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The test, that what he says is solid, that this problem that they have, which is simply this. when you alter the code to make changes in a large computer program like this, there is a possibility that each alteration could open new security vulnerabilities and you have to continually test. they claim they did it in december. the guy has apparently tried to work and hack his way in since then and found that he could, so the problem would seem to be real and persistent. the question is how much co...

Working for what, a month and a half, so theres no comparison. lets see what happens with obamacare. the administration is intent on getting this rolled out, embedded, people sort of dependant on all of these subsidies. 80% of those enrolled have subsidies so in a way it becomes unrepealable and it will risk anything including these open security problems in order to achieve, that so i think that -- that they could be headed, and we wont know until a month or two or three or six months or a year...

True story. >> yeah. >> but the story is going to keep shifting. the narrative is going to keep shifting because as obamacare moves forward, and as it seems to be working better and better, you know, the republicans are going to get more and more desperate over what theyre going to attack. so harry reid is saying, come 2014, this may not be a liability for the democrats. it might be an asset. he might be right. it might not just be spin. >> david corn, dr. corey hebert, great to have you on "the...

These people dont seem to care about their neighbors who dont have insurance. >> doctor hebert, isnt it rather hard to lie on medical records? >> its very hard. its very hard to lie. >> when somebody comes into your office and they are a medicare patient, medicaid patient, either one, i mean, the information in the medical community is pretty tight. doctors would know if there is something fraudulent going on. >> right. and we monitor that closely because of medicaid fraudulent activity that hap...

Medicare opportunity for consumers in their state? you know, these governors that have rejected it? i mean, its going -- isnt it going to be hard for some democrats to really embrace it and others not to? >> well, perhaps. i dont judge my colleagues or potential colleagues in how they do their politics in their states. but ill just go across from cincinnati, look across the river to kentucky. >> sure. >> governor in that state, been on your show before, ed. that governor asked two of the farthes...

The quicker we need into that by telling stories of how this health care law works for a huge swath of citizens, including helping to stabilize health care prices for people who have private insurance coverage that theyre keeping, as most will, theyre going to benefit from it too. so thats going to be increasingly clear. when medicare was introduced in 1965, it was very controversial. social security came in, it was very controversial. a year or two or three years later, people look back and say...

Pope. >> the pope responds. he says the marxist ideology is wrong. >> right wingers continue their attack on pope francis. >> he literally went after, quote, trickle-down. >> the pope is ripping america. the pope ripping capitalism. they are recognizing this guy as man of the year for one reason. he did a big hit on capitalism. >> i as a catholic agree with rush that the pope sounds like he is against capitalism. >> they name him man of the year because he attacks capitalism and ticks me off. >>...

>> although, david, he refers to it as community organizing. >> exactly. and, you know what, ill tell you what. there is nothing really wrong with organizing a community to make sure their community constituents get affordable health care. >> the bottom line is, they do this, so that people can get health care. thats why theyre doing it. theyre not organizing people to vote or to -- for political partisan activities. its like there are people out there in the community, they may not have compute...

Right, not a privilege. >> how much of a liability do you think this will be for democrats in the november 2014 mid terms? >> i think its going to be good for them. i think were in pretty good shape. >> the democrats stand tall in support of the affordable care act. >> dont let -- >> dont let -- >> dont let insurance companies do whatever they want. >> joining us tonight, senator sherrod brown of ohio. >> good to be back. >> give us insight. what is the obamacare offense for 2014? >> well, the o...

Angela mcglowan is a fox news political analyst. why would they blame republicans, angela? >> first of all, jon, there is a war on obamacare and it is the republicans especially the tea party on the right that is carrying that message but however i believe the tea party in the house an boehner have listened to some of the more moderates in the republican party. that in fourth four, if there is a government shutdown, then republicans will be blamed. having said that now, there is a two-prong stra...