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steps where he gives the press conference, and it is basically another rally speech and we take every word of it. >> i will take an unpopular opinion about justice -- in the new york civil fraud trial. he allowed donald trump to speak, and that was a mistake, i think we should never treat donald trump differently, and i think that he got specialized treatment when he even entertain the idea of him being able to say anything in his closing arguments during that trial. i think the problem is, and i think i really want people to understand, because we struggle with this in the media. do you feed the beast? are you giving the fire, the congregation oxygen by covering him, but do you a disservice, and not covering it? the stuff that comes out of his mouth continues to be so egregious, and to jay rosen's point, it's not the odds but the stakes. and if you continue to get the ammunition to focus on the stakes, then why not highlight how crazy, stupid, insane, and completely dictatorial he is.

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he's going to court. that's what happens when he goes to court? we all show up with our cameras. when he is at rallies, we don't air them, we say those rallies are filled with lights. he goes to court, we all show up, he stands in the courthouse steps where he gives the press conference, and it is basically another rally speech and we take every word of it. >> i will take an unpopular opinion about justice -- in the new york civil fraud trial. he allowed donald trump to speak, and that was a mistake, i think we should never treat donald trump differently, and i think that he got specialized treatment when he even entertain the idea of him being able to say anything in his closing arguments during that trial. i think the problem is, and i think i really want people to understand, because we struggle with this in the media. do you feed the beast? are you giving the fire, the congregation oxygen by covering him, but do you a disservice, and not covering it? the stuff that comes out of his

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university. good to talk to. even listening to a little bit of what former president trump has been saying. the formula pretty much stays the same, doesn't it? tt pretty much stays the same, doesn't it? :, , :, , :, , pretty much stays the same, doesn't it? ,, pretty much stays the same, doesn't it? it really does and this is a tried-and-true _ it? it really does and this is a tried-and-true rally - it? it really does and this is a tried-and-true rally speech l it? it really does and this is a l tried-and-true rally speech for it? it really does and this is a - tried-and-true rally speech for him. tried—and—true rally speech for him. the structure is atypical for a term speech, it is sort of rambling and conversational. it is very entertaining with the jabs at chris christie. he said don't bother him, he is busy eating. i won't call him a fat pig, were not allowed to post and he went in on ron desantis, that nickname seems to be sticking around attacking his opponents, and now he is getting into some of the january six and "i really won georgia and it was a perfect phone, the secretary of state." so it has really spanned the full menu if you will if the

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rally speech talking about his legal troubles. railed against special counsel jack smith. he criticized the department of justice and he argued that the charges that he is facing amount to election interference and that is a well worn playbook that we have seen him use time and time again. and he was very defiant during his speech, but i also know from talking with his allies and many of miss advisors that privately he is very frustrated by the mounting indictments that he faced. but the rhetoric that he used on stage on saturday is working really well with his supporters. my colleague kate sullivan and i spoke to some of the rally you a tend east as they were filing into the venue on saturday and they kind of used the same rhetoric that donald trump is, they think he is a target of political persecution and more attention should be paid to president biden and his family. and so i think you're gonna continue to see donald trump moving forward with his very

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backin and big american flags and his back in his environment and i think he and his legal team at least r saying that they don't believe that the charges will hold, that there isn't sufficient evidence to charge him with a felony on and that he can use this both to raise money and to go around the country on a kind of campaign series of rallies and you can hear him tonight practising some of the language that he is going to use. some of the language that he is going to use-— going to use. yes, this is definitely _ going to use. yes, this is definitely another - going to use. yes, this is definitely another thread | going to use. yes, this is l definitely another thread in the rally speech. but i'll look at the — the rally speech. but i'll look at the contrasting images that we had — at the contrasting images that we had earlier this morning trump _ we had earlier this morning trump arriving at the courthouse with a stern look, the sort — courthouse with a stern look, the sort of _ courthouse with a stern look, the sort of angry look to where he was — the sort of angry look to where he wasjust greeting the sort of angry look to where he was just greeting the crowd, it has— he was just greeting the crowd, it has been less than what, six hours? — it has been less than what, six hours? it — it has been less than what, six hours? it is _ it has been less than what, six hours? it isjust a completely different— hours? it isjust a completely different aura. by hours? it isjust a completely different aura.— different aura. by the way, trump rally _ different aura. by the way, trump rally speech - different aura. by the way, trump rally speech is - different aura. by the way, trump rally speech is can l different aura. by the way, l trump rally speech is can go different aura. by the way, - trump rally speech is can go on for a very long time, it could

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elections are about the future. >> the tone was the right one. it felt more like a state of the union address and less like a rally speech. donald trump stuck to the issues. all of the crises in this country and it was discipline. he was positive in terms of his vision. took a couple of shots at joe biden but it was benign in trump terms. it reminded those watching of his accomplishments as president. he outlined the contrast with the biden administration and crime and the border and foreign policy. it was what he did not say. no talk about stolen elections in 2020. he didn't attack or insult opponents in the republican primary. that's smart. this felt more like an address to the joint session of congress. it sounded presidential. i think it surprised more than a few folks that he went about it this way. if he sticks to the issues, it's

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primetime. so, it's unclear whether those texts will make it into what we see on thursday. but let's hear from congresswoman elaine gloria, who gave us a preview of what we can expect to hear. >> mr. cipollone's testimony is a very valuable. we'll be incorporating that into our hearing coming up on thursday. but there's actually more. it's not only mr. cipollone, there's other witnesses we've spoken to who have yet to appear in our previous hearings. we'll have a lot of value and information to events that critical time, on january 6th. >> as she said, we will be hearing from individuals we have not yet heard from and committee members, today, have said those will include advisers who are with president trump during those hundred 87 minutes. that window between when trump left the stage after his rally speech and when he finally sent out a tweet, saying please stop

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not that i can specifically remember. i remember overhearing ideas discussed when with mark and scott perry, mark and rudy giuliani. i don't know which conversations were elevated to the president. i don't know what he personally wanted to do if he were going to the capitol that day. there were discussions about him having another speech outside the capitol before going in. and then there is a conversation about him going into the house chamber at one point. >> as we've all just heard, in the days leading up to january six, on the day of the speech, both before and during and after the rally speech, president trump was pushing for his staff to come up during the

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how would that day have ended? and as insane as that sounds, what was the single most insane thing we learned today, is that former president trump not only wanted to do that. he not only want to go to the capitol. he tried it. he physically tried it. perhaps, the strangest and most lowering thing we have ever heard about the personal behavior of a sitting president of the united states. >> as we've all just heard, in the days leading up to january 6th, on the day of the speech, both before and during and after the rally speech, president trump was pushing his staff to arrange for him to come up to the capitol during the electoral vote count. let's turn now to what happened in the presidents vehicle, when the secret service told him he would not be going to the capitol after his speech. first, he was the president's motorcade leaving the ellipse, after his speech on january 6th.

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count of the vote. how would that day have ended? and as insane as that sounds, what was the single most insane thing we learned today, is that former president trump not only wanted to do that. he not only want to go to the capitol. he tried it. he physically tried it. perhaps, the strangest and most lurid thing we have ever heard about the personal behavior of a sitting president of the united states. >> as we've all just heard, in the days leading up to january 6th, on the day of the speech, both before and during and after the rally speech, president trump was pushing his staff to arrange for him to come up to the capitol during the electoral vote count. let's turn now to what happened in the presidents vehicle, when the secret service told him he would not be going to the capitol after his speech. first, he was the president's motorcade leaving the ellipse, after his speech on january 6th.

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