in heiglight of the fact that everything you just said donald trump said wasn't going to happen. it is the most under-reported story related to the campaign but not directly in the campaign. each day we see something new that was kind of unimaginable weeks ago. >> he says the u.s. military is a disaster, that operation is a disaster, he half believes that mosul is part of syria. >> thank you, rachel. today, the wife of the biggest cyber bully in the world said that if you make her first lady of the united states, she will work hard to stop cyber bullying. annemarie cox will join us with her reaction to melania trump's speech today. but first, we have a new electoral college projection. and that projection indicates that the next president of the united states will not have a first lady. >> this isn't a joke.
this isn't survivor. this isn't the bachelorette. this counts. >> say whoa. >> if donald trump were to win this election, we would have a commander in chief who is completely out of his depth. >> ah, this and that, oh, give me a break. >> donald trump is temperamentally unfit. >> best thing i have is my temperament. >> now he knows we can see and hear him, right? >> i think the gig is up. >> we have to find a better way to talk to each other. to respect each other. >> these people are stupid. they're stupid people. >> come on, man! >> i promise you, i will never enter a bicycle race. >> stay on point, donald, stay on point. >> we need to teach our youth american values. kindness. honesty, respect. >> stupid people, remember that. >> sometimes the tentation is to tune it out, and you want to
just focus on the cubs winning the world series. [cheers and applause] >> and who knows, maybe we'll see even more history made in a few days. >> this is the last word on campaign 2016. >> with just four campaign days left now before the presidential election, american voters have probably already decided who the next president of the united states will be. most of the models repeatedly used to predict the winner are predicting a win for hillary clinton. on this program, we presented the moody's analytics model this week that uses economic factors as well as political factors to predict a winner. that shows hillary clinton winning 332 electoral votes to donald trump's 206 electoral votes. larry sabato, the director of the university of virginia center for politics is now ready with his numbers. joining us now, larry sabato.
this is not your final projection, because, there's a couple is states you're still thinking about, but give us your count as of tonight. >> yes, lawrence, we'll update on monday, but right now we think that clinton has 293 electoral votes. she will, we believe, win nevada, despite some of the late polling that has her behind there. we think she's ahead in north carolina. and as long as democrats can manage to get out more the african-american vote, and they're working hard on that, she will win north carolina. our big toss-up, in fact the only toss-up state is florida. you could argue new hampshire is a toss-up state. there are only four electoral votes there and 29 in florida. florida has flummoxed us so far. but 293 is a respectable total. if she wins florida, she'll go
clinton among latinos, latino decisions have excellent new data on this showing that clinton is getting a larger percentage of latinos than brau barack obama did. he got 21%. she's getting 79%, donald trump is in the teens. gee, i wonder why. that is a big, big gain for hillary clinton. the electorate's never static, and different pieces move in different directions every four years, but over all, i think people who are saying hillary clinton is collapsing and the blue wall is falling, you know, it's chicken little all over again. >> and quickly, larry on the senate, if hillary clinton, if your projection's right, hillary clinton's going to be the next president. is she going to be able to get a supreme court nominee through the next united states senate? >> well, she needs, she needs 50 democratic senators plus tim
donald trump's temperament. >> i'm also honored to have the greatest temperament that anybody has, because we know how to win. she spends $1 billion. she spends so much money, i see these ads. people that know me, say how can they say that? you know, we have a temperament, we have a certain temperament. it's a temperament of knowing how to win. >> donald stood on a stage and said, and i quote, i'm honored to have the greatest temperament that anyone's ever had. now he, he knows we can see and hear him, right? this is someone who at another rally yesterday actually said out loud to himself, stay on point, donald. stay on point. his campaign probably put that in the teleprompter. stay on point, donald, stay on point. >> and joining the discussion
now, elysse jordan. former adviser to rand paul's presidential campaign. and also with us, steve mcmahon, a democratic strategist and the ceo and co-founder of purple strategies. elysse, it still seems for the clinton campaign, the best material for hillary clinton every day is whatever donald trump just said. >> that's why this week has been damaging to her. so much attention has been focussed on the fbi and the e-mail server. if she can get back to pointing out to what ridiculous things donald trump is saying, his message the entire campaign, she's in much firmer, better territory. >> steve mcmahon, you've been, i was going to say you've been in campaigns like this. i take it back. no one's ever been in a campaign like this. but you've certainly been there where there's four campaign days left. obviously hillary clinton likes keeping the focus on what donald
funny to basically not pay somebody who's done work for him and say go ahead and sue me, because i've got more money than you and you can't do anything about it. >> larry sabato, is that approach based on voter analysis, that that is what is working with voters? talking about donald trump's temperament and character? >> oh, absolutely. this has come through for months, even before the conventions. and it's just as true today as it was then. the two big factors, they don't think he has the temperament to sit in the oval office and make critical decisions, and they don't think he's qualified in terms of experience and background, to deal with complex public policy issues. the more those two things can be stressed, the better for democrats, and president obama had a marvelous term there. uniquely unqualified. and, again, i think most people would agree with that, just based on the facts.
>> all right, let's look at the latest clinton campaign ad that goes straight at this. ♪ >> i'd look her right in that fat, ugly face of hers. >> he's a war hero because he was captured. i like people who weren't captur captured, okay? you got to look at this guy, oh, i don't remember. i would bomb the [ bleep ] out of them. i love war in a certain way. >> elysse, i think about people like you and steve wishing you could be in the room working on ads against donald trump, because they just serve up the, donald trump serves up that material. >> it is a gift that keeps giving when it comes to ads. but back to this temperament issue that we're talking about and how clinton and president obama are trying to stress this on the campaign trail this week,
out of all the focus groups that i've sat in during this campaign season, temperament was the absolute, number one issue that undecided voters mentioned when it came to pulling the trigger for donald trump. they're simply worried not only what he would do domestically been internationally, it's okay if he's a wrecking ball domestically, but internationally, they are really concerned. so this is definitely her closing argument. >> so steve mcmahon, never mind the supreme court in the last four days of the campaign, would you suggest they ignore issues, just go straight at donald trump the character? >> absolutely. she's got a 40 or 45-point edge on this trait which voters think is very important to a president, and i've sat in focus groups too and saw the same thing. voters are very worried about donald trump. they sort of like that he wants to change washington, they would like a change and broken glass
there, but they don't want that in the middle east or places where it's dangerous and scary. they want a balanced, experienced leader who's not going to get us into a war. >> steve mcmahon, elysse jordan, larry sabato, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. coming up, melania trump's speech today was accompanied by the most inappropriate music ever used by the trump campaign or any campaign in the history of campaigns. in the history of music. annemarie cox will give us her take on that speech. and former speechwriter for president george w. bush david from will join us to explain why he voted today for hillary clinton for president. one of millions of orders on this company's servers. accessible by thousands of suppliers and employees globally. but with cyber threats on the rise,
today, the microphone, i should say, but it was not for that press conference that donald trump promised since weeks ago in which melania trump would produce all her immigration records and prove to us her legality. instead, it was a speech accompanied by the most inappropriate music in the history of the campaign. annemarie cox will join us next and we'll bring you some of that speech. well this here's a load-bearing wall. we'll go ahead and rip that out. that'll cause a lot of problems. hmm. totally unnecessary and it triples the budget. we'll be totally behind schedule, right? (laughschedules. schedules. great, okay. wouldn't it be great if everyone said what they meant?
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♪ ♪ aquarius ♪ aquarius ♪ sympathy and trust abounding >> okay, that was weird. that is the most inappropriate piece of introductory music ever used at a campaign event. the last line of the lyric you just heard, "sympathy and trust abounding ". and then, for some inexplicable reason, the lyrics stop, the music continues, but the lyrics aren't there. they just stop. and the very next line, the lyrics that just don't happen, the next line is "no more falsehoods or derisions."
now it just can't be possible that the trump campaign, the campaign of falsehoods and derisions, was self-aware enough to realize that they just couldn't play that lyric today. it couldn't be that, because if the trump campaign was so self-aware, then they would never have chosen a hit song from the 1968 broadway musical "hair." it was the first nude musical. for the most part, they were dressed in the hippy costuming of the day. it was a story of dropping out, and dropping acid and free love and celebration of the hippy lifestyle. aimed at donald trump's age, graduated a month after "hair " opened on fraud way, but it definitely wa lly wasn't donalds kind of show. it was about, as the lyrics said, harmony and understanding,
sympathy and trust abounding. no more falsehoods or derisions. golden living dreams of visions mystic crystal revelation and the mind's true liberation. the music and the cultural world of people graduating from college in 1968 in donald trump's year, that year was deaf identified between the hippies singing about love and understanding and the mind's true revelation and elvis, unrepentant, 1950s rock and roll. so melania trump made her entrance to a song that stands against everything the trump campaign stands for. no more falsehoods or derisions. and oddly, melania trump's speech was about falsehoods and derisions. making her the first trump ever
to take a stand against falsehoods and derisions. >> as we know, now social media is a centerpiece of our lives. it can be a useful tool for connection and communication. it can ease isolation that so many people feel in the modern world. technology has changed our universe. but, like anything that is powerful, it can have a bad side. we have seen this already. as adults, many of us are able to handle mean words, even lies. children and teenagers can be fragile. they are hurt when they are made fun of or made to feel less in looks or intelligence. this makes their life hard and can force them to hide and
retreat. our culture has gotten too mean and too rough. especially to children and teenagers. >> made to feel less in looks and intelligence. so, the wife of the world's biggest, wildest, most out of control cyber bully, wants to assume the position of first lady so she can stop cyber bullying. no. this is not a self-aware campaign. four years ago, melania trump's husband tweeted this. cher, i don't wear a rug, it's mine, and i promise not to talk about your massive plastic surgeries that didn't work. melania trump's husband also tweeted this, ariana huffington is unattractive both yinside an out. i understand why her husband left her for a man. and he made a comment on the
fact that women were serving in the military. 26,000 unreported sexual assaults in the military, on only 238 convictions. what did these geniuses expect? how much money is the extremely unattractive both inside and out, ariana huffington paying her ex-husband for the use of his name. if hillary clinton can't satisfy her husband, what makes her think she can satisfy america. donald trump has tweeted that megyn kelly is a bimbo, attacked bette midler's attractiveness on twitter and said utterly poisonous things about rosie o'donnell, time and time again here, and i was the person donald trump threatened to sue
on twitter, he's attacked this show, saying it's unwatchable and first predicted the cancellation of this show five years ago, it was going to happen at any moment back then. also on twitter, donald trump has called me a poor journalist, stupid, a very dumb guy, the dumbest political commentator on television and the dumbest man on tv. today donald trump tweeted about watching his wife's speech, but he didn't say anything, anything about her condemnation of cyber bullying. joining us now, annemarie cox, senior political news correspondent for mtv news. i was looking at the trump hits on me, i have to confess, all of which made me laugh. and i thought he never goes after guys' looks. he only does the looks thing with women. and then i found this one. lawrence, this is from several years ago. lawrence will soon be off tv, bad ratings, he has a face made
for radio. so he has gone after, at least one guy, on looks. >> yeah, he's mocked krischri c too. he does save his real venom for women. that is true. and, you know, so i was working under a theory for a while that melania was an silon, because she has that weird thing where her eyes go back and forth, and she looks somewhat alien. but an android's circuits would fry, only a truly delusional human being could give a speech like she gave and survive it. a computer couldn't handle it. you've shown a hlot of the iron. but to go a step further beyond
trump himself doing the bullying, what about attacking people of the jewish faith who have covered him and they've sent people into hiding and remember the journalist that wrote a profile of melania and was deluged with anti-semitic remark, and the campaign and melania herself refused to say anything about it. >> it's one of those speeches where it makes you wonder, do these people ever talk to each other. it was all that portion of it was well-written. those were all good ideas, very well-considered stuff. but donald trump is just the most glaring, you know, violator of everything melania trump talked about today. >> right, you know, i always thought it was a little bit a shade that laura bush chose literacy as her cause when bush was president. i thought that was pretty
clever. but this is at another level. if this is self-aware subtweeting, it's like sticking the knife in. i don't, you know, it's hard to critique, you know, the families, right? i think everyone wants to not go to hard on the families of candidates. you know, a lot of us say things like this person didn't sign up for th. but i've been thinking. we don't know what melania signed up for. trump has said there's a prenuptial agreement. i imagine it's pretty long. she literally signed up for this. >> she definitely did literally sign something. i think when the families are trying to elect the most dangerous candidate in the history of the country, we've got a whole set of what's relevant and what isn't. >> and when she's trying to make the argument that somehow the donald that she knows is different than the one we know, we've seen no evidence of that. this is a case where we actually
have evidence of what he's like when he doesn't think the cameras are on, right? and it's pretty consistent, actually. like that's the thing that's sort of amazing, right? there's no hidden depths to hem. there's no other side of donald trump. hi like he's exactly the jerk you think he is. >> and what matters is who a president is going to be publicly. this is who he is publicly. >> and the temperament argument that all the hillary surrogates is making is a powerful one. we'd like to live in a country where we're having our des agreements about policy, but in the end, it really is about temperament when we elect a president, because there's not going to be, we can't predict every policy problem that comes forward. we can't predict everything that will happen in the world. at some point, it will be the president at his or her desk making the decision about
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when republican governor and former candidate john kasich voted in the battle ground state of ohio, he ducked the real choice of hillary clinton versus donald trump for president. governor kasich could not bring himself to vote for donald trump, and he couldn't bring himself to vote for hillary clinton, so he wrote in a vote for john mccain. david from accepted the real choice and announced today that he voted for hillary clinton. he wrote in an oped for the flaentsic, i have no illusions about hillary clinton. she is a patriot and will uphold the sovereignty of the united states. why didn't you write in john mccain? and what do you say to republicans who are thinking about writing in john mccain or something else? >> well, i wrote, the article i wrote for the atlantic
immediately before made the best case i could from a conservative point of view for donald trump, hillary clinton and a protest candidate. i feel like you have to face your choices. the absentee ballot which i septembe sent, stayed in my box about four days. >> when did you send it? >> about a week ago. but i would say, i'm not one who is greatly swayed by endorsements, but vladimir putin's, that cut a lot of weight with me. >> that would be the thing in the end that weighed the heaviest on you, which one does vladimir putin really want? >> the first is, i do think we are seeing an attempt to manipulate an american election by an unfriendly foreign power,
and it's really important that that unfriendly power get the strongest signal that this isn't acceptable. in the second thing, i do think hillary clinton, i mean, clintons, i've got a lot of critiques of the clinton foundation. i do think they bend the law. but hillary clinton accepts the concept of legality, she accepts that courts are asupreme and hls should be followed. and those pay sibasic rules. the system that we have is one that protects my rights under a president i don't approve of and tomorrow will do the same for you. and what people have in common is their commitment to those shared rules. and if you have a challenger to show shar those shearared rules, that's
unacceptable. >> are you having conversations with a number of your republican friends who are having the same problem that you are? >> there are a lot of shy clinton voters. i know marriages where they're both republicans, but women find this an easier step than the men do. i know a lot of republicans making a protest vote, and i don't complain about that. there are people who say my vote an expression and people who say my vote an instrument. i believe it is an instrument, not an expression. >> thank you very much. coming up, trump campaign is worried about getting out to vote, but are they telling the truth about that? that's in tonight's war room wi with mike murphy. [ piercing sound ]
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septembersent an e-mail to supporters this week asking them for money pause, we are currently executing a highly costly early voting push and get out to vote operation to ensure identified trump voters make it to the polls before election day. and this picture was tweeted with this caption, expensive early vote and get out to vote operation. that clearly doesn't exist. what grifters, con man. with four days left for the presidential war rooms, joining us tonight is mike murphy, republican campaign strategist and the host of the pod cast, radio free gop. so i have friends getting these trump e-mails, begging for money. this one you say is more fraud length thfraudu lent than most, because there isn't even a get out to vote
push? >> i'm the sheriff of corrupt town. but this one was particularly egregious. you can argue, there's a fig leaf. it's the joint fund raising committee between the rnc, and they do do generic things, but the e-mail implies, the technique they use is from kellyanne conway, and the idea they need money for this big tv system, which the campaign doesn't have. the rnc has some of it, that's why they'd argue there was a whip of truth. it was misleading. make a trump appeal. that's fine, but let's not pretend there's somet that doesn't exis >> it still cracks me up that the guy is asking for money. why ask for money? why not pump all that trump money that was supposed to come in. >> that's a promise we heard for a long time.
and he's put some money in, but not nearly what he said he would, but that's no surprise with trump. >> he will end up spending less than mike bloomberg did to get elected mayor of new york city. here's the count on field offices. hillary clinton has more field offices in 41 states, chug in every battleground state than donald trump has. here are the states where donald trump has more field offices han hillary clinton. arizona, south dakota, arkansas and mississippi. and arizona's the only one of those that's even in play. >> yeah, there's no trump field operation by real campaign standards. there's generic stuff the rnc is doing to help congressional races. but trump is doing none of the enhanced things that a normal presidential campaign would do. they're doing much of anything that a normal presidential
campaign would do. there's no real serious policy staff. the list goes on and on. trump is like the ice kcapades. it is this concert tour, and we'll see how that pays off on election day. i think with all the noise about how it's too close to call and all that, i'm making bets, i think trump's going down. >> walk us through your bet. on election night, which chips do you expect to see falling on the east coast? do you think in the early closings we'll see florida go for hillary clinton? >> i actually believe hillary is going to carry florida. i could be wrong, but even if trump wins ohio where he's a little stronger than florida and loses florida, let's give him both. and even if he were to win north carolina which has more republican proclivitieproclivit still has to make it up other places i don't think he can. i don't think he's going to poll
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normally you get 95% when you win. i think trump's republican number will be in the 80 s somewhere. so one of his many problems is, not all these republican votes by registration are actually trump votes. i don't know if it will be 28 to hillary, but i wouldn't be surprised if it's in the high teens, which is twice what it should be in a winning republican model. >> mike murphy, it's great to get your last word on this campaign as we approach tuesday, really appreciate. thanks, mike. >> thanks, lawrence. coming up next, the lawyer who fought the voter i.d. law in north carolina. indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea!♪ here's pepto bismol! ah. ♪nausea, heartburn, indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea!♪ why don't you let me... and me... help you out?
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they say some 6,700 people have been purged. a federal judge reinstated those purged voters' rights, calling the way that they were removed, quote, insane. that was the judge's word. insane. and the judge said it was out of the jim crow era. while democratic turnout for early voting is outpacing republican turnout in north carolina so far, black voter turnout is down 16% from 2012 and some activists say that that is due to that kind of voter suppression. the justice department plans to monitor voting in four counties in north carolina next tuesday. joining us now, penda haire. can you tell me what the judgment found to be insane?
i've heard a lot of judges speaking and writing from the bench. that's a word you don't hear very often. >> let me say first, lawrence, that the judge has not yet issued her final decision, but she did make some comments from the bench. what she found to be insane was that private people mailed pieces of mail to voters in the county, and then they took returned mail to the county and asked the county board of elections to purge those voters from the roles. and the counties actually did so on the behest of these private vigilantes. and more than 400 voters were purged in one county, and over 60 in another county, and in the larger county, it was thousands of voters who were purged. and a lot of this was done right up until election day. . there's another hearing to purge more voters on monday in one of these counties.
>> current polling shows hillary clinton leading donald trump 47-44 in north carolina. let's listen to the way president obama described this situation. >> grace bell lived in belhaven north carolina her entire life. all 100 years of her life. just a few weeks ago republicans challenged her voter registration status. and tried to remove her from the voter rolls. now grace got her voter regge administration reinstated. and you better believe she's going to vote. but this 100-year old woman wasn't alone in being targeted. the list was two-thirds black and democratic. that didn't happen by accident. >> and is that a pretty fair description of what's going on? >> yes. mrs. grace bell harditsson plai
brought. she's voted 23 elections in a role and was at risk of being purged. she got the challenge withdrawn after the north carolina naacp learned about her sorry and made it public. and many, many others in her county are not so lucky and are still subject to having their vote taken away unless the federal judge rules, which we believe will happen fairly quickly. >> if someone has trouble voting in north carolina, what should they do? >> well, they should insist on voting. and if the election officials will not give them a regular ballot, they should ask for a provisional ballot and make sure they are given the provisional ballot. and then after the election, the
"access hollywood" video. jessica leeds told the times she was assigned the seat next to donald trump in first class on an airplane 35 years ago when donald trump was still flying on commercial airplanes. she said he politely introduced himself. but then after the meal was served and the trays were taken away, donald trump started putting his hands all over her and grabbing her. here is some of her video interview with "the new york times." >> if he had stuck with the upper part of the body, i might not have gotten -- i might not have gotten that upset. but it's when he started putting his hand up my skirt, and that was it. that was it. i -- i was out of there. >> the other woman in tonight's "new york times" report is rachel crooks, who is 22 years old in 2005 when she was working as a receptionist in a company
located in trump tower. here is how the times describes what happened the first time she saw donald trump in the building and introduced herself. they shook hands, but mr. trump would not let go, she said. instead he began kissing her cheeks. then he kissed me directly on the mouth. both women said that watching the presidential debate on sunday was infuriating, especially this moment. >> just for the record, though, you saying that what you said on that bus 11 years ago, that you did not actually kiss women without consent or grope women without consent? >> i great respect for women. nobody has more respect for women than i do. >> so for the record you're saying you never did that? >> frankly, you hear these things said. and i was embarrassed by it. but i have tremendous respect for women. >> have you ever done those things? >> and women have respect for me. and i will tell you, no, i have not. >> in a telephone interview with "the new york times," donald trump said none of this ever took place. shouting at the times reporter who was questioning him.
mar el lago in florida where she was working as a photographer's assistant. ray charles was performing. tasha dixon, a contestant in the 2001 miss teen, let me say that again, miss teen usa pageant said this today about donald trump. >> he just came strolling right in. there was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or something. some girls were topless. other girls were naked. to have the owner come waltzing in when we're naked or half naked in a very physically vulnerable position, and then to have the pressure of the people that work for him telling us to go fawn all over him. >> and tonight robert costa is reporting from "washington post" that donald trump intends to make good on his threat to "the new york times." he says that donald trump's lawyers are drafting a lawsuit against "the new york times" that could be announced at any moment. and nancy giles, a lawsuit that
still sort of seems like a he said-she said in a way. but these women did tell people contemporaneously what happened. we also have a pattern of behavior from trump that is pretty clear. the thing about these october surprise series that they're not surprising at all. >> right. donald trump issued a statement tonight in which he said the campaign anyway said to reach back decades -- this, by the way, please listen to every word of this. this is so ironic in light of what the trump campaign has been up to. to reach back decades in an attempt to smear mr. trump trivialized sexual assault. and it sets a new low for where the media is willing to go in its efforts to determine this election. maria teresa, that's the guy who reached back decades sunday night to invite women from decades ago in bill clinton's life to the debate. tonight the trump campaign says you must never, ever reach back decades. >> well, and he did it purposely
to intimidate and humiliate his opponent in the most grossest of ways. because she could not control what happened 30 years ago that had nothing to do with her but her husband. that's what is absolutely obscene. but what donald trump has, his hardest part is actually taking ownership of when he does something wrong. the fact that we have types of him, decades long tapes of him going on howard stern, degrading women constantly, even making fun of how he actually can interact with his own daughter can make us feel uncomfortable. this is a pattern. this is who he is. if americans want to vote for him, let's be clear. this is the person who he there. is no plan b and there is no other donald trump. this is the person that we are seeing every single day. and most recently, lawrence, i think you saw he was at a pennsylvania rally, and he said look, you know that i'm a snake. you voted me in. you nominated me. so he knows who he is. and now he realizes that it's women who are going to get him to the white house. i said this before. it's going to be ironic that now
we have muslim american military family that is going bring him down. we have a latina beauty queen that is going to bring him down and women are going to bring him down. >> i want to read another piece of the statement because it is just breathtaking. he says it is absurd to think that one of the most recognizable business leaders on the planet with a strong record of empowering women in his companies would do the things alleged in this story. and nancy giles, this is the campaign that firmly believes catherine willie's story about bill clinton in the white house when he was rather recognizable as president of the united states. >> oh, yeah. >> if you're going with the unrecognizable guy won't do this theory, how do you explain what they're saying about bill clinton every day? >> you don't. because it doesn't make sense and it doesn't follow any kind of logic. i guess roger ailes could say the same thing about his network where he employees a lot of women and he is also -- you know, it brings up a couple of things for me. and i want to echo something maria teresa said.
and that's how gross it is he tries to conflate his action was bill clinton's. i am in no way condoning anything bill clinton did. but hillary is the candidate. and there is something kind of sexist about him kind of bypassing her and going to bill as if there is anything going there that can balance his reckless actions. anybody that watches "law & order" knows that if you're a defense attorney, you're going to defend even people that have done horrible things. so what is he trying to say about hillary? he's got nothing to say about her, and any kind of actions she might have done that are equating to what he did. >> everyone should be reading this "new york times" piece tonight or tomorrow. but i want to read one passage of it. because it takes you into the life of someone who has this kind of thing happen to them. this is rachel crooks. and it's her boyfriend at the time who is describing what he came home to that night. he said i asked how was your day, mr. hackenberg recalled. she paused for a second and then
started hysterically crying. after ms. crooks described her experience with mr. trump, she and mr. hackenberg discussed what to do. i think that what was more upsetting than him kissing her is she felt she couldn't do anything to him because of his position, he said. she was 22. she was a secretary. it was her first job out of college. i remember her saying i can't do anything to this guy because he's donald trump. and anna marie, that is one of the looks inside one of these horrible stories. >> i mean, i don't know where to begin. you brought me back, quite honestly. i mean, i have to say, i am very concerned for a lot of women out there. because i was brought back by that statement by something that happened to me when i was a young woman. i would be so shocked if the other two women you're speaking to haven't had something similar happen to them. something like that happened to me when i was young and i couldn't do anything about it. that is what happens to women. that is why this is so
preposterous that if donald trump wants to go to war on this, this is such a different animal than what happened with bill clinton. for one thing, as we are saying, bill clinton is not running for office. for the other thing, donald trump is a predator. he is a predator who thinks that his so-called celebrity can allow him to do anything. there are women that want to show that's not possible there are women that want to say, no it doesn't allow you to do anything, and i'm going to show you by voting against you. >> what -- >> i just want to follow up one thing with anna marie, and then i'll come to you. i want to hear you all on this particular point that i'm about to ask. i want to go, anna marie, to this perception that mr. hackenberg, that her boyfriend had at the time. it was his perception in the passage i just read that he felt that she was more upset, more upset by the feeling of powerlessness after the fact than the actual moment in his company. >> i think that describes
perfectly what happens for woman when this happens. in the moment, you actually have some physical agency unless it's somebody a lot bigger than you, which does happen. but you can kind of turn away run away. it's afterwards when you realize you can't do anything about it and if it happens again you also can't do anything about it. this is toxic. this is completely toxic for trump's campaign. he will not recover from this. >> maria teresa, please go ahead. >> this is the silver lining. people across the country are having these conversations with their husbands, with their spourks with their sons. these are the limitation. this is when you have to have consent. this is the only thing i think will actually bring to the top how pervasive this is in our culture, and the fact that no one is going to be getting away with it is i think fantastic. i have to applaud the athletes. the athletes have come out and said this is not wanter in the locker room. this is not acceptable. you actually see men coming forward and saying we have to stop this and making sure that women feel safe in their own
agency. >> i have appreciated that so much, hearing the athletes saying what we talk about in the locker rooms are stocks and bonds. >> right. >> what the traffic was like on the way to work. and i also have to say how much i really hate that part of what is being said by his campaign is these aren't matters that interest women. this isn't what is important. women want jobs. yeah, they want jobs, but they want to feel safe in the workplace. they want equal pay, and they don't want to feel like someone in authority can bully them or sexual assault or harass them. so this is one of the most important things i think, one of the most important issues facing this country and facing the world, frankly. so i'm glad that it's getting out there and getting some steam. >> we have a lot of video to get to tonight, and a lot of ground to cover. so we're going to have to go to a break in a moment. i just want to -- nancy has made the point that on howard stern, donald trump, and we don't have the time to play this right now. we're going to play it later in the show. donald trump bragged about the fact that he owns the beauty pageants and the teenage girl beauty pageants allows him to
walk into the dressing room whenever he wants, to and he picks the time to walk in there that is most exploitive. and ana marie, we have that on video. that's another donald trump confession on video that he is joking about with howard stern, that he never thought was going to come back to him in his life. but there is the confession already on video for what he is accused of tonight. >> yeah, there it is. this is a pattern for him not just in the way he talks about women, but the way he talks about almost everyone. i know you have been very observant about this. probably the other women on this panel have been observant. he exploits whoever he can when he can. he thinks less of people who are not as powerful as him. that means women, minorities, people who are disabled. he manipulates and controls whoever he can. and he thinks he can get away with it. i think the stern stuff is just another sign of him thinking he get away with it. he was so open with stern because he thought it didn't matter. he thought his power and his celebrity and his money would
allow him to say whatever he wanted. >> go ahead, maria. >> he also -- and it's not just women and minorities and people of color. it's also small businessmen. >> right. >> anybody he feels that he can trample with and basically get away with it. there was a piece where a man who sold him $100,000 worth of pianos and came back and said sorry, i'm just going to give you 70,000. the idea that he is above the law. he understands tax code enough to write these things off is really -- it's not only unappealing. wait a second, you have learned how to play the system so well that you feel you don't have to be accountable to anybody. i think that this 18-month cathartic exercise we've been doing with donald trump is actually very good. because we actually now can have conversations on when people talk about white male privilege, he is the epitome of that. nobody else would be able to get away with what he is doing. >> hillary clinton is taking the stage in las vegas. we will go to her as she gets into that speech. but i just want the make the
point, nancy, that donald trump has always thought this is funny. that's what you see on the tape with billy bush. it's funny. he thought it was funny with howard stern. >> and it's not funny. to echo what ana marie just said, not only it is not funny, but it's rude. it's disgusting. and he has gotten away with it. that's the thing. he continues to get away with it. so i think it encourages him to exhibit the same behavior as he gets way with it again and again and again. and it is not locker room talk. as if even if it was just talk, it wasn't a painful, horrible thing to lobby at someone. but locker rooms across the country have said nah-ah, we don't talk about that. >> i was in a lot of sports. i have never heard anybody, and i know a bunch of crude guys. and i have never heard anybody brag about sexual assault, ever, nothing like what that guy was talking about on that bus.
and the -- rush limbaugh today discovered that the problem -- and he really did discover this today. he said the problem is consent. ana marie, he said the only thing liberals care about in terms of sexual behavior is consent, that liberals are okay with everything else, as long as it's consenting adults. and rush limbaugh didn't realize that yes, that is correct that is precisely the position. as rush is thinking there are all these other things that should be condemned like homosexuality and all these other things, the only things they seem to care about is sent. >> and he was offended. i. >> i think and there is a silver lining here. i remember i actually heard rush
limbaugh say that live. i happened to be somewhere where he was on. he did say this in this astonished voice. another person could read that same statement much as you did and it's a statement. whereas he was shocked by it. >> it's really stunning. nancy giles, maria teresa kumar and ana marie cox, thank you all for joining us. i appreciate it. >> thank you, lawrence. >> we're going to continue monitor hillary clinton at that speech in las vegas, and continue with more of our guests joining us. i think he is a very dangerous man for the next three or four weeks. those interest words of the reporter who has been covering donald trump longer than anyone else. wayne barrett was the first reporter to take on the myth of donald trump in "the village voice" way back in the 1970s. donald trump tried to stop wayne barrett every way he could think of, including trying to bribe him and threaten him. but wayne barrett stayed on the trump beat and paved the way for so much of the investigative journalism that has been done on
donald trump since then. we're joined now exclusively by wayne barrett, the author of "trump: the greatest show on earth, the deals, the down fall, the reinvention." also joining us david corn and msnbc political analyst. wayne, i've been wanting to talk to you about this for a long time. and just the simple question. as donald trump said or done anything in the last year of this campaign that has surprised you? >> grabbing the pussy surprised me. even those words come out of his mouth. and i was a little stunned by that, lawrence. it's great to be here with you. certainly the stories of today do not surprise me. this ability to roam the earth looking for someone to grab is not surprising at all, but saying i grabbed them by the pussy, that surprised me.
>> and wayne, you knew him and were covering him before his big rise to fame, and certainly before he had his own tv show. do you sense that giving donald trump his own tv show, that was a kind of heroin for him, that it took all of his worst traits and amplified them? >> yes. i think his worst trait obviously he objectifies women. but what he really has done is objectify himself. that's why he talks about himself like trump. trump did this, trump did that. the process of objectifying yourself is totally connected to the camera. because that's his -- that's his lifeline. and i really think that one of the reasons he tweets at 3:00 a.m. is because there is no camera around to talk to. so the camera has become -- the camera has become his lifeline.
and he has turned himself into an object, which is basically the great story of his life. d it's -- it's as if he is so disconnected from human emotion other than anger, he is so disconnected from human any form, including the children. i mean "art of the deal" he mentions them once in his first memoir. tony schwartz who wrote it said they were never around and he never talked about them and never interacted with them. of course they didn't live with them. ivanka was 8 when they moved out. and yet he gets great credit for raising these kids. but they haven't been close to until they could make money in his company. and so i think that the disconnect between him and the
life most of us live is really profound and deep. >> and i want to bring david corn in for a second. david, i just wanted to read a report from bloomberg today that says bannon, steve bannon told trump staffers according to advisers who are present, this has nothing to do with consensual sexual affairs and infidelity. this is bill clinton. we're going turn bill clinton into bill cosby, meaning that's why they're not using any of the women who were allegedly involved in consensual affairs with bill clinton. they are simply using the ones who say that bill clinton behaved with them the way donald trump admits to behaving on that "access hollywood" video. >> you know, i was talking to some trump people over the weekend before the new allegations emerged. and we were just talking about the video. and they said trump has only one play, to go nuclear.
and the interesting thing to me is the only nuclear play that they saw was attacking bill clinton for behavior from 20, 30, 40 years ago that had been reported, litigated, that, you know, only marginally is connected to anything you can say about hillary clinton when you had to know, this is not a surprise that donald trump was as vulnerable or somewhat is vulnerable on this front. even before these women came out. there have been already cases that had been published in the guardian, the "new york times" and elsewhere where these allegations against donald trump. and i think wayne makes a great point about trump objectifying himself. trump is a commodity. he is a brand. he is not a human being in a lot of ways it seems. and that's how he has been selling himself. and he seems oblivious to anything that goes on in the world outside of his own concern with his own brand, his own
commoditification. and therefore i could easily see him running to wage the very type of attack that he would be vulnerable. to one last point. i wrote a story a couple of months ago that he -- that people around him in the start of his campaign wanted to have a vetting of him. have opposition research conducted on trump, which is kind of common for most national campaigns. he said no. now we know why. >> wayne, i have to say, you know -- sorry. we're going go live to hillary clinton now, her speech. >> well, he has doubled down. he doubled down on his excuse that it's just locker room talk, and i got to tell you, after he said that in the last debate, the most amazing thing happened. athletes and coaches started speaking out. from the nba, from major league
baseball, from the nfl. they're coming forward and saying hey, not in our locker rooms. that's not what happens. but he is not just insulted women. he is an equal opportunity insulter. he has insulted everybody. he insulted a distinguished federal judge who was born in indiana, and he said well, he couldn't be trusted to be a judge because his parents came from mexico. he has targeted immigrants, african americans, latinos, people with disabilities. he has targeted p.o.w.s and muslims. he has also targeted our military. he has called our military a disaster. now how can you be the commander in chief if you don't respect the men and women who serve in the united states military? i think he has shown us who he is.
now the question for all of us is who we are, right? what are we going to do to show -- >> i want to go back to wayne barrett as hillary clinton continues her speech there in las vegas. wayne, a point i wanted to make is i had consistently predicted that donald trump would not run for president. and i was right every time, except the last time. and the reason i was saying that is that i had been reading your reporting of back i guess when i just got out of high school. and all the reporting about donald trump in the meantime. and i saw what was there. and just your reporting alone is an opposition file unlike we've ever seen on a presidential candidate. and i just -- i know donald trump knows that it's out there. i just couldn't imagine him leaping into this. were you surprised that he decided to run for president finally? >> yes, i was. but keep in mind even when this video emerged, part of the trump defense has been well, he wasn't
running for president. >> yeah, yeah. >> and so he said and did reckless things. in fact, he ran for president for four months in 2000. roger stone ran that campaign. he tried to get the reform party line. he pulled out. and as i wrote in the book in 1988, he was flirting with it. he referred to marla as his southern strategy. he didn't think ivana would be presentable in a national campaign. and he thought that marla maples could help him carry the south. patiently he doesn't need marla to carry the south now. race will do it for him. but he has been talking about this, thinking about this. roger stone, who has been with him for 30 some years the night he was nominated, posted that this was a celebration of over 30 years of work together. and so they've been thinking
about this. and yet he would still behave while he was considering being a presidential candidate most of his adult life, he would still behave in this totally reckless way. >> wayne barrett, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i really appreciate it. really appreciate your perspective on donald trump. and david corn, thank you for joining us also. >> sure. >> really appreciate it. we're going to stay monitoring hillary clinton's speech. i think we're going to squeeze in a break here. and we'll be right back. ces in y life. so when my asthma symptoms kept coming back on my long-term control medicine. i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment with breo. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthmcontrol medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won't replace a rese inhaler for sudden breathing problems. breo opens up airways to help improve breathing for a full 24 hours. breo contains a type of medicine that increases the risk of death from asthma problems and may increase the risk of hospitalization in children and adolescents. breo is not for people whose
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we're continuing to monitor hillary clinton's speech in las vegas. these are her first public remarks since the new allegations have come up tonight against donald trump. the behavior that donald trump admitted to on the "access hollywood" video that appeared on friday is tonight being corroborated by several home with have come forward today to say that he did indeed touch them and kiss them without their consent. let's take a look at what donald trump admitted to in that "access hollywood" video. >> use tic tacs in case i start kissing her. i'm automatically attracted to beautiful. i just start kissing them. it's like a magnet. you just kiss. and when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. >> whatever you want. >> grab them by the [ bleep ]. do anything.
>> joining us now, michael steele, former chairman of the republican national committee and an msnbc analyst. also with us tim miller, a member of the never trump movement and a former communications director for jeb bush's 2016 campaign. gentlemen, i'd like to listen to what is now a more relevant tape than it was even yesterday. and that is we're going to hear donald trump with howard stern admitting that he does indeed when he owned those beauty pageants and the teenaged beauty pageants, he would indeed walk in deliberately on the girls when he knew they were undressed. let's listen to this. >> well, i'll tell you the funniest is that i'll go backstage before a show and everyone is getting dressed and ready and everywhere else. and you know, no men are anywhere. i'm allowed to go because i'm the own over the pageant. i'm inspecting it. is everyone okay? they're standing there with no clothes. is everybody okay? and you see these incredible
looking women. and so i sort of get away with things like that. >> michael steele, it's only october 12th. >> yeah. >> which means we don't yet know what the october 13th surprises are or the 14th or the 15th. >> yeah. no, there is clearly a lot more to come. there as you noted earlier, lawrence, a long history here that has been reported on. and now in light of these new accusations as well as what we got from last friday, i think this funnel opens up. and it's a huge, huge problem for the party. it is a huge problem for the campaign. there is no walking around this gingerly. there is no putting a good face on it. this has been dealt with, confronted directly. and i don't know how this party or the campaign does that. >> i just want to play something john boehner said earlier this evening where he basically was
on fox news saying he didn't see how this could get worse. let's listen to this. >> what more could be said? in this election cycle than has already been said? >> so you seem to think that we kind of already know what donald trump is all about, and that nothing further could come out that would make any difference? >> it can't be any worse, could it? >> well, that's a good question. what do you think? >> i don't think so. >> and tim miller, that was minutes before "the new york times" posted this story tonight of these two women coming forward saying yes, he did to us what he says he did on that "access hollywood" video. >> i love speaker boehner, but this line of thinking was way, way too common within the party. and donald trump told us all we needed to know last year. the very first question of the very first debate was megyn kelly to donald trump going through all of the nasty,
demeaning, harsh, cruel comments he had said about women over the course of his life. and obviously worse and lower comments have come to light since then. but we knew that. and a lot of washington leaders, including speaker boehner unfortunately said oh, ted cruz is the devil. he can't be that much worse than ted cruz. now we're stuck with this guy. and it's a major, major problem for our party. and it's going to be something we have to rebuild from for years to come. >> gentlemen, if you can bear with me, we want to try to fix our break structure here. so we're going work in a quick break here. we went quite a distance without a commercial earlier. a quick break here. we're going to continue to monitor hillary clinton's speech in las vegas. we will come back to that if she responds to in any way to the news about donald trump tonight. we'll be back with michael steele and a tim miller after this break. mom,
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tonight, this time from "people" magazine. "people" magazine has a report on a december 2005 incident involving a "people" magazine writer natasha stoinoff. she is driving what it was like for her when she was working on a story in 2005 that brought her to mar el lago and donald trump. there came a moment where she found herself alone in a room with donald trump. "people" magazine carries this account from natasha stoinoff breaking what happened. she said we walked into that room alone and trump shut the front door behind us. i turned around and within seconds he was pushing me against the wall and forcing his tongue down my throat. i was stunned and i was grateful when trump's long-time butler burst into the room a minute
later as i tried to unpin myself. the butler informed us that melania would be down momentarily. and it was time to resume the interview. we're back now with maria teresa kumar who has rejoinedteresa, w the october 12th surprises continue almost by the minute. here is "people" magazine, obviously this has been a legally vetted, carefully legally vetted report. they would not publish it without that. reporting that this reporter alone with donald trump at mar el lago with melania his wife upstairs, and donald trump shut the door behind us. i turned around, and within seconds he was pushing me against the wall and forcing his tongue down my throat. that is precisely what he said
to billy bush was his modus operandi. >> it's what he tried to do with the woman on the airplane and the receptionist. this is clearly a pattern. but your just reading that statement, lawrence was gut-wrenching. i can't imagine any viewer right now not even in tears or feeling uncomfortable. he is taking us to a very dark place. and the fact that these women are sharing their bravery with us of sexual assault, i have to applaud them. because it's something that cannot be easy. and it's finally giving voice to so many people out there that feel that they have been alone for so long. and i feel that this is we're on october 12. but not only is this a pattern, but i can expect more. and hopefully things that are not more ruthless on his ability to prey on women. >> and i just want to read another passage in this. it's a long report. i just want to stress, this is
"people" magazine. that means this has been vetted by very high powered corporate lawyers who know exactly where the libel laws protect them and where they don't. they are lawyers completely unwilling to take the slightest risk with this kind of report. she says that an hour later, i was back at my hotel. my shock began to wear off and was replaced by anger. i kept thinking why didn't i slug him? >> ana marie was saying the same things. when women get into places where they're vulnerable, you end up feeling that you did something wrong. and that is precisely what a predator wants you to do. that's about what someone that basically practices sexual assault wants you to do. but again, i cannot put my arms around any republican that can possibly stand by his side. this is not leadership if they continue feeding this monster
and saying he is okay and fit to be president. the fact that he preys on the most vulnerable, that he encounters, you can only imagine what he would do not only to the rest of the country, but now the world. there was -- j.r.rowling said a tweety she did want his hand on the nuclear weapons and someone said but you're not an american. >> but i'm the world. a country which is incredibly diverse, which thrives on entrepreneurship and thought and differences. >> a loug someone who has clearly shown his stripes to us from the very beginning to come in and try to basically distort and destroy our balance of power. he has been a ruthless going more recently as you mentioned earlier, threatening "the new york times" for suing him on a story that is clearly increasingly validated, being a predator towards women. the fact that he went after a
federal judge saying that once he is in office, he would basically strip him from his judgeship, and going after hillary clinton saying if he wins that she is basically going to be put in prison for a political opponent. this is not america. this is much more closely tactics that you see in russia. and something of a dictator such as putin that many folks in russia would agree than something that is done by a person running a country that has checks and balances, that has a judicial branch, that has a congressional branch, and that has the oval office. >> and anna ma marie, there is here about this reporter's reaction to this natasha stoinov is her name. and i just wanted to read some of it. it's too difficult to read some of it. she said why didn't i slug him. why couldn't i say anything? the next morning anger became fear. i had been up all night worrying about this.
and ana marie cox, the pain that's being expressed in the aftermath of these incidents is so deep. and it's hard to read. oh, we don't have ana marie cox. nancy giles here with news the studio. this is the part where you've seen me trying to read this. it isn't easy. >> it's awful, it's awful. as woman who has grown up in new york and has lived through kind of rude things that guys can sometimes say in the street, construction workers, being on a packed subway and feeling somebody pressing up against you, they're bad enough. what these women are describing is just god awful. and, you know, i can only repeat and agree with what the other two women on the panel have said. it almost doesn't seem like america. you wonder how somebody that started his campaign with such horrible things said about mexicans and the accusations, the claims that all black people are dodging bullets and living
in hell and taking a judge, with his own ego and his own remarks kind of coming back to choke him, it's almost shakespearean because his ego in the end and his need to be on tv and on the radio and throughout and publicized, and a big important person, those are the exact words that are going to come back. and actions i think will haunt him. >> we're to be take a break. we're waiting for donald trump's threat to sue "people" magazine over this report. he has already threatened to sue "the new york times." "the times" article, the "people" article, those articles are vetted by the very best lawyers that exist in this country. the likelihood of there being an opening for a libel suit against either one of these articles is very unlikely. we'll be right back.
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statement from an unnamed spokesperson of the trump campaign saying, quote, this never happened. there is no merit or veracity to this fictional story. why wasn't this reported at the time? mr. trump was the biggest star on television, and surely this would have been a far bigger scoop for "people" magazine. she alleges this took place in a public space with people around. this is nothing but politically motivated pile-on fiction. of course there is a lie in the trump statement. she does not say it took place in a public place. she specifically describes the door being closed. and no spokesperson at the trump campaign has any authoritative capacity to say, nancy giles, this never happened. >> how do you know? you weren't there. you know what i think has really brought it out is there he was at the debate, asked specifically about this. and at the debate, with millions of people watching on
television, he said he never did it. and i think for anyone who was in a situation where he did grab or grope or anything like that, it must have been like a slap in the face. like the whole thing being experienced again. and i think that's why you're going to have more and more people coming out saying this happened to me. >> tim miller still with us, republican campaign professional. tim, is there anything they won't do for money over there at trump tower? is there anyone on that payroll of the trump campaign that when they read a story like this refuses to say this never happened? is there anyone there who knows none of them have the moral authority to make that statement? >> no. look, with the exception of one or two people, all these folks were hired after the convention this summer. kellyanne conway is the third campaign manager. she saw all of the op about donald trump over the last year. she saw all the nasty comments he made about women. she saw all the nasty comments he made about the disableded and hispanics and veterans.
all of these people are completely, you know, in league with him and enabling him. so now they're going to have to spend the next 27 days either in hiding or continuing to put out statements like the one that you just read that lies and defends him. i don't understand what they get out of it at this point. >> michael steele, i guess there is just a template over there for this never happened press release to put out for whatever the next accusation is that comes out. >> well, yeah. they're kind of used to it by now. kind of roll it off the desk and put it out there. you know, that statement i suspect probably came probably from trump himself to say it, even though it was anonymously given. that's how they can say that. but the fact of the matter is this is just the beginning of the floodgates. you put it i think very aptly, lawrence. you know, what is tomorrow, the 13th going to offer us?
what is going to be the surprise on the 14th? this is not a good space for anybody in the country. it's particularly the party in this campaign. someone is going to have to put an end to it. and the only person who can do that is donald trump. >> and david corn, any other women out there who had been thinking about maybe telling their stories when they see other women coming out, that can only be possibly an encouragement or possibly give them the sensation that, well, at least they're not alone if they do tell this story? >> every reporter who has worked on the trump beat the last year has gotten tips and leads about women and this sort of treatment. it's not a secret. and as we've seen in the bill cosby case, the once people start coming forward, there tends to be more, not less of that. but i got to say for all those republicans out there, anybody who may be surprised, this guy for years has shown his
misogynistic, racist, bullying, bigoted side. so a person like that engaging in this sort of behavior really comes as nothing other than in keeping with everything we know about him for years. and so all those conservatives who are still on the trump train and the people in congress, you guys knew. you gals knew. and there is absolutely no excuse. i salute people like tim miller. i disagree with him on almost everything else for knowing that character counts and you can see what type of guy trump was from a mile away. >> maria teresa, let me get a quick last word from you on this. >> i think it's exactly what david corn is saying. how can we as americans actually stand by and allow this person basically a free pass? every single woman that is coming out, if you notice, it's the exact same pattern. and my hope is that those women keep coming out and that they're brave and they keep having these conversations. but also we recently did a -- posted something on voto latino
trust the president. new reporting on the president's humiliation of jeff sessions in the wake of the mueller appointment. and the treasury secretary's new excuse for asking the government to subsidize his honeymoon. >> they had to give up a lot to take these jobs. >> "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. the most prominent voices of the trump base discovered today what many of his business associates and customers learned long ago. if you're in business with donald trump, eventually you're going to end up on the wrong side of the deal. this afternoon in an off-camera session with reporters on board air force one, the president defended his decision to work with democrats on a deal to protect undocumented immigrants who came to the country as children. in exchange for increased border security. >> i'm a republican through and through, but i'm also finding that sometimes to get things through, it's not working that way.
and, you know, we got very poorly treated on the health care plan. we have to get things passed. and if we can't get things passed, then we have to go a different route. >> since last night when chuck schumer and nancy pelosi emerged from dinner with the president, announcing they'd struck an agreement to extend daca, the obama-era deferred action for childhood arrivals program which the president recently moved to end. there's been an extended back and forth given the white house and capitol hill over what exactly was agreed to, if anything. the president tweeting this morning, no deal was made last night on daca, massive border security would have to be agreed to in exchange for consent, would be subject to vote. minutes later he went on to advocate for the democrats' position tweeting, does anybody really want to throw out good, educated, accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in military, really? well, yes, actually, really. for instance, his own attorney general. who wants to do just that. argued without basis that daca
recipients disadvantaged native-born workers. candidate trump himself said daca recipients should stay with their families but they all have to go. today the president told reporters he would agree to protect daca recipients even if he doesn't get his border wall in exchange. >> the wall will come later. we're right now renovating large sections of wall. massive sections. making it brand-new. we're doing a lot of renovation. we met last night with, as you know, schumer, pelosi, and a whole group. and i think we're fairly close but we have to get past the border security. mitch is on board, paul ryan is on board. ryan and mcconnell agree with us on daca. we're very much on board. >> the reactions from ryan and mcconnell themselves were considerably more circumspect. mcconnell saying in a brief statement, we look forward to receiving the trump administration's lins lave proposal as we continue our work on these issues. ryan said the president and chief of staff told him there was no agreement. but among the anti-immigrant
john poe dead sta was the chairman of hillary clinton's presidential cam taken 2016, counselor to president, who issued daca in 2012. are you surprised by the developments in the last 24 hours? >> of course, think everyone's a little bit surprised. but i think we got to get out of the politics of this a little bit and remember what's at stake here. 800,000 young people, as president trump himself tweeted this morning. good kids, hard-working, in school, in jobs, in the military. and i think that last night he met with the two leaders, they struck a deal, and he should push forward with it. more border security in exchange for making daca permanent. that will be good for those young people. it will be good for the country. i think a majority of the public would support that. >> one point. border security funding, we should say. it's unclear whether that will actually produce more border security. but in terms of the underlying truth of this, i agree with you. i think 800,000 actual
individual human beings with lives and -- but that's been the case throughout. i mean, it's not like the politics are a sideshow. the reason barack obama had to issue daca as an executive order is because the votes weren't there with the republican congress to do it statutorily. >> i agree with that. i think that the republicans have been reluctant to do it. but now they have a republican president hopefully who will be pressing them to do it. he's gone a little bit back and forth on it through the course of the day. but he seems to settle in the evening again on the idea that these young people need relief. and he's promised to give to it them. and i think that if that means, you know, angering a couple of breitbart readers and some talk radio hosts, then he should go ahead and do it. because these people need that relief. i think, as i said, he made the deal. now we can see if he is a person who, you know -- it surprises me to say this, but we'll see
whether that when he sits across the table from the democratic leaders and makes a promise, whether he'll make good on it. >> well. yeah, i mean, i wouldn't -- i wouldn't bet too much on that, given his history. but here's a question. you were in that white house with president obama. you watched him work on a variety of issues and get stonewalled. you were campaign chair for hillary clinton. had she been elected president likely would have worked in the white house, chief of staff, something like that. you and i both know there's no way there would be a single republican vote for a dream act to be cemented into law if hillary clinton were president. ryan and mcconnell would never bring that to the floor. how do you understand that? how do you understand the fact that in that universe, the same bill would be a nonstarter, but if donald trump signs on, they can probably pass it? >> i was with -- in the white house with president obama in 2014 when he tried to get comprehensive immigration reform. and there was clearly a majority of votes in both houses. there were republicans who favored it, there was a solid --
the entire democratic caucus would have voted for it. but at that time, congressman boehner, speaker of the house, couldn't bring it forward because he was afraid of the right wing in his party. i think the same thing was probably true of senator mcconnell. now i think that president trump is pressing them and saying, look, i will take the flack from the right if you push this forward. and we'll see if he's got the gumption to go forward with it. certainly hope that he does. as i said, at the end of the day the politics are sort of -- sometimes the white house looks a little bit like a clown car, you're never sure who's getting out the door. but at the end of the day, he said he would provide relief to these people. they need it. and he should make good on that. >> i raise the hillary clinton question, hillary clinton of course will be a guest of rachel's just later on after this show. she has a new book out. how do you understand what would
be different in this country if she were president right now? >> well, i think everything would be different. i think we'd have a different foreign policy. a different domestic policy. she certainly put forward an economic program that was focused on providing -- trying to focus on raising wages for the -- for working people, for the middle class, to raise the minimum wage, et cetera. instead we have a white house that really has been dominated up to this point by special interests. people who are really more interested in getting favors for his friends in the business community. there's been essentially nothing passed through congress. and on the foreign policy side, i think we've had an erratic foreign policy. in which our allies are really confused about where the president wants to go. he thinks that's like keeping everybody guessing. i think mostly it keeps people off-balance in knowing how to
deal with the major threats from russia, from north korea, et cetera. so i think she would have been a steady hand in foreign affairs. i think most importantly she would have been fighting for the working people that he claimed to argue for in the campaign, but has been really i think abandoned since he's gotten to the oval office. >> thank you, john podesta. >> thank you. >> for more on the backlash to a potential daca deal, jennifer rubin, "washington post." lonny chen, senior adviser on marco rubio's 2016 presidential campaign. a few of my favorite reactions. hannity blaming congressional -- if the reports true 100%, i blame rs. they caused this, they wanted him to fail, and now pushed him into the arms of political suicide, if true. breitbart calling him amnesty don. what do you make of the reaction? >> i'm having a wonderful time, i must say, chris. listen, the republicans made a deal with the devil and now they're getting bit.
this man they knew was unreliable, they knew was a narcissist, who had no principles, and now he's pulled the rug out from under them. so listen, donald trump will say yes to whoever is in front of him and whoever he thinks is going to give him the most applause. so this is where he is. poor jeff sessions who was called an idiot but stayed on so he could deal with illegal immigration and legal immigration -- how's that going, jeff? trait, i think what's happening now is something very positive. that's kind of need the surface. as reported today you have both the house bill and now a senate will. championed not by two gang of eight republicans, not two rhinos, but people like jim langford of oklahoma. and tom tellis of north carolina. rock-solid republicans. they have a bill, a little tougher than the dream act, but it's within the parameters that chuck and nancy talked about. they're going to be dropping that next week. and this is going to go forward. the question is will paul ryan
balk and get paralyzed and frightened by his freedom caucus? or put something on the floor? so i think despite himself, we're probably going to get through with amnesty don and get something tort dream efor the d. >> sure, rush him bah and ann coulter and those folks will be upset. think the trump base, actual voters, will be fine with it. here's some evidence. a policy analyst at demos, a great analyst, he cited research from byu saying, telling republicans trump supports liberal immigration policy makes them support liberal immigration policy. like he could tran substantiate things into being a tough populist trumpian position by virtue of him advocating it. >> i think you're absolutely right. i'm not convinced this really hurts trump's standing with those who supported the president. look, here's the thing. you look back to 2013. donald trump met with a bunch of
dreamers in his office. i remember working during the 2016 campaign for marco rubio. this was an issue during that campaign. ted cruz and others brought it up in an effort to discredit donald trump. but i actually think at core this idea of helping dreamers, this is probably something that donald trump has always at core wanted to do. the challenge is now he's facing political headwinds because there are republicans that don't want to do it. the republicans at this point politically are in a very, very difficult position. and donald trump is the one who's put them there. because they're going to have to basically support this thing if donald trump supports it, certainly. and even if he flips at this point, the republicans have been put in a very tenuous position. it's the right policy by the way to help these dreamers which brings me back to chuck and nancy, which is that no one here should have any illusions about whether this deal happens, how long this rapprochement is going to last. i feel like i'm a little skeptical of the -- any new trump story seems to me suspect, jennifer. >> yeah, i don't think they
trust him one whit. i think they snookered him. i think they put him in a box on this and he tripped up himself and the republicans. i think -- chuck and nancy did not just fall off the turnip truck. they know exactly what they are dealing with. and they are trying to figure out ways to, first of all, increase the divisions within the republican party, and boy did they succeed in doing that today. and secondly, see if there are ways, big ways, little ways in which they can get something that they want. if they get dreamers, these people would be heroes. they control nothing and they would save the dreamers without a wall? that would be remarkable. >> lonny, where do you think this goes next? >> yeah, you know -- i'm not quite sure where it goes next. as with anything in the trump is thecy, who knows what's going to happen tomorrow. i think republicans at this point -- it's a very difficult situation. because there is this base pressure. and while chris to your point donald trump may not face that base pressure, guess what, congressional republican dozen. >> that's right.
which is why they're so squeezed. if he puts them in position to abandon their principles or go against him, there's like no daylight for those folks which is what makes it so fascinating. jennifer rubin and lonny chen, thank you both. i wrote some more thoughts on daca that couldn't fit in the show. find them on our facebook page at all in with chris. breaking news, north korea fired a ballistic missile east ward. japanese government said the missile flew over the island of hokkai hokkaido. this is the second missile fired by north korea over japan in the past three weeks. the launches came as north korea continues to threaten the u.s. pacific territory of guam. the white house says president trump has been briefed on this latest episode. michael moore is coming up. and the incredible story about the time president trump called jeff sessions an idiot to his face. that's next. i count on my dell small business advisor
the president angered by sessions' decision to recuse himself in the russia probe and by the appointment of a special counsel, "told mr. sessions that choosing him to be attorney general was one of the worst decisions he had made, calling him an idiot, and said he should resign." mr. sessions would later tell associates the demeaning way the president addressed him was the most humiliating experience in decades of public life. according to the "times," administration officials convinced the president not to accept the resignation and sessions decided to stay on for the chance to crack down on immigration. which he got earlier this month when he, to great fanfare, announced the end of daca. an achievement that might be short-lived, considering the president and democrats are now reportedly hammering out a deal to make daca permanent. glen thrush, "new york times," is working on a book about the president. ashley parker. glen, this is operate great reporter here. the humiliation seems a particular recurring theme in the lives of trump subordinates.
>> well, i think if you sign on with donald trump, you got to wear a flack jacket, to say the least, maybe even a cup and a helmet. look, i think the issue with sessions is once trump sours on somebody, and my colleague maggie haberman and i reported earlier in the spring that trump had been infuriated with sessions for recusing himself from the investigation, which by the way was a no-brainer. and virtually no one else, apart from donald trump, thought that sessions did anything wrong with that. once you have established yourself on the wrong side of donald trump, that's the first ingredient. the second ingredient is once you have not stood up for yourself in a sufficiently stout way, he will purchasish you aro. i think that story extends to the president. jeff sessions, every time he goes out on a limb, as he did with daca, when he stood there and made the announcement himself, he heard behind him the sound of donald trump sawing the tree limb out from under him. >> that's actually -- i got to
think that it's not coincidental. i remember thinking to myself, when sessions was made the point person for this, this is weird. people commented. it is very weird the president's making one of the most consequential decisions of his administration and he is not the public face for that. instead it was jeff sessions. now it doesn't seem so accidental. >> on this decision especially. it was a decision that the president told friends, aides and confidants that really he wants to get out of. he wanted to not make a decision at all. he really does see both sides of the dreamer issue. keep in mind this is a president especially who understands imagery, he understands that taking these young people, many of whom as you tweeted served in the military, are valedictorians, are upstanding members of society, does not play well in terms of a narrative, did nothing else. so i think part of the reason he sent sessions out there was, you know, as glen said, to sort of saw off the limb of the tree, also because it wasn't something he was capable with and he and
his aides understood him standing up there, he would not be able to make the forceful case. indeed, he undercut it this week. >> right. right, and i mean, it was notable that sessions didn't make just the legal case but the substantive case, basically that it's bad to have these people taking american jobs. there's a question, glen. one of the interesting things here is, there's sort of i think a unanimous view among folks that the comey firing was catastrophic. and someone convinced him when sessions tenders his resignation, and i think they gave him the correct advice, if you fire sessions, that is absolutely nuclear. and he listened this time, apparently. >> well, look, donald trump has a very acute sense of self-preservation. it's one of the reasons we see his new chief of staff, john kelly, gaining some traction. trump will push things up to the edge. and if he makes the determination very rationally that the action will boomerang on him in an unacceptable way, he won't do it. as you said, one of the really interesting things about the comey issue was that was a
catastrophic decision. steve bannon himself said it was one of the dumbest moves in modern political history, most damaging moves. and the reverberations of that are extreme. what's very interesting is, one of the few people who counseled him to do it, remember, was his son-in-law, jared kushner, who thought democrats of all people were going to come around and support trump because in defense of hillary clinton. so i think what you're seeing over time, at least, is a progression where his sense of self-preservation at least has become better. so the decisions that he tends to be making seem to be more rational. >> there's also -- my theory often is that it's like forcing air into the balloon. and eventually the pressure overwhelms it. we've seen times of, ashley, relative kind of -- i remember down the stretch in the campaign, it was prompter trump. it was about how kellyanne conway and steve bannon have one, one, one message. it did last three or four weeks. as someone who covers this interest meat, there's no -- is there a fundamental alteration
in how that white house is functioning? >> no, i don't think there's a fundamental alteration. and even general kelly went in saying, i'm trying to control the things i can control. the information flow to the president. the people he sees. how he interacts with them. but not the president himself. so there isn't that fundamental shift, although we are seeing stuff in the margins. but to your other question about sort of the way we can see trump scripted and then going off-script, i always think that's exactly right. i think of him as sort of needing a release valve. when you see him give a teleprompter speech, then he goes wildly off-script at a rally or sends out a tweet, it's as if he needs that release. >> to that point, the president basically went back to his very controversial charlottesville comments again today where he essentially took time to blame the other side, meaning the not-nazi side, a retrenchment yet again.
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resistance as it's called has been more powerful and more successful than anyone could have imagined immediately after the election, when everything looked so bleak for so many. the documentary filmmaker and activist michael moore now has a broadway show "the terms of my surrender" about resisting president trump. and he joins me now. it's good to have you here in person. >> thank you very much. >> you're working just a few blocks away. >> yes. in a broadway theater. actually, i learned recently, tell me if this is true. you directed lin-manuel miranda's -- >> first musical. >> in high school. >> yes, as a senior in high school. >> you were his director. >> i was his director. i brought to life the vision. >> the man who gave us "hamm," you were his first director, that's impossible. >> i know, it was amazing. it's funny, i can still hum the tunes of that show, which was a 20-minute musical that featured a maniacal fetal pig in a nightmare that he had cut up in biology class. >> bob, let's go to a clip right now if we can. >> i want to start with this.
you and i talked that first -- it was a night or two after the election. >> yes. >> people in the streets. we've talked since then. there are two arguments to be made about what's happened. one is that the resistance really has achieved more than people thought it possibly could have when you go back ten months. >> right. >> the other is that people are still punching themselves out in the same way they were during the election. which of those do you think is more accurate? >> oh, the first is more accurate. you mean the punching out? you mean between the bernie people and hillary people? >> no, i mean there's people who still say, the base is still with them, you're making these arguments you tried to make in the election, they didn't work. they like the fact that he is who he is, blah, blah, blah. >> right, no, i think the base is probably still with him. i think that's true. and we have a lot of work ahead to remove him. because the republicans in congress have already polled their gerrymandered districts. they think they have a pretty good chance of coming back next year regardless of what trump
does. >> they really do. >> impeachment is not around the corner. people are hoping bob mueller can somehow indict him but there's a lot of constitutional questions about that. and he can indict him after he's a civilian, after trump's a civilian, then we can indict him. then i think our only question is going to be, do we try him as an adult? that will be the only thing yet to be determine the. >> in terms of when you look at these big fights, the fight over the muslim ban, held up in the courts, going to be appearing before the supreme court, the aca repeal fight, my read on the situation is, the activists and the organizers and the politicians and the legal -- aclu and folks like that have provided a friction against him that has been stronger than i thought it would have been. >> yes. and that is in part because our opponent is not well. so we've taken advantage of that. we feel bad as liberals because you want to be nice to people who are not well.
but you can't let someone behind the wheel of the car, you know, if they're intoxicated. and you have to pull them out. so what we've done is we've ob obstructed him and we continue to do that. all the legal groups are going to continue to take him and his people to court. the resistance will be in the streets. it will be at town halls. we are recruiting people in congressional districts and state assembly and state senate districts for next year. people are going to win. >> this year i should note, this year the state -- there's a challenger i think in every state delegate district in virginia, which has -- >> exactly. >> i think is -- >> exactly. and we're not -- we, the people, are not leaving it up to the democratic party, god bless them, to actually come up with a stellar list of candidates. because a lot of the poobahs of the democratic party believe that they should be running more moderate or more conservative candidates. and that is the wrong way to go. and that is exactly how we'll lose. >> i want to return to that.
but i want to ask you about chuck and nancy, as the president calls them. >> chuck and nancy. >> they have their dinners -- >> i had them over for dinner last week. did you? >> they never have paid for a meal. >> did you sign a deal with them too? >> they're going to go for me on my new tv series. >> did you actually have dinner? >> no, no, no. i have -- >> that would have been plausible. >> i have been in the room and i've watched them eat, does that count? >> yeah, sure. >> all right. >> we watch this -- the last week or two, there was the debt ceiling, now the talk of this possible daca deal, what's your reaction? >> first of all, i of course believe pelosi and schumer may trump told them that he would, you know, not hurt these daca kids and we're not going to build the wall. of course he said that. and i'm sure he said something different 20 minutes later. again, not well. all right? so -- >> is that your -- i want to be serious for a second, is that
your genuine read on him? because people talk about this and i -- there's no -- i really personally shy away from remote diagnosis. >> yeah, not me, though. >> i know that, i'm making sure to be clear about attribution here. >> you are not qualified to do that, i am. >> that's my question, that's your read on this? you mean that -- a jokey way? >> i don't mean a jokey way. that's part of the problem. the other part of the problem is that in my show every night, one of the first things i ask the audience to do is repeat after me. "donald trump outsmarted us all." and there's a little throw-up in everyone's mouth at that moment. >> that's a good bit that is a good bit. >> well, because, you know, he did figure out how to convince 8 million obama voters to vote for him. >> right. >> the majority of white women to vote for him. he figured out, get this, where the state of wisconsin is. >> right. >> and go there. all right? so he wasn't -- so i do think that there's this kind of, you know, kind of mad genius --
>> cunning. >> cunning, clever. >> hold that thought. because you just mentioned the show. i was walking in the neighborhood the other day. i saw that you had the show. but i saw the marquee and i was overwhelmed with envy. >> oh, oh, envy, oh. >> yes, that you have a show on broadway. stick around, can we talk about that after the break? >> you're on nbc, dude. >> we'll talk about that after the break. a trip back to the dthe doctor's office, mean just for a shot. but why go back there, when you can stay home... ...with neulasta onpro? strong chemo can put you at risk of serious infection, which could lead to hospitalizations.
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surrender." what's the show? >> the show is two hours every night of me telling stories. we do some fun stuff on the stage. there's a game show every night. where people can win prizes. and -- but i talk about some of how -- some of the things i've been through in my life, stories that nobody knows about. and then i talk about people who make a difference. just how one person. nobody's from nowhere, as we're called, can come out of that, none of us are nobodies, we don't live in nowheres. the show, it's funny, it's very pointed politically. and by the end of the show, i'm handing out armbands and machetes and we head over to trump tower. no, not really. it's a joke. it's a joke. but what we -- i believe that i belong to the majority in this country. and i think that people are still in despair since the election. so they come to this show. by the end of it, hopefully less
despair and more ready to give them some of the things that we're all going to do. >> one of the things i've always found interesting about you, from the time i first saw "roger and me," i've read a bunch of books and seen your movies. you have this self-identification with where you're from. and i think that there's this certain critique of the kind of liberal elite from the right that can be very caricatured and wrong-headed and sort of unfair. but there's such a thing as this sort of bubble, right? i mean, broadway audiences kind of epitomize that. >> that's why i'm here. >> i'm curious. what are you trying to tell that audience that's paying to see you? >> i'm in the capital of liberal america here. >> right. >> and liberal america and the democratic party didn't get us in the white house. even though we're the majority, even though we have 3 million more votes, we hold no power tonight. so therefore i've come to the place where our liberal establishment exists, as a voice from the midwest, and also i come to the city that gave us
donald j. trump. and every night -- >> just a few blocks away, yes, i'm a few blocks from trump tower, where he grew up in queens, and i asked this new york audience, what the -- hm -- >> did you do. >> because if trump had come from flint, michigan, i don't think i could show my face on this show, i'd be so embarrassed that i didn't stop that years ago. why didn't new yorkers stop this? >> funny you say that. one of my theorys about donald trump is that you actually can't understand him unless you understand the racial politics of new york city right. >> crime in the '80s and '90s, the idea the city was being destroyed, wilding and the central park jogger. that is the crucible he was formed in. it's interesting you talk about that. people think, he's very much a new york figure and a new york politician. >> yes, and grew up in the same borough as archie bunker. >> that's right. >> that's where "all in the family" was set. >> exactly right. >> so you're right about the racial element of this.
where it took -- to trump it's "those people." those people, you know. and it's -- >> new yorkers like to tell themselves, we're in the most tolerant city in the world. that's not new york politics but very much there's a real tradition of that. >> no this is the city that gives us fox news. "the national review." rush limbaugh started here, wabc. i can go down the whole list of how much redneck, conservative, right-wing politics has come out of new york city. >> right. >> so -- but i mean, i -- >> you mean redneck ironically? >> yes, yes, of course. >> i want to be clear. >> no, i'm saying that -- yes, but they -- yes. >> right. >> that's what i'm saying. >> michael moore, "the terms of my surrender," here in new york. how long's it running? >> to october 22nd. and i made a deal with the schubert organization that the balcony is $29. because you know how broadway is. >> that's fantastic. >> i wanted people to come. come to the show.
i have a surprise guest that appears every night. if you would come on one night after the show -- >> it's no longer going to be a surprise, but yes. >> oh, that's right. >> i'll run over after the show. >> yes. if you'll do that, i would love you there. it will be your broadway debut. >> that's also true. >> you can show lin-manuel what a real actor does! >> thanks so much. take care. still to come, president trump's millionaire treasury secretary is explaining why he wanted the federal government to subsidize his honeymoon. you know who likes to be
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carter pictures of his hands to prove they weren't small. and decades later when it came up during the campaign he spoke at length about his hands, even spending four minutes telling "the washington post" how he has zero issues with his hand size. >> i mean, people were writing, how are mr. trump's hands? my hands are fine. you know, my hands are normal. slightly large, actually. in fact, i buy a slightly smaller than large glove, okay? >> you chose to raise it during a debate, can you explain why you had no choice? >> yeah, because i don't want people to go around thinking that i have a problem. i'm telling you, ruth. i had so many people. i would say 25, 30 people would tell me, every time i'd shake people's hands, oh, you have nice hands. you have good hands. >> but that was then when he was merely a six-time bankrupted businessman running for office. now that he's president he can't
still be insecure about his hands, can he? that's "thing 2" in slightly less than 61 seconds.
look at those hands. are they small hands? and he referred to my hands, if they're small, something else must be small. i guarantee you there's no problem. i guarantee you. >> for a guy who has no qualms whatsoever about the size of his hands, donald trump sure talks about his hands a lot. today in florida the president struggled to slip on gloves while helping serve meals, eventually giving up on the glove. >> too small. >> we assume he was referring to the gloves being too small. because two weeks ago while slipping on the gloves in a houston shelter, he was loud and clear.
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officiated the ceremony. she came under fire after posting this instagram picture of a couple getting off a government plane in kentucky where they watched the solar eclipse for top billions of dollars in gold. in addition to tagging luxury clothes and accessories, et cetera, she condescendingly ripped into cop mentor, do you think the u.s. government paid for travel? apparently, it wasn't for lack of trying. we have learned that he asked for a government plane. he later with drew the request for the office of inspector general. an air force spokesman said the ask was unusual and could have cost taxpayers $25,000 per hour. asked about the requested to, mnuchin said he did nothing
wrong. >> my staff wanted to make sure that i was constantly had access information so they put in a request to request for flying and ultimately, we with drew it. >> secretary and assistant president barack obama. you interface with cabinet officials as your job. do you buy the idea that steve mnuchin's concern for national security was so great his staff was concerned he would be a threat to national security if the government didn't pay for his honeymoon plane? >> i absolutely don't buy steve mnuchin's explanation. there is plenty of time for cabinet members are allowed to fly on personal airplanes. there are other accommodations that can be made along the way. this is a continuation and the
da m ethics from day one of this administration. >> they did withdraw the request, one has to note but the thought i had was if it going to cost $25,000 an hour for you to work to fly around for your honeymoon, you can just not take the honeymoon. you were the general counsel for the department of defense. what advice would you have given in that situation? >> i certainly wouldn't have been flying on a government plane for my vacation. no question about it. i think we need to look at the laws that govern our people in top jobs and we need to have laws that contribute to the safety of america but that protect the american taxpayer and that should apply to president trump as much as to his cabinet. >> there is another story today about the swamp that really pulled me over. the acting director of the office of government ethics, the trump ethics watchdog moves to allow anonymous gifts to defense
funds. this is a move to allow anonymous unanimous contributions to funds, which are into the pocket, the bank account of individuals who are paying for legal expenses. what do you think of that? >> i'll say that, chris, this is a little foreign to me, no pun intended. i worked in the obama white house for four years. i never hired a lawyer. i never knew anyone that hired a lawyer. i ran the 2008 transition. i never met with russian officials. i don't know what it's like to have to hire a lawyer. i'm sympathetic to people in the white house. there are ways to do this. you need to have sunshine and disclosure and ensure the people making contributions don't have business before the government. or this becomes sanctioned bribery. >> yeah, jill, the idea that someone could give -- write a $10 million check to the defense fund seems to be problematic. >> it is. the question still remains if they have done nothing wrong, why do they need $1,000 an hour
lawyer? if all they are is a witness to an event, if all they are is testifying to a conversation they over heard, they should be able to go in and testify without any legal representation. >> i think i disagree with that. i disagree. if my friend said i'm working -- go back to the clinton administration and bill clinton and his folks would say there are a lot of people that didn't do anything wrong that need to lawyer up. if your friend said i've been called before muller or talk to investigatiors wouldn't you tel them to get a lawyer? >> i'm not sure i would. depends what they have done and if they just over heard something or actually participated in it. i might seek counsel to find out whether what i did was illegal but i don't need to have somebody with me when i'm testifying to protect me if i haven't done anything. i mean, i think it's great that donald trump has given so much work to defense lawyers and now it looks like to ethics lawyers
and possibly conflict of interest lawyers. so lawyers are definitely benefitting from this administration. >> chris, are you confident that we know the full details of the possible vectors of undue influence that are functioning in this white house right now? >> not at all. every day there is a new way this administration is trying to erode the ethics standards. not just the white house staff but the example this president or lack of example that he sets, and that's why all of these different issues and stories that you are flagging all come together. when you have a president that doesn't take ethics seriously, this is what happens. >> yeah, i think there is really a question, you talk about ethics and sounds like not strong enough, right? ethics sounds like a thing like oh, you should do that. you should be a boy scout. ultimately ethics will bleed into laws and the concern is what the legal exposure that folks may have as this all develops. jill and chris, thank you both
game hunting in some areas the lions can no longer find enough to eat because their natural trait is also targeted by poachers. we come from europe so we like lions but that's easy for us to say because lions don't produce any direct threat to us but here it's not simply a matter of telling people to live in harmony with lions because they're only dangerous species you really have to help them find ways to better coexist with lions and that's what we're trying to do. conflict some not uncommon in july and phillip are responding to an emergency call for a cow was attacked by predators near a mass i village the livestock is valuable so the villages are understandably upset . aware of how research the mochas call in galle are mama simba the mother of the line. there.
she takes a look at the injured animal there's a nasty wound on its side the company survive because the pharma succeeded in driving away the attackers. in a level what i say here forever so we're told it was a lie and. the scow they are writing the problem. they probably made it should be ripped us punched michelle killing response to keep our lips was one of england's colleagues tends to the wound in order to save the young how it is hoped that free treatment like this will encourage the villages to become more tolerant of the lions but that requires patience. when they're angry they. claim that all the lions are my lions you know kind of resolve it here and now this is not the place for it but we're going to be here we're going to be kind and polite and. all get opportunities to talk them. out
in order to help curb the amount of conflict between the muscle and the lions in guillot wants to know more about the animals. that's why she's fitted some with collars that transmit their whereabouts to her computer via satellite techniques such as g.p.s. one nine s is currently sending signals from the middle of my country. just download the data here. and among the callers one is on my own with that i'm female that i may get getting a bit worried about because i haven't received positions for for some time for her . to maybe check that's check on her we've meant pattered where she said. the data provides very reliable information about when the lioness
was where. i don't but it's not possible to determine what she did there and whether she was alone or with others. a male member of the pride was killed right where now you know me is holed up that has worried she has no idea how the rest of the pride is doing. her and her adult daughter they had cubs earlier all last year. a way of saying that while some locations a couple of months back but now it's been a good while a source says wallace to see. so that's all say i'd like to see she's still with the cubs. phillip and are out looking for the lions they are not so easy to find because england's research study area is around two thousand square kilometers in size how
many lions are there the research is hope the photo traps will help them find out. it's not common to find traces of lions here a dried out pile of dung is reason enough to set up a camera the photo traps provided by the conservation organization had zero are useful for gathering evidence of animals that would otherwise not be seen. in. this photo trap has been monitoring activity near a watering hole for some time a few animals venture out in the light of day like this but boone. it's only under cover of darkness the most dead to come out of hiding. and then giraffes appear. mongooses.
buffalo and small wildcats like this silva. there may be a wide variety of species here but never more than a few of each and their timid might there be a line to. the. indeed they are. or what you left so that's pretty exciting it was clear to large lines triggered the photo trap right in the heart of mass i can treat when lions are spotted here they are usually from the nearby serengeti it's one of the few protected areas in africa with a healthy law and population has plenty of natural prey that just as they used to be in large parts of africa.
was. the serengeti is home to around three thousand lions when young males reach the age of two or three they leave the pride and set off in search of their own territories in doing so they often leave the safety of the national park and pass through mass territory. men like roman lady leah are employed to make sure that they don't get killed along the way he's one of several local people who are helping in gala protect the lines. in dallas been living in tanzania since two thousand and six she's fluent in swahili having learnt it over the course of how many years here. they are going to go out of life they were very i think when he was ill. at. eighteen months and now work for england they enter steady salary that's part funded by now blue germany's
nature and biodiversity conservation union formally the men made a living selling cattle or doing our jobs and getting my life is definitely changed i can support my family with the money i earn i've got my driving license and i've learned a lot about technology such as g.p.s. and man monitoring out of audio in. the masses are traditionally livestock farmers that's why roman used to feel very differently about lions. tell me yours i've killed three lions the first time i used a spear but i use another one on the other tree in a way that you have to hold a. muzzle i won't use who've killed lions are regarded highly in their community. but that's also why they are very helpful to engage in her work. and they know them very well. and lots of the tracking skills comes from hunting the.
marlins. appreciates the worry is kills when it comes to finding lions but also their social standing because they have great influence on their clans you can convince something. i cannot. they're the best ones to their other family members and neighbors to take all of. the money roman has done a lot of lobbying on behalf of the alliance he's also gone from being a lion hunter to a line protect. there was a time when it felt good to kill a lime but i would not do it again the job i have now is far more satisfying than i'm going to end up and as a. people and their herds have greatly altered the african wilderness and it's not easy for lines to adjust iommi to his suffering and dylan's team are still hoping
the transmitter will help them locate or. they still don't know how she and the rest of the pride of fairing using an antenna the messiah has managed to find naomi signal can be heard. she's somewhere deep in the bush i think that we'll have to try tomorrow morning. to call them up earlier so we can't we can't get in to see her she's lying out in a very sheltered area which is clever to stay away from from. conflict so. the research is won't venture into the lion's den that would be too dangerous. the next morning they are back to try again this time they even listed the aid of a giraffe carcass. past.
the arm the guest in the after we lost track of them yesterday we found a dead giraffe in the thicket because we can have a few bits to lure them out it might give us a chance to catch sight of her with her young but you're wrong too on the clean. but the meat is not enough to draw the lines out of hiding the researches use another trick they play sounds that. well attract the predators attention they begin with the cries of a buffalo calls looking for its mother for the lions that's a sign of easy prey. it's not long before the first interested parties appear. next in gala and phillip road const the laughter of hyenas. they hope this will bring the lions out of their land since lines enjoy snatching food from their
smaller competitors i. was. was. the hyenas all around the lions remain in hiding what i was predicting as the sun climbs higher in the sky philip and decide to stop for now but they planned to give it one more try so they take the bait with them nothing would be left if the hyenas were to get it. no sooner have philip and driven off than the herders arrived with their livestock around two hundred and fifty thousand cattle sheep and goats all scavenging for food in the area the land is being ravaged as a result of over grazing.
from before herds were brought in the region was home to around a thousand lines. today philip and in gila estimate there are around fifty mean. year. so what we can see here is an extreme case there are far too many cattle here so there's almost no natural vegetation left. wild ungulates in this area struggling to survive the few lines that still live almost have no other choice but we'll catch a. fish from the not so and. livestock attempted attacks happens maybe not for nigh on me on a daily basis but if you times per week i can imagine there is something where seventy take a percentage. of what you say came. to me with such a large number of cattle there are always
a few stragglers the lions pick off under cover of darkness they wouldn't survive otherwise. lie on me and i only moved on during the night that's why we have to try again now this is my only take ten with a bit of luck will get it this time thing. the dead is back in place and once again the sound of the last buffalo calf fills. move. a shadow appears near the dent jurong but it's another hyena. but then in the darkness the shape of other animals it's her naomi and she's not
alone at first only the experience lioness inspects the dead animal she's the one wearing the transmitter collar. the. grown daughter also appears with her young they're easily startled. week. finally the cubs dared to approach the carcass to eat. apprehensive that they disappear at the slightest hint of danger.
several attempts are required before curiosity finally wins out. only once to drag the meaty mosel out of the headlights and into the darkness but it's been safely secured and phillip are relieved the cubs are not any alive they also look healthy state. there are several males among them that's good news because they could help repopulate abandoned areas since male lions often roam over great distances there are four lion cubs feasting on the giraffe they've been spared the fate of their father who was killed one of the cubs seems to prefer the wire attached to the bait
to the meat itself a sure sign that he is not hungry. but the lions a jumping. older daughter is startled by her own cubs playing in the tree. the young seem more care. free than the mature lionesses. naomi finally manages to pull the giraffe a few meters into the safety of done us. not only is a fantastic mother during the day my side were here with sounds of cattle and
nobody sense their presence. when we started the play back when the giraffe was already light out we heard the radio signal she was close but she didn't come out until it was dark in the halls of congress and. she's very careful and that can be seen in her movements to the slightest noise she left again. like gives us hope that the young will make it despite the large number of people and cattleman's because they got my only looking after them was called. the office result only lines like naomi can survive in a world dominated by humans there's less cautious are long dead but ideal habitats like the anger on google crater will only be accessible to roving animals if safe corridos a set up between protected areas because lions need space but what does that mean for own minds in africa will this soon just be a few isolated populations like the one in the crater populations that are well
protected but suffer as a result of inbreeding i think if the trend has been for for a long time that the lander scatting fragmented and protected areas of becoming more and more isolated from other protected areas i think that the crater is kind of a schoolbook example of what's happening in many men. the areas not only in africa but across the world that manderson if we want to have lines in africa or in fifty or one hundred years time then western countries have to help by offering financial support they have to say ok we want to protect these animals so we will help you find a way of co-existing with them. the king of the beasts faces difficult times. and he can't overcome them on his own.
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shock waves through the president's already shell shocked west wing. "the new york times" reports, quote, the agreement adds another unusual aspect to a case never seen before in the alans of presidential campaign finance history. it means that a company that operates as a news organization is cooperating with federal authorities on an investigation that involves its work with the campaign. today's development was likely put in motion by tuesday's guilty pleas from michael cohen, the president's former fixer who existed at the intersection of hush money and tabloid brush fires. the times explains the role of david pecker's media company in what could turnout to be an investigation into something that looks a lot more like a conspiracy. quote, the court documents filed tuesday in connection with mr. cohen's guilty plea provided a far more detailed account than previously known about the payments made to suppress women's stories about mr. trump that could have threatened his election prospects. for his part, trump got on the
ends, what you just said. chuck, i want to ask you to drill down on these violations, these crimes that cohen pleaded guilty to, the fact that he testified in court on tuesday during that guilty plea that they were payments directed by donald trump, and now this news today that the head of the "national enquirer," the owner of it, has accepted immunity to agree to help with the prosecution. tell me what that means. what have they discovered and what are they still looking for? >> let me take the last part first, nicolle, because i think there's a really important unanswered question about david pecker and the immunity that he received. so, did he receive it a while ago, a few weeks ago, a month ago in order to help prosecutors make the case against michael cohen? or did he receive it recently, even as recently as when cohen pled to help make a case against others in corroboration of
cohen? and so not knowing the answer to that, it's entirely possible that it was the former that they used mr. pecker to sure up the case against mr. cohen. to thank's point, and i agree with you, frank put it chillingly but also accurately. prosecutors rely all the time on the information we receive from cooperateers. i don't call them flippers. i think that's a ridiculous word. i find it curious that the president knows so many. people who work in law enforcement tend to know folks who cooperate, but for the president to say he's been surrounded by that for 30 or 40 years, i think underscores frank's point that it sounds a bit like a mob family. but this is in many cases the building blocks of criminal cases brought by the fbi and justice department. so this is a sad day when the president is basically saying that cooperation with federal prosecutors in pursuit of the
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brought up the news. trump and pecker have been friends for years. according to the trump friend, pecker regularly flew on trump's plane to florida. pecker should become ceo of time magazine. he'd make it exciting and win awards. just how isolated is this president and what are the public facing signs of that, jill? >> this is arguably the most isolated that this president has been. he is somebody who really puts a premium on loyalty. he expects it from the people who are around him. and again and again he's had people who are close to him now turning on him. take michael cohen as the prime example. this is a guy who said he would take a bullet for trump. he would do anything to protect his family, operated on his own trying to crush stories trying to up had the president. he made this dramatic admission in court, accusing the president of ordering him to make these hush money payments to influence the election. you have everyone from him to pecker and now a long-time friend of the president who kind much played this key strategic role apparently including during
the campaign, to even omarosa who is somebody who had known the president for more than a decade and starred in his reality show. the president talked about how he made her a star. people around the president, whether it is for their own legal survival or whether it's just omarosa's case, apparently to make a buck, are willing to sell out this president. and that's made him furious. you know, you can see just from watching this white house, from even watching cable television, how few people have come out to defend him. there's been frustration among people who are close to the president who are close to the white house, that there's been very little kword nagcoordinati. there's been little effort to get them on the same page when it comes to talking points to help guide them through what the president would like them to say. and you just see from sarah sanders' statements on the podium yesterday, very little, coordinated defense to help the president. >> frank figliuzzi, one of the reasons i understand to be the cause for that is that there is no defense. the president didn't tell his
own lawyers what the facts were in the cohen case. they didn't understand his legal exposure in the cohen raid and in all the days since they haven't been brought up to speed. so why would anybody defend this president? and do you find it surprising -- you know a little bit about this relationship between mr. pecker and the president. why would immunity be given to someone like mr. pecker? what does he know about donald trump? >> well, you don't just handout immunity, as chuck knows. it's something that's done when two things are present. one is you believe someone may be exposed criminally, and number two, you believe someone has value in adopting. and so what cooperation could there be here? this relationship with the president dates back easily approximately 20 years, and so pecker has ridden on trump's private jets. they hang out with the same women. he also, by the way, goes way
machine. there is -- fox news often promoted the stories when they appeared in the "national enquirer." a classic planting of stories and campaign benefits from said stories. can you talk about that operation and how it's being investigated now as a campaign finance violation? >> look, we talked on this show a few months ago, nicolle, about how stormy daniels and a.m.i. media could be greater exposure for president than the mueller and russia angle. and this is why. it is an important cog in the president's business and personal machinery of business. how he does business and gets around the world. he has affairs. he has payoffs and cover ups. he wants to call in a political hit on somebody, he plants a story in a tabloid. this is how he did business -- >> story in the campaign -- >> for years and years he did business this way. we now look at the enquirer as -- if you want to see who is up and who is down in the trump world, you can read it. now the prosecutors have that
entire empire by the short hairs. they can see it and have a cooperating witness who will tell them all they want to know about it. we are going deep inside trump world here, and deep inside his vulnerabilities -- just entirely apart from russia. this is how he did things for years and years, and now the cover is off. >> chuck rosenberg, it seems like two things are happening in the same moment. that what this week has exposed is donald trump's extreme anxiety and paranoia over the special counsel and investigation as well as donald trump's really sort of rotted under belly of his personal and professional life before he became president. the president has not coincidentally really upped the ante on his attacks on the mueller probe. where do you see the intersection of these two investigations, and do you think it gives bob mueller a little breathing room, that all the action in this week seems to be in the southern district of new york? >> it probably does give him a
little bit of breathing room, small pea politically speaking. legal and factually, the mueller team investigators and prosecutors keep chugging along as they should. they're probably paying less attention to these political dynamics than we are. what's interesting to me is that the president does seem cornered and he is lashing out, including at his attorney general who for the first time seems to be pushing back, which i think is an encouraging sign. again, i would caution people, though, to be a little bit careful with the analysis of the immunity given to mr. pecker. it could have been just for the limited purpose of corroborating the case against michael cohen. of course, i mean, there are probably other folks he knows about including others in the trump orbit, you know, donald trump, jr., jared kushner, roger stone, and he might be helpful there. but at least immediately, his
knowledge and his information may have been used only to sure up the case against cohen. >> i guess the reason we draw the president into it, chuck, is that in the most dramatic moments when he red counts 7 and 8, implicated the president as the person who directed those payments, i don't mean to overstate the president's involvement, but the president is on tape as well talking to michael cohen about what they would do if pecker got hit by a bus. they needed a plan because if he got hit by a bus, they had to bring all of that work in-house, was the nature of the conversation, partial conversation we heard on tape. so, you're not saying that the president isn't exposed here. you're just saying that the immunity deal with mr. pecker may have been narrowly focused on what cohen was charged with this week? >> that's right, nicolle. i don't think you're overstating it. i mean clearly there is a possibility, very real possibility that mr. pecker is being used both to help sure up the case against mr. cohen resolved by his guilty plea and
ongoing kalss against the president, you're absolutely right. also the mueller team can use anything mr. pecker says if they decide one day only to write a report to the deputy attorney general that could be used in an impeachment proceeding so there could be lots and lots of stuff that comes from mr. pecker that's valuable to prosecutors down the road. i just don't -- i would just like to know the timing of the immunity that he received so i could help assess who it was really for the limited purpose of mr. cohen or something broader than that. could be both. >> and, jill, at the heart of this news is the fact that cohen and pecker both dealt with the things that most embarrass the president. he's known to be a little frugal, but he threw money at people who could make the most embarrassing episodes of his life go away and it may have been to help his campaign. it certainly seems to be the sense this week. may have been to keep him out of trouble with melania. that is a known unknown. i want to read you a tweet from "the new york times" reporter plag i haberman who reported
things including things to do with, for instance, the trump tower meeting with that russian lawyer. but i also want to say that sources in the white house are also pushing back on that narrative. something you would expect. but here they're saying that you have got a white house that at this point is so numb, that is so used to the incoming every single day, that they have dealt with now for a year and a half, that there is not the kind of, you know, alarm that they used to feel early on in the administration when that flynn -- michael flynn news was breaking and things like that. they're just sort of used to now how this president operates. they're just kind of -- wait and see how he's going to react and figure out how to contain the damage. >> it's also a white house where the person they work for tells his supporters not to believe what they see or they hear. so it's hard to accept any push back at all. i'm sure your reporting is spot on, jill. but it's hard to believe anything they say. i want to bring you in, nick, on news that broke 12 minutes before we came on air. trump sought advice on pardoning manafort but they counseled against it.
this is according to his lawyer rudy giuliani. i'll read you the first couple lines here. president trump sought his lawyer's advice on the possibility of pardoning manafort. the subject of the pardon came up while manafort was on trial on multiple charges of bank fraud and tax evasion and the president was expressing his anger at how federal prosecutors had beat up and mistreated the former trump campaign manager. there's no understanding that federal prosecutors work for him. they work with the department of justice. he appointed the attorney general. chuck correctly points out that we had a rare and welcome push back from jeff sessions to the on the attacks against the department. what is going on that the president is so eager, so reflection reflexively desperate to let criminals be pardoned from their crimes? >> he doesn't see the department separate from himself. he sees the government and his powers as the president as tools to punish his enniz, reward his supporters, make things happen, make problems go away. he seems very willing to use the
pardon power for his own personal political benefit. the fact that he was willing to consider it before there was even a verdict in the case shows a certain contempt for the process of justice that he is supposed to oversee as the nation's chief law enforcement officer or commander in chief, i should say. it's astonishing but not surprising. the white house was saying at a press conference, sarah huckabee sanders, i had no knowledge of these discussions. well turns out there were discussions. >> there were discussions. sarah huckabee sanders with no knowledge of much. jill colvin, thank you for spending time with us. when we come back, the open warfare between the president and the justice department escalates. is a high-level firing next? also is donald trump the branding guru gets rebranded as an unintentional co-conspir store? a member of the house intelligence committee joins us to discuss whether the president's fixer will make a return trip to his committee. and republicans go there. the "i" word getting thrown around more and more. stay with us.
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justice department, i always put justice now with quotes, it's a very, very sad day. i put an attorney general that never took control of the justice department, jeff sessions. never took control of the justice department. even my enemies say that jeff sessions should have told you that he was going to recuse himself and then you wouldn't have put him in. he took the job and then he said, i'm going to recuse myself. i said, what kind of a man is this? and by the way, he was on the campaign. you know the only reason i gave him the job because i felt loyalty. he was an original supporter. he was on the campaign. he knows there was no collusion. >> what kind of man is this? someone who follows the law as you should find more for your west wing staff. this time jeff sessions isn't taking trump's attacks lying down. he hit back just this afternoon in a rare rebuke of trump's comments. quote, i took control of the department of justice the day i was sworn in. while i am attorney general, the actions of the department of justice will not be improperly influenced by political
considerations. i demand the highest stand ards, and where they are not met, i take action. joining nick and me at the table, mara gay, "the new york times" editorial board. chuck and frank are still with us. i want to come back to you, chuck, you started the conversation in the last block. jeff sessions taking, as you said, a rare hard line against the president. has the president crossed some line for sessions, do you thin ? >> oh, dear god, nicolle, the president has crossed only lines so often. >> for you and me. sessions doesn't often rebuke the president he serves. >> right. hallelujah. so, what the men and women of the department of justice look for is leadership. and whether or not they personally like mr. sessions, they respect the office of attorney general. this is a person who has to stand up for the rank and file. and today he did. i'm not a huge fan. i think you know that. but today he did the right thing and it is heartening to see the attorney general -- it shouldn't
be heartening. it should be absolute baseline. but it is heartening to see him stand up for the rule of law and to say that political considerations have no place in his world. hallelujah. >> let me come back to you with one more, chuck, because i think there is a tie here to the president and this concept of his definitions of loyalty. in that tape he said the only reason i gave him, sessions, the job, i felt loyalty. he was an original supporter. he was on the campaign. he knows there was no collusion. he also said in an interview with nick's colleagues -- actually everyone's colleagues. interview with "the new york times," what he wanted at the justice department was his own roy cohn. and he admired eric holder because of this idea that holder protected obama. what does that sound like you to? >> well, so, he embraces and he values loyalty, yet when jim comey said that the president asked for my loyalty -- in fact, it's the name of jim's book, higher loyalty. when the president asked for his loyalty, the .president dispute
that, said he was making this up. comey is not making this up. you can see the emphasis this president puts on that trait. he wants loyalty from everybody else. he expects loyalty from his attorney general. he wants a roy cohn. how can we possibly dispute the fact that he asked comey for comey's loyalty? >> i don't think clear minded people do. frank figliuzzi, let me bring you in on this. the president also said i put an attorney general in who never took control of the justice department. my understanding is that by recusing he actually got himself in with the career law enforcement people who advise on recusals and i'm sort of -- with chuck, i'm not a big fan of the zero tolerance child separation policy or other things that he's done there, but the idea that he didn't take control of the justice department, he seemed to in that act of recusing himself, fall in line behind the public servants who gave him that advice. >> we have to give jeff sessions credit for doing the right thing. we don't know all the reasons
for it, but clearly he's earned the respect in speaking out today and in previously recusing himself. look, it's kind of -- there's another motivating factor going on here i think for mr. sessions, which is it's a little bit like someone who is not allowed to read the weather forecast but looks out the window and sees the storm clouds forming. he's been emboldened by the recent events the last couple weeks. he sees what's happening. he's not getting briefed in but he knows they're closing in. he's feeling emboldened and he's doing the right thing. the other thing is with regard to the president, the know, demanding loyalty, he continues to be all about the president. the merger of self-interest with national interest being the exact same thing is what we're seeing here. it's all about him. >> what the president demands is not loyalty. what he demands is craviness. we should check our impulse to feel any sense of sympathy with jeff sessions. certainly the people at the border who have suffered so
grieve usually at his hands should know that very, very well. look, one of the things i find so striking here is that here is an attorney general who supported trump from the beginning. i think he was the first senator who came out and endorsed trump. he has stood behind trump on policy after policy after policy, and he has remained attorney general even when last june or july the president began dumping on him publicly and viciously and in the most humiliating fashion. there is a great benjamin franklin line. he who lies down with dogs will wake up with fleas. that's the story with jeff sessions -- >> i agree with you 100%. i guess the reflex, though, is not one that -- elizabeth warren, i think it's under the category, the enemy my enemy becomes my friend. it was stunning one of the days he was under harsh attack, now i believe he's under investigation for some of those public
statements about sessions, was the day some of the democrats in the senate took up after him. but your point is a good one and well taken. what do you make of the fact that jeff sessions and rod rosenstein are trying to run the department of justice, they work for a guy in president trump who is looking for a roy cohn, who is looking for a fixer, the current fixer pleaded guilty to eight felony counts this week. what do you make of just the paralysis that must be underway there? >> well, what i am interested in is -- and i'm no jeff sessions fan either, but -- >> i think he was just at the white house. i think we have some grainy video of jeff sessions at the white house today where this, according to jonathan swan of axios, didn't come up. there he is. >> oh, yeah. >> leaving. not exactly a profile and a ton of courage. he didn't say take this job and shove it. >> actually, having written about politics for a long time, even locally in new york, you see the same thing in washington. the individuals matter greatly. so it's not just about party.
and it's actually not even just about policy. i personally disagree with jeff sessions on many of his policies including the family separations and some civil rights issues. but it does matter when you have integrity. and i think this is a moment where we can really see, you know, from jeff sessions to bob mueller and everyone in between, and frankly on the other side as well, you know, with some of the folks that the president has surrounded himself with, you really see where individuals can make a huge difference in history and this is one of those moments. and i think that, you know, we'll see what happens going forward. but every single member of congress, the light is on them and the own nus is on them to b profile in courage. i'm trying to be hopeful here. >> right. all right. frank figliuzzi, thank you for spending the first half hour of the 4:00 hour with us again. we appreciate you. when we come back, in the wake of michael cohen's guilty plea tuesday, we'll ask a member of the house intel committee if
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of impeachment has gone from hypothetical to a concrete possibility. so the focus now shifts to what congress will do, if anything. and mike many cone's lauryn cysts his client is ready to talk. >> i'm just telling you that michael cohen has told me that he's going to tell the truth to whoever asks him, whether it be a congressional committee, a prosecutor, or somebody in washington. and as far as i'm concerned, the truth is the word rather than cooperate. >> democratic congressman eric swalwell now joins us. thanks for being with us. i want to ask you about something senator chuck grassley said, senate judiciary chairman. he said his committee wants to talk to michael cohen's attorney lanny davis as a first step before deciding whether his committee will investigate cohen's claims about donald trump. do you want to see michael cohen back before your committees? >> absolutely. and good afternoon, nicolle. it is clear that michael cohen was not truthful with the house
intelligence committee which is all the more reason that we never should have ended our investigation. it now sounds like listening to mr. davis that mr. cohen does have information about what candidate trump knew about the russians offering dirt on hillary clinton in the trump tower meeting. bring them all back because none of them were faced with tough questions or any subpoenas. as for the president's claim that the economy would tank and markets would crash, this country, nicolle, is greater than one small man and the corrupt people around him. so that's not much of a defense. >> explain to me, congressman, why democrats flinched when asked about impeachment. you got brett stevens who is at the table with me today. lifelong conservative steve schmidt, campaign veteran from the bush and mccain eras who are more bullish about the need to engage the public in a conversation about impeachment about high crimes and misdemeanors. we have a president who doesn't
proclaim his innocence. he simply says the markets will tank if i'm out of here because i've done a good job. why are democrats so go shy about having this debate with the people? >> which don't want to be as reckless with the facts as donald trump is. we are promising the american people, put us in the majority. we'll protect health care, protect paychecks and address corruption. addressing corruption means all the investigations whether it's on russia, whether it's on tax rrnz, whether it's on cashing in on access to the oval office, doing all the investigations republicans have been unwilling to do and promising the american people that no person is above the law. if the president has crossed red lines, and we can put that case to the american people, we'll do the right thing. right now we're not in the majority. so running on that i think misses the issues people care about at home. they connect the corruption and washington reflects our ability to solve paychecks. >> congressman, was a red line crossed for you on tuesday in
the 4:00 hour when you heard michael cohen plead guilty to counts 7 and 8 where he said the president directed him to make payments to -- he didn't say her name, but to -- they were actually went to karen mcdougal right around a window that was very obviously meant to impact the election? >> yes, i don't see how you can separate what michael cohen did and the person who directed and coordinated him to do that in donald trump. that's why if the republicans were responsible, if they cared about this country, if they put our democracy above one person in the president, they would have hearings immediately. you won't believe this, though, nicolle, maybe you will. tomorrow the house judiciary committee is meeting to interview witnesses around hillary clinton's e-mails so we have an opportunity after this revelation has been made to tell the american people just what michael cohen knew and what donald trump knew and instead we're going back in time to look at hillary clinton's e-mails. so until we're in the majority, we can't fully investigate this. but those days are coming. 74 days away. >> let me bring chuck rosenberg
into this conversation. chuck, i heard the congressman say he believes michael cohen lied before congress. is there a potential in the future for some sort of global cooperation agreement where michael cohen could say, we'll let you off the hook for lying to congress which i believe is a federal crime if you are helpful to any investigation ongoing in the mueller probe, helpful to any future or current investigations in the southern district, helpful -- i know he picked up the phone and called some state law enforcement officials. is that something -- is he a candidate for something like that? he a i think that's plausible, nicolle. i could imagine that a lot of folks would like to talk to him again, or for the first time. let me tell you how i would have analyzed it when i was u.s. attorney. i'm not sure i would prosecute cohen again even for the lie to congress. i'm not saying that's not important. it is important. but the question to me would be were u.s. interests adequately or fully vindicated by his guilty plea in manhattan? he pled guilty to eight counts.
he's facing significant jail time. and so i'm not sure that the u.s. government, the justice department gets much more out of sort of an additional count of conviction. i'm not sure it's worth it. you need to tell congress the truth. they have an important oversight function, but i don't think he'll be prosecuted for lying to congress. i would like the congressman noted see michael cohen called babbli back and answer a whole bunch of questions because he has more to tell. >> thank you both for spending some of the hour with us. we're grateful. when we come back, republican leaders give their candidate a longer leash to trash the president. but that doesn't exactly add up to a profile in courage. we'll track the leadership vacuum on the right. stay with us.
last february shows a white house totally flooded by chaos and scandal as the water rises around the president. are republicans going to finally say, enough? "the new york times" reports, senior republican party leaders began urging their most imperiled incumbents. tom cole campaign chairman warning, quote, where there's smoke and there's a lot of smoke, there may well be fire. the panel is still here. brett. >> look, it's too late. this is something that the republican party should have been doing from the earliest days of the trump presidency when the lies began to accumulate, the kind of psychopathic behavior if that's the right word on the part of the president. the bullying and abuses of his members of his own
administration, the d denigratetion at charlottesville. the republicans prevaricated. they closed their eyes in increasing evidence of malfeasance, misfeasance, lunacy on the part of the president. they allowed their long held views to be completely perverted and distorted. they started sounding like people who would have been unrecognizable to themselves just a few years earlier. so now they tell us, maybe you can have in a limited way a throat-clearing session about what appears to be the criminality or borderline criminality of a president who, were he a democrat, you would be calling for his impeachment. >> right. >> so i'm glad they're starting. >> you know, what's wrong is the shallowness of it. it's not giving republicans permission -- and the fact -- let's just say, i have a 6-year-old. he wouldn't need permission to distance himself from a crude
crass lying bully. it's pathetic they're waiting around for a green light to say, go, you can distance yourself. to your point, it's not from a plates of moral outrage. it's not because he backed roy moore. it's not because he saw good people on both sides of the kkk rally, not because he talked about grabbing women in the bleep. in 64 days they're on the ballot. >> it's to give themselves enough distance from the president to get through the election. >> so they can carry his water and whatever else -- >> i doubt we'll see much on this, right? and the issue for them is he's obviously a load stone. and the president doesn't realize it. and he thinks he's a force multiplier. he is in some places. they are looking at a demolition of their house majority and they will do anything to protect it. but i think it's tactical. it's not that deeply held. because if it was we would have heard more of this in the past. instead we see the house intelligence committee turn into a de facto arm of the white house. >> de facto, nunes, paul ryan
green lighting it, is running absolutely as an arm of the white house. it shows the most sort of sacred part of our national security oversight role as being corrupted by donald trump. >> two things here. first of all, you are both exactly right. there is no honor here. nobody is doing the honorable thing. but i just think that, you know, when you talk to these members of congress, they say oh, well, it's what the base wants and i need the base. but you know, it's so convenient because these same members of congress were participating for years in whipping up -- whipping the frenzy within that base and feeding into the fox news, the conspiracy theories, all of that stuff, and so they've played along and then now for them to turn and say, oh, well, this is a bridge too far. i think it's a little too late. >> a-- for that. >> you can make an argument in some policies it wasn't state-run media, but state had
an impact on fox news. to your point it's media-run state, fox-run state. >> we get things out of those interviews, he's relaxed. he says what's on his mind. what he said, i expect the person who runs the justice department to shutdown investigations into me. >> it's stunning. i hope bob mueller gets fox. up next there is still integrity in washington. the one running against ted cruz shuts down -- who players protest.
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peaceful, nonviolent protests, including taking a knee at a football game to point out that black men, unarmed, black teenagers, unarmed, and black children, unarmed, are being killed at a frightening level right now. and so nonviolently, peacefully, while the eyes of this country are watching these games, they take a knee to bring our attention and our focus to this problem to ensure that we fix it. that is why they are doing it. i can think of nothing more american than to peacefully stand up or take a knee for your rights any time, anywhere, any place. >> amen. that was beto o'rourke running against ted cruz.
responding to a question about whether players taking a knee during the anthem was disrespectful. lebron james called it a much-watch. i agree. it looks like cruz should watch out. a brand new poll has o'rourke behind pie only four points. i want to hit pause on the poll and i just want to ask you, every time i see somebody like that, and i'm glad that lebron was in there too, there's such a vacuum of moral clarity. why was that answer hard for republicans? why do we treat patriotism like it's so fragile that black players can't protest what is undeniably true, that black men face more danger, unarmed black men get killed by cops all the time in this country. >> because patriotism far too much on the right has become a matter of symbols and totems and forms and anthems and not the exercise of freedom. it's funny when you talk to
republicans, the word that's always on their lips is freedom. freedom to dissent, freedom to build businesses, the freedom to speak your mind. and yet you see these football players exercising exactly that freedom in the most respectful way possibly on a cause that matters deeply to them and should matter to millions -- to all americans, and this is -- this is the way they respond. it's part of trump's effort to turn what ought to be genuine patriotism, love of what this country is really about as a set of ideas, into a kind of blood and soil nationalism, a place, a people or i should rather say a race among -- a race among those people and a set of institutions and mechanisms that would be more recognizable in certain early 20th century european countries than it should be in the united states. >> he also seemed to call on people's better angels, which made me link of the line that
people are so desperate for american leadership that they'll crawl through the sand and when it's a mirage they start eating the sand. that looked like the real deal, real leadership, real moral clarity. >> first of all, you're absolutely right. he showed us as a country kind of the way forward and i think that's important. but you're absolutely right. i think this is a very old debate and very old issue about who is allowed to be a citizen. and who is allowed to protest, about who is allowed to fully take on the rights and responsibilities of citizenship. and it really does to me, the protests -- excuse me, the criticism, a lot of the criticism of these players who are protesting sounds like it's coming from a place of, you know, white nationalism cloaked in the flag. and i think all americans should be offended by that. >> really quick, do you think he has a shot? >> look, i'm bad at predictions. sure, he has a shot.
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a few friends are going to germany playing material just real complex starts october twenty years on d w. plane . plane. this is g w news live from berlin turkey and the united states are set to face off over the case of a missing saudi journalist from saudi arabia promises a full probe into the disappearance of jamal khashoggi. a top u.s. diplomat by pompei zero carries this message to turkey today where investigators say the writer was killed by a saudi team. also coming up d.w.
goes to rocco one year after its liberation from us we will look at how the u.s. is willing and unwilling to help in the city it's airstrikes largely destroyed the flux of a speed bump that is stalling grabs that the irish border issue remains a key sticking point that has thrown negotiations it's a near payoffs will the e.u. give to receive many more time to find a breakthrough. and germany football coach you walk in love suffers another painful loss but the extent to cling to his job after an improved performance against friends. playing. i'm sorry kelly welcome to the program we begin with mounting pressure on saudi arabia over the disappearance of decided journalist. jamal khashoggi
a report in the new york times says that turkish investigators believe several suspects who worked among the security detail of saudi crown prince mohamed bin some on this as american secretary of state might pump aoe has left saudi arabia and just arrived in turkey where he's about to meet the president and foreign minister jamal khashoggi hasn't been seen since he entered the saudi consulate in istanbul two weeks ago and let's get more on this now w.'s yulia han is standing by for us in front of the saudi consulate where she was last seen good morning to you yulia we're getting some more clues about what might have happened to him as we just heard what is the latest there from the turkish authorities. well let me point one thing out the turkish authorities turkish investigators have not yet officially tabled their evidence what they do instead is leak bits and pieces of information to the media and this has really turned this whole story into
a puzzle where it has become sometimes very difficult to distinguish facts from fiction now on monday two days ago a joint team of turkish and saudi investigators went into this building right behind me the saudi consulate here in istanbul they searched the building for about nine hours they took reportedly took samples from the garden soil from walls as well because there have been reports walls have been painted over they inspected the rooftop and one source familiar with the investigation later confirmed to us that they indeed found in a quote concrete evidence that mr was indeed killed now we don't know yet what kind of evidence they found but investigators also seem to believe that jamal khashoggi the famous saudi arabian writer was taken dead or alive in a black van from this building just two hundred meters away from here to the residence of the saudi consul and this is exactly the reason why turkish investigators have been pressing for access to the council's residence and in the
meantime diplomatically speaking we have fresh off of his visit to saudi arabia the u.s. secretary of state my pompei zero in on korea today for talks there with the turks what can we expect from that physic. well in the best case some serious explanations and credible ounces but we saw miss a payoff visit to riyadh yesterday were dreamy seemed like a supportive visit and we know what kind of message he will carry over here to turkey to his turkish counterpart and that message is the saudis claim not to know anything the king says i don't know anything crown prince mohammed bin simon who has been accused of ordering the killing of jamal she says he doesn't know anything about the whereabouts of mr chief so this is the message misapply paya will bring to ungar we're hearing from actually government sources that pompei a will first needs president arab on himself which indicates how important this
meeting is a later will meet the turkish foreign minister. of course you have to know turkey u.s. relations are strained as well right at the moment there are many differences for example over the syrian conflict the engagement in syria so this is going to be really interesting what comes out of this meeting and it's going to be interesting to see how the investigation the official investigation will proceed after this meeting. with the very latest on this case joining us from outside the saudi consul there in turkey thank you so much. it was a year ago that the so-called islamic state was driven out of its self declared capital in syria the northern city of raka rocka is now under the control of kurdish forces but the fight lasted for months and saw thousands killed local militias fought on the ground while u.s. planes bombarded i-s. from the air the city is now free of the militants but lies in ruins our reporters
and to far up to corey went to rocca on the embedded or rather they were on and imbedded trip with the u.s. army they looked at what the u.s. is willing and unwilling to help with as the city struggles to recover. abdullah is happy to see us in his classroom it's a place of safety and he can finally learn and play with other children. it's the years since he lost his hand he and his friends found a fridge which had a booby trap inside. their beer we were playing with it and it exploded two children next to me died and an old man was badly hurt. i was to buy a piece of shrapnel. two of my friends died. there. teaches the special class addressing the particular needs of able to enter on the test
children. she wasn't allowed to work at all when the i s. were in charge. all she says about that time is that it was hard for everyone to have an an up fighting we noticed the children freeze up whenever they hear shots and explosions which are still frequent here the a minute here there they completely unsettled me that i'm either with a hole in. the united states funds the class we are on a trip organized by the us army and state department they want to show us what has been achieved since the victory over as in russia and they want to encourage more countries to fund the stabilization of the city. this week euro to measures during our visit here in the aca a very very tight they have been several terror attacks over the past months and there are still i as sleeper cells operating in the city. the fight against the
so-called islamic state in russia which included u.s. airstrikes destroyed more than seventy percent of the city. there's not much left barely any hospitals homes or anywhere to live and no mains electricity but people are slowly coming back. we really need work they don't have work you can't eat or drink work is the most important thing for sure will come about it luckily some schools are opening again and we were just heard our children my daughter was not allowed to study under i.i.s. now she is in the first grade even though she's older but still she's allowed to study that's not their father at the foot of the u.s. has been giving what it calls stabilization eight to rocka that means clearing mines and rubber repairing buildings and supporting local people but it doesn't mean large scale reconstruction. the united states has said that in terms of
rebuilding there can't begin until we've got here reversible progress towards a political solution through the geneva process and so that's what we're looking towards it's. irreversible progress on the political front. the future of syria is being negotiated far away in geneva by the u.n. sponsored talks there have stalled and roc-a the pressures on. the longer reconstruction takes to begin says coachella cassava council. the greater the danger that i as my tree gained support among the people. the help offered so far is like um but it's not enough meeting with the u.s. representative the council vent their frustration they've heard that us president on a trump cut about two hundred million dollars from serious stabilisation ate. them and those who destroyed the city should rebuild it and what will we expect the
coalition of the united states to help us with this they promised they would. for now it's projects like this that's a civil council is focusing on repairing rock us infamous stadium. the foreman in march tells us he's lying next day terrorists carried out mass executions here and that they tortured hundreds of civilians in these cellars. i hope that the stadium will be full again one day and the people will come and play sports here again. like they did before the eye is to control that's what we're hoping for. the first game surge you to take place here in a couple of weeks they could offer brief respite from everyday life in the ruins of russia. let's get more now on the situation in iraq are we are joined here in the studio by marcus speckle he is the editor in chief of the amnesty international journal thank you so much for joining us this morning before we can figure out what
happens next in iraq i like to first ask you about amnesty international call at the moment when it comes to the city they claims that thousands were killed in u.s. led coalition airstrikes that called for an investigation do you think that we will ever see that. i think we might see an investigation and more responses by the u.s. by the u.k. and other coalition forces if organizations as amnesty but also critical journalists keep on asking questions there was an amnesty report out in june already after which the us said yes more people were killed than we said in the first place so i think if we keep on asking answers might come but it's job of journalists and human rights organizations to do that unless that happens governments don't that in the calls for it to happen are growing louder i'd actually like to play something that one of your colleagues said this is a reporter who spoke with an amnesty researcher in iraq and this is what she had to
say concerning east the coalition is not carrying out to be investigation that it should be carrying out being bombarded from the sky they really should be here and do the work we are doing which is to go and do site investigations and interview survive if they do not understand what went wrong why they killed civilians in quite a number of their strikes then lessons will not be learned. you have to understand what happened is what she's saying there i mean the u.s. for its part it's saying that it's busy fighting. you know perhaps in other quarters or ideologically within the region what do you say that it's an international obligation barebone by international law that fair warfare is following these laws and if they don't do that they might end up in court butin the hague i mean investigations are taking place and you cannot just answer that we are
busy and war sorry for the victims recalls the other airstrikes no they have to answer to these calls and of the pressure keeps on both up and i think how about the effort to rebuild the city i mean we saw devastating imagery and the pieces from our reporters who are on the ground there in the city the u.s. is putting money into rocket to stabilize it but how can you possibly stabilize it if you don't rebuild it i think doesn't need to do more just the u.s. needs to do more but i think it's an international obligation don't forget that the war in syria is still ongoing it's not over yet rocco's part of the country which is the government by. and he's waiting for donors to come but he has to deliver as well and so it's not the u.s. only russia is involved in this war iran is european union countries and i think all of these countries have to put their money one day to rebuild syria joining us this morning with a call for action marcus fickle editor in chief of the amnesty international guard
all thank you q. let's get a quick check now some other stories making news around the world israel has conducted air strikes on gaza and closed its border with the palestinian territory this comes after a rocket fired from gaza struck a house in southern israel early on wednesday israeli officials say that a woman and her three children are being treated for shock and two others were injured. by around three thousand migrants are still on the move north of why. amala this even after the organizer of a hung door and migrant caravan has been detained there the arrest comes after the us government threatened to withdraw aid to central american countries that did not stop the march. diplomatic sources say that the european union has offered to extend the transition period for britain's exit from the block by one year it's a possible concession to britain's prime minister theresa may ahead of a summit of e.u.
leaders in brussels later may is under pressure to break the deadlock over the issue of the irish border northern ireland is set to become the u.k.'s only land border with the e.u. both sides want to avoid a hard border which would reinstate physical checks that could hamper trade and travel between northern ireland and the irish republic but they can't agree how a key part of the negotiation is a so-called backstop a fallback plan should the u.k. leave the e.u. without a deal but there's no agreement on that either. you see i'm the u.k.'s gregg's it minister dominique robb was somewhere in there on his way to commission that was something we all thought a deal was close at hand the excitement was palpable. but then the chief negotiator tweeted this despite intense efforts some key issues are still open.
so we all went back to bed because we had heard that one before. yes the biggest key issue still is the border between northern island which is part of the u.k. and the republic of ireland which belongs to the e.u. . we need more time to find this global agreement and reach the decisive step forward that we need to finalize the negotiations for an orderly bragg's negotiations sort of what i will have to do for you. same old same old i know that there with me. everybody wants to avoid the hard border after all many people lost their lives during the irish troubles when there was one the e.u. has suggested pushing it into the irish sea but to reset may rejects an external border separating two parts of the u.k. the problem is supposed to be solved by a political agreement but in case they fail to reach one the e.u.
wants a so-called backstop that's an insurance to avoid a border but it also means effectively that northern island would stay within e.u. regulations now some are calling for a backstop to the backstop oh well never mind yes terribly complicated but the bottom line is this the e.u. chief negotiator and the u.k. bragg's it minister have been. then negotiating. then the u.k. changed its brags it minister and they negotiated some more and it looks like finally the e.u. and the u.k. might be ready to agree on something don't ask me about the details it includes things like back to the backstop yes very tiring. but if that weren't enough the real front line is now in the u.k.
i continue to believe that's a negotiated deal is the best outcome for the u.k. and for the european union i continue to believe that such a deal is achievable. not everybody still in the disunited kingdom the brics the tears are waiting to tear apart whatever theresa may brings home from brussels and that would mean no deal. since from one controversial issue to another one now we're going to sports press herenton is here we're talking football last night you watched him love his team germany lost again this time succumbing to one to france in the nation's league and i mean we have to really talk about this game because there was some momentum swings yes there was indeed right to my shock and awe that germany started off the score and against the world champions we have you know a recap of the action let's take a look at that you know tony cross score from the penalty spot in the fourteenth minute and the goalkeeper for france has had issues allowing the penalties to come
in and that through there but then in the second half and to increase in cup any of blazing header level things and then a penalty that was controversial specifically to the german coach was awarded leighton greece might have no problem converting they lose to one obviously remains under pressure but you know they did put up a fight and it was nice to see. some resistance of these early in the match but it is too you know halves and they won the first one and lost the second one still mostly lost the match but yeah it was i see them put up a decent effort and. i mention that there is something controversial right and runs of course. at the helm of this team many germans a recent outcry from many of them who want him replaced and did that change after the fight that that germany put up here do you think that this was enough. well you know he does remain under pressure although he is now receiving the backing of the german press you know one popular publication the bill came out and said that's the
right way in terms of putting up the fight incorporating the young talent we actually have comments from love himself this is what he had to say after the match . interesting but i'm disappointed about the result even if this defeat feels different to the last last saturday against the dutch. not because of the result but because of up a formants which i must say was great. because you know course all because was most was what he think of as common as being great is a reach because you think they still haven't scored an open play there was a penalty that they converted you know and then you have to factor in this is the first time germany has lost six matches in a calendar year first time since two thousand they've lost back to back competitive matches so i think you know we're germany goes from here they have a match on the nineteenth of november against the netherlands are going to have to you know perform better than they did last time out and then there's a break you know and we have to see what happens you know early in the next year
two thousand and nineteen but i think that continue doing what he did and combined the young and old talent and find speed and a carer that can you know produce on the pitch that germans want the results slowly but surely sort of getting their quest harrington from sports thank you so much. when i barcelona midfielder are done to run has been facing a possible prison sentence for his alleged role in a fight in an istanbul nightclub turkish state media say that prosecutors have charged him with causing intentional injury and illegal possession of a weapon and are seeking up to twelve and a half years in prison for the turkish international he's currently on loan from barcelona at the turkish club. this is not the first time that he has been in trouble for bad behavior he is currently serving a sixteen game ban for abusing a line's men back in may. monica jones is
here and we are talking about netflix they had some results surprisingly good results sarah netflix actually beat investor expectations to add nearly seven million new subscribers in the last quarter the streaming service reported the profit more than tripled from a year ago and revenues remained strong to an end. it has invested heavily in or regional programming but investors have worried about subscriptions keeping pace the new figures boosted the value of netflix twelve percent in after hours trading part of a positive day on wall street. another what makes an economy competitive and how your country compared to the rest of the world now these are the questions researchers of the world economic forum have spent months trying to answer and now the results are in some of the findings might surprise you. it's a highly coveted trait that gives the country an edge over others and now thanks to
a study by the world economic forum the most competitive economies in the world have been revealed the study's authors looked at a variety of factors including innovation and how dynamic a country's business environment is they're also interested in technological readiness as well as the station the country's health and education systems. so who came out top let's take a look at the results. coming in at number one is the world's biggest economy the united states it scored especially high on the business dynamism measure number two might surprise you it singapore a country of just five million people it's defining competitive feature was openness third prize for competitiveness goes to germany which did especially well in the area of innovation the other top performers were mainly in europe with japan and hong kong the other strong performers in asia. but the report suggests that
even top performers shouldn't rest on their laurels while the united states gained a lot of points for its dynamic entrepreneurial culture the study points out that it did relatively badly on other measures like health. life expectancy is sixty seven years in the us three years below the average of advanced economies. and for more i'm joined by holger schmieding chief economist at bank in london good to have you with us let me just pick up on that last paragraph in the report because it basically says that being highly competitive doesn't necessarily improve or prolong your life at least in the united states is there a point then to be competitive at all. yes of course all the. rich countries. being competitive you have a very good chance of getting rich however being. competitive of course is not the only thing for
a good standard of living for wellbeing you also need to get your health system right which is something where the u.s. does not excel at all that united states of course as we know is the words biggest strongest economy whereas in that survey in second place is singapore a relatively small city state what makes it so competitive. singapore is a small very open economy it's very flexible it is well regulated well it governs very low corruption that makes singapore a very attractive place to do business and hence it rightly rings there as one of the most competitive economies in the world problem in singapore of course it's a small country not everything that works in singapore might work in much bigger countries and what about germany in terms of size somewhere in between comes in as number three on that competitiveness index and what might be surprising is that
germany is doing especially well in the area of innovation how come. i must say that indeed it is a little surprise that germany is ranked number one in innovation but if you look at the details you find the reason in no single categories such as patent applications quality of research institutions and the like in no single category is germany actually number one but it's always close to the top other countries such as the us may be number one in some categories but they are much more mediocre in other categories so it's the breath of germany that it's pretty good in almost every category that means germany actually ends up number one in innovation although it does not have the most peyton applications and does not have the very best scientific research ok so that means we don't always have to be the number one in everything and can still excel good news that is meeting there from london thank you so much you're welcome. it is
a reminder now all the top stories we're following for you. u.s. secretary of state mike comp aoe has arrived in turkey to discuss the disappearance and suspected murder of a dissident journalist in. touch down from saudi arabia which. promised a full investigation. hasn't been seen since he entered the saudi consulate in istanbul two weeks ago. on the syrian city of iraq is struggling to recover one year after its liberation from the islamist extremist group calls for amnesty international for the u.s. to investigate the number of civilians killed by. u.s. has also refused to fund major rebuilding until political progress is made. you're watching the news coming to you live from berlin and more coming up at the top of the hour see you then.
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are being made of the country and these demands are pushing germany into dilemma. the quote by poland's foreign minister you just mentioned you would never have heard anybody particularly not somebody from poland say that before nine hundred ninety. there's this new demand for germany to lead within europe but that puts germany in a dilemma because if it assumes a position of power old fears about germany wanting supremacies and europe will rise again this is the new fear which is actually a fear dating back to the nineteenth century or before. and which germany's european neighbors have felt for at least two hundred years or. so i mean distance five hundred beneath the healing of quaked we can how can germany resolve this tense relationship with germany mistake other european countries position into account and also take their perception of germany and to account germany must also
not let the power politics necessary for europe to be a powerful global player. and try to wind up here automatically this is a necessary balancing act and one of the greatest challenges for political leaders but goals that mean the end tried to hold forth all through political furor. minister had another minister speaking in brussels actually addressed precisely that challenge and said germany will have to lead from the center how could that work early because that by the to be honest i'm not quite sure what this leadership from the center may want support germany has to learn to be respectful of its neighbors wanted to say germany must carry out its leadership duties but also that it would be problematic if it did so to assertively almost all top level officials in brussels pulling the strings a german that greatly upset some member states that i am. is that what germany wants to be a sort of behind the scenes puppet master that includes the defendant if you would
have thought they flee the i would absolutely say at the most important level of which germany is showing political leadership lies beyond national interests in fact it even extends beyond the european union. or because the big question is how will europe treat the u.k. after banks it would this isn't an e.u. issue we need to see germany as a nation probably together with france negotiating with the u.k. you fucked of that for i make the crudely because the u.k. is not going to disappear from europe. rather europe can only be a strong global player if it has a constructive relationship with the u.k. construct he was for two goals papunya who won that fight back when germany was politically more peripheral it tried to convince the benelux countries of its interests so that they would push them on the agenda of that strategy worked back
then is that the right concept for the future or is germany allowed to be self-confident in expressing its wishes and setting its agenda as the time that i get into setting and the often ignored or germany is not only allowed to be confident it has to be confident. but you can be confident without being inconsiderate towards this notion that germany must always be subtle and can't just be forthright in its demands no one in europe still thinks that the use of force or the globe to sounds. about as good but it leads to trouble take the two recent examples when germany su in political leadership with the new europe the eurozone crisis and the refugee crisis in the summer of two thousand and fifteen both times a political course was taken that was set by germany and both times that caused big big trouble and massive anti german sentiment quickly flared up so how can this work. india well germany made
a grave mistake during the refugee crisis and that was to vote by majority in the european council to force countries to accept a quota of refugees against their will i don't think. that was seen as dictatorial . for the european debt crisis situation is more complicated. there are two very different versions of what happened exist within europe which are both logical to contradict each other. but on the one side there's the story told by mostly but not exclusively southern countries which says that germany reacted far too late. that it didn't want to risk it strayed someplace and the germans are geopolitical nationalists. on the other side we have the german version of exactly the same political decision it's a gorgeous. door german say that they were not liable for other countries debts but that they helped greece anyway because they're such a good european you have our it is right it has them but to add to what he said we
also very quickly began seeing pictures of angela merkel with a hit the must ask coming from greece how big must the fear of germany be and what does it feed on for such poignant images to be produced that. the whole of germany's neighboring countries or almost all have had some form of military conflict with germany far with dogs for greece that conflict was the world war two occupation by germany. that was when those stereotypes started of violent germans with their pickle how about helmets all thora tarion and militaristic that we face and the odd thing about stereotypes is that they can resurgent any time like a volcano you thought was dormant which erupts again if you go and work hard for the money but that's how stereotypes generally work and it's exactly what we've seen. happened these last years no one in the house that's obvious. it seems as
if other european countries are no longer used to a germany that shows the same self-assurance as say france or britain or is this a test for europe of death i know. it's low beneath the stomachs of two hundred but i don't think that this has anything to do with cold war experiences manifesting themselves in the present day and outside of it as or that noise so where does the fear come from well in france and france is the key partner in this context that fear dates at least as far back as the eight hundred seventy seventy one war when france became painfully aware of the fact that it's not eastern neighbor germany or was structurally stronger. because he's talked to and then france had to experience that bitter truth again in both world wars. because although france was on the winning side the french knew that if they had to face germany alone they would have lost that you can dodge land just regular give you
what was it their child a goal said in one thousand nine hundred forty six towards germany stays germany or more recently in the eighties francois mitterrand spoke about the german nuclear bomb but he was referring to the don't mark on the german central bank which shows that other countries are no longer worried about germany's military strength but about its economic power as does that mean germany is scary because that functions too well for europe death even more than. east germany is and will stay europe's strongest economy in a time when economic strength is more important than military strength. so germany is the strongest party and it can't shake that role which is why it has to find a way to use its strength constructively and strategically within europe. or next lord and i lost my recent study asked europeans whether they find their country's culture superior to the neighboring countries cultures forty five percent
of germans said they find their culture to be better than other europeans yet are we seeing a rising feeling of german superiority. yeah that's yes we are and that's a german trait that dates back to the romantic era. in the early nineteenth century when europeans began to see themselves as nationals the french state already existed so the french could perceive themselves as a nation state however there was no unified germany at that time meaning germans initially had little choice but to find unity through culture who told us they saw themselves as a cultural nation if you will and this self image has always brought with it a tendency among germans to view themselves as culturally and morally superior for that tendency can be traced throughout the nineteenth century right up to the end of the first half of the twentieth century winthrop's in the hope that and although the content of the old self image has changed the mechanism of perceiving oneself
as culturally and morally superior remains. the good example is germany's welcome culture in autumn two thousand and fifteen that sense of being morally correct was so strong you can almost touch it but it's harder of the best on site as i meet him and for that i'm a counsellor and we recently had the chancellor announce that she's begun what could be called a step by step political withdraw what political legacy will under american leafy europe. i'm glad merkel have hopefully on a european level angela merkel's main political activity has been crisis management from cleveland she has also always try to unite the european institutions with varying degrees of success of her efforts were constant or patient institutes all of. how did she divide oh you know you're a guy in. the heart of the island she's been able to unite at least in part she
managed to avoid the european institutions dismantling and separating particularly during the euro zone crises how about in part she has also caused european division with regard to the refugee crises but i guess we'll never know the extent but several people in the u.k. said that the political decisions about refugees made in twenty fifteen helped the banks inside when that's the part that's just for two bricks at least have i become mr and i as always i'd like to end our interview by asking you to complete three sentences germany yes i have a large and important power within europe which needs to lead constructively and with empathy part of. europe is. more than the european union all it is shaped by the e.u. but also by the great diversity that goes beyond it the other way and also get on and history is. there's spiegel in the i mean they're all we look at without saying
our own reflection clearly but that shows us backgrounds which help us to better understand our present selves have it mr herder thanks for speaking with us thank you. miramax this week times. can rest any judge in the theater troupe reenacts paintings by car by. federal exhibits a sourdough library in belgium. nimble fingers new cuz took on your knee guitar virtuoso and you to stop. the romantics next d.w. . you can tell a lot about a society by its garbage. it's worthless for the rich but for many people it offers their only chance of survival. our reporters travel to nairobi
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more transforming the is humility ready for it in. the second season of our documentary series. finale. join germantown asia as they explore with your. family starts november twenty fourth w. . and. it is one of the world's leading contemporary historians and today we want to discuss a potential neophilia of germany with him mr heard that during a recent speech in brussels a polish politician said he fears a germany that doesn't lead more than one that does is there a new fear of germany and. get justice in the angst.
escaped law there is a new fear of germany which is also an old fear of germany where the new demands are being made of the country and these demands are pushing germany into dilemma. the quote by poland's foreign minister you just mentioned you would never have heard anybody particularly not somebody from poland say that before nine hundred ninety. there's this new demand for germany to lead within europe but that puts germany in a dilemma because if it assumes a position of power old fears about germany wanting supremacies and europe will rise again this is the new fear which is actually a fear dating back to the nineteenth century or before. and which germany's european neighbors have felt for at least two hundred years or. so i mean this and five hundred yards beneath the lang are parked the can how can germany resolve this tense relationship with germany mistake other european countries position into
account and also take their perception of germany and to account germany must also not let the power politics necessary for europe to be a powerful global player. and try to end up here automatically this is a necessary balancing act and one of the greatest challenges for political leaders but also. the in trying to hold hold on for political furor. minister had another minister speaking in brussels actually addressed precisely that challenge and said germany will have to lead from the center how could that work early because that by the to be honest i'm not quite sure what this leadership from the center mean it's germany has to learn to be respectful of its neighbors while at the same time carrying out the necessary leadership duties. i'm not sure where the center comes in. to design that and also you say germany must carry out its leadership duties but also that it would be problematic. if it did so to
assertively almost all top level officials and brussels pulling the strings a german that greatly upset some member states that i know. is that what germany wants to be a sort of behind the scenes puppet master that includes them if they did something you would have thought they flee the child would absolutely say at the most important level of which germany is showing political leadership lies beyond national interests in fact it even extends beyond the european union. because the big question is how will europe treat the u.k. after banks it would be so this isn't an e.u. issue we need to see germany as a nation probably together with france negotiating with the u.k. you fucked off this far i need to crudely because the u.k. is not going to disappear from europe. rather europe can only be a strong global player if it has a constructive relationship with the u.k.
construct he was for her to cause papunya who won that fight back when germany was politically more peripheral it tried to convince the benelux countries of its interests so that they would push them on the agenda of that strategy worked back then is that the right concept for the future or is germany allowed to be self-confident in expressing its wishes and setting its agenda as such and then i get into setting. the germany is not only allowed to be confident it has to be confident. but you can be confident without being inconsiderate towards this notion that germany must always be subtle and can't just be forthright in its demands no one in europe still thinks that the use of force to the globe to anybody in the whole part about death but it leads to trouble if you take the two recent examples when germany su in political leadership with the new europe and the eurozone crisis and the refugee crisis in the summer of two thousand and fifteen both times upon.
little course was taken that was set by germany and both times that caused big big trouble and massive anti german sentiment quickly flared up so how can this work. india well germany made a grave mistake during the refugee crisis and that was to vote by majority in the european council to force countries to accept a quota of refugees against their will. that was seen as dictatorial. with the european debt crisis situation is more complicated. there are two very different versions of what happened exist within europe which are both logical but to contradict each other. but on the one side there is the story told by mostly but not exclusively southern countries which says that germany reacted far too late origin. that you didn't want to risk it straight some place and the germans are geopolitical nationalists. on the other side we have the german version of exactly
the same political decision is to go to. the door german say that they were not liable for other countries debts but that they help greece anyway a half because they're such good european is all you have are. it might have them do i have but to add to what you said we also very quickly began seeing pictures of angela merkel with a hit the must ask coming from greece how big must the fear of germany be and what does it feed on for such a poignant images to be produced that. the whole of germany is neighboring countries or almost all have had some form of military conflict with germany far with dogs for greece that conflict was the world war two occupation by germany the stereo trooper that was when those stereotypes started over violent germans with their pickle how by helmets all thora tarion and militaristic hope that we turned his face and the odd thing about stereotypes is that they can resurgent any time
like a volcano you thought was dormant which erupts again the evil and work hard for the money get out stereotypes generally work and it's exactly what we've seen happen these last years no one can know that's obviously that's nyama leapt. in it seems as if other european countries are no longer nice to a germany that shows the same self-assurance as say france or britain or is this a test for europe often that i know. is club and if that's the stomach that would hurt i don't think that this has anything to do with cold war experiences manifesting themselves in the present day and outside of. the noise so where does the fear come from well in france and france is the key partner in this context that fear dates at least as far back as the eight hundred seventy seventy want war. when france became painfully aware of the fact that its eastern neighbor germany or was structurally stronger. at least talked to and then france had to
experience that bitter truth again in both world wars. because although france was on the winning side the french knew that if they had to face germany alone they would have lost that you can use regular give you what was it their child to call said in one thousand nine hundred forty six towards germany stays germany more recently in the eighties france one meter are spoken about the german nuclear bomb but he was referring to the don't mark in the german central bank which shows that other countries are no longer worried about germany's military strength but about its economic power as it does that mean germany is scary because it functions too well for europe. east germany is and will stay europe's strongest economy in a time when economic strength is more important than military strength. so germany is the strongest party and it can't shake that wrong which is why it has to find a way to use its strength constructively and strategically within europe. when
they explode in our national recent study asked europeans whether they find their country's culture superior to the neighboring countries cultures forty five percent of germans said they find their culture to be better than other europeans yet are we seeing a rising feeling of german superiority for. their diet yeah that's yes we are and that's a german trait that dates back to the romantic era. in the early nineteenth century when europeans began to see themselves as nationals the french state already existed so the french could perceive themselves as a nation state however there was no unified germany at that time meaning germans initially had little choice but to find a unity through culture who told us they saw yourself as a cultural nation if you will and this self image has always brought with it a tendency among germans to view themselves as culturally and morally superior
thought that tendency can be traced throughout the nineteenth century right up to the end of the first half of the twentieth century. in the hope that the end although the content of the old self image has changed the mechanism of perceiving oneself as culturally and morally superior remains. a good example is germany's welcome culture in autumn two thousand and fifteen that sense of being morally correct was so strong you could almost touch it. or harder of the better one side to side with him and for the council and we recently had the chancellor announced that she's begun what could be called a step by step political withdrawal what political legacy will under merkel leave for europe. i'm glad merkel has hopefully on a european level angela merkel's main political activity has been crisis management from cleveland she has also always tried to unite the european institutions with
varying degrees of success about her efforts were constant or patient institutes all of london how did she divide all unite europe and. the out of the islands she's been able to unite at least in part she managed to avoid the european institutions dismantling and separating particularly during the eurozone crises how about in part she has also caused european division with regard to the refugee crises but i guess we'll never know the extent but several people in the u.k. said that the political decisions about refugees made in twenty fifteen helped the braggs it signed when by part is the part that's just for two so this breaks it just have i become mr heard and i as always i'd like to end our interview by asking you to complete three sentences germany yes i've got a large and important power within europe which needs to lead constructively and with empathy part of. europe is is. more than the european
union all it is shaped by their own you but also by the great diversity if it goes beyond it the other way now let's get on and history is. this legal in we look out without saying our own reflection clearly about but this shows as backgrounds which help us to better understand our presence else had mr hooda thanks for speaking with us thank you. carefully. simply it's going to be a good. discover . the i.
battle for freedom and dignity. against repression and smile and so they deplore the powers of social media. the messages that are spreading like wildfire and thousands of followers are now joining their homes almost on the streets. but no more changing the morning. digital looms starts nov twenty fifth on the c.w. . i want to welcome to another exciting edition of your max i'm your house meghan lee from interesting instruments to unusual hobbies we have a mixed bag on the show today here's a look at what's coming up. tonight walker french musician by song for ronnie's new
album. searching for valuables in london mudflats. trait for launching in color neary specialty focused on books. we kick off today show where some travel back in time have you ever wondered what it was like to live some two thousand years ago all the visual artist. has given it some thought and he's recreated civilization as it was back at our uses the famous park alter and the city of the same name as his backdrop this is a visual feast is on display in berlin and takes visitors on a journey to another time. the ancient city of. faithfully recreated in fine detail in a three thousand square metre space the colossal panorama is the work of artist as
he sees its public debut twenty eleven now as he is presenting an expanded version in what he's dubbed the built for the purpose next pergamon museum. in its programme on since i was a child and i've also been very fascinated with it in terms of the architecture and the way this acropolis was built pile was saying it's almost modern architecture also the way they found this location this mountain in terms of urban planning. in preparation for his new panorama yet he has made six trips to the real target in turkey today the town. there he scrutinized the area from every angle hoping to find more inspiration for his project. but when you visit the actual location you get a very personal impression. nothing can beat that. so it's an unwritten law for
me that when i'm working on a project that i have to go to the actual site of it all it's ok and. he took photos on location for his original panorama but for this new version he staged additional scenes in berlin with some forty actors. among the scenes are stone masons workshop. a slave market. and a sacrificial altar. even immortalized himself as a market vendor. a cinema going back twenty years at first the scenes of people who are more a secondary element i thought i'd put a few people and put the picture in the proper scale. and now they're becoming the most important element because i can get through to the people the viewers by the way of the people. to date assisi has created fourteen giant
panoramas. the first was everest in like six two thousand and three a few of the world's highest mountain as seen from the base camp. one of his best known works is. the wall from two thousand and twelve it depicts the berlin wall and death strip in the one nine hundred eighty s. . and twenty sixteen he turned his attention to the church reformer martin luther photographing scenes for his panorama in vietnam back. key exhibits from the pergamon museums collection of classical antiquities have gone into the new panorama and establish a connection between ancient and modern art. among them are the prometheans group. the head of hercules. and the r.k. is to dancer from the palace. we've been able to work with assisi very closely because he was willing to incorporate our archaeological expertise in. the
program on panorama. so we chose the focal point together. one of the highlights is the famous program on alter. we've amalgamated a lot more this time things that i would normally have to learn all part of the exhibition and things from the exhibition or in the panorama. yet again as he sees panorama brings the antiquities to life offering a journey back through time to ancient program on nearly two thousand years ago. a celebrated painting by british artist david hockney has been sold in new york at a record price more on not plus attire in shops or hitting the road in the name of food or on those stores at the top of today's express. an iconic painting by british artist david hockney has sold for the highest price ever paid for his work by living artist portrait of an artist is david hockney his
most famous work and was oceans in new york on thursday for around eighty million euros. this breaks the record set by the skull to balloon dogs all range by u.s. artist jeff koons it went under the hammer in twenty says teens for around fifteen million euro. just constantly in bonn is showing the exhibition. dream journeys. it features more than one hundred thirty works by the expressionist painter. they demonstrate how a longing for the exotic and original runs through the work of the artist who himself had never traveled very far. with german who died in one nine hundred thirty eight was one of the founders of the artist group. the exhibition runs until the third of march twenty ninth.
this year's week of italian cuisine open did rome on thursday courses in one hundred twenty countries this year's focus will be on the mediterranean diet. the person in our next report is a star on the accordion the french mint vos off irani began with classical music at the age of eleven and he won numerous international prizes as a teenager then later on he began specializing in jazz but his talents aren't limited to just one musical genre on his new album he plays some very familiar rock classics but with an interesting twist let's have a closer listen. a
rock classic performed on the piano accordion of our son and. you know it's going you know it's like a little bit. of course. you know sound a little bit melancholic so it's it's for me if it's pretty well. in french the accordion is sometimes referred to as a blotter for a song which roughly translates as a box of thrills or excitement and that's exactly what band sampiero need turns it into. he loves to keep things interesting diving from one musical style to another . as a child what he actually wanted to do was play the drums my father was there you have to pay the accordion i say no i don't want i don't want to play the drums he said no this is stuff. so i give the accordion ok. mr appear i
need a professional accordion player himself had big plans for his son. and that meant by bite our bite and bite would work and more we're going to tell one day he started to really love it he sings played with some of the big names in jazz like german pianist michel boy and me. as a teenager is taste in music was quite different. was released jimi hendrix. who are there i remember when i put it on my cd player. the sol i was a. beauty and he loves to listen to drum solos and he really wants to get inside the rhythm. maybe i can try to imitate what i think what i heard on the drums and i try to to
do it on the accordion. here and he also performs led zeppelin's legendary good cashmere. performs the song together with his band living be featured throughout the album. it's a world away from classic accordion prepared neither possibilities are endless after a while i say i don't care i just like this music i want to play this music there is no reason you know because this is just an instrument so i just want to express myself ok thanks to the accordion.
nightwalker is the title of a some peyronie's new well featuring music that truly does explore all new horizons for the accordion. mud mud glorious mind and if it's in london it might be just the place to find some hidden treasures first centuries people been heading down to the river banks at low tide to see what they can find there but you can't just put on your rubber boots and get searching because first you need a special. permit. attendance is a rather unusual river because its water level changes with the time. times in office london is a kind of muddy feet which. these three ladies have an unusual past time
larking the term mudlarks was used in the eighteenth century to describe the poor street urchins who scavenge the rivers much for anything they could sell. though for an hour and florence much larking it's just a hobby. i can see. what. there's a little bit of white ball that's what they would have rested on the table. will say they really are like cigarette butts people just used to throw them away smoke the walls and that's right from about fifteen eighteen when i was introduced to the u.k. . but before you can go digging around in the mud at the thames you need a special permit from the port of london north or a city. those who find anything of real value or archaeological interest must present it to the museum of london to be registered and valued and it was then i
was fascinated by these straight pins which could date from roman times she's found a thousand so far from him and then suddenly they all get this brilliant surprise you might find a friend like a little seal that someone used to stamp a letter for four hundred years ago and you think. you can go home and research it and it's very very very addictive. something mudlarks just wear sandals others get themselves out with more professional gear. it's not just historical interest that leads these mudlarks to comb the shores of the river thames at low tide for tresham. at his studio kids have finds a new design. for instance she's turned old shards of glass into colorful fish. everything has a purpose planks whether it's ceramic pieces dating from roman times. victorian
dolls heads all splendid looking old pipes. these three mudlarks just love to show off their treasures. want to know more about european my style and culture visit euro max on facebook. you'll find highlights from our programmes. three hundred sixty degree videos of the most beautiful places in europe and snapshots taken by our reporters take an exclusive look behind the scenes at how the program is produced and follow us on facebook life. we do love it when fans visit our facebook page and give us their feedback visit d w euro max on facebook. continuing now with a final part in our series on pioneering women last but not least we are taking a look at door don't touch kobe she directed the oscar nominated movie loving about
the life and art of vincent van gogh well the film is the world's first fully painted feature we met up with a director to find out how she revolutionized animation using the oldest visual medium. loving vincent brings to life the story of dutch post-impressionist painter vincent van hall in his own pictures it's the first ever feature to animate paintings on canvas. it was polish artist who first came up with the idea. when i saw the paintings i think this is perfect because he painted his life.
that's what's on the painting which was really tempting because i thought if you bring the paintings to move in front of the. after it was shot with actors over one hundred painters and get back to cuba recreated each frame by hand to bring this dream to life. and her husband. led the team that put together this truly unique film. it's like. you know putting of the possible because you you've got the paintings and you don't really want to change them or you've got the biography you have got the facts from his life and also you've got you know. storytelling like very important. it took seven years and sixty five thousand individual paintings to create loving vincent disney's first animated feature length films were painted with water colors but using oils in animation is unchartered territory for the film industry. amazing
depth of emotion. by painting it you know lots of you have lots of control. one of the biggest challenges cappiello and her team had to overcome was finding sponsors and investors for a movie that was very difficult to imagine lots of people we are you know they. passion for van cost painting began as a young age she read the artist's letters when she was fifteen after studying fine arts she went on to specialize in animation at the warsaw film school. in twenty eleven she created her first short film little postman from her own oil painting. i felt that it's missing from my life the painting is just and i really felt i would like
to. you know bring it back or close that chapter of my life you know i just felt this is open and so i felt ok of the great to combine these two things and to paint a movie so that was a short film idea loving vincent was first planned as a short film but eventually grew into a ninety minute feature the work might not boast any special effects but it still do you need in the industry. film critic scott roxboro believes his idea could even mark the birth of a new genre. computer animation so dominates the field now we've gotten used to seeing it to such a degree that we've forgotten what paint looks like almost. and that pack our senses really is really revolutionary i think i hope really that all inspire a new generation of filmmakers to embrace this this really new medium which is of course the oldest media. of visual representation. since it premiered in twenty
seventeen the movie has been a major success receiving numerous international warrant it was even nominated for an oscar in the best animated feature category. it was also a lot for me as a person because i you know it's a first film it's a push film that's been ever nominated there's no money where man in an emotion industry and wanted to i'm not a coward both paul and in general i'm very proud i'm very. real has painted a pioneering portrait of vincent and called her groundbreaking bio epic is at once immersive and. well all this week we've been asking you to tell us which woman has really inspired you and mohamed mean wrote in from india and he told us he chose mother teresa because of her outstanding social work well done to you mohamed and
a special euro max watch will soon be reaching you all right time now for something to eat and for that we are headed to the exotic streets of istanbul in turkey turkish cuisine borrows many elements from middle eastern dishes and looting to chile cinnamon and of course lots of garlic well today we're going to learn how to make eggplant sure re with lamb so. the bosphorus brings together two very different worlds istanbul is the only city on earth to span two continents asia and europe the result is a unique cultural mix the car could district was once popular with russian pilgrims the andrea caracalla restaurant is below an orthodox church. this is the roof terrace church is called there's like three more in fifty meters distance one is
from fourteenth century. and the other three of them it's in eighteenth century actually start new it and you know in our building is built on eighteen nineteen seventy three. every sunday church services are still held up the restaurant it took two and a half years to restore the old building. the decor in the andrea cart of the restaurant is as colorful as the menu. one dish is particularly popular is going to cook special menu for cooks. cooks taking parts with the sultan's or actually this is here in ca to be on the. that is the sultan this is the what the sultan less we call it from khatib a.m.d. we just put it. we're going to put meat on the top that's a huge thing for tookie so the best recipe ground turkey cuisine actually. first we need to buying greediest said istanbul's egyptian bazaar also known as the
spice bazaar to locals and tourists flock to this market with its unique atmosphere . poor hunt joking around as a regular visitor. this is the best blizzard find in this room will also you know it is the same aspies those are it's where now right next to the next wall there everybody sells fresh food over here spices this you can find around this town will also probably part of the world you can find the best places around here so we get here by a biased of we're going to go and cook right now. back at the restaurant we meet chef air hahnville the runner. to make our big empty he needs eggplant lamb tomato puree flour onions milk butter oil and spices. and we start with the eggplant the most important and time consuming part of the
recipe. is that of the she did that to ensure they cook evenly i'm going to stab holes in them that stops them bursting during cooking. the vegetables are grilled for about thirty minutes till soft and meantime he cuts the lamb into small pieces . shoulder of lamb is generally the most tender cut the fries the meat and onions and olive oil on high heat. but don't stir the meat too often or it becomes watery. the plant is now ready. the grilled eggplant gives the dish and slightly smoky taste and that's what's special about this. recipe. to make a rue melt the butter and add flour stirring constantly. you need to cook it long enough so it doesn't taste of flour. gradually add milk stirring all the time to ensure no lumps appear. peel and puree the eggplant and then
add it to the song. finally add grated cheese made of cow's milk. the meat needs to simmer for around twenty minutes so that it's tender again. in the meantime the seasons the egg plant puree with salt pepper and make. the chili is very important for the stage. so we'll put one or two pods directly into the pot. and some of them with the meat. then arrange everything on a plate first the eggplant puree. then the meat. had garnish with grilled tomatoes and peppers. it's now ready to eat. a.m.d.
a turkish specialty not just a dish for sultans. good all right you can always find that recipe on our website and that brings us to the end of this edition of your romance but we will be back tomorrow for the highlights so we look forward to seeing you for that until then for me and the entire crew here as always thanks for joining us bye for now. time when you're in that style nice show with an italian fierce ensemble bringing paintings like her to life. the as a talented guitarist from italy. and a library ups our stock is from belgium this imo next time you're a match highlights.
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escaped i know nor there is a new fear of germany which is also an old fear of germany with new demands of being made of the country and these demands are pushing germany into dilemma. the quote by poland's foreign minister you just mentioned you would never have heard anybody particularly not somebody from poland say that before nine hundred ninety. there's this new demand for germany to lead within europe but that puts germany in a dilemma because if it assumes a position of power old fears about germany wanting supremacies and europe will rise again this is the new fear which is actually a fear dating back to the nineteenth century or before. and which germany's european neighbors have felt for at least two hundred years or. so i mean distance five hundred beneath the healing up act the can how can germany resolve this tense relationship with germany must take other european countries position
into account and also take their perception of germany and to account germany must also not look like the power politics necessary for europe to be a powerful global player. and chido for automatically this is a necessary balancing act and one of the greatest challenges for political leaders but also probably the in trying to hold hold or for political furor. minister had another minister speaking in brussels actually addressed precisely that challenge and said germany will have to lead from the center how could that work early because that by the to be honest i'm not quite sure what this leadership from the center main wants germany has to learn to be respectful of its neighbors while at the same time carrying out the necessary leadership duties. i'm not sure where the center comes in. to design that and you say germany must carry out its leadership duties but also that it would be problematic. if it did so to
assertively almost all top level officials and brussels pulling the strings a german that greatly upset some member states that i know. is that what germany wants to be a sort of behind the scenes puppet master that includes defend something you should have thought they thought the child would absolutely say at the most important level to which germany is showing political leadership lines beyond national interests in fact it even extends beyond the european union. or because the big question is how will europe treat the u.k. after breaks it would be for this isn't an e.u. issue we need to see germany as a nation probably together with france negotiating with the u.k. you fucked off this far i think the coup because the u.k. is not going to disappear from europe. rather europe can only be a strong global player if it has a constructive relationship with the u.k.
construct he was for her to cause put up in that type and back when germany was politically more peripheral that it tried to convince the benelux countries of its interests so that they would push them on the agenda of that strategy worked back then is that the right concept for the future or is germany allowed to be self-confident in expressing its wishes and setting its agenda as the time that i get into setting and the germany is not only allowed to be confident it has to be confident. but you can be confident without being inconsiderate towards this notion that germany must always be subtle and can't just be forthright in its demands no one in europe still thinks that the use of force or the globe to anybody in the whole part about death that it leads to trouble take the two recent examples when germany as you know in political leadership within europe and the eurozone crisis and the refugee crisis in the summer of two thousand and fifteen both times upon.
little course was taken that was set by germany and both times that caused big big trouble and massive anti german sentiment quickly flared up so how can this work. in there well germany made a grave mistake during the refugee crisis and that was to vote by majority in the european council to force countries to accept a quota of refugees against their will i don't think. that was seen as dictatorial . for the european debt crisis situation is more complicated. there are two very different versions of what happened exist within europe which are both logical to contradict each other. but on the one side there's the story told by mostly but not exclusively southern countries which says that germany reacted far too late. that you didn't want to risk it straight some place and the germans are geopolitical nationalists. on the other side we have the german version
of exactly the same political decision is to go to the third and put the door german say that they were not liable for other countries debts but that they helped greece anyway because they're such a good european is all you have are and he is right it has them down but to add to what you said we also very quickly began seeing pictures of angela merkel with a hit the mustache coming from greece how big must the fear of germany be and what is a feed on for such a poignant images to be produced that flying low of a patient the whole of germany's neighboring countries or almost all have had some form of military conflict with germany far with dogs for greece that conflict was the world war two occupation by germany or how the. that was when those stereotypes started over violent germans with their pickle how by helmets or thora tarion and militaristic that we face and the odd thing about stereotypes is that they can resurgent any time like
a volcano you thought was dormant which erupts again you go and work hard for the market that's how stereotypes generally work and it's exactly what we've seen happen these last years no one can doubt that's obvious did that. pitching it seems as if other european countries are no longer used to it germany that shows the same self-assurance as say france or britain or is this a test for europe often that i know. it's globin if that's the stomach that would hurt but i don't think that this has anything to do with cold war experiences manifesting themselves in the present day thought of who does all that noise so where does the fear come from well in france and france is the key partner in this context that fear dates at least as far back as the eight hundred seventy seventy want war. when france became painfully aware of the fact that it's not eastern neighbor germany or was structurally stronger. that he's talked to and then
france had to experience that bitter truth again in both world wars. because although france was on the winning side the french knew that if they had to face germany alone they would have lost that you can dodge like specular give you what was it their child a goal said in one thousand nine hundred forty six germany stays germany more recently in the eighties france one meter are spoken about the german nuclear bomb but he was referring to the dots mark in the german central bank which shows that other countries are no longer worried about germany's military strength but about its economic power as it does that mean germany is scary because it functions too well we hear. that. east germany is and will stay europe's strongest economy in a time when economic strength is more important than military strength. so germany is the strongest party and it can't shake that wrong which is why it has to find a way to use its strength constructively and strategically within europe. or
next world and national recent study asked europeans whether they find their country's culture superior to the neighboring countries cultures forty five percent of germans said they find their culture to be better than other europeans are we seeing a rising feeling of germans or perry or if he. had to go through. with this yes we are out of it and that's a german trait that dates back to the romantic era. in the early nineteenth century when europeans began to see themselves as nationals the french state already existed so the french could perceive themselves as a nation state however there was no unified germany at that time meaning germans initially had little choice but to find a unity through culture who told not to want for they saw themselves as a cultural nation if you will and this self image has always brought with it a tendency among germans to view themselves as culturally and morally superior and
thought that tendency can be traced throughout the nineteenth century right up to the end of the first half of the twentieth century. in the hope that the end although the content of the old self image has changed the mechanism of perceiving oneself as culturally and morally superior remains. a good example is germany's welcome culture in autumn two thousand and fifteen that sense of being morally correct was so strong you could almost touch it leave your heart of the better one side to side with him and for that cancer we recently had the chancellor announced that she's begun what could be called a step by step political withdrawal what political legacy will under merkel leave for europe that. i'm glad merkel has hopefully on a european level angela merkel's main political activity has been crisis management from cleveland she has also always tried to unite the european institutions with
varying degrees of success about her efforts were constant or patient institutes all of the how did she divide oh you know you're a guy in. the heart of the island she's been able to unite at least in part she managed to avoid the european institutions dismantling and separating particularly during the euro zone crisis how about in part she has also caused european division with regard to the refugee crises but i guess we'll never know the extent but several people in the u.k. said that the political decisions about refugees made in twenty fifteen helped the banks it's science when part is the part that's just directed for two so in this brics it is now that i've become mr and i as always i'd like to end our interview by asking you to complete three sentences germany yes i know quite a large and important power within europe which needs to lead constructively and with empathy part of. europe is. more than the european
union all it is shaped by the e.u. but also by the great diversity that goes beyond it the other way now let's get on and history is. there's the eagle in the marrow we look out without saying our own reflection clearly about but that shows as backgrounds which help us to better understand our present sounds good mr herder thanks for speaking with us thank you . continental is reinventing itself. as africa's tech scene discovers it's true potential. inventors entrepreneurs and high tech professionals talk about their visions successes and day to day business to present. its entire history you know everyone has to school. he's