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BBCNEWS HARDtalk June 4, 2024 23:52:00

Noise, doesnt like to sort of be in the limelight, and yet you have found yourself as a result of what... by accident! so, im just wondering now whether you feel you will continue to be prominent with this message of yours, to use your voice, or do you partly wish to go back to the quiet life you had before? well, i spoke to someone else on another news service this morning, and its a lady who also works on cricket. and shes asked me a similar question, and i told her i am dying for the 4th of a...
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BBCNEWS HARDtalk June 4, 2024 23:40:00

But i want to talk about your sport, cricket, and your experience. sure. do you think it has progressed? fundamentally changed from the way it was and the way racism worked in cricket in the ๏ฟฝ*70s and ๏ฟฝ*80s? well, i dont know... i dont know if you could say progressed, because i dont think cricket basically has changed a lot. im a little bit worried about the image that cricket has here in england, not necessarily around the world. i think perhaps cricket is a little bit peculiar because peo...
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BBCNEWS HARDtalk June 4, 2024 23:39:00

Had a very dark skin. yes. and they, in their own way, were very racist about that. and youve written very frankly about the difficulties that has presented to you, making sense of that. yeah. and what came home to me much later in life again, stephen, was remembering, as a kid, my mother waking me up in new york, upstairs, looking down into the neighbours back yard and seeing how white and black kids were playing together, and calling me, "mikey, mikey, come and have a look here." and saying to...
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BBCNEWS HARDtalk June 4, 2024 23:41:00

So, why cant cricket as a sport and as an organisation, the people that run cricket, take it upon themselves and say, "this is something that we believe in. we believe black lives matter." forget the political side and political organisation. "we believe in three words โ€” black lives matter." everyone takes a knee in respect of that. thats a gesture that is known and respected throughout the world to support black lives matter. and then they cant do it...? yeah, well, thats fascinating, cos the...
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BBCNEWS HARDtalk June 4, 2024 19:42:00

Something else if i didnt play cricket, but it definitely made me what i am. "..is letting me down personally." and i take it very personal. because when the england team can say, officially, stephen, notjust by rumour, officially put out a press release that they only took the knee in respect of their visitors, what that tells me, if their visitors was a white team, they would not have done it. so, why cant cricket as a sport and as an organisation, the people that run cricket, take it upon the...
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BBCNEWS HARDtalk June 4, 2024 19:43:00

Yes. and you criticised both, and you said their reasoning was "flimsy and lame". and the response from one black player in the english team, jofra archer, was that, "michael, you dont have a right to judge us. you dont know what we, behind the scenes, are doing to foster, you know, new cricket development for disadvantaged black kids in poorer parts of the country. you dont know what efforts me and my teamโ€”mates are making." well, tell me, stephen. tell me. dont say i do not know, tell me wha...
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BBCNEWS HARDtalk June 4, 2024 19:41:00

Upon years upon years. what youve written about and the feelings youve expressed and the chord youve struck goes much deeper and wider than cricket. but i want to talk about your sport, cricket, and your experience. sure. do you think it has progressed? fundamentally changed from the way it was and the way racism worked in cricket in the ๏ฟฝ*70s and ๏ฟฝ*805? well, i dont know... i dont know if you could say progressed, because i dont think cricket basically has changed a lot. im a little bit wor...
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BBCNEWS HARDtalk June 4, 2024 19:53:00

The ones who set policy. if someone is operating in your space, you control this country, someone is operating in your space, you should be able to dictate to that company how they run their company and what they allow and what they do not allow. you describe yourself as fundamentally and instinctively a quiet and reticent man who doesnt like to make a loud noise, doesnt like to sort of be in the limelight, and yet you have found yourself as a result of what... by accident! so, im just wondering...
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BBCNEWS HARDtalk June 4, 2024 19:54:00

When i can go back into the commentary box and just do cricket... go back to doing cricket. doing my dayjob. i dont want to back away from this because i dont want to see itjust die, but i dont see myself as a person to take this forward. im hoping that the book and the arguments and the conversations that are taking place, that the people who have the power to put policy in place and the people who have the power to make changes will actually do it, so i can put my slippers on, get my pipe and ...
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BBCNEWS HARDtalk June 4, 2024 23:42:00

Because the english cricket team decided to stop taking the knee, i think, in september 2020. you... and the australians took the same decision, i think. yes. and you criticised both, and you said their reasoning was "flimsy and lame". and the response from one black player in the english team, jofra archer, was that, "michael, you dont have a right to judge us. you dont know what we, behind the scenes, are doing to foster, you know, new cricket development for disadvantaged black kids in poorer...
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