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But i think what were seeing, in fact, is more people come forward. now we have a second whistle-blower with firsthand experience of what happened, corroborating exactly whats already out there, and indeed president trumps own transcript corroborates exactly whats in the whistle-blowers statement. so i actually think, anderson, that we have enough patriots still working in this government all throughout the agencies who have to be deeply disturbed about this. >> when you hear the president sayin...

They have been critical of what the president has done to the kurds, the betrayal of the kurds. im not sure if thats part of his calculus that he doesnt like what lindsey graham is going around saying, and thats part of this. >> yeah. listen, i -- >> its also true -- >> sorry. go ahead, joe. >> i think theres been a little bit of a trickle and i think that worries the president and his team. youve seen senator collins, senator portman, senator sasse say things like, you know, the president shoul...

Interference in the 2016 election? president trump wants to get to the truth. he wants to know what happened in 2016. and the american people have a right to know. >> reporter: but the president himself said he asked aer foen government to investigate his political rivals. so is that okay with you? >> i dont believe thats the case. >> he said it. the president said that. >> thats how adam schiff characterized it. the american people should read the transcript and they will see that the president...

Believe president trump asked ukrain to investigate. joe biden his political rival. we all know that isnt true because the president had said that. we have seen it in a transcript that white house released to the public and the president doubled down on the white house lawn. we heard that in your introduction. so for some reason vice president pence will not accept that no matter how many times i tried to tell him that. >> he can read. i cant imagine he doesnt can know the facts. i mean he lukes...

Of nonanswerers. before we show you the exchange with randy, there are two pieces of sound you need to hear. the first is what vice president mike pence said about whether foritners should interfere in american elections. >> now you all need know throughout this is basic stuff. foreign donors and certainly foritten governments cannot participate in the american political process. >> wow, okay. basic stuff, he said. gall galley gee, seems simple. heres from the president less than a week ago on t...

You had a chance to ask the vice president about this. how did all that go? >> reporter: it was interesting to say the least. we started by asking about the 2016 comments that you just played about a foreign government weighing in on the american political process and he sort of took a turn from there. heres a look. mr. vice president, during the campaign 2016 you said that foreign governments cannot participate in the american political process. do you still stand by that today? >> i do. i thin...

Line. he is worried about disloyal senators, something hes already started tweeting about in recent days. he said that some senators are not being loyal enough and they should be holding the line. now, this is something that mcconnell is going to have to be dealing with for the long term obviously. he wants to make sure senators who are going to be the jurors should nancy pelosi and the democrats impeach the president, hes going to need those people to hold the line. and the president is increas...

Obstruction charges or at least compounding the things hes already said? >> he is compounding it. what hes doing essentially is giving more ammunition to say that he is going to engage in obstruction of congress essentially. the president saying im the law and order president, and one of the roles of the president of the united states is to faithfully execute the laws. if hes taking a position and saying, look, im not even going to comply with a subpoena at this juncture, where we are right now,...

This is a time when issues facing the country are so grave that a person who wants to be president or a person who is president needs to go before the country occasionally with a very thoughtful speech, trying to help us understand the gravity of what were going through, how it has to be done with great respect for traditions, needs to have a bipartisan quality and, in effect, be presidential. you know, those big speeches, thats what ive been missing in this campaign. give us -- stand up there f...

And he said, we -- where is it here? okay. this story, based on a single anonymous source, is categorically false. leader mcconnell never said anything like this. theyre disputing mitch mcconnell has told fellow republicans about some of his interactions with the president. and you can understand why. the president and mitch mcconnell have forged a very tight relationship in the past year. for so long the president was criticizing establishment figures like mitch mcconnell. he needs mitch mcconn...