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built the submersible with this new material, the composite material, which is a departure how you normally build submersibles. there was a bit of chatter and debate in the community among engineers -- i'm not an engineer so i couldn't assess it. some said it's fine and the other group of critics said, no, using carbon fiber is not the right thing. the pressure is just too hard and over the long term it's not going to sustain. sadly those critics were proved right. >> david, officials say debris was found 1,600 feet from the titanic wreckage. does that indicate to you that maybe they actually made it to the wreckage of the titanic, or not necessarily? >> i think they were probably descending and getting close,