerations before the office and you getting a handle what that maybe and with that, i know ill leave any report at that since we have an earlier discussion today. Great any Public Comment on this item . Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Okay directors report im sorry. Commissioner. Number 9 commissioners report allows the point and Vice President to present on Small Business activities and make announcements of interest. I have nothing to report. I have one. Sorry go ahead. On the 12 we met with dpw ecology and discussed the dismal state of cleanliness in our neighborhood commercial districts and that a good round table came up with potentially productive ideas ill be reporting as were Going Forward a lot of new ideas id like to pass that on. Awesome okay. Great lets make sure we get that on the agenda anyone else yeah. Commissioner toursarkissian. I attended a sfmta Board Meeting and there for two items on o delores that passed unanimously they heard what we suggested and loot Small Businesses attended and thrilled the out another item we heard here the mission carpeting the transit 14 and i want to thank sfmta and director reiskin he tried his staff did a lot of outreach and challenges theyve done some concessions but not enough so i just want to have that topic still individual were losing a lot of Small Businesses really, really rapidly so muni is better thats great but it is at the cost of Small Businesses and the spirit sometimes sfmta is well as a community progresses some people have to make sacrifices two minutes for 20 years of a Small Business. I think it is less about steve and speed and more about frequency they say we are doing this to increase the speed of bus by 3 minutes dont leave me standing on the platform or the bus stop and liquor store trading two minutes for 20 years of business you know, i think the trade offs and i think theyre working on the wrong problem so i dont know how we can convey that they march to their own drums so but anyway, commissioner yeeriley you have something Public Comment on commissioners report seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Last item please. Item number ten new business for agenda for the commissioner discussion item. Maybe a question id like to go through the process with the entrants with Small Businesses like maybe pare me up with a Small Business owner to see how it is on their end it is different from this end just i dont know if that is possible. Yeah. I think well have that opportunity when we see what the first within the scope of it looks like and you know so i dont know excuse me getting involved in the application process where i am not i dont know who how it will go an application; right . The part of rules and regulations meaning not stimulated i apologize that is designed for staff to approve the grants we can do during the first process is be able to kind of walk through there is a grant filing period before we make decisions on the grants so we can start coming before you with this is what some of the grants applications look like. Yeah. Lets look at the first application and see theres a window we can ask the applicant hey if you tweak our 2 00 oclock it too this way and that way so lets wait. I have a comment about the legacy business registry i think that weve talked about the money side of things but a lot of businesses in the city legacy businesses that they want to be legacy businesses because it has some marketing advantage and a lot of them fall into that category and noticed ever hearing with those businesses it is a happy event you know happy. A lot of being a Small Business commission we ought to think about how we maximize on that and mentioned there is a legacy business registry site and i think there are certain things that should be on the site for example, the Business Description certainly should be the opportunity to kind of celebrate the fact that they have theyre on the registry good for the city and good for so this is a good. Investment the money side is important we have to deal with 3 carefully but this is crucial from a business point of view and you have signature goodwill and. And the funding of registry your point with welltaken promoting the registry in the end one of the benefits is the problems. Thats so, now globulin this urban design hurdle and rick brought a pretty good rhythm in dealing with the applicants more importantly so did Historic Preservation commission and have the rents stabilization and the martha and branding. Lets agendize the discussion after the rent stabilization as part 3 to be a discussion of how were going to maximize the benefits the registry. One item i want to piggyback on what youre doing do have a cvd in north beach i want to put this on the agendas for a future meeting some cvds are doing well and some cvds are not keeping the streets clean i share the clean streets is getting worse and areas that have cvds i contacted them their cleaning the streets and theyre not cleaning the centers so it is effecting Small Businesses i have people dont want to come to the castro because upper market is a pigs sty ill put that out in public and certain people are watch without calling out my name is laughter i didnt i stopped short a pigs sty you call the cvds the city is supposed to be taking care of that and when i talk to the Business Owners theyre saying what we we do i say attend our cvds meeting id like to agendize it some neighborhoods are it down to a path and novel is e mask can i add one more thing and add an inquiry into some fees that are facilitated by the efforts street klein for example, the historic retailers have to pay for cleaning up cigarette butts and see where the funding is going firemens in terms of street cleaning. Any other topics. May i ask for clarification on a cvd would you like a first review of the different cvds and what their mandates are and then. I pretty much know i helped several of them when you call some of the cvds or youre not getting the response i get a better response going on my mobile app and typing 311 that gets taken care of raw and some cvds are doing what their supposed to do just you must have a different 311 than i do laughter . Okay. We can maybe. All right. So where are we at. Public comment. Public comment. Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Okay final item adjournment action item. Do we have a motion to adjourn. Ill move second. All in favor, say i. I. Were out three legged stool at the hi. I am cory with San Francisco and were doing stay safe and were going to talk about what shelter in place or safe enough to stay in your home means. Were here at the urban center on Mission Street in San Francisco and joined by carla, the Deputy Director of spur and one of the persons who pushed this shelter in place and safe enough to stay concept and we want to talk about what it means and why its important to San Francisco. As you know the bay area as 63 chance of having a major earthquake and its serious and going to impact a lot of people and particularly people in San Francisco because we live on a major fault so what does this mean for us . Part of what it means is that potentially 25 of San Franciscos building stock will be uninhibit tabl and people cant stay in their homes after an earthquake. They may have to go to shelters or leave entirely and we dont want that to happen. We want a building stock to encourage them to stay in the homes and encourage them to stay and not relocate to other locations and shelters. Thats right so that means the Housing Needs to be safe enough to stay and we have been focused in trying to define what that means and you as a former Building Official knows better than anybody the code says if an earthquake happens it wont kill you but doesnt necessarily say that can you stay in your home and we set out to define what that might mean and you know because you built this house were in now and this shows what its like to be in a place safe enough to stay. Its not going to be perfect. There maybe cracks in the walls and not have gas or electricity within a while but can you essentially camp out within your unit. Whats it going to take to get the Housing Stock up to this standard . We spent time talking about this and one of the building types we talk about was soft story buildings and the ground floor is vulnerable because there are openings for garages or windows and during the earthquake we saw in the marina they went right over and those are very vulnerable buildings. Very and there are a lot of apartment buildings in san that that are like that. And time to. Retrofit the buildings so people can stay in them after the earthquake. What do they need . Do they need information . Do they need incentives . Mandates . Thats a good question. I think it starts with information. People think that New Buildings are earthquake proof and dont understand the performance the building will have so we want a transparent of letting people know is my building going to be safe in it after an earthquake . Is my building so dangers i should be afraid of being injured . So developing a ranking system for buildings would be very important and i think for some of the larger apartment buildings that are soft story we need a mandatory program to fix the buildings, not over night and not without financial help or incentive, but a phased program over time that is reasonable so we can fix those buildings, and for the smaller soft story buildings and especially in San Francisco and the houses over garages we need information and incentives and coaxing the people along and each of the owners want their house to be safe enough. We want the system and not just mandate everybody. Thats right. I hear about people talking about this concept of resiliency. As youre fixing your knowledge youre adding to the city wide resiliency. What does that mean . Thats a great question. What spur has done is look at that in terms of recovery and in new orleans with katrina and lost many of the people, hasnt recovered the building stock. Its not a good situation. I think we can agree and in san we want to rebuild well and quickly after a major disaster so we have defined what that means for our life lines. How do we need the gasolines to perform and water perform after an earthquake and the building stock as well, so we have the goal of 95 of our homes to be ready for shelter in place after a major earthquake, and that way people can stay within the city. We dont lose our work force. We dont lose the people that make San Francisco so special. We keep everybody here and that allow us to recover our economy, and everything because its so interdependent. So that is a difficult goal but i think we can achieve it over the long time so thank you very much for hosting us and hosting this great exhibit, and thank you very much for joining [gavel] welcome to