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Well see. >> hans, tell me -- >> thats all i do is flub it. you still come back. its amazing. >> whats the attitude over at the pentagon about general mattis coming in? is there concern about a general coming in or beloved guy? >> great deal of excitement. >> really. >> not just in the marine corps. talk to any of the services in the pentagon theyre excited about mattis. its going to be a 180 degree change. described by a general the other day before the mission its always been about force level...

His size. >> true. >> that was former secretary of defense chuck hagel yesterday. >> ironicay his nickname in congress, the round mound of rebound. >> talking about the syrian civil war and its impact on president obamas legacy. joining us nbc news pentagon correspondent hans nickel. >> hes something very slippery about this guy. >> everybody was talking bad about this guy at the white house, said they were out to get him. >> i dont want to say more. there were multiple conspiracies taking place...