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philadelphia prosecutors agree and say all three former detectives charged today lied under oath about the case, including in devlin s testimony during that deposition a lawyer for devlin telling nbc news marty devlin spent 50 years of his life fighting for justice for victims of crime and that these good men are innocent of all charges. detective devlin worked several cases where false statements sent innocent people to prison. you can see more about this i ll be there for a special dateline at 10:00 eastern tonight. up next, new uncertainty about travel how to protect your trip

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police posted a composite sketch throughout northeast philadelphia. we had hundreds and hundreds of tips. we worked a lot of hours on it. a $10,000 reward is being offered for information leading to the arrest of barbara jean horn s murder. but after countless tips and false leads, the case went cold. you always want to do the best for her and her family, and resolve it as quickly as possible. but unfortunately we didn t. four years would pass before barbara jean s case was reopened by a special investigations unit led by veteran detective marty devlin. detective devlin is this big hot shot philadelphia homicide detective. he s the hardest working guy. he never lets a case go. devlin and his partner began reinterviewing the fahy s neighborhood including a 27-year-old truckdriver named walter ogrod who lived across

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the street. according to detective devlin they start questioning him, and at that point he bursts into tears. for the next two hours and 45 minutes he confesses this entire thing, and it comes out to be a 16-page confession. they called and they said that they arrested somebody for the murder, and i said who was it, and they said walter ogrod. it was just the best news i could have ever heard that they found her killer. walter ogrod would face the death penalty. as long as he s not given the opportunity to hurt another child and do what he did to our family to another family, i really don t care what happens to walter ogrod. but tom would soon discover that despite walter s confession, walter s jury had been convinced of his innocence. when you start looking into it, it gets very difficult to work out how walter ogrod could

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the way we were trained. most of the interrogation schools out there teach the same approach, which is some form of the reed technique, what the reed technique does is it takes psychological manipulation and persuasion to convince the suspect that there s no doubt as to their guilt, that they re done, and the only way that they can receive any sort of help is by confessing. in looking at walter s case, it was like an oh, my god. i just threw my hands up. there was a lot of evidence of problematic interrogation tactics. like i testified, devlin was the one who was doing a lot of writing, a lot of questioning to ask me what have i heard about what happened. once i got up to go out the door, they shut the door on me, and devlin told me, you re not going anywheres because we believe you killed the girl, and you re blocking the memory and we re going to help you remember it. devlin kept on telling me that i

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did it. they kept on putting the pictures of the child s body in my face. they said look what you did, all the blood when you hit her. i kept on denying it. i didn t do it. according to walter they not only fed him the story about the murder, but detectives lied to walter. devlin said you bring her right into your house. they said you killed this girl, you killed this girl over and over repeatedly. it s repetitive and it s overwhelming to be in that situation where you feel so trapped and you feel like these guys have all the cards, have all the evidence. all of that work to manipulate him to make him doubt his memory to the point where he felt that, well, maybe i did do something. and then when the detectives begin to suggest what he did, he just picks up on it and he runs with their narrative.

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