conversations from the past month. we begin this morning with a discussion about the potential dangers of a second trump presidency. editor in chief of the atlantic, jeffrey goldberg, recently joined us to discuss the publication s special issue, which features 24 writers each outlining the threats they say a second trump term would pose to the united states and the world. we have a lot of writer at the atlantic who spent many years covering different aspects of trump and trumpism, and i wanted just to pull them all together in one, easy to read package. one copy of the print magazine, obviously it s online right now at theatlantic.com. mm-hmm. i wanted our writers to describe, as best as they could, what would happen in their areas of expertise if trump became president again. the next trump presidency will be worse. the restraints will be off. there won t be any quote, unquote, adults in the world. mckay coppins has a piece, who will get jobs in the next trump adm
the argument that mike pence was making was the best one legally. so i think what we re really looking for is when could we see mike pence in front of a grand jury and sarah cnn s learning that former trump national security officials from the department of homeland security , chad wolf and ken cuccinelli have testified to a federal grand jury about trump s efforts and desire to seize voting machines. after the 2020 election. they said that they told the president and his team that he had no authority to do so. this really speaks to how special counsel jack smith is zeroing in. on the various ways . trump tried to overturn his election loss. that s right. i mean, this is excellent reporting from my colleagues at cohen sort of looking at how the special counsel is digging into a bunch of these schemes the trump team considered to try to overturn the 2020 election. of course, we know that one of these sort of crazy ideas under consideration was seizing the voting machines, and
lot of mothers of young black men killed by police out there who would love to sit down with the speaker of the house and talk about police reform. so, why don t y all just call the speaker up and ask for a meeting? or is mccarthy only interested in throwing red meat to the part of his base that s sympathetic to the mob? or trying to make amends with them, after he said babbitt s shooting was justified just a few weeks ago? one of the first things marjorie taylor greene said that ashley babbitt was murdered. do you think ashley babbitt was murdered or you do you think the police officer who shot her was doing his job? i think the police officer did his job. for her part, ashley babbitt s mother said she spoke to mccarthy about those comments, specifically. i called thought speaker mccarthy was delightful and i know i would imagine you were upset when he said that the cops who shot your daughter was doing his job. did you discuss that specifically? we did. and wh
spokesman john kirby with an uptate on the number of american hostages still being held by hamas following the release of a 4-year-old girl. the humanitarian pause in gaza remains in effect this morning. we ll have the latest on when more hostages could be freed. also ahead, an update on the college students of palestinian descent who were shot in burlington, vermont. we ll hear from the mother of one of the victims. plus, as if a rematch of 2020 wasn t bad enough, donald trump is bringing back a top issue from his 2016 campaign. it s a pledge on which he never delivered. we ll explain what that is. i mean, it s unpopular, too. why would we deliver on that? he is once again going to promise something that s extremely unpopular with people. we re talking about, you know, the wall street journal lead, talking about israel and hamas extend the truce two days. the new york times lead the same, talking about how israel and hamas agreed to extend pause and swap. mika,
and also the january six attack and you, of course, were a member of the house select committee on the january sixth attack. if you look at the numbers, there is a poll from quinnipiac university that shows that more than 50% of americans thought that these events represented an attack on democracy butjust under 50% believed that it was time to move on. and also, if you look at president trump s role in all of this, just under 50% of americans believe he committed a crime but around the same amount thought that no crime was committed. and also, if you look at president trump s role in all of this, just under 50% of americans believe he committed a crime but around the same amount thought that no crime was committed. so, are you concerned about charges here and a trial if a significant percentage of americans say it is time to move on and we don t think that president trump did something criminal? prosecutors and the rule of law don t rely on public opinion polls. if the prosecutor beli