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Said is true that would include not just a first amendment free speech or political statements benign. it would include trying to get someone to do something unlawful. thats beyond the first amendment. in this case what theyve alleged its not be on the first amendment. and im not saying what theyve alleged is true. im just saying even if it was trueo conspiracy to do illegal act. and so when youre saying that congress is going to do this and i want them to do why actions instead of ex actions or...

Constitution is not a violation of criminal law. that is just plain wrong. and to say that is contrary to decades of precedent -- legal statutes. >> lets take a deep breath because for fact sake, we all learn in middle school civics that the constitution is the law of the land. so a violation of the constitution is by definition a violation of the law. lauro also claimed that pencess testimony would help trump, saying the former president would be acquitted if his vice president is called as wit...

New details to the core story that we set forward. >> in a broad sense, was there anything, i guess, that surprise you about the indictment? i mean, the information you didnt expect to see, for example? perhaps this charge that we have talked about, this kkk charge that i dont believe was one of the recommended charges from the january 6th committee. >> no, i cant say anything surprised me. there was a menu of statutes that could have been used. there were more facts beyond those included in the...

You had a disagreement there. these disagreements dont lead to criminal charges. one thing that mr. pence has never said is that he thought president trump was acting criminally. indeed, vice president pence is an attorney. if he at any point said or ai thought that mr. trump -- president trump was acting unlawfully or contrary to criminal law, he would have said that. no one ever suggested that. president trump was -- >> he has said that. he said the president asked him to violate the constitut...

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Him to violet the constitution which is another way of saying he asked him to break the law. >> he never said. he never said -- thats wrong. a technical violation of the constitution is not the violation of criminal law. thats just plain wrong. and to say that is contrary to decades of legal statutes. >> barbara, what do you think of that argument? >> i think it is john lauro who is wrong. the statutes that are violated here are the ones alleged in the indictment. by asking mike pence to just ma...

Mike pence to delay or throughout the votes, however whatever euphemism we want to hear. >> technically, it is a war that defense attorneys like. i once used it myself, and im talking about particular regulations or statutes. but a technical, when you are talking about a technical violation, that is one less just say, for example, you are supposed to have your feds are near 50 feet and it turns out to be 50, one or something along those lines, were yes youve technically violated the law but you ...

Whatever euphemism we want to hear. >> technically, it is a war that defense attorneys like. i once used it myself, and im talking about particular regulations or statutes. but a technical, when you are talking about a technical violation, that is one less just say, for example, you are supposed to have your feds are near 50 feet and it turns out to be 50, one or something along those lines, were yes youve technically violated the law but you are complying with the law, the constitution is not q...

John lauro was really prepared for that question and he didnt really know quite how to answer it. i mean, there are criminal statutes, but if you dont follow the constitution and that is demonstrated and proved in a trial, that is a problem for, especially the former president. and so, or one who actually did these actions while he was president. so, no, there is no real substance to that statement,. but it does show you that whole exchange shows you the difference between trying a case in crimi...

And independent journalist george teeny. hes been subpoenaed in the grand jury investigation, led by fani willis, the district attorney, in fulton county, georgia. thank you all for being here. carol, this exchange between trump attorney john lauro and my colleague, chuck todd that happened this morning on meet the press about what trump asked mike pence to do on january 6th, i want you to listen to this because i found this very striking. >> he said, the president asked him to violate the const...