Safe Arm Switch News Today

And into a containment van and ultimately taken care of. But were left with a lot of questions as we close the show this morning. That does it for us for now. Stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. We begin with that very breaking news. Two more packages found this morning. One addressed to senator cory booker and another to former director of National Intelligence James Clapper. Nbcs Investigative Reporter tom winters joins me now via phone. Tom were up to 12 potentially suspicious pa...

Why two bombs if were trying to scare you? it goes more to me that im really trying to get you, i really have an ire for you, a hatred, i really want to get you, maxine waters or joe biden. so thats just some ways to look at it. its not absolute. we could very well find out there was no way to trigger the device and thats the way the bomber made it. so we made a real bomb that he didnt tend to go off. i think more likely its his bomb making skills, steph, are lacking, you know, maybe the bottom ...

Victim. thats what i suspect here is that the timer was a safe arm switch and these packages were set to detonate when opened or the package was manipulated. i dont, ali, of any one of these that was opened by a citizen or victim. they were all opened as far as i can tell by the bomb squad. the bomb squad can open these in what we call render safe procedure without them detonating. so these devices can be fully functional. theyre totally bombs under federal law. they have all the components to m...

Schultzs offices in florida are a part of the investigation and not only because of the fake returned a dress put on the envelopes, but because they are looking into whether or not there were past threats or messages sent to that office and whether the past incidents connect to what is happening now here in new york, washington, los angeles. >> jim, let me take these step by step and you can help to us understand the importance of this information and how it fit s into the overall investigation ...

Were not intended to detonate. thats a point you would consider. my analysis would be they were intended to detonate. just from what i see. heres some of the reasons. you dont put shrapnel, hidden shrapnel, glass, inside a pipe, to scare anybody. its not going to scare anybody. youre not going to see it. if you want to put shrapnel to intimidate or, like, in a hoax device, you tape a bunch of nails around the outside of the bomb so the visual attack of your hoax bomb you see. thats not here. thi...

Bombs to the post office and there may be more than one bomber here. there may be an accomplice as well. they could carry -- the thing about carrying ten bombs, franks point, they might have been mailed at once, could have been mailed multiple times. think about lugging these things around in your vehicle, as clint would say, pre-offense behavior we -- >> say that again. >> pre-offense behavior, just before. you cant safely lug these kind of contraptions around without the risk of them blowing u...

The information were getting is they were real. they could actually have exploded. what about what we know about this is going to help us figure out who and why? >> youve got to look at the make-up of the bomb. you look at the bomb carefully to see if you can zurn who the bomber is. you talked about a timer, its been reported the bomb has a timer. timers arent normally used in mail bombs. a digital timer here is most likely a safe arms switch. its used by the bomber so he can carry the package, ...

Is this bomber? >> yes, hes adept at making the fusing and firing systems. we sort of wigged out about the trip wire. but look, the process to rig a device, one way to do that is an interior trip wire. you open the lid. the string pulls the contact. to go to a trip wire, you just put a longer string. its not that much of a sophistication necessarily. hes mastered the little micro switch that either detonated the device when you open it or tilt it or move it. we call it anti-disturbance device. h...