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that seems to be the pattern in the election in 2020 and 2022 and likely to play it down in 2024. we're not focused on threats abroad. we're not specifically focused on the factif russia keeps marching forward. its relationships with other authoritarian regimes get tighter and we'reit in for a ve difficult year at home and abroad. >> ben, what colonel vindman just said i thinkol is interesting. the threats have proliferated. the world is just fundamentally a more dangerous place than it was four years ago and what happens orea what we do -- not just what happens in ukraine, what americapp does, how americ leads in ukraine is something that not just our allies are worrying about and paying attention to, but more importantly perhaps our bu adversaries. >> yeah, i think that, look, we're living through a phase of authoritarian renaissance of sorts, of the ethno nationalist

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here at home but also around thd world. joining me now is the t retirede united states army lieutenant colonel and former director of european affairs at the national security council, alexander vindman. with us tonight ben rodes, deputy nationaln security advir under president obama and co-host of "pod save the world." thank you for being here tonight. colonel vindman, when you and i started talking about ukraine years ago after you so bravely reported on thatso phone call i which donald trump tried to shakedown the then new president of ukraine, it was about our allies. it was about european safety. it was about curtailing an expense and russia, but it wasn't then centrally about ll democracy, the state of democracy in the world. today it kind of is. we have learned that democracy around the world is fragile and ukraine to some degree is our front line for this. >> that's very true. first, let me start by saying happy new year, start on a positive note.

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>> and i want to give a shout out to beto because he had the courage -- beto had the courage to say, look, you can't walk around talking about gun safety but you don't have the courage to figure out how you're going to take 5 million assault weapons off the streets of america. >> joining me now neera tanden, former senior adviser to president obama and hillary clinton who was the policy director, policy director for hillary clinton's 2008 campaign. she's the president and ceo of the center for american progress. ben rhodes also back with us. he helped barack obama write the famous speech we saw in the previous segment. welcome to both of you. ben, let's talk about that night in 2007, this night in 2007 at that event in iowa. you put a lot into that being the pivotal moment for barack obama and in the end it paid off. >> yeah. i mean, look. he was lagging behind in the polls. there wasn't a sense of whether or not you could put this whole thing together, and that's really the starting gun

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former u.s. district attorney for the eastern district of michigan. and ben rodes, former deputy national security advisor to president obama, he's also an msnbc political analyst. welcome to all of you. thank you for joining me here on a friday evening. congressman khana, good to see you again. let's talk about what the next step is in this process, the open hearings. at least for the next week or so we presume the hearings of the people who have been subpoenaed or invited will testify in a closed door setting where democrats and republicans are present. >> yes, ali, we will continue to gather the evidence and it's important to understand republicans are there as well, they have their counsel. and the important thing to realize here is the facts aren't in dispute. i think a few key witnesses like ambassador taylor will establish that the president withheld aid, pressuring zelensky to investigate joe biden, his political rival and this is unconstitutional. >> congressman, what's the advantage of the closed door hearings versus the public hearings?

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elizabeth warren, that she's a fighter. kamala harris that she's a prosecutor. mayor pete talking about how he can inspire a new generation, a lot like then senator obama did. and joe biden really making the case that, you know, actually both donald trump and putin see him as the most wary opponent. >> ben, both amy klobuchar and kamala harris are not in that front pack, but this is an important three months that's coming up. kamala harris pulling out some staffing from other states to concentrate everything on iowa. and by the way, a strategy to make iowa really important did work for barack obama. but that looks like what kamala harris is doing now. she's putting it all on iowa at the moment. >> and she's closing some offices and pushing chips in iowa. just throng the discussion, ali, we all kind of knows the outlines of the race right now. you've got warren, biden, pete coming on. bernie hanging on. and to me when i go back to why did that speech work for obama,

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not about working with the europeans to try to strengthen the ukrainian government but how can we facilitate rudy giuliani's effort to pressure this government to investigate the president's political opponents. that is a wholesale corruption again not just in the phone call but what the tax aided u.s. government was doing to do trump's bidding. >> barbara, ben just reminded, we haven't heard from rudy giuliani in a few days. one week ago we were talking about how he had butt dialled an nbc reporter, that said donald trump continues to try and have this tried in a court of public opinion. he in the course of one speech has now tried out the corruption angle and tried out the i was just waiting for uk and germany and france to do more. does any of this matter in the end? >> it could. you know, anything he says, anything he tweets are admissions that can be used against him later. if he locks himself into a

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certain story and changes his story later, there is some suggestion that there is a lack of truth there. but i think that impeachment unlike criminal prosecution is ultimately a political process. and so if he can win in the court of public opinion he may be able to win in the impeachment battle, as well. so i think that's the game he's playing. he's good at it, and i'm sure he'll continue to try to distract people from the real facts. >> barbara mcquade, thank you. congressman ro khanna and ben rhode. coming up, one republican congressman head butting a camera today instead of talking about trump's behavior. he said the call -- he said the call is off to get an answer. we're going to tell you what we found out after the break. and later a big break after the 2020 front. who broke through amid the breaking news tonight that beto o'rourke has ended his quest for the white house.

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does any of this matter in the end? >> it could. you know, anything he says, anything he tweets are admissions that can be used against him later. if he locks himself into a certain story and changes his story later, there is some suggestion there is a lack of truth there. but i think that impeachment unlike criminal prosecution is ultimately a political process. and so if he can win in the court of public opinion he may be able to win in the impeachment battle as well. so i think that's the game he's playing. he's good at it, and i'm sure he'll continue to try to distract people from the real facts. >> barbara mcquade, thank you, congressman ro khana and ben rhode. one republican congressman head butting a camera today instead of talking about trump's behavior. we're going to tell you what we

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ro khana of california and has attended many of the closed door depositions from the impeachment investigation. and also joining us barbara mcquade and ben rodes, former deputy national security advisor to president obama, he's also an msnbc political analyst. congressman khana, good to see you again. let's talk about what the next step is in this process, the open hearings. at least for the next week or so we presume the hearings of the people who have been subpoenaed or invited will testify in a closed door setting where democrats and republicans are present. yes, >> yes, ali, we will continue to gather the evidence and republicans are there as well, they have their council. and the important thing to realize here is the facts aren't in dispute. i think a few key witnesses like

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