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kitchen table conversations going on all across the country. where he gets to highlight his record. donald trump is having defense table whisper conversations with his attorneys. not a good look. you can not get out there on the trail in a split screen of biden campaigning and trump in a criminal trial where he very easily could face conviction. we don't know. but he is in deep legal trouble right now. that is not a good look for trump. >> matthew, is there a moment in this process in this trial over the next several months where the biden administration has to comment? has to talk about what is going on without interfering in the trial or without appearing to be. using it to crystallize over what is at stake for the american voters. tuning some of this out. >> well, first, the first thing that i will say is i agree with jonathan on this.