what he said was it was not - the record, the highest number of deforestation was not during bolsonaro term. i the highest number of- deforestation was in 2005 — '04, '05 and '06 — - during the liberal party administration. that's what he said. we have another question, which is related, from eric. your question. during the past few years, we saw the dissemination of controversial and aggressive speeches under bolsonaro's government. what can the government do to reduce the spread of fake news and the way hate speech affects society? joao, you mentioned this a bit, but it deserves emphasising. yourjob is a newjob, specifically to do this? yeah, we're triggering actually the debate that is all over the world, is in the us, in europe — and europe just approved a digital services act, which is basically — how can we define a better environment in which this situation of dissemination of fake news is not promoted directly by the business
agency when he didn't like the figures on deforestation, the formerforeign minister described the climate crisis as a marxist conspiracy. it all added up to being very, very dismissive of science, of experts. that's what i think viviane — viviane, that's what you're worried about? yes. yes, what she said. that's... but you contest this, all of what i quoted? yeah. - why that? when you look into| the facts, isolate... but you seem to dismiss the facts, you didn't want research. no, not research, but it was — you just gave an example. - the former president i of the brazilian institute for research, he was not fired because of the numbers. - he was fired because he was leaking information| to the press before presenting officially the information. - but president bolsonaro said — he said when he gave figures for record high levels of deforestation, president bolsonaro said those are lies. no, he didn't say exactly that.
controlleddirectly the budget was controlled directly by the head of congress. so we are not talking about... we have to take out the ghosts of the house. we don't see a big or a small state as a reason for more or less corruption. we think it's separate issues that have tojoin them. just a word — just a quick word. sure. i think that... a big problem? the big problem in brazil that all presidents, even if they win a landslide, are minority presidents in congress. which they didn't. but even in this case, without a landslide, the governing party has only a very small slice of congress, and there's lots of parties, huge number of parties i like to compare with... ohh, dealmaking. so, and there are parties which are, let's say, ideologically flexible, willing to support whoever is in power, but they want something in return. let's go on to the next question. we have one from viviane viani — great name. the bolsonaro government, which had mr salles as one of its ministers, propagated a lot of fake news about science, deforestation, forest fires and climate change.
the science doesn't matter. well, listen, in regard i to the minister meeting at that time, i continue - to have the same position. the fact is that brazil has a lot of bureaucracy, - regulations that should be reduced, rationalised and other things, - and what i said at that ministry was "let's take advantage - on the fact that we can do things . without passing in congress at that time," because at that time, - we had a president of the chamber completely against the government. so, therefore, everything - that we tried to pass in congress were not being approved. yes, but i think viviane�*s — viviane�*s question is different, and it was that if you look at the record, that you cut the funding, the university funding into science and agriculture, research linked to agribusiness, you — president bolsonaro fired the head of the space research agency when he didn't like the figures on deforestation, the formerforeign minister
as a reason for more or less corruption. we think it's separate issues that have tojoin them. just a word — just a quick word. sure. i think that... a big problem? the big problem in brazil that all presidents, even if they win a landslide, are minority presidents in congress. which they didn't. but even in this case, without a landslide, the governing party has only a very small slice of congress, and there's lots of parties, huge number of parties i like to compare with... ohh, dealmaking. so, and there are parties which are, let's say, ideologically flexible, willing to support whoever is in power, but they want something in return. let's go on to the next question. we have one from viviane viani — great name. the bolsonaro government, which had mr salles as one of its ministers, propagated a lot of fake news about science, deforestation, forest fires and climate change. how can we restore brazilians' trust in institutions in the role of science?
during bolsonaro term. i the highest number of- deforestation was in 2005 — '04, i05 and '06 - during the liberall party administration. that's what he said. we have another question, which is related, from eric. your question. during the past few years, we saw the dissemination of controversial and aggressive speeches under bolsonaro's government. what can the government do to reduce the spread of fake news and the way hate speech affects society? joao, you mentioned this a bit, but it deserves emphasising. yourjob is a newjob, specifically to do this? yeah, we're triggering actually the debate that is all over the world, is in the us, in europe — and europe just approved a digital services act, which is basically — how can we define a better environment in which this situation of dissemination of fake news is not promoted directly by the business model of the platforms. and so part of the debate is really
dismissive of science, of experts. that�*s what i think viviane — viviane, that�*s what you�*re worried about? yes. yes, what she said. that's... but you contest this, all of what i quoted? yeah. why that? when you look into| the facts, isolate... but you seem to dismiss the facts, you didn�*t want research. no, not research, but it was — you just gave an example. - the former president i of the brazilian institute for research, he was not fired because of the numbers. - he was fired because he was leaking information to the press before - presenting officially the information. . but president bolsonaro said — he said when he gave figures for record high levels of deforestation, president bolsonaro said those are lies. no, he didn't say exactly that. what he said was it was not - the record, the highest number of deforestation was not during bolsonaro term. i the highest number of- deforestation was in 2005 —
that have tojoin them. just a word — just a quick word. sure. i think that... a big problem? the big problem in brazil that all presidents, even if they win a landslide, are minority presidents in congress. which they didn't. but even in this case, without a landslide, the governing party has only a very small slice of congress, and there's lots of parties, huge number of parties i like to compare with... 0hh, dealmaking. so, and there are parties which are, let's say, ideologically flexible, willing to support whoever is in power, but they want something in return. let's go on to the next question. we have one from viviane viani — great name. the bolsonaro government, which had mr salles as one of its ministers, propagated a lot of fake news about science, deforestation, forest fires and climate change. how can we restore brazilians�* trust in institutions in the role of science? 0k, ricardo, we�*re going to come
described the climate crisis as a marxist conspiracy. it all added up to being very, very dismissive of science, of experts. that's what i think viviane — viviane, that's what you're worried about? yes. yes, what she said. that's... but you contest this, all of what i quoted? yeah. why that? when you look into| the facts, isolate... but you seem to dismiss the facts, you didn't want research. no, not research, but it was — you just gave an example. - the former president i of the brazilian institute for research, he was not fired because of the numbers. - he was fired because he was leaking information to the press before - presenting officially the information. . but president bolsonaro said — he said when he gave figures for record high levels of deforestation, president bolsonaro said those are lies. no, he didn't say exactly that. what he said was it was not - the record, the highest number of deforestation was not
at that time, i continue - to have the same position. the fact is that brazil has a lot of bureaucracy, - regulations that should be reduced, rationalised and other things, - and what i said at that ministry was "let's take advantage - on the fact that we can do things . without passing in congress at that time," because at that time, - we had a president of the chamber on the fact that we can do things . without passing in congress at that time," because at that time, - we had a president of the chamber completely against the government. so, therefore, everything - that we tried to pass in congress were not be approved. yes, but i think viviane�*s — viviane�*s question is different, and it was that if you look at the record, that you cut the funding, the university funding into science and agriculture, research linked to agribusiness, you — president bolsonaro fired the head of the space research agency when he didn�*t like the figures on deforestation, the formerforeign minister described the climate crisis as a marxist conspiracy. it all added up to being very, very