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Is how wonderful it is. i mean, so you explain that to me. i mean, so which is the true michael dell? >> does it every get personal? >> i try -- i really try not to have it that way. in fact, interestingly, i have dinner with a bump of the ceos that we were involved with that thinked we helped them. we get invited back on the board a lot. >> when you go out to dinner, who treats? >> my apartment. i have a good chef. i dont charge them anything. i dont charge them anything. and i mean, i -- i had...

Company is doing well, i will take a pass? >> i think you dont fix a company that is doing well, we dont micromanage, im not going to get into personal situations. i think though that what is reprehensible is that you pay a ceo sometimes 1,000 times what youre paying a worker, 1,000 time what is youre paying a worker and the companys doing terribly and they dont fire him and then when you finally get him out, when you finally get him out, ill talk about, which i dont like to do we are on the boa...

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