they are classified for a reason. let me back up. the cia was developed and has grown into a robust organization designed to go places where it is dangerous to collect information for policymakers like the united states, congress, like the president, like the military, to make realtime up-to-date decisions based on what we know on the facts on the ground. the major facts are what are rebels doing and who are they and what do they need? you have said it s not a good idea to supply arms for rebels. without the air cover, can they topple gadhafi? well, i supported the no-fly zone early on, as a matter of fact, and support the continuation of the no-fly zone with the ability to strike targets on the ground, armored colu columns, other things. what we need to know is what they are. we know they are against the rebels and against moammar gadhafi remaining in power but we don t know what they are for. is there a terrorist element among them? well, in most middle east
civilians, but it s up to the rebels, up, actually up to the opposition to do that job. now, do you believe that the rebels are people that want freedom, like egypt seems to have, those people that were in tahrir square today and yesterday or do you believe there s a terrorist element there? well, i believe at least that tunisia and egypt, leadership of the opposition world were known from us. we know, they were interviewed and knew about them even before the uprising began and that s not the case in libya and that s why i m calling on the united states and on the international community to make them visible, to engage with them and start training those units. remember that the opposition are the ones going after gaddafi on the ground and we don t want to act surprising and among them later on and he can do the job today in benghazi. one of the things we worry about with gaddafi and he s a
i think if you want to talk about the ku klux klan, let s have a hearing about ku klux klan. let s have a hearing about al qaeda and what they are trying to do. they have blood of all americans on their hands, including muslims. let s do it that way. there s a lot more to be gained by targeting the real owe fendz e offenders. sir the only way you get community engagement is by engaging the community and building trust. is this a matter of vocabulary no. if congressman king had called it no, it s not a matter of vocabulary. it s a matter of how do you build trust with a community so you can enlist their help to deal with the criminal element and the terrorist element that may be existing within their community. you have to make sure the community knows it s not the target, the terrorist is the target. you can t do that if you look like you re persecuting the
one with hundreds of militant and 34 members of the banned political parties in the muslim brotherhood were set free as they overtook a facility. now on the lam in egypt. protest in egypt are largery out of people being unhappy with the government. if the current government is overthrown, could the terrorist element take power? joining us to talk about it is tom ridge. thank you for joining us today. thank you. shannon: the situation is changing hour by hour. what is the current take? first, i think at least today it appears that most of the demonstrato and most of the demonstrations are secular. i suspect that lurking within the masses out there are members of the islamic brotherhood. there are probably some supporters and some dissidents out there linked to iran. we have to accept reality that
here so they can become little american citizens. which is exactly the phrase she used this week on the stage in texas. the other problem she says is tourism babies. we have women from middle eastern countries, she says, even china who come over here, overstay their visas and have their babies here and take their babies home with the nefarious again, her word nefarious purpose of turning them into little terrorists who then will come back to the u.s. and do us harm. she conclude by telling jack it s part of an organized terrorist element and could cost us lives. ms. riddle seems to have a completely different recollection of her conversation with jack gray. and then right at the end of the conversation he said do you know anything about these tourism babies. and i said, well, yeah terrorism babies? tourism babies. terror babies was not my term. that was their term. they made up, i guess, before we went on the air. but he said do you know anything about these tourism babies,