Supposed to happen march 1. Ifill and we look at the big money groups supporting and attacking hagels nomination. Woodruff we have two takes on the war in mali, an onthe Ground Report from the newly liberated town of gao. Ifill . And an update on the destruction of ancient manuscripts in the fabled city of timbuktu. Woodruff and we close with the story of a soldier who underwent a successful rare double arm transplant, after losing all of his limbs in the iraq war. I hated not having arms. I was all right with not having legs. Not having arms takes so much away from you out of even your personality. Woodruff thats all ahead on tonights newshour. Major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by viking river cruises. Bnsf railway. And by the bill and Melinda Gates foundation. Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve the chance to live a healthy, productive life. And with the ongoing support of these institutions and foundations. And. This program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. And by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. Thank you. Woodruff one week into his second term, president obama officially took on the issue of immigration today. He said it comes down to a simple question whether the country and the government have the resolve, finally, to deal with the longfestering national challenge. The president launched his effort in nevada where more than a quarter of the States Residents are hispanic. Im here today because the time has come for common sense, comprehends i have been immigration reform. cheers and applause the time is now. Woodruff the campaignstyle event at a Las Vegas High School came a day after a Bipartisan Group of eight u. S. Senators put forward their own plan. It calls for creating a path to legal citizenship for the 11 million undocumented people now estimated to be living in the u. S implementing that policy would be contingent on securing the southern border. Seven years ago then senator obama the joined a similar effort if the compromise thats been discussed and has the agreement of those who were in this room, if that ends up being the bill that is signed into law, its a winwin for everybody woodruff today president obama praised the new senate effort. He said the path to citizenship must be clear from the start and not just be tied to Border Security. We have to lay out a path a process that includes passing a background check paying taxes paying a penalty, learning english, and then going to the back of the line behind all the folks who are trying to come here legally. Thats only fair. Right . So that means it wont be a quick process but it will be a fair process. Woodruff back in washington Florida Republican marco rubio, a member of the Bipartisan Senate group, still seemed concerned the president wanted to move too far too fast if this endeavor becomes a bidding war to see who can come up with the easiest, quickest and cheapest pathway to green card possible, this thing is not going to go well, folks woodruff Senate Republican leader Mitch Mcconnell said hes withholding judgment for now i think predicting how one is going to vote on this package before it gets out of committee is something im not prepared to do. But i will say. What i will say is there is obviously bipartisan desire to move forward on immigration legislation. My assumption is the majority leader will be doing that. Woodruff that would be nevada democrat harry reid who said lawmakers must act soon. Im very, very hopeful. With the president in las vegas today, he has put his arms around the four senators on the democratic side and the republican side but with a caveat. He wont wait around forever to actually have legislation that we move on woodruff on the newshour last night two members of the Bipartisan Group talked up their plans prospect. Democrat dick durbin of illinois i dont want to say confident because im a senator. You know, i spend my whole life disappointed. Ive been 12 years on the dream act but ive never felt better about it and more positive woodruff and Arizona Republican jeff flake who said the Election Results got lawmakers attention, even those who doubt immigration reform. There is motivation to get it behind us for those who dont want to deal with it as well. So i think we have the planets aligned here now to move ahead woodruff the biggest hurdle could come in the republicancontrolled house where another Bipartisan Group is working on a competing plan. The first House Committee hearing takes place next tuesday. Ifill we take a closer look now at how the politics of the immigration debate are unfolding with clarissa martiinez de castro, director of Civic Engagement and immigration for the National Council of la raza. And kris kobach, the kansas secretary of state who helped write arizonas strict immigration law. Welcome to you both. Clarissa martinez de castro, as you listened to the president say weve come so far so fast as you listen to marco rubio say maybe too fast does it feel like you have turned a corner in this fight . Definitely have turned the corner. The reality is that it may seem fast but lets not forget that this issue of immigration has been debated in Congress Numerous times. One of the reasons why we are moving forward with it is because indeed so much ground has been laid before in previous debates. I think what we have right now is the political imperative, the moral imperative, and the economic imperative aligning to create the pressure and the space that Congress Needs to take action ifill what about those imperatives . Are they coming together in a way that you would like to see them . I dont think theyre coming together in the way that so many people are hyping this supposedly momentum think theyre coming together. Theres one really big factor that everybody is missing here. And that is the biggest stumbling block to an amnesty for 11 million or more illegal aliens, and that is the price tag. The last time an amnesty of similar size was contemplated in the congress was 2007. It was calculated that it would cost the country 2. 6 trillion over ten years because you make all of these predominantly lowskilled illegal aliens eligible for food stamps, w. I. C. C. Medicare, medicaid, Social Security all Welfare Programs. Because their contributions into the system are so much lower than a higherskilled higherwage employee they will be net drags on our fiscal problem so well be 2. 6 trillion farther in the hole. We have to remember the number one thing in front of congress right now is fixing our fiscal mess. This is just going to make our debt problem so much worse so i think once the numbers start coming out on the proposal and once its actually laid out in terms of bill language youre going to see a lot of members of both parties stepping back and saying, oh, i didnt realize it would cause that problem. So i would. Ifill you made your point. Clarissa martinez de castro could you respond this is a very interesting thing. The 2006 immigration bill had a congressional budget score of a net gain of 12 billion. And the 2007 bill had a Congressional Budget Office score of 24 billion. And so i think most economic studies out there have confirmed that there is expected to see a net gain to our economy from a Legalization Program but the most important thing. The c. B. O. Score. Ifill just allow her to finish. Ill be right back with you but the most important thing to also take into account is that over the past four years 1. 6 Million Immigrants have been deported. Just last year at a cost of 18 billion. I think what we need really is an immigration system for the 21st century. I know mr. Kobach wants to keep promoting antiimmigrant laws. And in many ways is opposed to ilLegal Immigration but we need a system that works i think that last characterization was completely inaccurate. I and many other americans who favor the rule of law are very much in favor of Legal Immigration. We are a country based on the rule of law but ilLegal Immigration does no good for our economy. In terms of those costs the c. B. O. Numbers dont take into account those. The medicaid medicare and all the other Welfare Program costs in the out years. It is a huge huge drag on our fiscal situation if we basically give access to all of these programs to this large number of people. We have to remember what happened last time we had an amnesty in 1986. Immediately we saw 398,000 cases of fraud. Those are the ones the i. N. S. Caught where people came into the country and claimed they were eligible when they really werent or in the case of one of the ring leaders of the 199 attacks on the World Trade Center he claimed he was eligible. He was already in the country. He was in new york city driving a cab. He claimed he was an agricultural worker. Theres going to be all kinds of fraud ifill i want to ask you about the Border Security part. Both sides seem to agree both the white house and the senate group and the people who are working on this in the house that nothing can happen unless theres some sort of agreement on Border Security on enforcement triggers. Do we see anything emerging that would speak to that or that we could really measure it . I think the president has a pretty strong track record on that arena ifill pretty strong track record . The facts are the facts. He has in fact committed more resources to the border, more boots on the ground. He has the numbers to prove it. Hes deported more people than any any previous administration. The reality is that a lot of those things have been exhausted. The next step is to have legislation to fix some of other pieces, like a verification process that work not just for employers about you also for workers, right . We want to make sure that people who are eligible to work dont get prevented from having a job because of errors in the program. Where we are right now is that we have tinkered around the edges of this problem so long weve exhausted that. Now we need to take the bull by the horns and really fix you know, fix the rule of law. A Legalization Program is a critical part of that. But also preserve the rule of law by having a working Legal Immigration system. Ifill chris kobach what about that . Is there a working Legal Immigration system in place and do any of the plans you hear being discussed ensure that in well, i mean our Legal Immigration system is working. Its the most generous one on the planet. We regularly bring in more than a million green cards holders every year. We process hundreds of thousands of nonimmigrant visas which are temporary visas every year. This claim that the system is broke and somehow we have to start all over from scratch is wrong. As far as her claim that the Obama Administration has a record to run on enforcing the law. Theyve brought work site enforcement to a halt. The deportation numbers it was revealed last year that actually they have been cooking the books and counting turnarounds at the border as deportations since 2010. Those were never counted before. Once you take those out we see deportation numbers are way down right now. As far as the proposal that the senators came up there theres not much there on the enforcement side of the equation. Its a very lopsided proposal. That is is probably going to give republicans pause especially in the house the reality is that i think like the majority of the American Public im not interested in a food fight. Im interested in putting a solution on the table. I think that the fact that we have an undocumented population of this size speaks to the fact that the system is not working. Ifill chris kobach the final word briefly it speaks to the fact that we havent tried a strategy of strictly enforcing our laws and encouraging people to comply with the law which means go home. Ifill thank you both very much. Thank you. Woodruff theres more on the immigration debate online. Newshour Political EditorChristina Bellantoni talked to two activists from past reform efforts. And still to come tonight, the challenges ahead for a new defense secretary; war ravages mali, and destroys part of its Cultural Heritage; plus, a rare double arm transplant. But first, the other news of the day. Heres hari sreenivasan. Sreenivasan a federal judge in new orleans gave the goahead today to a settlement with b. P. In the 2010 gulf oil disaster. The company agreed to plead guilty to manslaughter and other charges and to pay a record 4 billion in criminal penalties. The gulf disaster began with an Oil Rig Explosion that killed 11 people. Before the well was finally sealed, it spewed more than 200 million gallons of oil into the sea. Senator john kerry of massachusetts was confirmed today to be secretary of state. The vote was 943, as the five term democrat won the overwhelming approval of his colleagues. Kerry is 69, and a former democratic president ial nominee. Senators from both sides praised him in a rare show of bipartisan support. John has already built strong relationships with leaders across the world. Which will allow him to step seamlessly into the role of secretary of state. I dont know of anybody who has led the life that has been more oriented towards ultimately being secretary of state than john kerry. Sreenivasan kerry has been an unofficial envoy for the Obama Administration in recent years. He will succeed Hillary Clinton who is stepping down after serving as secretary of state since 2009. In egypt, the army chief warned the countrys political crisis could lead to the collapse of the state. General Abdelfattah Elsisi issued the warning as protests and violence extended into a sixth day. In port said, thousands of people marched in funerals for some of the 60 People Killed since last week. And in cairo, groups of protesters fought again with riot police. The protests are aimed at president Mohamed Morsi and his islamistdominated government. Evidence of a new massacre surfaced in syria today. At least 65 bodies were found in aleppo. The victims had been bound and shot in the head, but it was unclear who was responsible. Meanwhile, the plight of thousands of refugees continued to worsen. Some have even sought shelter in ancient ruins at serjilla, in northwestern syria. John irvine of independent Television News reports. Three weeks old. Reporter and what a world shes been born into. For her home is a hole in the ground. It was dug by the romans who used it to stable life stock. These are the ruins of a byzantine city thats been reoccupied by hundreds of people, desperate syrians forced by a modern war machine to retreat into an ancient life where they must wait for goliath to be toppled. This sub terrainian stable is now home to 60 members of an extended family. The mate remark told me their proper home was obliterated by a syrian army bomb. In what was the pa trishian part of the ancient city a child sleeps in a tomb. The crypt of a rich roman now houses syrias poor and persecuted. They even use the water that still flows into the roman baths here. The only function this site should have is to show case syrias rich history. Instead and perversely it show cases the desperate state of syria today. Met forically and in this instance literally many lives are in ruins. These people swapped danger for misery months ago, and they have no idea when they will be able to leave here. Tonight hundreds of frightened syrians, many of them children, will be trying to sleep in freezing burrows dug for animals 2,000 years ago. Sreenivasan for the second time in as many weeks, the smog over eastern china was off the charts today. In beijing, thick graybrown haze cloaked streets, reducing visibility so much that it forced airlines to cancel flights. Those who ventured outside had to don face masks to protect themselves. The Chinese Government responded by ordering more than 100 factories to suspend production. It also told workers to cut car travel by a third. In u. S. Economic news, home prices moved higher in november, at the strongest pace in six years. The standard and poors case schiller index said new york was the only major city to report a decline. And on wall street, the Dow Jones Industrial average gained 72 points to close at 13,954. The nasdaq fell a fraction of a point to close at 3153. Those are some of the days major stories. Now, back to gwen. Ifill we take a twopart look at president obamas choice to be the next secretary of defense. Confirmation hearings for former nebraska senator chuck hagel are set for thursday. Among other things, he is likely to face questions about the pentagons looming budget crisis. Automatic spending cuts set to take effect march 1 mean the Defense Department will have to find 52 billion in savings this year and half a trillion dollars over the next decade. Newshour correspondent kwame holman reports. Holman outgoing defense secretary leon panetta recently sounded the alarm at the prospect of looming budget cuts. The most immediate threat to our ability to achieve our mission is fiscal uncertainty. Holman that damage could be felt soon. Thousands of the pentagons civilian employees will face furloughs and reduced paychecks as early as april, according to deputy secretary of defense ashton carter. So if the new secretary is confirmed by march 1, the first fight, before he even finds the mens room at the pentagon, is going to be, how do i negotiate with the congress on behalf of my interests in the bigger context of the budget . Holman gordon adams was the Top White House budget official for National Security during the clinton administration, and now teaches at american university. When he takes office, the first challenge he has is, hell be in the middle of a sequester fight, because we are supposed to have a budget sequester meaning automatic acrossthe board cuts for the Defense Budget and every other federal budget that is supposed to happen march 1. Holman the pentagons top brass also is worried about any delay in resolving the budget fight. The joint chiefs recently told congress they may have to ground aircraft, return ships to port, and stop driving combat vehicles in training. Historically, military spending rises during wartime and declines by about 30 once the war is over. So spending that went up nearly 70 in constant dollars since 2001 is on the way down, as the u. S. Leaves afghanistan and the iraq war has ended. That means even if congress and the president reach a budget deal and avoid automatic spending cuts, the pentagons budget still is going to be reduced significantly, says adams. We are going down in the size of the Defense Budget. And the first and foremost challenge the new secretary has is how do i manage that drawdown . What do i do to make the forces smaller; to get control over management of the department of defense; to make sure hardware programs are coming in on time in budget, with the capabilities that we want . How do i get my arms around the pay and benefits compensation for the force that are very expensive . And how do i do all of that with less money . Holman former senator chuck hagel begins confirmation hearings on thursday. Hes made statements indicating hes open to cutting military spending. In an interview with the Financial Times in 2011, hagel said the wars in iraq and afghanistan necessarily shifted u. S. Spending priorities toward the military, but that times change. The Defense Department, i think, in many ways has been bloated. Lets look at the reality here. The Defense Department has gotten everything its wanted the last ten years and more. No american wants to in any way hurt our capabilities to national defense, but that doesnt mean an unlimited amount of money and a blank check for anything they want at any time for any purpose. Not at all. People have been looking for the bloat account in the pentagon as long as ive been doing it. Holman during the 1990s Thomas Donnelly worked on defense issues for republican members of congress. Hes now director of Security Studies at the American Enterprise institute. There are very few airplane programs. There are very few shipbuilding programs. The personnel strength of all the services is already much lower than its been, certainly compared to the cold war. So you are getting past the point where there is a lot of fat to cut. There is not much that wont be painful. Holman over the past decade, the size of the Ground Forces increased by 120,000 between 2000 and 2010. The army and marines now are aiming to cut 100,000 Service Personnel by 2017. Gordon adams predicts another 100,000 to 200,000 people will be moved out of the armed forces in the coming years. When you are out of major combat operations, the ground force is what you need less of, so its the automatic target to shrink. Its harder to shrink the navy and air force. You have a certain amount of equipment you have to fly and sail and a certain amount of staffing you have to have in order to do it. Holman but Thomas Donnelly thinks further Service Personnel cuts would be unwise. My view is that the force is too small. Its been too small for a long time. We could not fight iraq and afghanistan properly at the same time. Weve always had a socalled twowar construct so we could do two things at once. And thats kind of the definition of what its been to be a global power. Holman another way to make budget reductions could come from reforming whats called tricare, the Health Care Insurance system for soldiers, their families, and retired veterans, according to adams. The Health Care System is as out of control as Health Care Costs in the country as a whole and expensively administered. Its now a 50 billion a year system going up to 60 billion a year very quickly. Its about 10 of the Defense Budget just in the Health Care System. Holman those covered by tricare pay an average of about 500 a year in outofpocket fees, compared to about 7000 a year for civilians with private health insurance. Defense secretaries panetta and robert gates both tried to reform the Health Care System by raising annual fees for some retirees, but congress rejected their proposals. Health care is eating us alive. Holman military health care is not covered by reforms included in the socalled obamacare plan. It is the third rail politically, because if you try to get it under control, the reserve Officers Association and the Retirees Association come up on the net, and its a politically impossible situation. People in uniform can fairly say, hey, we are the few that are sacrificing to defend the country, putting our lives at risk, and you are going to take away my entitlements so you baby boomers can have a comfy retirement . Holman donnelly says its simply a nonstarter to ask veterans to make Financial Sacrifices if ordinary americans are not doing the same. Its really hard to see a solution to this problem that isnt part of a larger reassessment of overall government entitlements. I think politically it would be suicidal to try to take away from people in uniform, but you are not willing to take away from the rest of us. Holman while Thomas Donnelly and gordon adams disagree about how the new secretary of defense should go about implementing cuts at the Defense Department they agree that cuts are in inevitable. As we come out of iraq, as we come out of afghanistan, the American Public cares less about defense. The Congress Cares less about defense, and other issues have taken precedent. That puts defense under extreme pressure on the downward side. The Defense Budget is very much falling victim to the larger fiscal woes that the government faces. Holman as former Nebraska Republican senator chuck hagel prepares to face the Senate Armed Services committee on thursday, the difficulty of the fiscal issues confronting the next defense secretary already are clear. Woodruff hagel told pentagon officials last week that hed divest himself of investments in defenserelated stocks and resign from corporate boards to avoid any conflict of interest. Meanwhile, his nomination has sparked a political Style Campaign of television and newspaper ads for and against him. For that part of the story, we go to jim rutenberg, National Political reporter at the new york times. Jim, welcome. First of all, how big a campaign are we talking about . And how unusual is it for this to take place . Well, in terms of. Compared to the president ial campaign this is not like hundreds of millions of dollars. This at the most will be singledigit millions, at most. But these are Television Ads in five or six States Newspaper ads, web ads phone calls, mailers, and there are at least six groups on the conservative side and then two kind loosely formed supporting greums of republicans and democrats on the other side woodruff and on the against side, what is motivating them . Well, the motivation is, as im sure guys. I know you guys have covered exhaust tively is former senator hagels views on israel, some of his comments about the socalled jewish lobby and one group raises some of his comments about gays and some of his positions on gay rights. Woodruff and how much money . You said six groups. Who is funding these different groups . Well, theres the rub. Thats what makes this so unusual. We dont see these kinds of anonymously funded groups which is what these are, involved in cabinet fights but we have a lot of. We dont even. I cant say a lot. We have anonymous donors funneling money to some sort of popup groups and some of the more traditional groups. Well never know who some of them are if they dont reveal themselves i saw in what youve been writing that some of them are the same folks who were giving to republicans, conservatives in the campaign in last years election but there are also different groups involved yeah. I mean, we have, for instance sheldon addalson who is the casino executive out of las vegas who we think we can say this confidently the biggest individual donor in the history of american politics. Hes making phone calls to the hill. We dont know what kind of money he has into this fight. Hes making phone calls. When you know the money he spent, that has great influence, theres other donors who we dont again. We dont know exactly who they are but it seems to be that there are some of these new groups that are out of left field woodruff jim, what about on the pro hagel side . What groups are there and how much are they spend something they are spending as has been the case in the last couple of cycles far less. I think were looking. This is a really ballpark estimate. But maybe 100,000 or maybe a little bit more on some newspaper ads by a group of former National Security officials of both parties. Kind of the Foreign Policy realists of the reagan, bush and clinton campaigns who liked hagel a republican himself and theyve done a couple newspaper ads and some web activity but its been kind of paled next to the conservative onslaught woodruff and they are able to get away with not revealing who they are why . Well, Citizens United the Supreme Court case of a couple years ago, gave donors confidence that they could get involved in these groups. There would be no legal trouble. Now these groups could have existed but it gave confidence so it started a growing trend of anonymously funded groups coming along for whatever the battle of the day is. Citizens united in the mix. We also at the same time have these operatives who run these groups, have become very good at setting them up with nothing to do this year. So its kind of a perfect storm woodruff you also talked to them jim, i saw in your reporting. For all the money that was spent against president obama last year, that was a campaign that wasnt successful. You talked to them about that and about why they think its worth theirnr money this time. First of all in the case of sheldon addalson he told the wall street journal a few weeks ago easy come easy go basically. Im in the gambling busy and you lose sometimes. For him, this is chump change. He probably didnt even notice the 100 million or so that he reportedly spent out of his bank account. But others like foster frees who is a big investor out of the west he wants to keep spending. He believes what he believes. They do know that they lost and didnt get what they wanted for their money so theyre going to think about tactics Going Forward when we get into the Real Campaign season. It doesnt make sense to spend on Television Ads if there are better uses for their money but they are going to spend their money. Woodruff jim, youve been looking at this nomination fight. What do the prospects look like . Does it look like the ad campaign is having an effect . Frankly right now it does not look like its having an effect. And his prospects seem good. Ive sat in similar seats before and said soandso is going to sail through and they dont. We have to go through a hearing. We really dont know what is going to happen but right now the oddsmakers in washington whose track is spotty, lets face it. But seriously they believe he will go right through in which case this money would seem wasted. The groups will tell you theyre making an upon point about policy. They are putting hagel on notice that they expect him to kind of be at least somewhere in the range of their issues. Thats all they need for their mon eevment theyre going to get this woodruff we will be watching those hearings once again underway. Jim rutenberg of the new york times, thank you thanks for having me. Ifill we return again to the west african nation of mali, as jubilation gives way to retribution in the newly liberated city gao. Lindsey hilsum of independent Television News has an onthe Ground Report. Be advised some of the images may be disturbing. Reporter the soldiers got him before he was attacked. Just as well. Vij it antis had already beaten up this man before the military rescued him. In gao, those said to have cooperated with him the muslim jihad in unity who ruled this city for nine months, are in acute danger now. Theyre from majoa. Theyre the islam i haves who have gone into their homes to hide smed weve been rounding them up to hand them over to the military. Reporter days of joy emerging into days of vengeance. On saturday as mallian soldiers entered the town, a jihady fired into the crowd. The pictures are too graphic to show. He was lynched. Torn limb from limb. Left mutilated and dead. Today we saw one of the jihaddists weapons clashes. The people of gao are full of anger about the men who used their town as a base for their war against all things western. Theres no one here to stop them taking revenge. We took a short tour of the destruction of gao. Goats patrol the banks the jihadis looted and then blew up. No one is dancing at the nightclub they destroyed with rocketpropelled grenades or praying at the Catholic Church which they scaled to pull down the cross. Rebuilding may be easier than repairing the damage done to peoples lives and minds. In timbuktu today people came out to see how the jihadis destroyed the past as well as the present, burning the famous 17th century islamic manuscript kept in the museum. Theyre the heart and soul of timbuktus people. When they hurt them they hurt the people of tim bic due. Everyone was crying reporter africans are readying to keep the peace after the french have stabilized malis northern city. Stopping revenge attacks against those accused of collaborating with the jihadis may be one of their hardest tasks. Woodruff Lindsay Hilsum is reporting in woodruff as Lindsey Hilsum just reported, in timbuktu an important Culture Heritage is also at stake. Jeffrey brown picks up on that part of the story. Brown there remains a great deal of confusion about the extent of the damage in timbuktu. What is known is that the city a United NationsWorld Heritage site, was home to more than 200,000 ancient manuscripts and other artifacts spanning many centuries, stored in small private libraries and a Large Research center. Special correspondent fred de sam lazaro visited timbuktu ten years ago for the pbs Program Religion and ethics newsweekly. Heres an excerpt from his report. Reporter its an impof returned town of 30,000 most of them nomadic traders or subsistence farmers but tick buck due is rich in History History that sub saharan has only oral and no written traditions. Before there was an america timbuktu was a Thriving Center of learning with a university. Professors were teaching philosophy, theology and mathematics. Reporter professor al haj says the earliest records go back to the 11th century to a prosperous desert cross roads where salt, gold, slaves and scholarship were exchanged. That all ended in the late 1500s with moroccan invasions and later french conquests. Today much of timbuktus architecture seems frozen or more appropriately baked in time. The 15th century mosque was timbuktus nerve center of intellectual life. So this place was used for the classics. In the summertime they give lecture here. You have a circle here. At least 40 or 45 or 50 students reporter well before europes renaissance, students and scholars, as much as 25,000 came from west and north africa and the middle east to study islamic law theology and a range of secular subjects. Today the legacy of that scholarship lies in a vast scattered collection of historical manuscripts. Yeah, this is the library reporter the ahmed baba collection named after a 15th century scholar has some 40,000 manuscripts. Arabic was used for theo logical as well as secular works, testament to the islamic worlds leadership during the period in medicine and the sciences. Every now and then theres a manuscript in hebrew. This one is a 16th century letter by a jewish trader writing home to morocco about market prices in timbuktu. The other is bilingual reporter despite a wealth of content the priority now for scholars and manuscript owners is the uphill task of saving the crumbling manuscripts we have some manuscripts touched by water, by fire reporter their survival is a tribute to the ancient binders. This koran survived a building collapse, the classic gee mat ric art work on its goat skin cover are still pristine on the back. 17th century. But this is the oldest one. 1114. The oldest one. Reporter a handful of collections like these have gotten support from universities and foundations in the west to catalogue, preserve and restore manuscripts. Brown for more, we are joined by mary jane deeb, chief of the african and middle Eastern Division at the library of congress. Deeb was involved in the digital curation of timbuktu manuscripts with the help of one of the ancient citys librarians. The views she expresses here are own. First we want to be careful about how much we know or dont know, right . At this point, were seeing some reports of some of these manuscripts have in fact been saved absolutely. This is the case in many wars. In iraq it was the same thing so at first they say everything has been destroyed. When we get closer we see that the librarians themselves saved the manuscripts. The owners and directors of those libraries, the people who work there are aware of the danger and they start pulling them out and hiding them brown give us a sense of the owners of the libraries. There are small private libraries. Theres one larger research. Tell us a little bit about the place and the libraries reporter traditionally both in africa and the middle east the owners of those libraries were families who passed those manuscripts from generation to generation. And the eldest son became the librarian, if you want. Responsible for the preservation of those man uwe scrips. The case in timbuktu is the same. There are about 32 private libraries. Families owning the man scripts and keeping them. And the man whom youve just seen has worked to preserve his own manuscripts and also those of some of his friends and relatives. And he has worked with the library of congress. We have over a period of time started to digitizable some of those manuscripts brown and the manuscripts themselves, planning many centuries, right 13th to the 19th all kinds of subjects . Who wrote them . Tell us a little bit about the work. Its wonderful. There are skoal ors. Theyre scholars travelers, historians, all kinds of people who worked in timbuktu wrote those manuscripts. For example, there are manuscripts on botany and on the Medicinal Properties of plants which really are relevant even to this day. There are manuscripts on putting people on trial and the need for proof that the person has been a criminal. There are manuscripts on astronomy, not just the movement of stars but how the movement of stars relates to the culture, how it relates to the seasons. There are manuscripts on social conditions. For example, on the issue of inheritance. Who inherits how. There are traditional laws. There are islamic laws. So there are also manuscripts on politics. You know, manuscripts telling governors and leaders, well this is as far as your authority goes. In islamic law those are your limits. Fascinating. Brown this all of course goes to the Cultural Heritage of the place that fred de sam lazaro was showing us. This was a very vibrant place of culture, of law, of study absolutely. You know it began as a commercial center. It was at the cross roads of north africa and sub saharan africa. It was also on the route of pilgrims going from north africa to saudi arabia to mecca and medina. It became very wealthy. When people are wealthy what do they do . They Start Building mosques to celebrate and to thank god for their wealth. Those big mosques became centers of learning. And then learned men came on their way to. From pilgrimages pilgrimages. Scholars from cairo, from fez in morocco from tunisia came in. Their own scholars began major debates on issues of religion of law, and shared scientific knowledge. Brown thats the melting pot, right because of all those different cultures because it was such a commercial center absolutely. It was a wealthy center. It was a commercial center and it was open. Open to people coming from different parts of africa of the middle east, and even from turkey and from europe. So it was an enormously cosmopolitan if you want as well as learning centers brown its no longer that and yet it preserves much of that past. I mean, how much is. How much of that life still goes on now . Well, its limited. Obviously. It is still at the cross roads. It is still important at times but it is those manuscripts that are the heart of timbuktu. It is there that preserves the history of the people who live there. Of course, the monuments themselves. Timbuktu is a World Heritage site. So it remains like some of the ancient cities a place of wonder and of beauty brown and again with caution because we dont exactly know about the rules here but to the extent that things, if things are lost, what is lost . Well, its an enormous amount of knowledge that we will not be able to replace because it is knowledge created by the people of the region. It is their knowledge of their tradition, their culture. It is knowledge of plants of deserts, of science, of philosophy, of law. That really is a universal thing. To lose that is really very sad. Brown all right. Mary jane deeb. Thank you so much thank you. Brown you can watch all of freds story on the ahmed baba collection on our web site. Ifill finally tonight, the story of the first u. S. Veteran to receive a double arm transplant. Doctors at Johns Hopkins hospital in baltimore, where the surgery was performed last month, released details of the operation today, and the reaction from the patient himself. Ifill for 26yearold brendan marrocco, a retired Army Sergeant it was a moment four years in the making it feels amazing. Its something that i was waiting for, for a long time. Now that it finally happened i really dont know what to say because its just such a big thing for my life. Its just fantastic. Ifill in 2009 then private marrocco lost both arms and both legs in a roadside bombing outside baghdad. And then just over a month ago he received a rare double arm transplant. Today he was discharged from Johns Hopkins hospital in baltimore. Dr. W. P. Andrew lee led the team that performed the 13hour operation. Only six other patients have undergone successful double hand transplants in the u. S. , and brendans surgery was the most extensive and complicated arm transplant performed. Ifill sergeant marrocco said he is already seeing signs of progress i dont really have feeling or movement in the hands yet but well get there. I can move my elbow. As if it was my elbow the one i had before. I can rotate a little bit. This arm is pretty much not Much Movement at all. Ifill his doctors cautioned it will be slow going. Maybe a year or longer before marrocco can fully use and feel his new arm. In the meantime, the patient played down any talk of going for a double leg transplant arms is certainly enough for me. I hated not having arms. I was all right with not having legs. Not having arms takes so much away from you out of even your personality. You know you talk with your hands. You do everything with your hands basically. When you dont have that youre kind of lost for a while. Ifill marrocco said ultimately he hopes to swim and compete in a marathon using a hand cycle. More now about the surgery the road aside for sergeant marrocco and the Bigger Picture for future treatment. That comes from a key member of the hopkins team, dr. Jamie shores, the clinical director of hand transplantation at the hospital. Dr. Shores, thank for joining us. We know that this operation was rare. We hear hes one of only seven people in the u. S. Who have had a double hand transplant. You who risky was it . Well, we feel that weve been able to minimize the risks because we do so many rehearsals and we did such an extensive preworkup on it to make sure we mitigate any negative aspects to the operation to lower them and make it as safe as possible. But there is always risk with any sort of operation like this. If you look at the number of hand transplants that have been performed in the u. S. Though, the rate of not having the hand survive the operation within just the first few days is extremely low. I think there probably have only been two cases where hand transplants have been lost out of probably 22 attempts in the United States that we know of ifill you did you did rehearsal. Tell us about that. How many were there and how does that work . Well, we did several. What we do is we. Based on the preoperative workup we do for brendan, we go to anatomy lab and we have cadavers that we use to try to study what we think is the best way to transfer nerves, muscles, to provide bony fixation to dissect out the blood vessels and transfer those as well. We also rehearse the best way to try to procure the arms from the donor and preserve them. So we had a large group of surgeons that we rehearsed four or more times with. Ifill when you say large group, youre talking about how many people . Ultimately there were about 16 of us involved in the operation. But during the rehearsals we had even more probably like closer to 20. And we would take every single rehearsal and we would modify and refine our operative technique so that he we had things down. Everybody that participated in the operation is assigned a specific job. Atthey know what their role on the team is and they know where to go and what to do. Ifill im sorry to interrupt. Youre talking nerves and bone and tendons animussal and skin and another donor arm. Limb. This sounds extremely complicated well, its. It is a bit complicated. But thats why we do so much indepth planning and so much rehearsing. We want to take all the guesswork out of it to make it as safe as possible ifill he said today he couldnt feel anything yet. Its been about a month since the surgery. How long does it take for things to begin to regenerate for feeling to be restored for mobility to be restored . The mobility will probably start earlier for him because the muscles that move his elbows are his own muscles on both arms. The right arm were not allowing him to move very much right now because we want where we put the muscles that flex the elbow and extend the elbow into the tendons that anchor into the bones of the arm that we have attached there to heal. But his left arm, the elbow flexors and straighteners are all his own. So they work well. Ifill he had a prosthesis on that arm before, right . He had a myoelectric prosthesis, thats correct. The problem is the nerves. The nerves are the limiting factor for every kind of transplant. Nerves take about a month to start regenerating. Then they grow at a rate of about an inch a month and help the young people. In healthy young people. If you count the number of inches from where we transplanted his arm all the way out to his finger tips were talking about a few years of nerve regeneration that were going to have to wait for until he has good sensation there. If you look at the progress that hand transplants throughout the world have made what we see is that every single year even after theyve had their transplants for five years or more, they seem to still recover more and morrison sayings. Ifill one of the Doctors Today was saying at least one other transplant recipient was using chop sticks at this stage thats correct. The only other above elbow transplant thats been performed in the u. S. Which we performed about almost three years ago is still acquiring more and more function. He has not yet plateaued. We expect that brendan will do the same for years hell keep Getting Better and better ifill let me ask you a very basic question. We have done a lot of coverage here and everyone has been following very closely the incredible leaps and bounds that have been made using proceed thesis. The mobility which has been restored especially to victims of i. E. D. S and other traumatic injuries in wars. Why not continue to build on that technology . What is the advantage of transplantation . We actually still are building on that technology. We here Johns Hopkins even participate in a program that capitalizes on that led by a surgeon called targeted muscle. For certain people that technology and using really advance robotics is a better option than other patients. So we try to decide that on a casebycase basis. The higher the amputation, the poorer the nerve regeneration is going to be. We have a feeling that those patients at least right now are probably better candidates for more advanced robotic arms but for people like brendan who have lower amputations if you sit and talk with them, theyll tell you how much they dislike their prosthetics because theyre uncomfortable, theyre heavy. They swept like crazy inside of them. They have to have somebody help them take them on or put them on, take them off. So. And they dont have any sensation. When you put all those things together if you look at how much most prosthetic users actually wear and use their prosthesis. The best best roared use rates are usually about 50 of the time. Having a hand that doesnt come off, that also has sensation, thats comfortable you know that weighs as much as a hand should seems to be what the body wants. Ifill dr. 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