Resentment and hatred. I think peace is a significant step to allow us to move away from the culture of hatred and resentment and racism and discrimination into the beginning of a culture we accept each other as equals and we start appreciating each other to live in freedom and dignity in their own homeland. Rose we conclude this evening with colin firth and emma stone they star in magic in the moon light a woody allen movie. There are other unseen factors that come into play not if theres a god or an after life or if the magic is real is feelings for other people that dont fit into logic as well which the twist i start to see in the third act. Its not just about whether shes a fake or whether shes real, its this other thing that he cant make sense of. Ron dermerer, Riyad Mansour colin firth and emma stone when we continue. Theres a saying around here you stand behind what you say. Around here, we dont make excuses, we make commitments. And when you cant live up to them, you own up and make it right. Some people think the kind of accountability that thrives on so many streets in this country has gone missing in the places where its needed most. But i know youll still find it, when you know where to look. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose we begin tonight with the escalating is crises in the middle east, the Israel Government intense fide their attack as part of the offensive against hamas. Thousands of residence in the north of gaza are urged to leave there homes. Palestinian officials have put the death toll so far at 220 people. The United Nations says the majority of the casualties are civilians and egyptian Ceasefire Initiative collapsed on tuesday as hamas continued rocket attacks which resulted in the first israeli casualty. Joining me from washington is israel ambassador to the unites ron dermer. Thank you for inning us. There is a report from the New York Times saying gaza invasion senior official military said wednesday the likelihood of invasion of the gaza strip is very high and if you want to officially fight terrorism you must be present boots on the ground. Let me just ask, dont you risk a kind of international approaateium if you do that. I hope not. I hope the world continues to stand with israel. Yesterday the government of isreal accepted a ceasefire proposal by the egyptions. That ceasefire was accepted by the whole International Community also by the arab league and israel accepted it. It wasnt a popular position in our country because a lot of israelis, they were pushed through the cabinet and israels cabinet voted for a ceasefire yet morning. Israels military called off their attacks for about six hours and during those six hours we had dozens of rockets flying into israel so israel had to take the action to defend its population and resume those targeted air strikes. Later in the evening the security cabinet of israel met and as you just said, they have decided to intensify the operations because we have to do something to protect our civilian population. We have two thirds to three quarters who in the last week had to go into bomb shelters. Thats over 200 million americans. You can imagine what the American People would want their government and their military to do if 200 million americans were in bomb shelters and a thousand rockets were being fired at them Terror Organization in contiguous territory. I hope there will continue to be broad support for isreal taking these actions it needs to take with considerable restraint taking these actions to protect our population. Rose fair enough to say is it not the last time there was an invasion of gaza there was an international react hundred and it had an impact on israel. I think what normally happens is whenever youre in a situation where civilians get put into harms way that creates enormous pressures if those seville yunls are hit and those pressures are brought to bear on risen justly because israel does everything to keep Palestinian Civilians out of harms way. Hamas is targeting our civilians trying to kill as many isreal were trying to do everything to keep their civilians out of harms way theyre trying to do everything to push their civilians out of harms way and the important Point Charlie is this. Sometimes even the most legitimate actions of selfdefense will lead to innocence being killed and you have these pictures and theyre suffering and everything is compassionate for these debts what do they do, pressure israel or pressure hamas. If they put pressure on israel youll see the human shields that hamas is doing. The cynical use of the palestinian population for them to wage their war against israel theyll continue to into this as attack particular. If the appreciate leads to more issues against hamas its not rocket science. I get for hamas it is rocket science. Very deadly rocket science. Rose in warfare theres always i hate the term collateral damage. Four Young Palestinian boys were killed wednesday when two explosions hit a beach where they were playing 2e fishing port of gaza status and witnesses say the cause was an israeli port awe 25bg was considered safe from the Bombing Campaign of the past nine days. Look, i dont know the specifics of the case. I assure you charlie israel did not target those children. We call off operations all the time when we are see sometimes we see it from our surveillance, we see children civilians coming into harms way we call off operations. So i dont know the spoisksz that case. I do know that israel has conducted more than i think more than 1500 strikes into gaza. Its a densely populated area. We have not been perfect. No military has been perfect. Even if 1 of those strikes go wrong, if 15 of those 1500 attacks go wrong then you can have these unintended tragedies. The question is what does the world do now. Does the world engage in the same cycle of blaming israel therefore encouraging hamas to put more civilians into harms way. If the world actually takes this case and says to hamas, do not put your civilians into harms way, its still legitimate theres a chance it will stop happening. But we have to defend our people, charily. We cant just sit back, not take these actions and allow the equivalent of 200 million americans to sit in bomb shelters. Rose there are those that make this argument israeli see this as an opportunity to wipe out hamas. Is that a goal to wipe out hamas. Absolutely not. It flies in the face of just the fact. Yet israel accepted a ceasefire, isreals cabinet accepted a ceasefire. If it ended you wouldnt see any sort of widening of the operation. I will remind you charlie, a year andahalf ago, november 2012, we had an eightday confrontation with hamas. At the end of that israel ended a ceasefire and did not go in with a ground campaign. We have to take the action in order to defend the population. The Prime Minister was very clear, this is a sustained quiet for the people of israel. And we are doing everything we can to degrade hamas offensive capabilities and to keep Palestinian Civilians out of harms way. We do not have a goal of reconquering gaza. We never had that goal. Rose i said to eliminate hamas. To eliminate hamas thats what that means because theyre embedded in the population. You can degrade hamas capabilities by going into different areas but if youre going to eliminate hamas military capability you have to go into those areas. Look one of the differences between gaza and the west bank is israel launched an operation defensive shield about 12 years ago. We went into the cities palestinian areas into the west bank sumeria, we rooted out virtually all of the terror infrastructure. Thats why you dont see attacks happening from those areas. Its not simply that we have better cooperation now with Palestinian Security forces, its that israel launched a military operation went into those cities, cleaned them out at a high price. But we did it. In gaza we havent done such an operation. So to wipe out hamas and gaza requires a very broad reconquering. That doesnt mean youre going to stay there but even that is not the goal that israel has set out in this operation. We can achieve that militarily. I hope we have a ceasefire from yesterday. Rose what role is egypt playing here. A just a just a minute pa proposal to ceasefire, a proposal backed by the arab league, the entire International Community backed this ceasefire. We appreciate very much the very strong statements we received right of selfdefense from president obama who backed the ceasefire from secretary kerry who also backed the ceasefire and isreal agreed. The problem is the entire world was supporting a ceasefire but the people with the rockets just said no and they continue to fire. So egypt is playing a very constructive role. They have taken out the capabilities in sinai the tunnels where these rockets were going in, smuggling from iran through sudan into the sinai into gaza. Egypt has played a very constructive role in prevent thing the smuggling awe facts and trying to bring a solution that leads to a sustained period of quiet and we appreciate egyptian efforts. Rose theres yet self defense but also not used is force. Andrew sullivan wrote as for the argument that no democratic could tolerate terrorists attacks without responding with this kind of disproportionate force. What about where i grew up where pubs and Department Stores were blown up where the Prime Ministers entire cabinet were bombed and some killed in a hotel. I dont recall ariel bombings of catholic areas in bell fast, do you. Well he has a pretty selective memory. I should go back to world war ii which is the last time you had the mass rocketing. Were not talking about individual terrorist attacks in different cities. The differences what hes talking about and the ira is if the ira did not have the climb on lun de. The ira did not call to wipe out all of britain. Theres one time in history where you had thousands of rockets that were fired at a city that was london during world war ii. 9 british responded by carpet bombing german cities. Isreal is not doing that. Its using surgical structure. Someone born and raised in this country and you can correct me if im wrong, if 200 million americans were in bomb shelters facing a thousand rockets from contiguous territory they would use at least as much force. You and i both know this, at least as much force than israel is using now. I think its very important to be clear about this and not get confused from the disproportionate is. A lot of people think disproportionate you got 200 People Killed on one side and one israel killed on the other side thats disproportionate. That has nothing to do with proportionality. There are twice as many germans who were killed in world war ii as americans. Does that mean that the americans used disproportionate force does it mean the nazis were right . Of course not. This proportionality has to do with something else. The laws of war means you need a distinction between compattants and noncompattants. Israel does that all the time. The second law is you have to use a proportion response and what it means is if you have a legitimate military target, the question is does attacking that target, does the gain you will get militarily justify the potential loss of civilian life. Thats the concept of proportionality and isreal upholds the highest standards of international. Ive seen that as somebody whose been in the war room with the Prime Minister. The i was amazed at the length that isreal goes to avoid civilian casualties unprecedented in warfare. Rose theres your foreign minister who says israel should go all the way and reoccupy gaza. Is that something the Prime Minister would consider. Thats not the policy of the Prime Minister. Thats the position of our foreign minister, its a long standing position, he makes that case in our security cabinet but ultimately the government decides and the government has clearly stated the objectives as i said is sustained period of quiet. And i have no doubt that the entire cabinet will supported israels ongoing efforts to provide security. Rose as this, the killing of the three teenagers, the killing of the palestinian the kind of exchange of rock else that have taken place and am thats taken place on top of the failure of the kerry mission put the opportunity and the possibility for israel palestinian agreement way way out of reach . Listen, we hope not. The question is what will happen from here. Will after all of this and all the dust settles will we still have an alliance between president abbas and hamas, thats not a prospect for peace. If they answer and break with this alliance from hamas and goes back to negotiations with israel we can continue to move forward. We have a process with the palestinians were deeply appreciative of the efforts of the administration. Secretary kerry, a lot of time and effort. America has done a lot on its plate as well. We appreciate the time theyve invested. We dont think that was a waste of time. We dont think this was some sort of a failure. Theres an ongoing effort, you know. We have tried to reach a piece with the palestinians for 20 years. There have been five primary ministers who tried to make peace with the palestinian, probably a dozen northern minute Foreign Ministers. Its not going to happen because that president or that president or this secretary of state or that secretary of state is going to come up with a magic formula. The form of magic formula for peace is simple. Will the palestinians recognize a jewish state once and for all. Will they make most with the idea the jewish me will have a sovereign state in our ancestral homeland. Once they make most with that idea, which they havent yet once they make peace with that idea well be able to resolve this conflict. All those other issues borders refugees Everything Else they talk about we will be able to resolve but they have to cross the room. Rose its interesting you say that because there are some people who are willing to say, to accept the idea of israel as a jewish state. But they have a very different position about all those other issues which you say can easily be resolved specifically having to do with right of return and jerusalem. The question for the people of israel is very simple. Do we have a partner on the palestinian side that really wants to end the conflict once and for all. Then really making peace with the idea they will live next to a nation state of the jewish people. Once the israel people know they have that partner youll see a different reality. If you have a partner thats not really willing to accept u then the fear always is the terror that israel will draw from will be used as a launching pad from further attacks. Dont forget were talking about gaza. We left gaza in 2005. We pulled out of all the settles, we uprooted 10,000 people fromheir homes, we pulled out our military. People were hoping at the time the chairman of the World Bank James wolfenson he got together a group of philanthropists, many of them jewish. They invested money in buying all these agricultural facilities, greenhouses hot houses because the hope in the wake of israels withdraw we trigger a new area between arabs and palestinians and use this opportunity to focus on prosperity and develop for their own people and create what some people said at the time a singapore on the mediterranean. Instead they got an iran and the ones who suffered the most are the residents who live there. As soon as you got a palestinian leadership dedicated to improving the lives of their own people, dedicated to the idea they will life permanently next to a sovereign jewish state we will be able to resolve all those other issues, i have though doubt about it. Rose ron thank you. Ron dermer, israels ambassador to the United States from washington. Back in a moment. Stay with us. Rose we continue our conversation about the crises between israel and hamas with are are Riyad Mansour. I many pleased to have him back at this table many welcome. Thank you for having me. Rose tell me whats happening on the ground and whats happening on the negotiation. First of all this aggression is not between israel and hamas, it is between israel and the occupying power and power of people including though the 1. 8 million palestinians in the gaza strip. Rose its not just hamas that is sending the rockets into israel. It means that the Palestinian People are at the receiving end which they have been killed in eight days and 1600 haveeen injured. More than 78 of them according to the statistics are civilians. Rose fair enough its a tragic situation. Who do you believe are sending the rockets into israel. Is it the Palestinian People orb is it hamas which are separate somehow . It is not the Palestinian People. And by the saming token its not the israel people who are sending aircraft and the sheriffs against the gaza strip much. Its israel rose does hamas represent the Palestinian People. Huh model is a component of the palestinian political fabric as you know it is part of the exoanltd of the fabric as well as those extreme terrorists settlers who could not have a Young Palestinian boy in East Jerusalem tortured him and set him on fire alive and killed him. Now we deal with the Israel Government. And we deal with the tragedies and i think that the continuation of the occupation will put us in a situation to see one episode after another of the kind that we are witnessing in the gaza strip and southern part of israel. But what we need is to have peace so that we can say we truly have a twostate solution. We are committed to this process. It has committed and negotiated in good faith for nine months with the involvement of secretary of state which we thank him for his efforts. But unfortunately the israel side was not negotiating in good faith with us. Rose im raising a point that they would raise and you may have seen ambassador dermer raise certainly. Israel accepted a ceasefire proposed by the egyptians hamas did not. President abbas is the president of the Palestinian People and head of the reconciliation government accepted the egyptian proposals and as we speak he is in egypt to discuss with the egyptian leaders the implementation of this egyptian initiative. And also two days ago the entire council of arab Foreign Ministers endorsed this egyptian effort. And we are putting all possible efforts with many parties including americans, european, u. N. In order to see the ceasefire to be put. Rose with respect to ambassador, hamas did not accept it. Thats an issue. President abbas met with one of the leaders of hamas in cairo just about an hour ago. And we are engaging all parties including our brothers in hamas in order to bring this situation and aggression against all people to an end. We need a ceasefire to be put in place. Hamas negotiated through the egyptians the ceasefire of 2012. And what the egyptian propose now is similar and we hope that at the end of the day, that they also would accept this call by the egyptians. Rose what happens if the worst occurs if theres an invasion, an occupation of gaza . We hope that that does not happen. And my understanding i was told by some senior official just a few minutes ago that the u. N. Asked for a number of hours if im not mistaken maybe six hours we hope it will be longer for an airing ground not to allow this tragic situation in the gaza strip to be compounded by additional number of People Killed but i understand that four boys were killed today from one family. Rose on the beach. On the beach. And many familiar wes were killed in a large group. In this connection if somebody wants to say that isreal has the right to defend itself, with a kind of defending when you kill children when you kill women when you kill elderly, when you kill disabled and large numbers of civilians that is not selfdefense, these are crimes. Rose as are crimes in which people blew up by citizens killed women and children as well. That is true and we are against the killing of innocent civilians by whomever and in any place and anywhere. And that is the position of president Mahmoud Abbas and that is the position of the palestinian leadership. Rose who do you think influences hamas. If iran for example believed to be the source of their weapons could be persuaded to exercise leverage against hamas, could they stop them . You know as well as i do that there are 90 forces in the middle east who have so many different agendas and they are influencing other groups. And of course iran and other countries have their own agendas and they have their own interest and if they find allies who can acquiesce with their thinking and with what they wanted, then thats what they pursue. So we understand that, you know, the hamas, for example, has relationship not only with iran but with other arab countries and other countries in the region who might have their own views and interest on things and therefore they tend to have some influence of hamas. Rose would you include qatar in that way. Yes. Rose so qatar and iran primarily have influence do they not. Also turkey has influence and that influence is leading president mahmoud but after he finishes his meetings in egypt today, he will be going to turkey and from there he will be going to the gulf including i assume qatar. He is not going to leave a stone unturned in order to bring an end to this bloodshed as quickly as possible because every minute passes without having a ceasefire in place, we lead so many precious lives to ask the Palestinian People especially children and women and others and we want to stop that. We are suching a lot from so many tragedies and were suffering a lot from so many losses to our civilian population and we want an end to it. Rose when they were bringing hamas together, did hamas have to give up anything in order to gain that child of union . I think they did, yes. Mainly they gave up their control in running the effort in the gaza strip which from their perspective this is a big thing that they have together. Let me just also add it was only israel, the only country that opposed this government of National Government of consensus and they declared that openly. In fact this war that we are witnessing, it might be for the objective of israel destroying the government of National Consensus. They want to show president abbas in the west bank during the first two weeks of this episode that he is helpless and he cannot defriend his people. And now he wants to show hamas that is responsible for the tragedy of the people in the gaza strip and they want the Palestinian People to come to the conclusion that we dont want this National Consensus government. That is the objective. And he did not succeed in convincing a single government including the United States government not to support the National Consensus government, the government of president Mahmoud Abbas. When they are divide the israelis were saying they cant because they dont represent all the palestinian including those in gaza. He didnt want to negotiate with them because he elected hamas and not elected peace. Hes the one who struck the deal with hamas in 2002 and they are the ones who had a negotiation in the exchange of prisoners. So if they allowed themselves to have all these relationship with hamas even through the egyptians and others, then why is not president abbas who is the president of all the Palestinian People not to reach hamas and all the political components within our political spectrum in order to unify our homeland. Rose when president abbas made that move, did he assume that he could change hamas . In terms of the kinds of things they they had are so unacceptable to israelis. I think that hamas was changing and it is changing. Theres nothing under the sun that doesnt change every day. And they are changing. Theyre the ones who struck this agreement with the israelis in 2012 of a ceasefire and they respected it for that period of time and they are the one engaged in a negotiation with israel to exchange the prisoners. I think they are changing and i believe that leaders of hamas who said thing to president abbas that he is in favor of a state on the borders of 1967 palestinian state which obviously would be an act with israel and he is in favor of not having violence and military operation, and told president abbas you can conduct the negotiation, usual in charge of negotiation as the head of the plo. We believe that these are steps in the right direction of hama changing its behavior and its political thinking to be very close to the thinking of the plo. Rose why dont they change their behavior. I believe reality would teach all of us to be more sensitive to things that will bring less suffering to the people and you know the objective is to end occupation. The objective is independence of the state of palestine. The objective is to be a state to allow our people to live on dignity and freedom next to israel and to enter a chapter of new relationship between us and the israelis. I think all palestinians including hamas are moving in that direction. Nobody would like to live in misery and pain and continuous occupation forever. Rose at the end of the kerry mission the problem was they just dont trust each other. Palestinians dont trust israelis, israelis dont trust palestinians. When you see all the suffering in the palestinian home are these conditions to create love and affection between neighbors or are they conditions to create resentiment and hatred. I think peace is a significant step that would allow us to move away from the culture of hatred and resentment and racism and discrimination into a beginning of a culture where we accept each other as equals and we start appreciating each others as people who deserve to live n freedom and dignity in their own homeland. Rose ambassador, good to have you here. Thank you very much for having me. Rose back in a moment. Stay with us. Rose magic in the moon light is the latest feature film by woody allen it is a romantic comedy set in the 1920s south of france. The film stars colin firth as stanley a magician who tries to demask a spiritual psychic played by emma stone. Here is the trailer for the film. You are still the best in the world. I heed i dont remember help. The plot thinkingens. The family also resides in the south of france with a woman who has them believing shes a spirit medium. You are the greatest debunker of faiths and spiritualists. She wont fool me. Look into my eye and told me thing about me she could never have known. Shes very pleasant to look at. Shes a visionary and a vision. Im getting a mental impression. Considering you are wearing a suit thats pretty darn impressive. Family doesnt believe in spiritualists, he believes youre all its appealing. I understand youre holding a seance tonight. The planets are in alignment. Give us a sign. You are questioning my common sense. You are so certain about the world. I tried to teach you that we dont know. Tell me about my colorful part. I remember a parliament. Go on. We cannot possibly know this. Im overwhelmed sophie. Theres more mystery, more magic. My opt aunt used to bring me here as a boy. Rose joining me now the films two star actors, colin firth and emma stone. Pleased to have them at this table. Welcome. Let me just start where i am compelled to star because of the conversation we had before. What is it about woody allen and a woody allen film that youre drawn to and that you have some trepidation about. Its a bit of a high wire act in a way because he shoots, this is very substantial material space and youre up against very very good people and he knows how to make been a film flourish out of a relationship. And a body of work years and years you can pick a decade. Rose and he can do many things. He can. Rose he can write, he can play music, he can direct. So the challenge is massive when you dont want to be the first. Rose you said he doesnt rehearse very much. The first shoot is the rehearsal. Thats right. We were given a script. You were given a month in advance as well. A month. Hearing all sorts of things about his approach to work some of which asked me and i said absolutely not. One which he doesnt direct either and he certainly does. Rose i think you said he had notes. Yes, absolutely. Rose thats directing isnt it. I find him to be a very involved director. A lot of people will tell you kind of sits on the sidelines and doesnt say much and had he feel like they dont know if theyre doing it riht or not and i did. Not have that experience at all. Rose does he have fun on the set or not. I think. Rose is he funny on the set. He hides it well a lot. Im sure hes having fun on the inside. You know. We had fun on the outside. Rose hes focused. Yes. There wasment a lot of chitchat in between. The trouble is if you get a reclusive new york intellectual and a very repressed englishman, you put them together you throw in the southwestern girl. She livens things up. Rose this is a dream for you. I think it is for most people. For many actors i think many actors. Rose how did it come about . For me i got a phone call in april of last year and they said he would like to meet me. I went to his office and i had one of those three andahalf minute meetings that you probably heard about where i walked in and i was standing for about a minute of it and we sat down on the couch and he said okay, thank you and i left. And it was three andahalf minutes. Rose that was it . Yes. Rose it was like a question . It was like where do you live. Rose that kind of stuff. Whats that coat. Its hot, take it off. Rose so he already knew about you too. That meeting was to simply sort of say were going to do this thank you very much. Hes a pretty wonderful casting director and i dont think that, i mean to this day he told me that he saw 30 minutes of one where i had been on the treadmill once when he was walking on the treadmill as he does every morning. I dont know that hes really seen me in anything. Rose in any other films. I mean possibly. Rose i bet they put something together. I dont know. Rose ive got to believe because of his interest is so catholic that hes, he thawz knows all about the movies that are being made, he knows the nba. Everything thats happening in new york and the world of music and restaurants. Hes a frequenter to all the best restaurants in new york. He seems to be a person really plugged into the world. Yes, i think thats probably true. Rose okay. So this movie. Youre a guy. You are a person who as a sideline sort of debunks people who are out there. Tell me about the relationship and what you discover in the character she plays that makes it an interesting relationship. There are parallels to pygmalion here. I think that you know, oscar wilde, hes basically in some ways i think this has rose whats the beginning of that quote. Thats plagiarizing. Hes not doing that. Hes clearly i would say influenced by the structure. And its freshed out with something which is entirely something of his own to the point where i dont think he even spot the equivalent. But, what you have is a super silliest selfassured man. Rose you call him super silliest, judgmental and air arrogant and has a superior intellect. Yes. Rose his First Impression of her is. That shes a southerner, uneducated. I cant remember them now but o the extent i first saw it do you really really need to hear any more of this unsympathetic diminishing of this person. But actually its all to set him up for a fall. Rose we create this sense of yes because one of the themes about it is calling certainty into question. I think that you are setting yourself up as fool hardy. Rose how does this character see him this young sophie. Thats complicated i think. Rose well try. Sophie theres more to the story than what we see of her in the first i would say half or three quarters of the movie. I think what you see of sophie is a real draw to this kind of lifestyle and this kind of sophistication in mind but she had had that exposure before and she had this gift and her mother was a very harddriving woman who decided to make money off of her daughter so she spent the majority of her life trying to make enough money to survive. And so obviously stanley is not someone that comes along very often and takes an interest in her. Rose shes determined to try to make him believe that shes not like everybody else. Very determined. Yes. Rose and does a pretty good job at it. Yes. I mean, i think that its dealing with the whole business of having faith in things that cant be verified. Whether thats theatrical purposes on stage. And stan three provides for himself. Hes a paradox in a way because he doesnt mind fooling people as stage craft. He makes an art form of suspending disbelieve in an audience but then hes prepared to come clean and say its a trick. He just doesnt like getting appropriated a some support of spiritually authentic thing. But there are other unseen factors that come into play. Its not just about whether theres a god or an after life or whether the magic is real its actually feelings for other people which dont fit into logic coming as well which is i think the drift that we start to see in the third act. Its not about whether shes a fake or whether shes real its this other thing she cant make sense of. Rose what is that. Its love really if you want to call it that. But this encounter was a humbling experience. Rose you dont know somebodys a fake until you fall in love with her. Yes. There are other factors here because it has to do with his friendship and his best friend. So youre getting things coming at you which you know werent the plan. Rose take a look at this. This is a clipping which stanley is mocking sophie. Excuse me i understand youre holding a sale tonight. Shes been waiting for the right moment and now shes saying the planets are in alignment. What do they have to be in alignment with, your vertebra. Can you do a seance if someone in the room is a nonbeliever. When you contact the spirits are we able to see the souls and how are they different from ghosts or are there ghosts. I should think souls are quite different. Have you ever heard of ecto plasm. Is that milky or like yogurt. Rose youre very big on the idea that if youre going to make a movie you really do inhabit the character and his time. I think i just do it for fun. I research a lot but i dont know if anything ive ever done the research has helped what ive done on the screen. I didnt go to universities and i spent my life doing this instead. I enjoy it. I diverts me into some area of live or history. Rose and you . Difficult go rose you left school when you did a power point presentation to your parents why you should go to l. A. You really know what youre talking about. We dont need to talk about it nowing ill tell you later. Rose when you were 16. And convinces her parents by the way she should get on the next bus and go to l. A. Not a bus, it was a car. We drove ourselves. At 14. At 15. Rose 15. Made a presentation. Heres another clip. This is your leading a seance. Here it is. Give us a sign. Harry, is that you harry . Spirits once for yes, twice for no. Harry, are you okay . Are you happy . Oh, spirit. If you can hear me, give me a sign. Rose its amazing. We were just talking about the technique of you looking at things and you never know what scenes are going to be cut out and that kind of thing. But he works fast. He cut this movie in nine days. This movie that hes doing now i believe unless my math is off his 50th the movie that were shooting right now. The one, yes. And i mean his process is so i think, hes really, its ritualistic. Hes quick. Rose maybe a pattern there now. In post production, he never dubbed a line in any of his films. Its standard procedure you do what he asks. He has sound reasons you always go in and do voice work afterwards. He said he never done it in any movie. He said hoped never to have to do it. I presume hes not familiar with it. After 40 or 50 films never having done it no, it would be like, he wouldnt even know the technology. Rose i bet if you have dinner with him hes one of the funniest and most interesting. I havent had the pleasure. Yes, yes. He was funny though, even when he was directing often at my expense. But hes the only director ever to refer to my performance as someblastic. Rose maybe he meant ease of performance. He did. Rose he has enough. Usually if hes happy with the scene you could hear the crew packing up to go film something else. Rose his movies dont cost a lot to make do they. I dont have an idea what the budget is. I dont either. Its a lot of very compelling reasons. Rose that was the thing when he filmed in paris these cities were making public the production in part. Thats one of the reasons he moved to europe and started making films. This film. Road island. Rose you went into that three minutes. I honestly showed up certain of my being fired. I showed up and i said im going to get fired. Rose before you said a word. Before i said a word. I was absolutely and i mean this convinced i was going to be fired, convinced. Ive infer been so convinced. Rose after you did the first scene did you feel more comfortable. No not after our first scene. We had a scene that we reshot. Rose what was wrong with the scene. I think we couldnt get the tone exactly right without you know the rehearsal and without a tape read you kind of finding you and he finding his and were all sort of you know. He often reshoots the first day. He did in our case and the scenes didnt make the final cut. Rose the first day scenes you reshot didnt make it to the final cut. Are you when you see a film often disappointed because what you thought was maybe your best moments didnt make it to the final cut or do you care . If i ever had a good moment, they use whatever they can get. No, this is not some sort of schtick, i promise you. Youre going fishing. I told you had a bad feeling about this. This makes may case. Rose does Academy Award oscar mean anything to you . Lay it on. Rose they made a mistake. You just got lucky because they promoted the hell out of that, otherwise. I can find fine work elsewhere, ill take you to know that. [laughter] you are the king of under appreciation. Rose the two things we know, expect the worst and under appreciated. Yes, exactly. Well no, appreciated for other things, you know. Rose what. Nonmeritricious. Meritricious . We have right angles all through this conversation. Rose so what did you learn from woody allen . Honestly, and this is, you know, the way i approach like literally nothing. I think the way i have tended to approach life and work maybe to my detriment at time is to not take thing too seriously and i dont think that he is taking his, i think he take his work very seriously. He cares very much but i think he has a bit of perspective on life because were all clinging to a whole nothingness. But i found him to be rose you both were careening into this. Rose lets talk about this. How did you prepare for this. How did you get up for this character of sophie. You took that seriously. I take that slightly seriously. I read a little bit about houdini who was calling out because there was a psychic that falsely spoken for his mother and he was incredibly angry with his mother. Am i correct . I dont know about that part. I read a little bit about that and honestly i just watched a lot of clara bow and her physicality. I figured sophie probably would have seen clara bow and shes an actress and shes a very vaudevillianistic and i had this whole idea it would be under played but woody wanted the hands in the air and fingers to the temples and this kind of. Rose like what youre playing isnt it. Yes, thats what they were like these psychics, seeing the future. Rose they were on stage. Yes. Rose the theatrics added to the disbelief. I dont believe i did her justice and shes probably mad at me somewhere in the nothingness. Is there something . Rose owe are you a mystic all. Is there anything mystical about you . Oh my god im entirely mystical. Am i not a mystic . I dont buy it. I love all of it. I love all of it so much. I wouldnt say i am a mystic but im very interested in it. Very interested. Rose really . Like you read book or what . I read books, ive seen psychics. Rose to get ready for this roll, have you ever been to a seance. First when i met woody it was a dream come true. When he offered me the role and i went to read the part and it was to play a psychic, i cried because i was so overjoyed to play a psychic because i loved it my whole life. Rose do you believe in spiritualism and all that stuff. Yes, 10 captioning sponsored by Rose Communications captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org hi, im ed slott. Its 2014, and theyre at it again. The u. S. Government is trillions and trillions of dollars in debt, and congress is just licking their lips trying to get their greedy hands on your hardearned Retirement Savings. Dont let them. Im here to show you how to rescue your retirement. 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