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William barr knew about the whistle-blower allegations more than a week before the formal referral, and now there are questions about possible witness intimidation. listen to the president describe people speaking to the whistle-blower as treasonous and there seems to be an implication here that he thinks maybe they should be executed. >> i want to know, whos the person that gave -- the whistle-blower. whos the person that gave the whistle-blower the information? because thats close to a spy. yo...

The president claims its because he was unhappy that the europeans werent doing enough. but theres a lot of implication out there that he was unhappy because the ukrainians were not doing more to investigate joe biden. the person who ought to know that would be kurt volcker. if he is willing to testify, i think it could be really important to supposing what actually went down over the last several months inside the white house. >> i assume adam schiff and other democrats on the house intelligenc...

Animals. he made a very curious and troubling remark about how the whistle-blower and the people that had talked to the whistle-blower compared them to spies, compared with what they were doing to treason and talked about how we used to handle people -- still do, people that have committed treason with execution. so this seems to have gotten under the presidents skin and perhaps to be worrying him more than almost any other situation hes been involved in that i can remember. >> shepard: is there...

I think its really important that we dont get caught up in trumps fairy tale and that we dont let him divert attention away from the real source of the problem, and that is an extreme abuse of presidential power. >> thank you both. joining me more on the implication of the whistle-blower complaint jamie rasskin of maryland and someone whos been thinking a utlaabout impeachment and the constitutional duty. in the context of high crimes and misdemeanors, i want you to respond to people who say, we...

The office of odni thought, first of all, that the whistle-blower was credible, that he did everything rip and appropriate, that he totally said to us he didnt think he was a political hacker. i think its really important that we dont get caught up in trumps fairy tale and that we dont let him divert attention away from the real source of the problem, and that is an extreme abuse of presidential power. >> congressman denny heck, congresswoman terry sewell. thank you both. joining me more on the ...

>> hold on. ill give you that. hold on one second. he wanted it. ukraine parliament wanted it. u.n. wanted it. the eu wanted it. other western democracies wanted it. they all wanted shokin out. now, why would joe biden want him out? ill give you two reasons. one is because thats what he was told to do by the u.s. government. he was made the point person on ukraine. second, its what ukraine wanted, and they wanted u.s. help with it. the implication is he did it to help his son. help me with this,...

To you. there was no -- >> director, i wish i had the confidence of knowing that but for this hearing, but for the deadline that we were forced to set with this hearing, that we would have been provided that complaint. but i dont know that we would have ever seen that complaint. dr. winsterp. >> thank you, mr. chairman. its a shame that we started off this hearing with a fictional remarks, the implication of a conversation that took place between a president and a foreign leader putting words in...

Why would joe biden want him out? two reasonsone is because thats what he was told to do by the u.s. government. he was made the point person on ukraine. second, its what ukraine did. the implication is he did it to help his son. >> implication, was the prosecutor involved in the prosecution looking at the sons business? yes. >> did hunter biden work for the business when shokin was looking at it? when he started the investigation, was hunter biden working for the company? >> but it was an ongoi...

You know, someones nothing burger is another lines word for impeachment. what does it take to be a quid pro quo? i touched with you on this. can you sum that up? >> sure. lets take it from the top. first of all, depends on the crime. if youre talking about federal election fraud, quid pro quo is not required. 52 usc 301-52 says all you have to do is ask a foreign national for something of value in connection with the election. no quid pro quo. thats all it takes. on the other hand if youre looki...

Everything the committees are asking for. this president is providing, its transparent. i dont see anything else in there. when i read the transcript or complaint, what i found is theres an implication is there may have been a whole host of other things on there. so that wouldnt be unnecessarily unusual. >> shepard: congressman, the democrats are claiming the following. that the rules in place to protect the president, classification of phone calls and the rest, were used instead to cover up evi...