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Operations had not defied white house justice department and cia orders towards those videotapes. thats why michael hayden had to go to the hill and say, lets give you these transcripts of the interrogations and see if you can recreate the fact that those tapes exist. >> david ignacious earlier we spoke with the former cia director michael hayden. you were there. i want to show you this part when we asked him about the discrepancy about his past testimony and there are many. i have a list of at ...

Laden. you need to be agnostic. what this report has done is gone back and seen if you can find the pieces of information some other way and then said, aha, it was available from another channel. that is sort of looking at this history through hindsight t. question is whether its really fair for the people doing it. >> there is criticism that this could create more problems to release it all. we will get to that, table that in a second, michael, well go to you. the question i have is how damming...

Cetera. there are some quotes that have appeared in which senator fine stein seems to be important, do it right. these are things we wouldnt want to do. but the country is in a crisis. thats what many people are quoted at the time having told cia briefers that came to see them. its important what life felt like for all of us in 2002, 2003. so, you know, its typically the case that congress wants this, its delling with oversight, looks at every question except congresss own role. >> yes. >> they ...

Program i was telling them about was because this agency had performed so badly with what i think david ignacious described earlier was an ad hock battlefield program that they had begun in afghanistan and, mica, the committees had the ig reports on the two deaths. they had the ig reports of the activities earlier in the program. everyone knew that the program i was briefing was created as a result of how badly the agency had begun to do the work early on in the war. >> david ignacious, you know...

Another way to minimize the impact? she did not allow the people name in this damming investigation to defend themselves. i think thats one of the weak pieces if journalism, you do have a responsibility to say, what do you think, joe? worry saying its about you. whats your response? so this is not a document that and his torian would write. at last contest, what people were living through as they did these things, what was going on around them not made really clear. >> that said, for what it is,...

Have thomas roberts with us as well, chuck, lets go big pick. what are we looking at here? david ignacious talks about a moral choice to have our country. i dont think we have a choice, this is one issue. do which everybody get one? it seems like lawmakers who are shocked today might have known about a lot of what was going on. are we looking at war crimes? torture? possible prosecution? >> thats my next question. its not a question for dianne feinstein, do you want the justice to look into this...

Pakistan and theyre driving around an al qaeda site and they look at the profile or the signature of a terrorist, ten they can be telling you without knowing exactly who they are or what theyve done. >> nevada? >> from nevada. it is a program cloakled in secrecy, a program where we dont know a lot of details about it. a program where there is claims its totally perfect and totally effective. we dont know how effective it is, but its a program. if in four years or three years, we have a few way o...

The well. the case offer thinks he has a social contract. not with the administration, but with the nation. when things like this happen, david ignacious made reference to this, when things leak this happens, the cia case officer happens, nobody thinks, they got my back. at some point in the future, were going to need these officers to do something or we will go to these officer and say, well, what can you do? that young kid in the back row after having watch this go on, he will be a little relu...

I could -- sexual abecause but also injuries and death. in this report, there appears to be far more injuries than you indicated in your testimony and there were at least two deaths. so i go es the question is, sir who is telling the truth? >> well, i was telling the truth. i was describing the program that was in existence at the time i viewed the testimony. the program that had i think at that time 97 people in its custody. the two deaths, although they happened in cia custody were not in the ...

David ignacious, had an interesting, frightening thought experiment he put forward on "morning joe." take a listen. >> i think it is useful to ask the reverse question. suppose he hadnt been released and it is a year from now. and american troops are getting ready to come home. you have this american sitting there in, ever more frequent propaganda videos from the tal -- taliban, the pressure on the president to act would be enormous. think about the alternative. >> michael, that was tuesday. isn...