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Secretary of state, raffensperger is an example of a key witness who has refused to cooperate without a subpoena issued by the grand jury. she attach a transcript of the -- to the letter. >> joining me now is michael j. more, former u.s. attorney general to -- for atlanta. and eugene thompson -- and eugene robinson is for the washington post, an msnbc political analyst. give us your reaction to the totality of what we have learned today about this request for a grand jury. and if you will addres...

The intent. was there criminal intent? and i think that is the perry mason moment. if he says no, all i really want to do is for you to find me enough votes that i win. that is not anything other than criminal intent. in my view, i doubt a grand jury will look at it differently. the, a special grand jury cannot and itself hand out an indictment. can hand out a subpoena, file testimony, that sort of thing. i just cant imagine how you could decide that there is not something wrong with that. >> mi...

Involved in the telephone call, the scheduling, or other people who have made call to the states officials as well. but, i do think that theres a way to move the case a great deal more quickly. and with some efficiency that might help as well. >> michael j. more, former u.s. attorney for the middle district of georgia, amanda knows of what he speaks with that kind of experience. sir, thank you very much for your time and perspective thank, we appreciate. a >> great pleasure, thank. you >> we got...

It will be supervised in its work by a superior court judge, who himself is a former prosecutor in the fall to the county, das gauffs, hes also a -- in in the northern district of georgia. several people who have been sought by investigators as potential witnesses in that criminal investigation have reportedly said theyre not going to testify without a subpoena to do so. well now, the courts have approved a special grand jury that will be empowered to hand down those subpoenas. here we go. joini...

Deal more quickly. and with some efficiency that might help as well. >> michael j. more, former u. s. attorney for the middle district of georgia, amanda knows of what he speaks with that kind of experience. sir, thank you very much for your time and perspective, we appreciate it. >> its been a great pleasure, thank you. >> all right, we got much more ahead tonight, stay with us. oh dad, the twins are now... ...vegan. i know, i got em some of those plant burgers. - nice! - yeah. voya provides gu...