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stories here, who has more perceived credibility at this point? it's a tough call. what do you think? >> well, that's a good question, i don't think either one of them does. president trump says things that are untrue all the time. he has about this very anecdote because the new york times reported a year ago he helped create a false statement about this meeting. don jr. most likely told his father about this meeting, it's not plausible that he wouldn't have. michael cohen doesn't have credibility. rudy giuliani doesn't have credibility. i think what this does, we don't know again if this is collusion, if collusion is a crime. if this is actually an impeachable offense. we'll wait for mueller to figure this out. whether or not there was a direct act that could be
translated from collusion to conspiracy. but i think what this does is, with michael cohen seemingly turning on the president, it exposes him with regard to his business dealings at the trump organization. that's what the trump allies are worried about. if michael cohen has decided he can no longer be loyal. in he has roads to take investigators down in terms of a potential financial crimes by the trump organization over the years, that's going to be extremely problematic for the president. >> this could be just one piece of the puzzle, the information he's putting forward. >> the president has uncharacteristically not spoken to reporters since this cohen tape leaked. sources are saying trump has had a difficult time with what he sees as a huge betrayal on the part of his fixer. what does the president's silence indicate to you now? >> this is a pattern we've seen before, when there's difficult news, especially in a case where
there may be a legal liability involved. the president retreats to media, sean hannity, the white house took an extraordinary measure this week. and we learned the washington post had a story indicating this pretty much came from the top, the president has been asking his aids to consider banning other reporters who ask questions that he deems unfriendly, there's a bit of a siege mentality here. >> and silence on the tweets too. now, following cohen's accusation, democrats are ramping up accusations that trump included with russia, of course. watch what eric said on the rachel maddow show last night. >> it's not about what donald trump did with that meeting, i think what is significant is what he did not do.
if he knew that the meeting was to take place, he did not tell his son to cancel the meeting. he did not tell the fbi about the meeting, and if anything, he further encouraged and emboldened the russians to hack. because he went out and said, russia, if you're listening, which was two years ago from today, you would be rewarded for hacking hillary clinton's e-mails. >> it's an interesting time line that gives us more of a picture of this mosaic. what do you make of the congressman's comments. >> you really see this defense that trump has laid out is very -- rests very much on him not knowing about this meeting. one of his own talking points has been, why didn't the obama administration do more to publicize the russia threat. if you knew that was rush yaz was actively trying to help your campaign by peddling dirt. why didn't you do more?
why didn't you go to the fbi. you see the kind of rabbit hole this leads into here. the white house can't sustain some of these earlier defenses. >> and then we have this almost comical reversal from giuliani. what do you make of giuliani pivoting from calling cohen honest and honorable and then saying, he's lied all his life shortly thereafter. >> it's a damaging shift from a legal standpoint. rudy giuliani is going to have to bring this up in court at some point. the fact that he's completely changed his tone on someone who can be a key witness in this case is not good for his credibility. and he really -- i've talked to some legal experts in reporting this out the last few days. they were making the case that he should not have taken a definitive tone on mikal cohen to begin with. he should not -- you should step back from the public position he's taken.
that being said, the strategy from the trump legal team seems to be to fight this out in the court of public opinion. that's what rudy giuliani has been doing over the last couple weeks. >> that is the political strategy the president has insisted on. >> i want to talk about this coziness with russia. trump is open to visiting the kremlin after receiving the surprise invite from putin. it's been a confusing and shocking relationship, especially since the helsinki summit. where do things stand in your opinion? >> it's interesting to concerned republicans throughout the government and outside of government that it took days for us to learn from the president of the russian federation, that they had discussed president trump going to moscow. now, it's one thing -- the only thing worse that putin coming to the white house, where you heard congressional leaders in the president's party say he would
not be welcome in the congress, that would be quite a frosty visit in washington. but the only thing worse is for president trump to go to moscow. that's not in the best interests of this country. they can keep talking at g 20 meetings or get together in some way, on neutral ground. it's not a good idea for the president to go to moscow. if you're looking at the next couple weeks and months, and the midterm elections coming up, you're going to see continued push back from republicans who want this whole idea to go away. shocking we found out about it days after the two hour meeting that no one knows anything about between president's trump and putin. >> not in the best interest of national scout. probably best that it's been postponed. thank you for sharing your insight. next up, legal jeopardy, how michael cohen's bombshell allegation puts president trump and others in a pretty uncomfortable situation. stay with us.
mcquaid thank you both for being here. by a flub of accounts 37 wieselberg has a lot of answers. this is a pretty big deal, what do you think the significance is of his subpoena and what are federal investigators looking for here. >> the subpoena is particularly significant because it comes in the investigation in the southern district of new york into michael cohen. what it suggests is, there is a link to the trump organization and perhaps president trump himself in that investigation. they're now looking at trump's finances. i think it's an opportunity for them to look at, were there fraudulent payments, bank fraud, money laundering. as his long time chief financial officer, wieselberg has access
to all this information. i heard him described as the human tax return. this could be a real gold mine for investigators. >> he was involved when the trumps, when trump's father was at the elm. what legal danger could the president face if it's proven he did know about it? >> well, certainly other facts are going to matter to find out context and other things. it suggests the possibility that president trump could find himself facing conspiracy charges if they're able to prove there was an agreement between russians to do a number of things. we've already seen the indictment against russians to defraud the united states out of fair administration of elections. president trump could be added to such an indictment. there could be charges for violating the computer fraud and abuse act as has been alleged in the other indictments. there's also concern here about
some sort of obstruction of justice. we have donald trump jr. saying he didn't know about it. president trump has said he didn't know about it, i don't know that this standing alone makes out a criminal case, you add it to all the things president trump has tried to do to divert attention from the investigation into coordination with russians, this could be a powerful evidence of obstruction of justice. >> the challenge for mueller will be to find that truth, that proof. cohen reportedly claimed several people were in the room when trump was told about this trump tower meeting. corroboration can be everything for prosecutors to make their case. how could that change things for the president if there were other people there. >> there were two ways it could change for the president. one is corroboration, if other people are persuaded to tell the story that does appear to be there. you don't need the corroboration, you have the ability to examine what happened
before and after that meeting. you have phone records. there's no doubt in my mind bob mueller had before we were talking about this. you have all the financial transactions that the financial crimes network processes. bob mueller has access to all of that information. as these walls are closing in on all of these fronts. many things on the russian ya investigation front. it encourages more people to come forward and tell the truth and cooperate. this is a snowball effect that probably isn't going to end soon. >> when donald trump jr. testified, he was questioned about a blocked number he was in contact with while arranging the meeting, he testified he didn't know whose block number it was. what if any questions could he face if it turns out he lied about this? >> this seems to be the kind of thing he's speaking before he thinks through the consequences of it, not knowing the blocked
number you were in contact with, it strains credibility a bit. given the number of false hoods that have been stated, he's not putting himself out there as a good fact witness for himself. many of the things he's mentioning, there are ways of finding out whether it's true or not, that's the real issue, saying something doesn't mean it's true. with the other evidence coming in around him, he's putting himself in jeopardy, and closing in the walls around his father as well. >> we learned this weekend, special prosecutor robert mueller examining tweets and negative statements made by the president for possible obstruction. his tweets seems sometimes pretty innocuous, how can they help the investigation here. this is interesting? >> it is really interesting. and certainly a new form of technology, new form of communication that hasn't been used much before for this kind of thing, it can demonstrate what's necessary in a case like
this, these aren't secret communications which often is the case when you're trying to obstruct an investigation. you told some witness you better lie for me or else. this is putting public pressure on jeff sessions and jim comey about the investigation. was he trying to nudge them in a certain direction? stand ago lone, i don't know that any one of these tweets would make a case. to prove that corrupt intent, they could provide a real window into president trump's mind, when you see what it is he's tweeting. >> when i briefed bob mueller the intelligence report every day. i saw the way his mind worked. he left no stone unturned. if there was something that could give insight, he did not hesitate to ask and follow it up and chase that fact until he had it. there's no doubt in my mind that he's incorporating these tweets into the time line of potential obstruction of justice. >> they certainly can give us an
indication of the thoughts that were going on at that time. david and barbara, thank you for sharing your insight with us. saturday a major push by republicans to keep control of the house and overcome a pretty difficult electoral map. we'll have a live report from chicago. trade wars, the political risk as president trump's tariffs start to hit home for people in his base, stick around. i'm ray and i quit smoking with chantix. i tried cold turkey, i tried the patch. they didn't work for me. i didn't think anything was going to work for me until i tried chantix. chantix, along with support, helps you quit smoking. chantix reduced my urge to smoke. i needed that to quit. when you try to quit smoking,
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this is a hotbed of political activity. why is that particular seat vulnerable to a democratic takeover. >> we're in an upper middle class area, and democrats believe if they flip this seat in november, they have a chance, a better chance of taking over the house of representatives. that's why these volunteers are behind me right now. they're door knocking, it's not a campaign, it's a super pack, their main target is to protect the house republican majority. they're going knocking on doors. we're in imil's sixth congressional district. peter ross come has won re-election in the past. he's facing a tough competitor. these are tight districts and districts like these all across the country. there group is trying to contact 400 users today alone.
i spoke with courtney alexander when i was in the phone making area earlier today. listen to what she says about the voters they're targeting. >> what kind of voters are you targeting? >> voters that might note that extra touch to go out and vote in the midterm. here in illinois, talking about the great lakes. we're talking about salmon hatcheries. in florida, we're talking about the everglades. >> that shows you a little bit about what these outside groups are doing, and how seriously they're taking the midterm elections. this is not a campaign it looks like a campaign operation. this is a super pack. they can raise and spend unlimited amounts of money. raise tv ads, play tv ads and
hand out mailers as they're doing now. operations like these are happening all across the country. about 100 days away from the midterm elections. >> it's an illustrative mic microcosm. republicans in the midwest could face a backlash to president trump's policies. today agriculture secretary sonny purdue told this to reuters, farmers will receive money from the $12 billion aid package as soon as september. that money is designed to help farmers affected by the administration's aggressive tariff policies. the president could already be paying a price politically. trump is losing support in the midwest. his job approval in michigan, minnesota, wisconsin is now in the 30s. he deserves to be re-elected.
as you remember, trump won wisconsin and michigan by pretty slim margins. joining me to talk about this is former iowa governor tom vilsak. president and ceo of the u.s. dairy export council. >> thank you for joining us. >> great to be with you. is this bailout helping farmers? it doesn't seem to be what they want. >> they want markets, they want to be able to earn money the right way. very dependent on export markets. soybeans are down 20% sales have been stopped in china. and we're really dealing with the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars of had income. a $1.8 billion loss over the last several weeks. it's a fairly significant
opportunity and challenge that farmers face because of these tari tariffs. markets that were open, markets that had momentum are now being shut off. >> to explain this better, china buys most of the u.s.'s soybeans which are now being supplied by brazil and other countries that are ramping up production. that's been hurting the u.s. >> the reality is, the retaliatory tariffs increases the cost of our soybeans to chinese purchasers. they're not competitive. they're not competitively priced. that makes it easier for south american soybeans to be closed into china. mexico is our number one market for cheese. our cheese used to be financially advantageous to the mexicans. the refail ya tory tariffs by mexico, makes it -- we have a logistical advantage, at the end of the day, the tariffs have
made it difficult for us to make the financial case. >> we have these tariff issues as well. the eu made some concessions depending on who you ask. is trump right that farmers are getting a raw deal from previous u.s. trade policies, in your opinion? >> it's interesting. because we had the highest farm income in the history of u.s. agriculture, the highest export numbers in the history of u.s. agriculture, it's difficult to make the case that the trade issues directly affect negatively the farm community. farmers benefit from exports. we happen to be on the front lines, the casualties of this trade war, which is why the president and his team put together this aide package. politically advantageous, prior to the president's visit to the midwest and prior to the november elections. farmers acknowledge that they need help, but what they would like to see is nafta
renegotiated as quickly as possible and this chinese situation resolved as quickly as possible. >> there are questions about whether the president himself fully understands the complexity of some of these trade issues, trump tweeted, tariffs are the greatest, a country that has treated the u.s. unfairly on trade or it gets hit with tariffs, it's as simple as that, and everybody's talking, remember, we're the piggybank that's being robbed, all the will be great. during trump's meeting with the european commission president this week. the eu leader used a dozen cue cards. how do you assess trump's approach to trade. how does it compare to president obama, of course. >> i think president obama took the view that we benefit from global trade as a nation that we create relationships with nations that make us a more
secure nation. in agriculture in particular, we had an advantage, there are issues with reference to china, the problem is, is that when you go after china, you go after china alone as the sole nation, we didn't build a coalition many if we had another number of nations join us. it would have been far more difficult for them to reail yat in the way they did against u.s. agriculture. the problem isn't that they're raising questions about china. it's how they've approached it by going it alone. we put a bull's eye if you will on u.s. agriculture. and they're paying a steep price, the problem with the bailout, it provides some additional help now, it doesn't guarantee we get markets back that we lose as a result of these tariffs. this is a difficult situation for farmers, they're anxious about this. >> tom, we appreciate your very informative insight on this topic. thank you for joining us. >> thank you.
>> republicans table their plan to impeach rosenstein for now.
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they claim he's stonewall iing. congressman mark meadows is leading this fight against rosenstein. he will give the justice department more time. >> one of two things will happen, we'll either get the documents that we're entitled to, or there will be some type of action in september. >> it's an effort to undermine mueller's investigation. joining me now is michael singleton, and adrian elron to break this down. >> thanks for being here. meadows says he may consider a contempt vote instead of considering impeachment. why this change of heart? >> i think for the freedom caucus, they recognize that for their base, which is the same base as president trump's. this is something that resonates
particularly with those political voters. i'm extremely disappointed with the fecklessness. i have to ask, why aren't they focused on protecting our elections. they have a guy who's a republican, who was appointed by the president. it doesn't make any sense to me. >> jeff sessions continuing to back his deputy, however, take a listen. >> my deputy, rod rosenstein is highly capable. i have the highest confidence in him, you probably know, not only did he go to the wharton school of business, but graduated from harvard right here in this area. so what i would like congress to do is to focus on some of the legal challenges that are out there. >> very to ask you, adrian. what do you think is really behind this move by the freedom
caucus. and all the stuff we've been talking about? >> it's two things, the freedom caucus is trying to do everything they can to undermine the mueller investigation, they're going after one of their own. he's overseeing the mueller investigation. this is what their base wants to hear, there have been some reports that have come out this weekend that there are people in american who are staunch supporters of trump who are glad that russia interfered in the election, because they wanted to make sure that donald trump won. the freedom caucus, jim jordan, mark meadows, all of their members are doing what donald trump's base and their base wants. >> let's talk about our relationship with russia. putin invited trump to moscow. john bolton says the summit is being put off until next year, when the witch hundred is the
over. is it clear that the mueller investigation is over, what do you think the postponement of this meeting possibly indicates? >> i don't any of us has an idea. i think more than likely, knowing him, he will probably wait until after midterms, because he doesn't want to impact the election whatsoever. as it relates to russia and putin, i have no idea what the administration is attempting to do here, there isn't a coherent strategy. i don't see how inviting putin to the white house benefits -- i mean in a classical sense, there's a lack of courage and a lack of magg in a minitti we have expected with all of our presidents of the past. for some odd reason, the republicans, a party that respects tradition, that respects norms have flown all of those things out the door and for what, it's not going to
benefit us in the long run. i don't know what the president seeks to gain out of this. >> seems like an apt word to describe the relationship with russia. some foreign policy experts agree with trump that he's been tougher on russia than the previous administration, why is there disconnect between policy and trump's reluctance to criticize putin and what we're seeing. >> i'm not sure who those experts are, or their credibility. it's not true, donald trump is buddied up to our biggest adversaries out there, north korea, russia, china to an extent. and at the expense of our democratic allies, he's alienated some of our closest allies, candidate to put at the top of the list. bust i want to go back to something that john bolton said, the fact that the national security adviser of the united states of america is actually
calling the mueller investigation -- which is looking into the interference of russia, calling a witch hunt in the official white house statement is, i can't believe this is actually happening, i guess we can't -- there's nothing that's shocking any more. i think it's important to realize, this is the national security adviser who made this statement, this is a person who's in donald trump's ear, constantly advising him on all matters of national security, we're going down a dangerous road here. >> certainly interesting wording. >> michael singleton. thanks for being with us. >> thanks so much. >> still ahead, we're going to be talking about facebook. what led to the social media giant's one day, $120 billion market plunge, if you can believe it. liberty mutual accident forgiveness means
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billion. so founder mark zuckerberg himself lost $17 billion in that sell-off. the company blames slow growth in the afr management of the whole cambridge analytica -- aftermath of the whole cambridge analytica controversy. facebook admitted data from 87 million users may have been shared with cambridge analytica which used the information for political purposes. not what they bargained for. joining me, nbc news senior business reporter ben popkin, and elizabeth dwaskin, silicon valley correspondent for the "washington post." thanks for being here. ben, how did facebook get here? $120 billion loss. we knew that they couldn't withstand those sky-high valuations and live up to them. but no one expected the hit to be this big. >> right. i mean, this has been a hyp hyper-growth company, 40% growth for a long time, and planning for it. facebook told everybody, you know, hit the brakes, we're switching to being a 20% growth company. they're increasing margins,
they're spending money, spending more money to crack down on some of these behaviors. data scandals finally coming home to roost, finally hitting their bottom line. cambridge analytica, russian interference, fake news, info. wars, all these things are clustering together. they're finally having to pay the price. and it's really -- you know, why it was so steep was because investors, what analysts told me, they didn't expect this to come so quickly. they thought maybe six months from now it will kind of taper down to 35% growth. maybe go and trend down. it was so hard and so fast, and that's why it got hit with that 20% massive historic ding. >> really surprising. so elizabeth, i wanted your take. mark zuckerberg warning his investors there would be a hit to profits because of investments made into security. doing the right thing was going to cost them. but isn't that an easier story to tell than the fact that they're having this big problem with user growth? >> no, i think you're absolutely right. look, it's what's -- as a tech reporter, you're looking at the
story. he said that profits might be dinged about a year ago, agent months ago. he -- eight months ago. he said it, and as a reporter you think when is it going to catch up to them. all in one day it did. it's not really the user growth. one piece is they lost about three million users in europe, a big deal. their growth has basically been flat in the thu-- in the united. it is growing in the developing world but not as quickly. there's still a lot of people who could still come on facebook. there is still room to grow there. i think it's more about the cost of some of the privacy features that they're building, and like for instance, you know you can clear your browser, you can clear your cookies? facebook recently introduced a clear-history tab. it's one piece of the toolkit they're releasing to reduce the data they can collect. and that's going to reduce their margins. i think that's what they're really talking about. >> and a big question is zuckerberg's role in all this.
he laughed off accusations two years ago that his company allowed a platform for misinformation that could have impacted the 2016 election. take a listen. >> personally, i think the idea that fake news on facebook of which, you know, it's a very small amount of the content, influenced the election in any way i think is a pretty crazy idea. >> so he apologized after that. he faced testimony on capitol hill. is he going to survive this latest hit in your opinion? >> well, there have been growing calls for ways to limit his power. he's chairman and ceo. he has these sort of super shares that give him massive control over the company and limit investor voice. there are calls for him to step down. from what it looks like, you know, facebook will continue. this is not the end of facebook by any means. but it is definitely a
significant turning point where they have to change their strategy. let's face it, facebook at its core is based on violating your privacy. it's based on getting you -- tricking you into giving up as much information about yourself as you possibly can so they can give it to advertisers, so they can deliver you highly targeted ads. all these steps that they're doing to make facebook safer, make it easier to use, giving you tools, that limits their ability to invade your privacy. so their problems are completely contrary to their core business models. so they're really at this -- at this crux. and they're going to keep having problems. their business model creates the problems. simply spending more money, adding 5,000, 10,000 more contractors to pull away this crazy inflammatory content, that's not going to stop another russia hack, some other kind of even more, worse misinformation from bubbling up again. that's what facebook really has to contened with. >> right. these are not the problems that mark zuckerberg and others in
silicon valley, billionaires, signed up for when they started these things. face it, facebook is still a massive profitable company, and it will do just fine. it just has some growth -- growing pains to go through. ben, elizabeth, thank you for sharing your insight with us. >> thanks. tonight, msnbc presenting a special look at some dramatic efforts to rescue those 12 boys and their soccer coach from a cave in thailand. you'll hear firsthand from members of the rescue team. they took part in the 18-day mission. watch "inside story: thai cave rescue," tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern only on msnbc. and it's a fascinating tale.
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Is-reporting-trumpJusticeRussianBe-my-guestDepartmentVladimir-putinTrump-tower-meetingPresidentMoscowTeamCorrespondentWhite-houseairports. yes, they're convenient. but if other people know there's no security there. >> sure. but if you're looking at the kind of simple screening you can get at these airports, i don't think we need that much screening. >> -- >> i got the leave there it. i'm sorry. appreciate it. thank you both. tune in sunday morning to state of the union with jack tapper talking to congressman ed royce and deval patrick. that's all sunday morning, 9:00 a.m., 12:00 p.m. eastern. our coverage continues with wolf blitzer in "the situation room." happening now, breaking news. mueller and the madam. robert mueller's team interviews the woman who earned notoriety as the manhattan madam. the special counsel apparently wants to know about her ties to roger stone. is mueller building a case against the long-time trump ally? russian hysteria after u.s. intelligence chiefs paint a grim picture of continuing russian interference at u.s. elections. moscow responds with ridicule,
know anything about russian collusion. he didn't participate. and so far he has not been called in to to meet with mueller. >> clearly an important story. thank you very much, sara, for that report. meanwhile, prosecutors have laid out the lavish lyle steiff of paul manafort. now on day four of his trial, they're digging into details of his alleged tax and bank fraud. evan perez is over at the federal court in alexandria, virginia. evan, what's the latest? >> well, wolf, we got some of the most important testimony that we've had so far in this trial. we heard from two of paul manafort's accountant, and both testified that he did not disclose to them that he owned these foreign bank accounts that the government says were simply money that he stash aid a way, $60 million that he got paid over the years from ukrainian oligarchs and ukrainian government people that he was working for. they both testified that paul manafort and rick gates hid the fact that they had these bank
accounts, and in fact, that they thought that the money was coming in were simply payments from clients. we also heard from the first time from one of the witnesses that has been offered immunity by the government to testify against the government. cindy laporta is one of the accountants, and she described how her firm, people working for her, with her essentially fudged some of the numbers on behalf of paul manafort in order to reduce his taxes. she said, quote, i very much regretted it appears the reason why she says she did this, fudging the numbers on behalf of paul manafort was because paul manafort was a very important client to her firm, wolf. >> and what about the prosecutors? what are they saying about how manafort actually used the real estate, it was quite sensitive, the real? >> this goes to the heart of the prosecution's case against paul manafort that basically, he was lying on his tax returns, lying
to the irs in order to reduce the amount of taxes that he was paying. one of the things, according to the witness testimony we heard today was paul manafort was reporting that he was using at least a couple of the homes that he owned in new york. he was using them personal residences instead of rental property. what this did, wolf, it essentially lowered his taxes when we reported this to the irs. one of the accountants who was on the stand today described exactly how this was done, to deceive some of the banks that paul manafort was doing business with. again, part of what he is facing here are charges of bank fraud. so, again, this is central to that case. and of course now that we've heard from one of the account t accountants who is saying that they participated in what the government says was a conspiracy, we're beginning to see really what the government is trying to do here, which is that these people were helping paul manafort hide money from the government, lying to the banks in the process, wolf.
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tack the credibility of rick gates. rick gates was his closest deputy. he has been described often in this courtroom as his right hadn't man. and we expect that he is going to point out that he pleaded guilty to lying to the government. that's going to be some very fiery testimony when that happens next week. >> we will of course cover that closely. evan, thank you very much. joining us now, democratic congressman eric swalwell of california. he is a member of both the intelligence and the judiciary committee committees. congressman, thanks so much for joining us. i quickly want to begin with the breaking news, the special counsel robert mueller's team meeting with the so-called manhattan madam, known for her ties to roger stone. do you see roger stone as key witness in the mueller probe? >> i do, wolf. and that's because roger stone will tell you that he himself is a dirty trick center. we learned in our house intelligence investigation that he and donald trump talked
regularly, not just the years before the campaign when they had talked about him running as president in prior years, but throughout the penancesy of the 2016 election. roger stone foreshadowed that these attacks were coming of course he has changed his testimony a number of times to the house intelligence committee sthachlt have all the reason to want to know what he knew and whether he passed on his knowledge to candidate trump. >> as part of the interview he granted to your committee, the house intelligence committee, do you think he was telling the whole truth looking back? i owe you've gone through the testimony. >> no. i don't, wolf. and we had an opportunity to test his story by subpoenaing his cell phone records, his bank records, his travel records, and the republicans on the committee were completely unwilling to do that. this was a take them at their word investigation. come on, in take a seat, answer our questions, and we had no interest from the republicans in testing those stories. and now queer left with this, that our only chance of finding
out the truth is bob mueller's investigation, which the president e day seeks to shut down. i think it highlights all the more reason we need to protect that. >> was he under oath? >> he was under oath, yes. >> so do you expect an indictment by robert mueller's team against roger stone? >> it wouldn't surprise me at all, wolf, just begin because of the way he has acted and the way he has bragged about working in the past and the dirty tricks he has used on campaigns. but again, the bigger picture that i see here with roger stone is donald trump was willing as a candidate to bring on to his team so many people who either use dirty tricks, close to the russians, or demonstrated zero judgment in who they were willing to do business with. so at the very best, like donald trump, he had extremely poor judgment. but the evidence suggest there's is not really innocent explanations here. it's that those qualifications helped them get the job rather
than disqualified. >> let's turn to the trial of paul manafort, the former trump campaign chairman. how important is this trial will is ongoing right now in alexandria, virginia to robert mueller's overall russia probe? >> well, it shows thene seriousness of the probe. it's t former chairman to the president, again, it shows that donald trump was willing to bring on his team somebody who had prior business relationships with pro-russian ukrainians. again, that would disqualify most people who wanted to work on a presidential campaign. i think with this president, that was actually something that inflated the resume and helped him. so if there is a guilty plea here, wolf, i believe that it's going to build a momentum, and the american people are going to start to understand the seriousness of just how close this president has drawn us to the russians. >> well, based on what you've seen so far, congressman, how strong is the government's case against manafort? >> i don't want to make that decision.
that's the jury's decision, and unlike the president, i'm not going to try to tamp were the jury. but i think they've at least met the standards to go forward and put it in front of jury. i have faith as a former prosecutor that this jury is not going to listen to the outside noise and they're going to do the right thing and justice will be served. >> yesterday, the director of national intelligence, dan coats, said he wasn't in a position to, quote, understand fully what happened between president trump and president vladimir putin during their summit last month in helsinki. it's been clearly three weeks. shouldn't the top u.s. official here in the united states know that information by now? >> yes. and i'm not convinced that anyone in the president's cabinet knows what was said, because as we've had opportunities to ask them, they seem to not understand. ranking member adam schiff and i on the intelligence committee tried to subpoena the translator so that we could have some sense of whether national security secrets have been jeopardized. but what really concerns me,
wolf, and i thought that press conference yesterday was great. it's sad they had to do it when the president was outside of the building. but it doesn't matter if dan coates and fbi director wray are doing all they can to counter meddling. if the person who is behind the wheel, steering, if that person doesn't, then we're still helpful and vulnerable. so we need the president to understand it. and we need him to issue the directives. otherwise, i'm afraid that the russians are going to keep doing it. and to say that the president does understand it, if he did, the russians wouldn't be doing it. the reason they keep hacking and the reasons they keep doing these social misinformation programs is they believe he's given them a green light. >> he has, why do you think he has? >> because they helped him, and he likes them. and he likes people who like him. >> congressman swalwell, thanks for joining us. >> my pleasure. up next of after the
national security teams and intelligence warn on russia continuing to attack, can and russia adds insult to injury, ridiculing the latest u.s. intelligence warnings as nothing more than, quote, stairia. when i received the diagnoses,
jersey. what's the latest? >> president trump is taking some time off at his country club in new jersey. but the storm clouds hanging over his administration, they have also made the trip from washington. one key question for the president that he is likely to work on during this trip up to new jersey is whether to finally talk to the special counsel, robert mueller. president trump arrived for a summer vacation at his jersey golf club-facing a potential hazard that is nowhere near the putting green, the prospect of sitting down for an interview in the russia investigation. the president is receiving no shortage of advice as political strategists warn it's a trap. >> i'm not an attorney, but my political advice to the president would not be to sit down with bob mueller. the opportunity to make a misstatement potentially or potentially get caught up in the word is too great of something that could happen there. >> while the president's legal team is keeping the door open. >> i'm not going give you a lot of hope it's going toe happen, be we haven't stopped negotiating. >> at a scampaign rally in
pennsylvania, the president hardly sounded like he is warming up to the russia probe. >> now, we're being hindered by the russian hoax. it's a hoax, okay? >> mr. trump is still bending the truth when it comes to his relationship with the russians, telling supporters he is no friend of the kremlin. >> i tell you what, russia is very happy that trump won. that i can tell you. >> despite the fact that vladimir putin just revealed at their joint summit he wanted a trump victory. >> translator: yes, i did. yes, i did. because he talked about bringing the u.s./russia relationship back to normal. >> reporter: democrats accuse the president of being at odds with his own national security team, who warned the world russia is still trying to interfere in u.s. elections. >> the president was missing, as you said. he was not only missing from that event, the next day he calls it a hoax. and what president trump did in helsinki and what he did yesterday in calling the russian probe a hoax, it gives a green
light to mr. putin to continue his activities here in the united states. >> and as one of the president's top intelligence officials conceded, it's not fully known what mr. trump told putin behind closed doors. >> i'm not in a position to either understand fully or talk about what happened at helsinki over to the national security director here. to address that question. >> the president is still nursing his grudges with the media, dispute anything news reports that he kept the queen waiting during his visit to britain last month. >> i'm waiting. so i was about 15 minutes early, and i'm waiting with my wife, and that's fine. hey, it's the queen, right? we can wait. but i'm a little early. honestly, folks, it was such a beautiful, beautiful visit and afternoon. but they can make anything bad, because they are the fake, fake, disgusting news. >> mr. trump again turned to the issue of immigration, this time trying to defend his past
comment that mexican immigrants are rapists and criminals. >> coming down the escalator, and you remember what i said? do you remember that? and i mentioned words, i won't even mention them tonight because there is a lot of young people here. but i mentioned words. and everybody thought it was wonderful. but then about two days later, they said did he say this? did he say that? guess what? what i said is peanuts compared to what turns out to be the truth. it's peanuts. >> now a source familiar with discussions inside the president's legal team says deliberations over whether mr. trump should down with robert mueller have been going on for months. the president is aware of all the risks and the president has been advised that talking to the special prosecutor would be a good thing for the institution of the presidency. wolf, it is widely expected rudy giuliani will make the trip to bedminster to talk with the president about all of this. it is getting to be crunch time for making this critical
decision. >> good point. jim acosta, thank you very much. also breaking tonight, russia is responding to the extraordinary warning from u.s. national security intelligence chiefs about moscow's efforts to independent fear in the upcoming midterm elections here in the united states. our senior international correspondent matthew chance is working the story from moscow for us. so matthew, what are the russians saying? >> well, as you might expect, wolf, the russians are pouring scorn on this idea that they had anything to do with manipulating the political environment inside the united states, particularly through social media, saying that they are expressing regret that this's has even been made by u.s. officials. the foreign ministry spokeswoman here in moscow issuing a statement saying this. the two-year hysteria around the alleged interference in u.s. elections which did not happen
mocks the whole political system of the united states representing democracy there as a house of cards. and so some of that language very reminiscent of the kind of language we heard a few moments ago coming from the presidents of the united states. what we do know is this is just the latest installment in a whole series, long-running series of denials by the russian government if they had anything to do with election manipulation, or manipulating the political atmosphere inside the united states. it comes, remember, as well as it's emerged there has been a russian spy at the heart of the u.s. embassy here in moscow, the russian capital. russian officials asked about this today. she worked at the embassy for ten years. she was firely apparently after being discovered a year ago. they were asked. we have no idea what or who is being talked about, but if the americans have any data they would like to share with us, we would be very happy to share
discussing this we with them, almost with a wink. let's look at what sources, how you've gathered your intelligence knowing full well the u.s. diplomats here are going to do nothing of the sort, wolf. >> good point as well. matthew chance in moscow, thank you. there is more breaking news. the special counsel's team questions the woman known as the manhattan madam, a friend of long-time trump confidante roger stone. what does this mean for the mueller investigation? and. and prosecutors focusing in on paul manafort's alleged financial crimes as witnesses testify the former trump campaign chairman was ocooking the books. stay with us. you're in "the situation room."
comcast, building america's largest gig-speed network. we're following multiple breaking stories right now, including sources confirming that the special counsel robert mueller's investigators have questioned a woman once known as the manhattan madam. she is a close friend of trump confidante roger stone. let's bring in our political legal and national security experts to assess. susan hennessey, how does this fit in, this manhattan madam development into the broader russia investigation? >> so this woman kristen davis has a long-standing relationship with roger stone. he actually was even her campaign strategist in a 2010 race for the new york governor, and she worked for him in 2016. but from the outside we actually have no idea how this individual might be connected to the russia story. what that tells us is there are a lot of things that robert mueller knows that we don't
know. so in special counsel filings, they have said there are multiple nonpublic lines of inquiry. that's their way of saying there is not just facts you don't know, there are entire matters being investigated that the public doesn't know about. >> what does it say they're interviewing her before they interview roger stone? >> it's not uncommon in these investigations to start at the edges and work your way into the bulls-eye. if roger stone really is the target of this investigation, what we could expect to see over time is individuals who are increasingly close to him being interviewed. that's a way for robert mueller's team to ensure they have the full story, a full understanding of what occurred before they finally sit down with stone. >> a long-time confidante of president trump's. could he have valuable information in this overall russia investigation? >> susan was talking and saying you work out at the edges and you work in to people who have very close relationships with roger stone. that's president trump. he has been working with roger stone for the better part of two decades in politics and has used him as a strategist.
i do think this should probably be alarming in some sense for the trump team that mueller may be interested in somebody who has such a close relationship with stone. i don't think if stone is a target, he may not be the only target in this investigation. and until we know more about this line of inquiry, i don't know that we can surmise very much. >> i'm sure the president always hates when they get closer and closer to people who have known and worked him for such a long time, like michael cohen, allen weisenbe weisenberg. >> see if he wants the talk to his children or son-in-law? >> those are important developments. could stone be a key witness in all of this? >> it's possible. i mean, it depends on the question that investigators are trying to answer, wolf. and of course there is a lot we don't know about the direction or the directions they might be going. but roger stone of course have a great deal of information,
unique information about president trump. having worked with him very closely in the early stages of the campaign and before that, as an informal adviser to trump, he essentially helped him launch his career. and then they spoke throughout the campaign. so stone would have a lot of information about trump specifically. but he wasn't a part of the formal campaign infrastructure. he wasn't talking frequently with some of the other senior campaign staff. so it would be specifically information related to the president in this case, that he could potentially offer. >> i assume they're trying to figure out if stone actually conspired, koomted, colluded, whatever word you want the use with the russians as part of this whole investigation. you know, shawn turner, what does it tell you that the mueller team itself is questioning this manhattan madam, this friend of roger stone instead of detailing it out to the u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york as they've done with others or what's going on in the eastern district of virginia right now.
>> yeah, well, i think it speaks to what we all know about robert mueller. he is a seasoned investigator who knows how to do this. he understands that it's often the case that people around the target of investigation who are the most unlikely witnesses are people who have the most valuable information. we also knows that he has to get this right. robert mueller is the kind of person that asks questions he already knows the answer to. i think by doing this himself and making sure his own team does it, what that tells me is he has a sense of the pick dhaer is coming together, and he knows what those various pieces are, and he is talking to her himself because he absolutely knows he has to ask the right questions in the right way to get to the information that he probably already knows exists. >> one thing we do know is that robert mueller doesn't do anything without a reason. >> as you were going to say? >> i was just going say that the other relationship of course is one between roger stone and paul manafort. they have had regulations going back too. obviously the current paul manafort case is not we know tied directly to the notion of russian collusion.
but it is another nexus of relations that exists. >> what has jumped out in the first few days of the paul manafort trial? >> i think the remarkable thing is just the strength of the case against manafort, the degree of witness, documentation that we've seen. i think it shows the degree to which going to trial is a hail mary here you. really have to ask yourself, maybe paul manafort actually thinks he's going to be acquitted. maybe he really believes he is innocent. you have to ask the question whether his play here is to hold the line and ultimately hope president trump pardons him? >> you think that's what he is hoping for? >> potentially. but donald trump in public in making statements about paul manafort has suggest head wasn't an important player in the campaign. certainly hasn't suggested he maintains any feeling of loyalty toward paul manafort. so it does seem like a bit of a hail mary that paul manafort would believe that the president could potentially pardon him. but if he has this menu of bad choices in front of him, maybe that's the least bad among them. >> he did suggest the other day, the president, that manafort was
being treated worse than al capone. >> shea bit player in the campaign with this, nothing to do with russia, but can't stop watching coverage of the manafort trial. i compare to al capone and say he has been treated unfairly. the president has been a little inconsistent when talking about manafort. we know he's completely consumed by the coverage of this trial. i can't think of another explanation other than paul manafort is waiting for a pardon because imagine the maximum pressure that's on him right now, and he has been remaining steadfast. >> so far. we'll see what happens. stick around. there is more we're watching. we'll take a quick break. we'll be right back. time. tap one little bumper and up go your rates. what good is your insurance if you get punished for using it? news flash: nobody's perfect. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. switch and you could save $782 on home and auto insurance. call for a free quote today. liberty mutual insurance.
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we're back with our political and national security experts. a big deal at the white house yesterday. all the top national security intelligence officials, they were there. they spoke about what russia did in 2016, what they're doing right now looking ahead to the midterm elections. it was a powerful statement, very coordinated. then a couple hours later, the president spoke at a big political rally for more than an hour in pennsylvania and said this. >> now we're being hindered by the russian hoax. it's a hoax, okay? i'll tell you what. russia's very unhappy that trump won. >> even though putin said that they wanted trump to win. it was a very, very totally different attack that the
leadership of the national intelligence community gave than what the president said. he didn't even refer to what they said earlier in the day. >> this must be the rare occasion when president trump was tuned in to television, because that. the was on every channel streaming live for the american people, but the president didn't get the message. it's kind of amazing to think about. and at the same time, that briefing couldn't have happened without the president's endorsement in some way. they couldn't have just gone out there and given the message that they did and the way that they did without some level of buy-in from the president. and so on the one hand, he wanted people to hear that from his intelligence chiefs. but on the other hand, goes out and then completely contradicts the message in addition to not supporting the message himself either in person or on twitter or some of the other vehicles he has to communicate with people. >> and the expression that said the buck stops with the national security team. because he clearly is hoping that by putting out that show of force, that that's going to give
him cover that he's dealing with the issue, but that he can go off and still say the investigation into exactly the kind of activity that the national security officials are trying to prevent is a hoax. you can't have it both ways and the president is trying to do so. >> the real concern here is the fact that the president and his national security team are sending two completely diametrically opposed messages to the american public. and the question who do you believe. some of the president's supporters tell us don't look hat the president says. look hat the president does. that leads us to think should we actually listen to the president's team who are actually telling us something completely opposite from what the president does. they really need to work on getting this message coordinated because it's unfair to the american people. >> they seem to be talking to the american public, the leadership of the national security team here in washington. and the president still seems to be talking to putin. >> exactly. and you to think about what message vladimir putin might be receiving. he got tremendous payoff from his last round of election interference. we now have reports that they're
at it again. whenever you're talking about deterrents, changing the calculation of your adversaries. if you were vladimir putin who by all accounts is a rational actor, would you be saying this is the commander in chief who is going to take strong punitive action if i engage in this behavior again or would you think he has given me a wink, and i can get away with pretty much whatever interto. >> i want to play a speech for you susan. this is a speech shortly after inauguration before a joint session of congress. listen to what he said. >> according to data provided by the department of justice, the vast majority of individuals convicted of terrorism and terrorism-related offenses since 9/11 came here from outside of our country. >> but your colleague benjamin witnesses over at law fair, he did some research. he filed a freedom of information request with the justice department for information to back up that assertion, that claim by the president. he said he received a response that said no responsive records were located.
tell us why this is significant. >> it's significant because this is evidence that the president of the united states stood in front of congress and lied about an important national security issue, and that is the department of justice saying essentially confirming that, right? the president said that he had been provided data to back up his this assertion. now anyone who works in this field understood that that wasn't true, understood the public record from the beginning. but there is this temptation with donald trump to just move on from the lies, right? he says it. it gets a little bit of coverage, and then sort of doing the spade work of proving it, of getting the department of justice to actually admit that it couldn't have shared the data with him because the data didn't exist in the first place takes a lot of time and resources, but it still is important to develop that factual record to show that the president is lying. >> stand by, everybody. there is more news we're following. is kim jong-un living up to the agreements he made with trump? very, very differing views that are emerging within the trump administration. the president saying one thing and the secretary of state
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comes as very differing views on north korea are emerging within the trump administration. >> good evening, wolf. that's exactly right. i don't think anyone is surprised that president trump is still speaking glowingly about making a deal with kim. but one of his closest advisers now warning, it may not be that easy. secretary of state mike pompeo, who leads the north korean negotiations, is now expressing caution over kim jong-un's commitment to give up nuclear weapons, just one day after president trump praised the north korean leader. pompeo telling reporters, chairman kim made a commitment to denuclearize. to the extent they are beying in -- behaving in a manner inconsistent with that, we can see we still have a ways to go to achieve the ultimate outcome we're looking for. president trump insisting it's all going well with kim. >> what i did with north korea was great. i got along great with chairman
kim. i got along great. that's a good thing, not a bad thing, by the way. >> reporter: but there is still no denuclearization agreement and pompeo revealing days ago, kim is holding on to his vital weapons capabilities. >> yes, they continue to produce phfissile material. >> what kim is doing so far is not seen as significant by u.s. intelligence. test tunnels were blown up, but the u.s. believes the explosions were superficial and the tunnels could be rebuilt. some destruction of facilities seen in commercial satellite imagery is at a largely out of date launch station. the worry, kim is using the nearly two months since singapore to keep building warheads and missiles capable of attacking the u.s., and the concern is kim will never declare the full scope of it all. now, eavesdropping and intercepting kim's communications may be the only way to learn the truth, some officials say.
trump has applauded the return of 55 boxes of remains presumed to be americans killed in the war, tweeting, thank you to chairman kim jong-un for keeping your word. and vice president mike pence used the return of remains as a key marker. >> we see today as tangible progress in our efforts to achieve peace on the korean peninsula. >> reporter: but it may take years to identify all of the remains returned and momentum towards denuclearization could be slowing. >> one of north korea's game plans has always been to stretch out the game, hoping for the clock to run out. in this case, the longer the negotiations drag on, the less resolve the u.s. may have. >> it's been just about one year since president trump's famous fire and fury remarks. now, u.s. troops might be headed back to north korea to help search for more u.s. war remains. and if they go, their security will be provided by north korean
troops. wolf? >> let's not forget, barbara, that on june 13th, right after the summit in singapore with kim jong-un, the president tweeted this. let me put it up there. he said, just landed a long trip, but everyone can now feel much safer than the day i took office. there is no longer a nuclear threat from north korea. so what he said then clearly in contrast to what pompeo and others are saying right now. still a nuclear threat from north korea. barbara starr, thank you very much. coming up, the breaking news. robert mueller's team interviews the woman who earned notoriety as the so-called manhattan madame. the special counsel apparently wants to know about her ties to roger stone. is mueller building a case against the longtime trump ally?
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problem it would be legal. if cohen himself made the contribution that would be unlawful because he has a limit of $5200. the complicated issue is what if trump told him to do it? then cohen would be acting for trump in the campaign contribution would be unlawful as long as the president ultimately paid in advance on what he was going to pay. that would be completely lawful. the prosecutor is in a little bit of a catch-22. if he believes cohen that the president directed him to do it then that's not a crime at all. if he doesn't believe, one, then, one has committed a crime and not the president and the legal pundits have been saying if colin admits to a crime, that makes trump an unindicted coconspirator just wrong as a matter of basic criminal law. you don't become an unindicted coconspirator if your action is
here is the deputy assistant attorney general on this very point. >> it's the exact opposite and it really gives rise to the sort of watergate comparisons. what cohen says in court, it's not in the information. he made a point of saying it not only was it a direction of trump but it was for the purpose of influencing the election. that gets down the middle in the bull's-eye of high crime and misdemeanor especially given how excruciatingly close the election was. it's quite like what the watergate burglars did except nixon was up 25 points against mcgovern. that is a serious corruption of governmental function and the election. >> it's not even a close question, that is so over-the-top. is not a crime to contribute to her own campaign. if he had written a letter to these two women saying you're going to hurt me in my campaign, i'm going to pay you $150,000 to
help me get elected president and you have to keep it quiet, it's hush money. no crime. i challenge any of those who say it's a crime to find me anything in criminal law that would make it a crime for a president personally to pay in order to save his own election. it's just not against the law. it may be a political sin, even if it determines the outcome of the election but the rule of law requires that when you say something is a crime, show me the statute. show me the statute. there is no statute that would make that a crime. it might be a misdemeanor for the campaign to fail to report that payment but it would be on the campaign, not on the candidate. that's not even a close questio question. that's not the kind of thing the framers had in mind. >> bret: they would have to have much more than what cohen has brought to the table right now to think about moving down
supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh until the air is cleared from all of this from the and manafort situation, your thoughts on that. >> the republicans deserve everything they get on this. they illegally improperly withheld a vote on the nomination of gore merrick garo that neil gorsuch could be nominated. i don't think two wrongs make a right. i think this nomination should go forward on its merits, we have to hear a lot more from brett kavanaugh to see if he warrants a confirmation. i think the framers of the constitution intended the senate to vote yes or no. they didn't intend the senate to be able to delay it until the end of the president's term. >> bret: new fox news poll indicating republicans trail
democrats 50-39 in favorability with a similar spread and unfavorable as you can see by the numbers. despite all of the negative press the president has been dealing with the last day plus. around the country by campaigning hard for his handpicked favorites. corresponded peter doocy looks at what the president is facing. >> president trump is clearing his calendar to help republicans keep control of congress, carving out at least 40 days between august and election day to campaign. that's at least five more days than president obama spent on the trail in the 2010 midterms and a person familiar with his thinking said we expect for him to be probably the most aggressive campaigner in recent presidential history. air force one stops will include north dakota, south dakota, missouri, montana, nevada, kentucky, and tennessee.
"we are fighting history, history tells us this is going to be a challenging year." a fresh batch of fox news pulls back set up because 53% of voters disapprove of president trump's job performance, eight points more than voters who approve. 76% of clinton voters say they are certain to vote in november, 9% more than trump voters. democratic voters are inspired but what about democratic candidates? >> they have nothing to run on other than attacking the president. >> attacking the president is the foundation of their pitch. >> via check and balance to donald trump wherever appropriate, preserve people's health care. >> health care is an issue president trump things will hurt vulnerable democrats. >> president trump: joe manchin always voted for obama and he voted to keep the disaster known as obamacare. >> something else he brought to the trail which he showed a
stop, nicknames were democrats democrats. >> wacky jackie. >> at every stop the president warns about who will take over if the house or senate flips. >> president trump: a vote for jon tester is a vote for chuck schumer, nancy pelosi, and the new leader of the democratic party maxine waters. >> the vulnerable senator doesn't think the president will sway voters in big sky country. >> in the end, montana is going to have who they want to represent in the senate. >> there is one thing president trump can do for republican candidates that is going to be tough for democrats to compete with and that is pack an arena with nosy supporters. it's not clear who democrats could call on as the party's leader draw a big crowd. >> bret: peter, thank you. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell has just filed cloture to end debate on 17
administrative and judicial nominees. our senior producer reports it would take the senate weeks to get through all of these nominees if they do it by the book but they are moving quickly on all of that. as we have told you before, there is a huge concern up on capitol hill and throughout the country about cyber security for the election. tonight, the government is sharing some of what it is doing to try to prevent a rerun of 2016. doug mckelway shows us. >> its nickname to the scare the heck out of you board and its front and center inside this cyber command center in the department of homeland security. each red pin represents some vital control connected to the internet potentially vulnerable to hacking. their concern is on the midterm elections. >> there's no evidence of the scope and scale of 2016 but that could change over the next day and the next day. >> just hours before she spoke,
the committee foiled an act of hacking. it was a reminder that election security is mostly in the hands of individual companies and jurisdictions. the federal government plays a mostly deterrent role against what nielsen says is the big four state hackers. russia, north korea, china, and iran. >> our message is simple, we will identify you and you will pay a high price. so don't bother. >> two bills that would impose such a price remained stalled in the senate. the director of national intelligence to determine within 30 days of an election whether a foreign state interfered and impose automatic sanctions. the secure elections act would require vendors of election machines to report any problems to dhs and to date members of the senate intelligence committee wrote one of the nation's largest election vendors warning they want to submit to independent testing.
that after an 11-year-old penetrated a model of florida's election systems and changed voting totals. after it was discovered that a russian oligarch recently became the biggest investor in the company that handles maryland's voting registered database. >> bret: stocks were mixed today as the current bull run on wall street became the longest in history at 3453 days. the dow lost 89 today, the nasdaq gained 30 both the s&p and the nasdaq finished at the third highest close in the history of those indices. up next, the illegal immigrant who confessed to murdering an iowa college student makes his first court appearance. here's what some of our fox affiliates are covering around the country. fox 46 in charlotte has a north carolina state committee recommends three confederate monuments remain on the state
capitol grounds. the panel says it should reinterpret the monuments and more information should be installed next to them to discuss slavery and provide historical context. this comes days after protesters toppled a statue of a confederate soldier. fox four in kansas city as the coast guard refers a sinking of a tourist boat to federal prosecutors. the accident killed 16 passengers and one crew member. this is a live look at the command center in honolulu from k ho m. hawaii residents stocking up on bottled water and other supplies as they face a threat of heavy rain, high surf from hurricane lane. what was a category five storm has weakened to a category four, still very strong. the weather service says
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>> bret: the illegal immigrant who admits to kidnapping and killing in iowa college student made his first court appearance today. the shocking crime is fueling even more outrage over an immigration system the president is now calling a disgrace. correspondent matt finn is in montezuma iowa tonight. >> wearing striped prison garb and a shackles, 24-year-old christian rivera was led into the county court in iowa this afternoon and charged with first-degree murder in the death of 20-year-old molly tibbets. immigration and customs enforcement agents say he's from mexico and has been in the united states illegally for 4 t. police say he confessed that he followed her on her nightly job. he told investigators she pleaded with him to stop trailing her and said she was going to call police. he claims he blacked out. when he came to, tibbets was in his trunk.
rivera led them to a cornfield to what they believe is her bod body. a farm spokesperson said rivera worked there for four years, but they didn't use the federal e-verify system to screen him and he's not who they thought he was. the judge was asked to block the media but was denied. >> the government has weighed in at the highest levels of predisposition that this young man is guilty. >> at a rally in west virginia, the president did weigh in on her murder. >> president trump: you heard about today with the illegal alien coming in, very sadly from mexico and you saw what happened to that incredible beautiful young woman. should have never happened.
illegally in our country. we've had a huge impact but the laws are so bad. the immigration laws are such a disgrace. >> a federal immigration spokesman told fox news that he never made a daca request. he's being held in a $5 million bond. >> bret: up next another of then candidate trumps early supporters looking at serious legal trouble tonight we'll have that story. first beyond our borders, russian president vladimir putin says economic sanctions against his country and are counterproductive and senseless. he described last month's helsinki summit as positive but blamed the administration for continuing to hit russia with sanctions. officials and local groups held religious ceremonies today in
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tuition, video games, golf, groceries, tequila, and more. he earns $174,000 a year, his wife is paid another 36,000 as campaign manager. the indictment says they spent substantially more than they earned. they overdo their bank account more than 1100 times over seven years resulting in $37,761 in overdraft fees. he claims the indictment as a political hit job by two prosecutors who attended a hillary clinton fund-raiser in 2015 although the u.s. attorney's office is run by a trump appointed republican. his father a former congressman defended his son. >> it's politically motivated by hard-core democrats who want to get him out of congress. >> with election day just months away republicans expected to win this description of the seat may be up for grabs. >> the department of justice is supposed to be separate from the
political process yet anything that the department of justice does with any member of congress will become political with an election in november. >> the "san diego union tribune"'s calling on hunter to resign leaving a 29-year-old democrat and what would essentially be a one-man race. >> now was the time to put country over party. >> the house speaker stripped him of committee assignments, and the congressman plans to fight the charges. >> bret: the earth is moving in venezuela, a strong aftershock jolted the northeastern coast this morning following the most powerful earthquake to hit that country in more than a century yesterday. since both came at a considerable depths, there have been no reports of major damage or deaths. the economy in venezuela is more than shaky. it's in crisis. that country's embattled socialist president is going to extremes to try to fix it. correspondent rich edson takes a
look from the state department. >> 60000% inflation, venezuelans need a stack of money to buy a bag of rice if one is available. a government solution, just dropped five zeros from the currency. >> that is a trick, this is a terrible deception. removing five zeros does not improve the economy at all. >> the international monetary fund to says inflation could hit one million percent. president nicolas maduro announced a 3000% minimum wage increase and raise corporate taxes and gasoline prices. analysts say that will likely accelerate hyperinflation. >> if this is poorly executed or unfeasible, it is a tremendous economic contraction. layoffs, much more limited supply of goods. >> the focus on zeros also creates confusion as venezuelans are left abiding by 100,000 to try to figure out what they have
and what items cost. millions have fled the country, most across the country into columbia. many will receive medicine and return home, others move across latin america. the united states has sanctioned the regime as it consolidates power there although the u.s. navy has sent a hospital ship off the coast of columbia to treat a venezuelan restaurant jeez. >> venezuelans who escaped to columbia tell us that the regime has been further suppressing individual freedoms there especially after an alleged assassination attempt earlier this month. >> bret: thank you, we will continue to cover the situation in venezuela. one of the world's least wired countries giving a little more connected now. cubans with cell phones are getting mobile access to the internet and a tentative but significant opening communications.
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>> just because michael cohen made a plea deal doesn't mean it implicates the president on anything. >> bret: the fallout from michael cohen the president's former attorney, personal attorney pleaded guilty and obviously his former campaign manager with a jury finding him guilty on different tax and fraud charges, this as legal experts differ on his entire campaign violation and what it means. >> if he had written a letter saying you're going to hurt me in my campaign, to help me get elected president and you have to keep it quiet, it's hush money. i challenge any of those saying it's a crime to find me anything in criminal law that would make it a crime for a candidate personally to pay to save his own election. >> bret: alan dershowitz
tonight on the show. and mollie hemingway at the federalist. let's do some behind the scenes in trump world the day after. >> i spoke to two sources who talk to air force one with trump, the news breaking is weak got a lot of play, those are people i've come to trust said that he was incredibly calm. he was not a hysterical situation, he was watching fox news. the staff were trying to get information and find out what was going on. they didn't hatch a strategy on the plane, there were phone calls that he left to his own devices he was talking to his
lawyers but i don't have verification on that. towards the end of the trip it became clear that he was going to attack michael cohen's credibility. b he was going to make the argument that he was my lawyer and he was going to minimize the violation itself which is what we have seen today. >> they think this is the avenue to go after trump. as it has been discussed is not an open and shut case at all. has said these nondisclosure agreements that he arranged are actually illegal campaign contributions. there is a lot of reason to suspect that will be a much more difficult case to implicate trump. you can look at an analogous situation with john edwards where the government tried to say a donor giving money to his mistress was an illegal campaign
contribution. the government failed to make a case, the jury acquitted him on one count and hung on the rest and they declined to pursue it any further. that was about someone else's contribution, this is about his own contribution and it would be a difficult thing to convince people that this is a serious crime if a crime at all. the idea that people would run quickly to impeachment is somewhat interesting. >> bret: other legal experts look at it and its timing to the election, its implication possibly on the election just days before the election and how much impact that would have had. not as much a campaign violation as a conspiracy to influence the election is how others have talked about it. what about the political fallout on the hill after yesterday which was clearly explosive for the president for the g.o.p.? >> i don't think anyone is worried about the violations and what he said to the judge, that
is going to rise to a high crime or misdemeanor and lead to impeachment. the new concerns that axios is reporting and the concerns among congressional republicans about michael cohen has nothing to do with these payments. it has to do with the fact he could be a big source of unwelcome surprises. trying to set up a tower or hotel in moscow. the fact that the chief financial officer has had to speak to investigators in the state of new york overpayments to michael cohen. all kinds of exposure in terms of financial dealings come with this but also michael cohen could implicate others like john jr. the report is the president is concerned about don jr. mumbled collusion is still collusion. he was trying to work with officials from the uae and saudi government as well as the trump tower meeting to welcome
the help of foreign actors and that's with the president is concerned about. >> bret: when you look at these two figures, the thought is that he's going to put the squeeze on them and end up with the golden egg. >> i don't think there's any question the democrats are going to move to impeach donald trump after the election, i don't think the facts matter. i think we already have enough to form the baseness of impeachment, i think every new fact would be something they add to it. we have between 50 and 60 house democrats saying they want to impeach the president, it's not going to take much after the midterm election for that number to get to 200. you still run into the senate where i can't imagine a scenario that mueller produces in his report unless it's trump's hotline to and vladimir every morning that would convince
enough republicans to impeach. it's an academic conversation and it could end up rebounding to trump's advantage. >> there are people left out of this conversation. you have people who wanted to get rid of donald trump as president since the moment he won election and people who chose to vote for him because he said they would advance their agenda. that latter group is extremely happy, pleasantly surprised with how well things have gone. the first group it doesn't matter what the details are they just want to get rid of him by hook or by crook. the fact that people can see this that we live in a swamp where if you have the right connections you get away with crimes and if you don't, they will go after anybody, anyway, anyhow whatever it takes to get rid of the president is a credibility problem for these institutions that are supposed to practice rule of law. >> bret: last thing there was a democratic talking point in the morning that brett kavanaugh should not go forward in the nomination hearing for supreme court. late in the afternoon it seemed to fall away. mark warner said we should move
forward, and then we have a statement just before the show. i am not going to delay judge kavanaugh's confirmation hearing, there is clear precedent for pointing the other way. president clinton was under investigation for much of his presidency and impeached for committing perjury by the senate didn't stop confirming his lifetime appointments to the bench. president trump is not even close to being in the same legal situation is president clinton. it seems like this train is moving and buying something big, he's getting through. >> there's a lot of conflict within the democratic party on how to deal with cavanaugh, mr. long hill to die on. they have an unchecked corruption argument to make trying to stop brett kavanaugh is probably a mistake. >> bret: the economic crisis in venezuela, and new evidence of political meddling by russia and iran, will be back.
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continues to stand with the people of venezuela and we are going to keep all options on the table. >> bret: sarah sanders talking about the venezuela, the situation is dire not just for this earthquake that wasn't as bad but the economic situation really in recession for the last four years. inflation reaching one million percent by the end of the year. the president has been doubling every 26 days, the oil dropped to a 30-year low and as of june an estimated 2.3 million venezuelans have fled the country. it's a mess. >> as milton friedman has said, inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon, it only exists because of income government it government meddling. it has led to this horrific man-made humanitarian crisis in venezuela, it is a horrific
situation and it is one that didn't need to happen, this is one of the wealthiest countries in latin america and so many people live under the poverty line. two-thirds of the country have lost an average of 25 pounds in the previous year and it's something that we should be paying more attention to it for no other reason than it's happening in our hemisphere. >> bret: president trump so there might be some kind of military effort inside of venezuela, remember that? he was talked out of it. there is a concern about a country that is just spiraling in our hemisphere and what we do. >> we know it's headed in a downward direction but we don't know where the end is but president maduro is calling the new currency and magic formula. already reporting on the ground has people saying the government is trying to do price caps, this is not going to buy me food -- this is escalating, mollie is
right, they are literally starving. the government can provide water, it's unbelievable. it's a very tough call for a country like ours what kind of intervention is appropriate. >> the risk here is that venezuela becomes syria of latin america. >> bret: a failed state. >> a failed state with millions of refugees leaving, scurrying across the border, destabilizing the region. we have the luxury of not being anywhere near syria but this is a lot closer to home. >> bret: we bring it back to politics, democratic socialists gaining favor into the democratic party, there have been a lot of questions about venezuela to some of the candidates. obviously a socialist regime that is not doing too well. >> i saw an interview with bernie sanders where the host said they would like to ask a bunch of questions about how to pay for some of his socialist policies but they ran out of time.
socialism is not something that causes no problems. when you centralize control of the means of production, you have this type of lack of response to price controls, venezuela has so much, so many natural resources. they should not be in this situation. it is the result of their socialist policies. polls are showing people are becoming more attracted to socialism in this country, this is something we shouldn't have to learn again. there is a reason why markets help people flourish and help lead to longer, happier, healthier lives. the one i didn't have time because the panel was cut short but there's a lot of concern about this cyber attack but not just russia but iran. facebook and twitter both pointing towards iran. >> the question is what took them so long. watching the success of the russians in 2016 and there has not been an adequate robust response and that we are still very vulnerable, all talking all the time about the 2018 elections and beyond let alone the threats to our power grid,
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i don't want to spend a fortune on a virtual reality headset no problem all you need full augmented reality is a reason smartphone and a sense of adventure they are or meant as reality is when the real environment is enhanced through computer generated objects according to the u.s. game developer nyan tick that's the team behind goal they are is about to explode they ended just released results unite which they say uses state of the art a otic the media hype has been huge and the wanda entire group is all the harry potter fans around the world and the trailer looks fit for hollywood. the game developers have promised play is that they will feel like wizards in the east and the high culture world. the pain. the game is to find last magical objects found a bull's eye of a g.p.s.
based location enabled games a map tells players with the founder and point out magical spawns. which since you night is not the couch potatoes expect to walk between 2 and 10 kilometers to get a hold of the important port. once players reach a magical spot their phone camera takes in the real life environment and the object is next generation with the full 360 degree view these incredible characters and creatures in artifacts from the harry potter universe so it's definitely the most advanced they are experience today the 360 degree view didn't really work when i tried it out but it's not that important for visitor night anyway and theory i could even turn off the air which would be good for my phone battery because they are it's up a lot of power to be honest i'd rather stay with the original poker mungo the set
up is pretty much the same you have to walk and swipe for the mongo is still a huge deal and generates a 1000000 euros per day the makers of was a deny hoping that the new baby will be just as successful. as a very high. publishers of wizards united released in 2016 the game was a global hit the app has been downloaded over 800000000 times and has earned 90 over 2000000000 euros and even 3 years after its release come on go continues to be high up in the charts. jurassic world alive has a similar setup switch on the i am no glitz dinosaurs appear in the players' environment this app is also a huge success it was downloaded over 500000 times in may 2019.
game design professor thomas framus says we're still in the early stages of games and the developers are using smart phone tech and famous characters from popular culture to reach as many new potential game as possible. pokémon or this harry potter game are basically multimedia collector card games the collector card model is very old and works well and it's now being expanded to include things from real life. good old called electric carts but of many reality off as completely new possibilities to this old concept almost all you're smart phones i create for a r and there's no need for an extra headset developers help to reach a lot more people this way and tech giants school and apple are working around the clock to develop even better software but how does augmented reality work on a smartphone. cameras senses and g.p.s. tracking units these elements make smart phones ideal for playing location based
gangs the camera takes in an environment which is then analyzed and processed by an . newer smartphones also have special infrared cameras called depth sensors they measure the world basically and thanks to these measurements the phone can locate exactly where it is in a real life environment. so i can move forward or backward or i can turn around. the size of the space is a relevant it can be the whole world like with one of the 1st games to use g.p.s. tracking it incorporates landmarks from the real world to create a virtual game world. or the space can be restricted to a book. like this award winning adventure game. here. becomes interactive the camera recognizes the pages and allows the reader to
decide how the story should continue using expanded reality. it becomes an adventure game depending on what decision the app user makes he or she is forwarded to other pages of the book and experiences the story in a new way. smartphone is constantly being developed and this also makes such sophisticated game related ideas possible take angry birds for example the game 1st came on the scene 10 years ago but now there's an augmented reality version which adds a whole new level to the gaming principle for example i now have to play is the level i want to play in my environment and can then move around it and the perfect spot to launch my attack. microsoft is taking it a step further they bought my craft the world's most successful computer game in september 24th team for over 2000000000 euros. mobile version of the game is coming
soon and it looks seriously cool 2. you can only play minecraft if you switch on the a how function then you need to find a free surface to start building your architectural masterpiece this is your virtual buy supplied because g.p.s. technology is not yet quite sophisticated enough to help design buildings to be exact millimeter microsoft has combined different technologies. one of them is tracking which can help locate free surfaces with the latest a r functions a smart phones camera can identify feature points the idea game in this case the machines can even spill over to beyond the table so to speak. the minecraft earth tracking combines with mapping so that single objects can be identified the system can recognize a time. points then a complex 3 d.
point cloud is created and uploaded to an open source client system the app uses the information to find its way in the real world and all gamers are able to see the. gamers can work together to create i could textual masterpieces but at the same time they are also in directly working for microsoft for free it's no secret that microsoft google and co collect as much location data as they can through my phone so long as i don't opt out the data collected from microsoft earth is going straight into microsoft's cloud system and is helping create a super precise 3 d. model of the earth this trouble's privacy advocates now microsoft insists that no photos of the gaming environment will end up online only low resolution point clouts but what about if i play minecraft at home will my apartment then be scanned
and upload it as a point klout. what's clear is that in they are kompany on money from personal data as well but that's not their only source of revenue. companies that make free to play games such as my 10 o'clock she forever and plenty of money from pitches and 2017 worldwide pitches revenues reached incredible 33. players don't have to find anything but then they will have to be more patient. there's a system of time mechanisms. if i don't want to wait to carry on playing then i have to buy gold or diamonds etc so that i can start playing again faster. and of course there is the time. mentored reality google maps not only helps users find their way but also makes shopping suggestions. this is how burn ins adlon hotel receipts unite the
placement is a little less in your face. you can sell a location so to speak. the company will say if you give us money we'll put something great in front of your business so that many users will go there are no more likely to stop by it's a classic advertising trick which doesn't seem like advertising the. one thing i'm especially excited about the play our games but the necessary tech isn't quite there yet the problem usually is lacking bandwidth rate because there can't be any leg between different devices playoffs are using otherwise my opponent won't know that i just got it. this works better for fast 5 g. networks but this new mobile network stand that is not yet widespread hopefully we won't have to wait too long for 5 deep and in the meantime steadily improving for
instance when it comes to tracking and locating position and polls orientation. we almost used to be that they are always had to have a kind of marker this 2nd generation like pokémon for example recognize the ground and could say our position something there. but this new generation can recognize 3 dimensional objects and move around or enhance them you have these. colleges developed an objects in their regional context in this case an excavation site in aleppo syria users can move around in a space and assume the objects bring in the historical site on the. mobile log manager reality is really exciting and better cameras are making it possible manufacturers investing into depth sensors more and more the senses can recognize distance which in turn allows
a mad reality apps to locate their position and pose in a given space smartphones have inadvertently become the dream devices of ai created us because uses don't need to buy any additional equipment to immerse themselves in augmented reality and of course the more people check out ai games the more valuable data developers have access to so it's no wonder that game developers are lashing onto already popular characters of pop culture such as harry potter which brings us back where we started what do you think about augmented reality which games do you like in particular let us know on you tube facebook on d w dot com all the best for now phil next that.
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