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Violation. >> the lying is my concern. if its not a crime, i dont know why hes lying about it. i dont think thats a slur. i dont think it is an an opinion -- >> this is the first time youve seen a politician lie? >> irrelevant, its irrelevant. >> the point youre rieg to make is equate lying the equivalent of making a false statement under oath or perjury, which its not. is there any evidence that the president has perjured himself or made a false statement under oath? >> not that i know of. >> s...

Mom. ♪ plenty to debate. lets bring in van jones and amy cremor. thank you for your patients both of you. >> thank you. >> amy, let me ask you something. maybe im not making this clear. im not making a case against the president of the united states. robert ray, neal katyal, theyre so much smarter than ill ever be. for me its not about the criminality. its about telling the truth to the american people. maybe its not a crime paying money to these women. why did he lie in >> how do you know t...

House. >> no, your job is to -- but you, come on, you can test me, but you have to be honest about the way you do it. >> i really think i am, i think im pretty transparent. >> youre assigning -- yes, i cant deny that, you are very transparent. but you look at that -- >> you mean that as a pejorative. but i mean it in terms -- i know you mean it as an insult. >> no. >> i dont take shots at you or the president. >> im just talking about what is. >> you called the president tonight a slur that i am...

Rid of a nuisance. sometimes youre trying to save your family from embarrassment. and this -- this is what happened -- >> you can have multiple reasons for doing one of these transactions, you dont have to direct the action to be part of the action. thats just the law. and it -- >> youre not giving credence to those. i want to know, why, why these folks should be paid -- >> its just about the truth, thats all. >> you are, though. you dont want to hear from the defense many. >> thats not true, im...

Me with legal advice. and until its suggested otherwise, that there was somehow, something improper here. i think the president has a substantial defense to any suggestion -- >> a criminal defense. >> well, sure, look. i mean are -- but chris, its not just a criminal defense, its in connection with any notion that there might be an impeachable offense here, which i think is ridiculous. >> lets bring neal in on this. >> time will tell. >> impeachable is very different. impeachable is what the peo...

Lets be fair. you have federal election commissioners, former ones, people who are election law experts saying that just because people who said they -- that they were asked to commit a crime here, theres not a crime. one guy said today that michael cohen pled guilty to something thats not a crime. his whole point in that article that people should read is that if you, for example, if you were going to do something anyway, irrespective of you being a federal candidate for office, its not a campa...

Let me bounce this over to mr. ray, ive leaned on you plenty, during this process, for your accumin, counselor ray, and its good to ask you here once again. im not making this about whether or not the president is guilty of a crime. neil makes compelling arguments on that regard. im just talking about the lying. the idea that we dont know that the president wasnt telling the truth about what he knew and what his role was with his payments is absurd. im not saying that makes him guilty of a crime...

That i remember that used to get on my dag gone nerves preaching and moralizing to everybody and telling us that we had a president in bill clinton who was hurting children and who was hurting the country. those very same people are the same ones out here now spinning and spinning and spinning. this is why ordinary regular people just look at all this political stuff and they throw their hands up. it is bad for the country. its not just bad for the country for the president to do this. but the r...

Trump is trying to help him out for years to his own risk. >> christopher, in august of 2015, what are you saying happened that didnt happen in august of 2016 that i wasnt made -- just like russia collusion, i never talked -- >> all im saying is, he knew what was happening with the women. he was aware of it. he helped hatch the plan -- >> so wheres your nexus? wheres your nexus? >> no. thank you for saying that. >> cnn is on no solid ground to show a nexus. no, no, this is important. under your ...