challenge. but we are going to win this election because we have a better plan for future, we re getting results for people and we ll tell them what we re doing. what have you learned from the 29 members that have admitted to you they re not running again? in many cases you were trying to recruit them to run again, and some of them are waiting for new maps and things like this. i m curious, what have you taken away from your version of exit interviews as you ve tried to convince these folks to run again and they haven t, is there any sort of unified message you re hearing from these conversations? there are a couple thing, and i ll be very candid with you. congress is difficult on human beings right now and it s hard on their families. i don t think i need to go into the reasons why. but redistricting is overriding most considerations for folks. you change someone s district and even if they can win it, it s a moment when you reflect on whether you want to continue
interviews that people complained of how nick talked to them. except the way nick talked to them was kind of what nick was being paid for. correct. which was, let s go. get the job done and get it done on time and on budget. he was brought in to sort of be the hammer. exactly right. but when you re hired to be a hammer, sometimes everything and everyone starts looking like a nail. feels to me like maybe there are a lot of people you might want to be talking to at the office. yes. the list was very long. a lot of them had petty grievances, like a safety inspector named james lapan. it s just we never got along is the thing. lapan told investigators nick had given him a hard time for parking his car in a restricted area and had accused him of using a personal tablet computer during working hours. anybody you know that wants to kick his ass? kick his ass? no. reporter: maybe not over a
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