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Impression president trump just wasnt aware of that because we had these tweets from him over the last week in which he suggested that everything was about to be released and as i said, we only got a very small fraction of the secret documents that we were expecting today. >> so what happened, you think? >> what i think, what i think you had a last-minute appeal probably from mike pompeo who because of the national security act is responsible for the protections of sources and methods on the par...

Play the way a usual american president would. >> thats what i want to ask philip about. the idea of the resurgence -- in various conspiracy theories because were livine ing in a t as tim referenced, there are so many other conspiracy theories flying around. i have is to sit here every single night and debunk them. >> well, listen, you know, its a wonderful bit of irony that this whole drama today began 25 years ago when oliver stone produced his conspiracy-filled film, "jfk," which produced suc...

This discussion of the -- of rubys killing of lee harvey oswald includes hoover writing that, you know, hes a hudlum and also a reputed homosexual. i didnt realize he was gay. that doesnt surprise me. hoover saw homosexuals everywhere. and sometimes wasnt unhappy about that, im sure. >> because the word is that he was as well. so, philip, listen -- >> well. >> yeah. the president rolled this out like a cliffhanger. it would be interesting to know -- to know what he knew and what details he knew....

>> why would sources and methods matter so much, tim? i mean, listen, its been decades. why would it matter? >> look, i believe in as much openness as possible and after 50 years, i think you let it all out, but because of the wide net that the assassination records review board put out in the 90s and philip knows all about this, they collected 5 million pages of documents and a lot of them have nothing to do with lee harvey oswald. they have a lot to do with the publics concerns about a series ...

Fraction of the secret documents that we were expecting today. >> so what happened, you think? >> what i think, what i think you had a last-minute appeal probably from mike pompeo who because of the national security act is responsible for the protections of sources and methods on the part of the executive branch. >> philip? >> i think, actually, you know, think about what was supposed to happen today, it was 25 years in the making. the agency of government, the cia and fbi and everybody else ha...

That, you know, hes a hoodlum and also a reputed homosexual. i didnt realize he was gay. that doesnt surprise me. hoover saw homosexuals everywhere. and sometimes wasnt unhappy about that, im sure. >> because the word is that he was as well. so, philip, listen -- >> well. >> yeah. the president rolled this out like a cliffhanger. it would be interesting to know -- to know what he knew and what details he knew. are the files, are they just hyping the release here? >> well, no. i think whats gone ...

Openness as possible and after 50 years, i think you let it all out, but because of the wide net that the assassination records review board put out in the 90s and philip knows all about this, they collected 5 million pages of documents and a lot of them have nothing to do with lee harvey oswald. they have a lot to do with the publics concerns about a series of conspiracy theories that the cubans did it, that the mob did it, that the cia did it, that kennedy wanted to pull out of vietnam and tha...

The cuban embassy about a visa. people are going to think we really messed up there, and we inters int intercepted this letter. and its all listed there. the basis for a cover-up. its a cover-up not because the fbi killed kennedy, but because the fbi screwed up. it reminds me of reading the 9/11 commission report and the two islamists, mentar and hosni who the nsa and cia found, figured out were important and they came to this country and the fbi never followed up on the leads the cia gave them ...

Did was they convinced the review board which was a sober nonpartisan group of people that a lot of these records are not relevant to helping the public understand whether or not lee harvey oswald was part of a conspiracy. the review board in 1998 said were not going to release them but the law said that they would have to be released within 25 years, but they left open the possibility that whoever the incumbent president was, he, or she, could stop it. i think that they were just kicking the ca...