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agency when he didn't like the figures on deforestation, the formerforeign minister described the climate crisis as a marxist conspiracy. it all added up to being very, very dismissive of science, of experts. that's what i think viviane — viviane, that's what you're worried about? yes. yes, what she said. that's... but you contest this, all of what i quoted? yeah. - why that? when you look into| the facts, isolate... but you seem to dismiss the facts, you didn't want research. no, not research, but it was — you just gave an example. - the former president i of the brazilian institute for research, he was not fired because of the numbers. - he was fired because he was leaking information| to the press before presenting officially the information. - but president bolsonaro said — he said when he gave figures for record high levels of deforestation, president bolsonaro said those are lies. no, he didn't say exactly that.
the electoral court was doing its job, there was a lot of fake news about the military�*s supposed role and engaging in this issue... and the january 8 attack in brasilia... crosstalk. ..to some extent, certainly cannot be understood without an environment that's very vulnerable information, environment very vulnerable to fake news, so i certainly think there is a challenge that must be tackled to preserve the positive aspects of democracy, and asjoao said, in a way, it's necessary to do so without stifling free speech. ricardo salles, did you see what happened onjanuary 8, with the attacks on government buildings, as a wake—up call, an alarm bell about the dangers... it was very bad. ..in terms of the disinformation and the hate speech and the kind of things which viviane also mentioned... we are expecting to have i a court — a congress section to investigate that profoundly, and the government is playing| a role against it. i mean, we want to know exactly
that's fine, but we have to dispute on real facts, to dispute on what the science is showing us as the most likely way, good way to go forward. if we don't tackle disinformation, we are actually eroding trust in our institutions, what makes people not relying even in democracy institution, democratic institutions, and so we break up kind of the pact that makes us a society, so that's serious. and viviane�*s question underlines that the former administration does have something to answer for. and if i can say you yourself, ricardo salles, you had to resign in 2021 as the environment minister because you were under investigations for — regarding that you obstructed a police probe into illegal logging, and there was that video, which i'm sure many in the audience — yes, your eyes are going up — they saw that video where you were telling the former administration, "let's exploit the pandemic, "people are preoccupied by it, and we can push "through some environmental
way, good way to go forward. if we don't tackle disinformation, we are actually eroding trust in our institutions, what makes people not relying even in democracy institution, democratic institutions, and so we break up kind of the pact that makes us a society, so that's serious. and viviane�*s question underlines that the former administration does have something to answer for. and if i can say you yourself, ricardo salles, you had to resign in 2021 as the environment minister because you were under investigations for — regarding that you obstructed a police probe into illegal logging, and there was that video, which i'm sure many in the audience — yes, your eyes are going up — they saw that video where you were telling the former administration, "let's exploit the pandemic, people are preoccupied by it, and we can push through some environmental deregulation." it reinforced this idea that, you know, to put it bluntly, "stuff the science" —
dismissive of science, of experts. that�*s what i think viviane — viviane, that�*s what you�*re worried about? yes. yes, what she said. that's... but you contest this, all of what i quoted? yeah. why that? when you look into| the facts, isolate... but you seem to dismiss the facts, you didn�*t want research. no, not research, but it was — you just gave an example. - the former president i of the brazilian institute for research, he was not fired because of the numbers. - he was fired because he was leaking information to the press before - presenting officially the information. . but president bolsonaro said — he said when he gave figures for record high levels of deforestation, president bolsonaro said those are lies. no, he didn't say exactly that. what he said was it was not - the record, the highest number of deforestation was not during bolsonaro term. i the highest number of- deforestation was in 2005 —
role and engaging in this issue... and the january 8 attack in brasilia... crosstalk. ..to some extent, certainly cannot be understood without an environment that�*s very vulnerable information, environment very vulnerable to fake news, so i certainly think there is a challenge that must be tackled to preserve the positive aspects of democracy, and asjoao said, in a way, it�*s necessary to do so without stifling free speech. ricardo salles, did you see what happened onjanuary 8, with the attacks on government buildings, as a wake—up call, an alarm bell about the dangers... it was very bad. ..in terms of the disinformation and the hate speech and the kind of things which viviane also mentioned... we are expecting to have a court — i a congress section to investigatel that profoundly, and the government is playing a role against it. _ i mean, we want to know exactly
the electoral court was doing its job, there was a lot of fake news about the military�*s supposed role and engaging in this issue... and the january 8 attack in brasilia... crosstalk. ..to some extent, certainly cannot be understood without an environment that's very vulnerable information, environment very vulnerable to fake news, so i certainly think there is a challenge that must be tackled to preserve the positive aspects of democracy, and asjoao said, in a way, it's necessary to do so without stifling free speech. ricardo salles, did you see what happened onjanuary 8, with the attacks on government buildings, as a wake—up call, an alarm bell about the dangers... it was very bad. ..in terms of the disinformation and the hate speech and the kind of things which viviane also mentioned... we are expecting to have a court — i a congress section to investigatel that profoundly, and the government