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testimony to special counsel jack smith as his probe into january 6th zooms ahead. exclusive reporting from nbc newss julia ainsley says this, quote, about half a dozen secret service agents have testified before the grand jury that will decide whether or not to indict former president donald trump for his alleged role in the january 6th 2021 riot at the capitol, and efforts to interfere in the peaceful transfer of the presidency. thats according to two sources familiar with their test...

witnesses who said they were pressured by people close to the ex-president to, quote, do the right thing, be loyal to donald trump, reminding them trump would be paying close to attention to their words. the committee suggests it has many other examples of witness tampering, which is of course a very serious crime. is that what is happening here? and will the doj be looking into this? >> they believe they could affect testimony of witnesses before the committee. oits a very serious iss...

understand about january 6th and the conspiracy, the plan to carry out a coup. the hearing centered around the explosive testimony of a single witness, 25-year-old cassidy hutchinson. shes a trump white house aide who did what so many of her colleagues and her bosses, including her direct boss, chief of staff mark meadow have so far refused to do. she told the truth. she cooperated with the panel having sat for four taped interviews before todays testimony. this afternoon in public she...

four-times indicted ex-president. nbc news is reporting on potentially game-changing revelation base the former vice president, mike pence. well have more on what pence told special counsel jack smiths investigators later this hour. but first, we want to get to the fast-moving developments out of the middle east. at this hour, we are getting our first glimpse of the latest hostages to be released. here are some of the faces of the 12 prisoners released by hamas today, 10 israelis and 2...

Evidence of his intent to obstruct an official proceeding, harry. >> i actually think its more. i think the let my people go through the mag no, maam ters is strong evidence of his state of mind. the more he is screaming at the secret service, the more we know he has planned to go to the capitol, and the more we know he has planned to go to the capitol, the more he looks like a participant in a conspiracy to engage in insurrection, the very charge that people have already been convicted of that ...

Could be allowed to come up here with us. is that possible? can you just let them come up, please? >> so, there is all this talk of mag no, maam teres and him saying he didnt want them to be used according to this testimony by cassidy hutchinson. what do you make of that? is that something that could be used by the committee and look at what he said and what she said and try to match it up? >> absolutely. i think the key point to that from a prosecutors viewpoint is the idea he knows there are a...

I.e., theyre not here to hurt donald trump, take down the mag no, maam ters, throw out all sense of security and protocols, safety that are involved in these types of events and bring these people in and then they can just march from here to the capitol. it just shows knowledge ahead of the plan at which we also talked about length in todays hearing about how he himself wanted to go to the capitol, which we clearly were aware of those intimidations before, but just the level of effort that he to...

10, 12%? i think thats a lesson for members, because as people watch, whether its on c-span or its excerpts that we run or other news organizations run. members of congress are role models and should be role models. >> as is the president. >> as is the. >> just to understand do we know why -- obviously, that was a meaningful and good message he just sent but why he wasnt here? >> it was a security issue. they said it was a security issue. secret service couldnt come here. >> i think youre going ...

Bad intent in a crowd? >> reporter: well, craig, you know, everyone that is involved in this security effort is well briefed on how unpredictable the pope can be and tried to do is get a better sense of the crowd itself by setting up these parameters. not just anybody to walk up and be along the open processions to see the pope and take pictures of him and a position to potentially even touch him. they have to go through mag no, maam tmag mono, maam ters ande of the things to make the security c...

Death penalty and the prosecution has to show shes a awful, cant be rerehabilitated person. the defense says shes pit pitiful and is worst saving, thats mitigating. we have to get past the verdict on guilt or innocence. >> neil: that only comes with first-degree murder. the death thing comes up in a separate thing. >> a second proceeding. >> neil: what happened with this case, if i could step back and get your help? i remember when it started. but then i remember how quickly it also cascaded int...