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>> biden described al zawahiri as a terrorist who, quote, carved a trail, unquote of violence against u.s. citizens, reminding he was the mastermind of the attack of the uss cole. the fbi just updated its terrorist status for al zawahiri with the word "deceased." al zawahiri was killed in a precise strike on the balcony of a safe house with two hell fire missiles according to a u.s. official. no american personnel were on the ground in kabul at the time of the strike. no civilian casua...

To and beat any time things get tough. and i hate to see this president, who closed the door on the war on terror, go back and beat the war on terror drum. it does create this psychology, is the president keeping me safe? and the only person you can turn to is the president? i worry were impugning that psychology of the war on terror. and the down side of that psychology is it has created, its transmuted -- we saw john bolton talking about the coup detat he helped to plan. >> that was a bizarre ...

Country, the sad thing is, the us versus thems, that seems to work. >> something we do need to know is a lot more details. why was he hanging out in downtown kabul? what did the taliban do? did they provide intelligence maybe quietly? did they not know about this? what does this mean diplomatically? there are a lot of really important questions here. for the president to, number one, take action, they have this intelligence. imagine what a scandal it would be if they knew where he was and failed...

I often wonder whether that have any persuasive value to people, especially in politics. the idea -- it means you have to have shame, right? im going to be so embarrassed and scared that i might be judged badly today, that im not going to do today what i want to do. but i dont think that shame is that motivated, galvanizing factor for people they think about as how can i become that next great hero. >> well, shame is the stick. but you have to keep in mind that the carrot that bill russell would...

Be muhammad ali or martin luther king. >> or the olympians on the podium who held up their fists. >> thats right. >> they were not revered in time. they often speak about how badly they were treated in those moments. but youre onto something, the idea of how history judges and where the here and now comes into play. i will note, though, one of the most memorable instagram posts that ive seen was of bill russell. and he was kneeling with the presidential medal of freedom around his neck, praising...

Player. obviously im 53". im a little bit jaded. im jealous of a 610" person. wha who is the notion of a bill russell who is unapologetically standing up and not getting creamed for that, not vilified and made into a pariah. do we have that person any longer? >> im going to say in their time they didnt have twitter. unfortunately what feeds these algorithms is the ability to create all or nothing and then dissect this into camps around all or nothing. >> the us versus thems. >> the us versus the...