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Secretary of state, raffensperger is an example of a key witness who has refused to cooperate without a subpoena issued by the grand jury. she attach a transcript of the -- to the letter. >> joining me now is michael j. more, former u.s. attorney general to -- for atlanta. and eugene thompson -- and eugene robinson is for the washington post, an msnbc political analyst. give us your reaction to the totality of what we have learned today about this request for a grand jury. and if you will addres...

The intent. was there criminal intent? and i think that is the perry mason moment. if he says no, all i really want to do is for you to find me enough votes that i win. that is not anything other than criminal intent. in my view, i doubt a grand jury will look at it differently. the, a special grand jury cannot and itself hand out an indictment. can hand out a subpoena, file testimony, that sort of thing. i just cant imagine how you could decide that there is not something wrong with that. >> mi...

Mike pence is a good man. i know. the books in that scene appear in quotation marks. a general of bob woodwards books has been, that words appear in their participated in the conversation or was president when those words were said. but for the ones that you, you are usually hearing from someone who spoke those words or heard those words. keith kellogg is a cooperating witness of the january six committee. he responded to their subpoena without hesitation. it appears possible, even likely, that ...

Told them in october. that the criminal investigation of donald trumps interview periods in the vote count. >> if she wants to interview me, there is a process for that and i will gladly participate because i want to make sure i follow the law, follow the process q xin, and -- >> well, he is going to get a grand jury summons now. she sent a judge -- requesting a special grand jury because she has filed, a reasonable probability, that the state and georgias administration of electors in 2020 for ...

Important, what the president did not do. so we hope again that she will do her civil duty, but if she does not we will have to figure out what the next steps are. >> in court, subpoenaing witnesses sometimes with their -- while the trial continues, they are still in effect under subpoena so they could be called back. is that the way that these subpoenas work in this -- the fact that kyiv color responded this to -- for private under oath testimony. does that mean that you can call him back under...