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In a manner that is neutral toward religion. it says we have no doubt that the colorado civil rights commission will meet standard as they listen respectfully to all sides of the matter that come before and it issue dpigss uphold and p support under colorado law. so the courts verdict did not rule the cake makers refuse on the to make a cake for you constitutional but criticized the way the state handled his religious objections. is that one of the nuggets that youre encouraged about? >> absolut...

The way the state handled his religious objections. is that one of the nuggets that youre encouraged about? >> absolutely. we just got back from a rally at the state capitol. e governor spoke on our behalf and he you giant hug and said that he supported us. that felt good. >> jack phillips did offer to bake other goods for you but refused the wedding cake. what would you say to people who asked, why not just go to a cake maker who didnt object to same sex marriage? its an obvious question but i ...

Zb zblb. >> do you believe people are implicitly biassed against people? >> i think implicit bias is a problem for all people, not just police. unfortunately, too many of us in our great country jump to conclusions about each other. >> now, its being used on the campaign trail by republicans or donald trump supporters to say that shes saying that all police officers are racist or people are racist, but -- and many people criticized her for this but isnt it better if you admit you have biases and...

Presidential debate. >> doubt people are implicitly biased against people? >> i think implicit bias is a problem for all people, not just police. unfortunately, too many of us in our great country jump to conclusions about each other. >> now, its being used on the campaign trail by republicans or donald trump supporters to say that shes saying that all police officers are racist or people are racist, but -- and many people criticized her for this but isnt it better if you admit you have biases a...

Ive given back gifts, everything i think we did was compliant with the law, chuck, to the degree that i undermine trust in people, i have apologized. i think i would do some things differently. i think we need to change some of the ethics rules in virginia to provide more clarity and certainty for donors and office holders alike. >> joining me live, nbc news senior political editor mark murray. you had some people confused that, first, this was legal under virginia law, which it apparently s but...

Romney bain capital turns toward less risky buyouts. they spoke with romney and he thought putting money into young firms and i quote romney here, quote, would be just as good as acquiring an existing company and found that better. theres a lot greater risk in a start up than acquiring an existing company. romney was much more comfortable in an environment where the issue wasnt whether or not it would pan out, but whether the numbers would work. he knew himself. he was not at heart an entreprene...

The republican presidential race and no, it wasnt whether chris christie is joining the field. a political long shot par layed a strong performance in the fox debate and the florida straw poll to it jump into the top. tier. we continue our series of 2012 one on one interviews with herman cain. lets start with the fox polls that show your remarkable surge. the fox poll in late august perry and romney in the 20s and you were back at 6%. now, you are in the top tier along with the two of them insid...

Made up their mind, they dont like this massive government takeover of the health care system, and they want to put a stop to it. >> but todd, the question here wasnt whether or not the republican talking points have been successful. ill concede that they have been over the past several months. the question really is, is president obama by taking it to a new and different level here, and i think we both would agree he is, doing the right thing strategically. i think he absolutely is. theres been...

>> ironically -- >> todd for the opposition. go ahead. >> ironically the reason why he said, i dont know how this is going to play politically, its because he knows exactly how it will play politically. its a dud. not only in terms of national numbers, but look at targeted swing states for senate races, for example. look at arkansas, where voters by 30 points are opposed to this bill. florida by 20 points theyre opposed to it. in pennsylvania even, by 15 points voters are opposed to this bp bill...

Speech. he certainly can. but by and large the public has made up their mind, they dont like this massive government takeover of the health care system, and they want to put a stop to it. >> but todd, the question here wasnt whether or not the republican talking points have been successful. ill concede that they have been over the past several months. the question really is, is president obama by taking it to a new and different level here, and i think we both would agree he is, doing the right ...