Transcripts For ALJAZ Inside Story 2019 Ep 158 20240714 : vi

Engineers who were mostly white males trained algorithms with the data set of images that were themselves overwhelmingly of white males. The resulting algorithm struggled to recognize non white non male faces. The algorithm simply couldnt compute what they saw with what theyd been trained on. The same racial and gender bias that existed in the wider world was trained into the system itself. One of the other key parts of the debate has to do with the extent to which the Technology Works on different faces so whether its as effective on people of color or women is that changing does a kind of depend on the technology. Obsoleted is only them how its trying so its a lot of knowledge for example we have have trying to sell different emma graphics in different parts of the world but certainly in terms of if you step right kind of strip thought about debates away the on the underlying all its official intelligence is kind of an illiterate company trying to in any which way they can clearly be trying to you know and have it in her bosses with and. One of the sharpest growth areas of Artificial Intelligence that is being acquired by government authorities all over the world at the moment is of course facial recognition right have you got some concerns about this technology do you think its a good idea to be able to pick faces out of crowds or could it end badly the question is how much more is gained i think a by using facial recognition in terms of whos it deployed toward and in service of what you know one of the things we find is that often facial Recognition Technology zur argued for around Law Enforcement or terrorism do we have the data yet that says this is radically impacting theyre reducing terrorism is it working as a deterrent and effective deterrent for people to engage in crime the assumption underneath is very strong which is that we know who were looking for and i think thats a very difficult to prove assumption from the point of view of Law Enforcement. Theres a lot of other mechanisms like this where massive data gathering helps Law Enforcement only in the aftermath not so much in the prevention you know if you capture every piece of information about all the video in a city after crimes been committed that may help you solve the crime it gives you very little ability to prevent the crime and i suspect this will be quite similar so the Predictive Power of it is in no way certain right we just dont know and meanwhile though these concerns about who it can see who it cant see bias so there are some researchers joy one way and he and others who basically have shown that it cant really see at least at the moment it cant see black face is that a problem or one of several actually sees black womens faces the least effectively and so of course we want to make sure that there is accuracy especially if these things are used again to go make an arrest of someone and being used as the so called science that legitimate that arrest and i think this is one of the reasons why those researchers are trying to pursue better accuracy higher accuracy i think there are others who would say. Why are we legitimating facial Recognition Technology as we should actually be resisting them at every level i probably follow a little bit more along those lines and say why do we need these technologies who are they being pointed toward them why are they being trained on vulnerable communities in particular theres a big question why would we want to be included in these facial Recognition Technology is when the systems when theyre doing harm to specific communities and what it makes me think of is you know are we in an era where errors are one of the ways in which we protest these systems over which we have no control because right now it doesnt seem like we have that many mechanisms in place theres no court needed system by which we can. Protest or abolish certain kinds of systems. Or prevent them from being developed right so errors noise that sort of saying that seems increasingly like an area for fruitful discovery for civil disobedience the larger question of what were trying to accomplish as a society is the issue here and the Technology Makes it somewhat explicit if one of the things we think we want is Law Enforcement seeing everything that happens in our society with video covering every square every inch of the Public Square and facial recognition identifying every person wandering through that is that the society we want to live in its not the society i want to live in i think thats a terrible world and theres something intimate about the face in particular isnt there i feel like were only just starting to clock the ways that the data is gathered about all of us but i feel that people instinctively understand and have a lot of unease about their face being collected thinking about detroit earlier this year the city announced that it would be upping the number of surveillance cameras that its putting into the downtown area so that number will reach 500. 00 after a 5 year mark. And this is an area of detroit thats meant to be redeveloped and you know all sorts of changes are taking place and there are a number of Community Community members that are really upset about this because they feel these cameras wont be only used for socalled security purposes theyll be used for other kind of this Mission Creep idea that it will start to affect how people socialize with one another and its not just the Public Square is that right we see big kind of box Stores Walmart and others starting to test these these facial Recognition Software they say oh well we looked at it for shoplifters but were not going to use that we just want to improve the Customer Experience how comforted are you by that im not i mean i think that again even if the if its not Law Enforcement thats using these technologies but you know what does it mean that were again were trading off our privacy were trading off a certain quality of life that. We have come to rely upon to be ensnared in these systems so that these interoperable systems between companies can track my moves and of course they do this with our engagements on the internet and with our you know Smart Technologies in our in our pockets and in our bags im really concerned about that i mean thats much less as a technologist or as a scientist that worries me about and as a civil libertarian and in particular i think about. Restriction on our freedom to to associate if i associate with someone in the Public Square do i even take on some of that persons implicit guilt the point of these systems is to be modeling the level to which any of us should be subjected to additional Law Enforcement attention thats explicitly the point these techniques these tools are to highlight who Law Enforcement is to Pay Attention to there are plenty of people who will be watching this program who will say well we want to catch criminals in this does make me feel safer but i think these these technologies also get deployed in other ways like using facial Recognition Software when youre in a Job Interview and answering questions and profiling your face and your emotions and deciding whether or not you are reliable or trustworthy and having a machine in fact make a prediction about what whether youll be a great employee based on the kinds of facial gestures that you make i mean these kinds of things are being deployed right now theyre being tested in industry and. That says a lot of mean the what the kind of statistical model of great employee facial gestures looks like i think is incredibly subjective its cultural its not universal it cannot be standardized and yet we will see these things increasingly rolling out. Technology that can pick my face out of a crowd of people may seem innocuous and even kind of impressive. But when you think about the consequences for millions of ordinary people including really serious consequences then the conversation looks a little different romford here in east london is one of the places where metropolitan police have been testing their life facial Recognition Technology and the way that it works is pretty similar. A camera on this van here. Checks everybody who walks by against a database of known suspects if the camera and the software find a match when a person is stopped and searched and potentially arrested. Londons metropolitan police has been trialing facial Recognition Technology since 2016. The u. K. Capital already has the 2nd highest concentration of c. C. T. V. Cameras in the world only beijing has more its why theres a reluctance among civil liberty groups like liberty and big brother watch to accept another layer of surveillance. We are supposed to just expect every time its been used and we found that 98 percent of that much is have an accurate he identified in the survivors of the public as potentially once its criminals 98 percent yes. A lot of this inaccuracy is down to bad data for Quality Images loaded into the algorithms images often taken from low grade c. C. T. V. Footage. The technology is far from proven and its use mired in controversy thats why even a city like San Francisco the home of tech has banned facial recognition from being used by civic authorities including the police but in london right now there is no ban this isnt just catching images of people its an identity check its subjects members of the public to perpetual police line up so what do you say when theres this comment made well actually if we could get this technology right then maybe it will reduce some of the cup. By and so bias policing and so forth whether were talking about humans eliminating discrimination or technology and in 1000 discrimination the has to be the intent and what we can see already with this Experimental Technology being used its never been tested potential racial biases there is no ins had to test the technology and see how its working and see how its affecting oh so unfortunate i dont think this is going to solve any of those problems. Over the next few hours we would see a number of arrests but not we were told because of matches through facial Recognition Technology these arrests were the result of Old Fashioned police work. More officers on the be leading to more arrests. Just as the trial in romford was about to end for the day plain clothed officers moved in to apprehend a man from a nearby Fast Food Restaurant his image had been flagged by the facial Recognition Technology after police carried out identity checks he was arrested. Artificial intelligence has come a long way since its early days of unfulfilled promise and shaky robots. But were still far from Building Computers that can do all the things humans can do. And were finding that Machine Learning can reflect some of our biases right back at us. In the next episode of the world according to a i will explore the choice we all face a lot of official intelligence biggest win prove the lives of everyone. Or to keep power and privilege where they already are. After decades of being programmed with instructions data hungry computers can now learn on their own identifying patterns and predicting human behavior. Artificial intelligence can monitor our movement. And decide on our future the big picture decodes of the world according to ai and exposes the bias inside the machine to on aljazeera. And it certainly has been wet for some of us in north america recently the wettest of the weather has been around the south coast to some of the gulf states have seen a fair amount of flooding is still staying on settled in this whole region as we head through the next few days so there is still the risk of seeing more flooding as we head through saturday and into sunday so more to the west is drawing a here and the temperatures are rising to say for l. A. 25 should be our maximum on saturday but well get up to around 28 in l. A. As we head into sunday and thats 82 in fahrenheit i mean further towards the south theres plenty of showers here some rather heavy ones over parts of cuba jamaica and into his spine yola and then plenty of them as you head further south to say force in venezuela and into colombia loss of what weather here and that stretches of further towards the west as well for south america plenty of sunshine here actually over the next few days so for 14 days it will get to around 30. 40 in rio we should get to 27. 00 it is cooler in the south so one is always will be struggling our maximum temperature will be around 70 but thats about what you should expect this time of year for the west for us in santiago will be around 19 or 20 at least theyll be a good deal of sunshine here little bit further south the clouds will be building enough to bring us some showers. Shall i call the. Garage is. A crossover minister the king missed. A european judge tasked with imposing nor a new order and a trial testing the nose of a new from the nation. Whitney. Highway on out. Its a daunting climb to one of the holiest sites in Bhutan Tigers nest ball astri seems to defy gravity every beautys is expected to complete the pilgrimage to ensure peace and happiness when it became a democracy in 2008 the time put happiness at the center of all political policy inspiring the un to pass a resolution urging other nations to follow betimes example but how do you measure it many brittanys happiness is what we ensure it if it is quantifiable but by simply turning its pursuit into policy bhutan has done what no other country has. This is al jazeera. Watching the news hour live from our headquarters here in doha coming up in the next 60 minutes the United States and mexico reach a deal to avoid punitive tariffs with President Donald Trump saying mexico has agreed to stem the flow of migrants into the United States. As Prime Minister meets sudans protests. Leaders and the military jointer but the opposition says his mediation must only lead to civilian rule. Amnesty International Appeals to saudi arabia not to execute a teenage boy in jail since he was 13 and facing the death penalty. And thousands of liberians turn out to protest against rising prices and the footballer turned president george weah. U. S. President donald trump says his government has now reached a migration deal with mexico suspending trade tariffs that would you to come into effect on monday under the deal migrants currently in the u. S. Awaiting asylum will be sent back to mexico for their cases to be presented mexico will strengthen its migration laws and curb human smuggling operations to reduce the flow of migrants into the United States mexicos foreign minister spoke to journalists just after that deal was announced by President Trump on twitter. Last 1000 years extended under my name in the United States will immediately abide by section 235 and will deploy along this southern border it will imply that those who cross the u. S. Southern border to request asylum will be returned to mexico where they can wait the resolution of their application for asylum in its part of mexico for humanitarian reasons and in compliance with International Obligations we authorize the entrance of those people to await their asylum applications. We have 2 correspondents covering this story john holeman is standing by in tapachula next to the Mexican Border with quarter mile of 1st lets take it sue washington and our correspondent there rob randall so rob what does the u. S. Commit itself to here. Well the u. S. Commits itself with mexico to try and shore up the economies and the security situation in these countries of Central America where there is so much poverty so much Gang Violence so much criminality that the that those are described as the root causes after all of migration so theres no price tag attached to that there is no money in the joint statement but the implication there is that mexico and the United States are working together with possibly International Organizations are going to try and help Central America and Central America so that they wont have to leave home the u. S. Also now as as the foreign minister was saying has the power now to expand a program that it was already doing just to a certain extent somewhat euphemistically called the Migrant Protection Program which protocol which allowed the United States to take refugees or would be excuse me would be Asylum Seekers who came from el salvador guatemala honduras came to the United States would send them back to mexico to wait adjudicate adjudication of their claims in the Technology Works<\/a> on different faces so whether its as effective on people of color or women is that changing does a kind of depend on the technology. Obsoleted is only them how its trying so its a lot of knowledge for example we have have trying to sell different emma graphics in different parts of the world but certainly in terms of if you step right kind of strip thought about debates away the on the underlying all its official intelligence is kind of an illiterate company trying to in any which way they can clearly be trying to you know and have it in her bosses with and. One of the sharpest growth areas of Artificial Intelligence<\/a> that is being acquired by government authorities all over the world at the moment is of course facial recognition right have you got some concerns about this technology do you think its a good idea to be able to pick faces out of crowds or could it end badly the question is how much more is gained i think a by using facial recognition in terms of whos it deployed toward and in service of what you know one of the things we find is that often facial Recognition Technology<\/a> zur argued for around Law Enforcement<\/a> or terrorism do we have the data yet that says this is radically impacting theyre reducing terrorism is it working as a deterrent and effective deterrent for people to engage in crime the assumption underneath is very strong which is that we know who were looking for and i think thats a very difficult to prove assumption from the point of view of Law Enforcement<\/a>. Theres a lot of other mechanisms like this where massive data gathering helps Law Enforcement<\/a> only in the aftermath not so much in the prevention you know if you capture every piece of information about all the video in a city after crimes been committed that may help you solve the crime it gives you very little ability to prevent the crime and i suspect this will be quite similar so the Predictive Power<\/a> of it is in no way certain right we just dont know and meanwhile though these concerns about who it can see who it cant see bias so there are some researchers joy one way and he and others who basically have shown that it cant really see at least at the moment it cant see black face is that a problem or one of several actually sees black womens faces the least effectively and so of course we want to make sure that there is accuracy especially if these things are used again to go make an arrest of someone and being used as the so called science that legitimate that arrest and i think this is one of the reasons why those researchers are trying to pursue better accuracy higher accuracy i think there are others who would say. Why are we legitimating facial Recognition Technology<\/a> as we should actually be resisting them at every level i probably follow a little bit more along those lines and say why do we need these technologies who are they being pointed toward them why are they being trained on vulnerable communities in particular theres a big question why would we want to be included in these facial Recognition Technology<\/a> is when the systems when theyre doing harm to specific communities and what it makes me think of is you know are we in an era where errors are one of the ways in which we protest these systems over which we have no control because right now it doesnt seem like we have that many mechanisms in place theres no court needed system by which we can. Protest or abolish certain kinds of systems. Or prevent them from being developed right so errors noise that sort of saying that seems increasingly like an area for fruitful discovery for civil disobedience the larger question of what were trying to accomplish as a society is the issue here and the Technology Makes<\/a> it somewhat explicit if one of the things we think we want is Law Enforcement<\/a> seeing everything that happens in our society with video covering every square every inch of the Public Square<\/a> and facial recognition identifying every person wandering through that is that the society we want to live in its not the society i want to live in i think thats a terrible world and theres something intimate about the face in particular isnt there i feel like were only just starting to clock the ways that the data is gathered about all of us but i feel that people instinctively understand and have a lot of unease about their face being collected thinking about detroit earlier this year the city announced that it would be upping the number of surveillance cameras that its putting into the downtown area so that number will reach 500. 00 after a 5 year mark. And this is an area of detroit thats meant to be redeveloped and you know all sorts of changes are taking place and there are a number of Community Community<\/a> members that are really upset about this because they feel these cameras wont be only used for socalled security purposes theyll be used for other kind of this Mission Creep<\/a> idea that it will start to affect how people socialize with one another and its not just the Public Square<\/a> is that right we see big kind of box Stores Walmart<\/a> and others starting to test these these facial Recognition Software<\/a> they say oh well we looked at it for shoplifters but were not going to use that we just want to improve the Customer Experience<\/a> how comforted are you by that im not i mean i think that again even if the if its not Law Enforcement<\/a> thats using these technologies but you know what does it mean that were again were trading off our privacy were trading off a certain quality of life that. We have come to rely upon to be ensnared in these systems so that these interoperable systems between companies can track my moves and of course they do this with our engagements on the internet and with our you know Smart Technologies<\/a> in our in our pockets and in our bags im really concerned about that i mean thats much less as a technologist or as a scientist that worries me about and as a civil libertarian and in particular i think about. Restriction on our freedom to to associate if i associate with someone in the Public Square<\/a> do i even take on some of that persons implicit guilt the point of these systems is to be modeling the level to which any of us should be subjected to additional Law Enforcement<\/a> attention thats explicitly the point these techniques these tools are to highlight who Law Enforcement<\/a> is to Pay Attention<\/a> to there are plenty of people who will be watching this program who will say well we want to catch criminals in this does make me feel safer but i think these these technologies also get deployed in other ways like using facial Recognition Software<\/a> when youre in a Job Interview<\/a> and answering questions and profiling your face and your emotions and deciding whether or not you are reliable or trustworthy and having a machine in fact make a prediction about what whether youll be a great employee based on the kinds of facial gestures that you make i mean these kinds of things are being deployed right now theyre being tested in industry and. That says a lot of mean the what the kind of statistical model of great employee facial gestures looks like i think is incredibly subjective its cultural its not universal it cannot be standardized and yet we will see these things increasingly rolling out. Technology that can pick my face out of a crowd of people may seem innocuous and even kind of impressive. But when you think about the consequences for millions of ordinary people including really serious consequences then the conversation looks a little different romford here in east london is one of the places where metropolitan police have been testing their life facial Recognition Technology<\/a> and the way that it works is pretty similar. A camera on this van here. Checks everybody who walks by against a database of known suspects if the camera and the software find a match when a person is stopped and searched and potentially arrested. Londons metropolitan police has been trialing facial Recognition Technology<\/a> since 2016. The u. K. Capital already has the 2nd highest concentration of c. C. T. V. Cameras in the world only beijing has more its why theres a reluctance among civil liberty groups like liberty and big brother watch to accept another layer of surveillance. We are supposed to just expect every time its been used and we found that 98 percent of that much is have an accurate he identified in the survivors of the public as potentially once its criminals 98 percent yes. A lot of this inaccuracy is down to bad data for Quality Images<\/a> loaded into the algorithms images often taken from low grade c. C. T. V. Footage. The technology is far from proven and its use mired in controversy thats why even a city like San Francisco<\/a> the home of tech has banned facial recognition from being used by civic authorities including the police but in london right now there is no ban this isnt just catching images of people its an identity check its subjects members of the public to perpetual police line up so what do you say when theres this comment made well actually if we could get this technology right then maybe it will reduce some of the cup. By and so bias policing and so forth whether were talking about humans eliminating discrimination or technology and in 1000 discrimination the has to be the intent and what we can see already with this Experimental Technology<\/a> being used its never been tested potential racial biases there is no ins had to test the technology and see how its working and see how its affecting oh so unfortunate i dont think this is going to solve any of those problems. Over the next few hours we would see a number of arrests but not we were told because of matches through facial Recognition Technology<\/a> these arrests were the result of Old Fashioned<\/a> police work. More officers on the be leading to more arrests. Just as the trial in romford was about to end for the day plain clothed officers moved in to apprehend a man from a nearby Fast Food Restaurant<\/a> his image had been flagged by the facial Recognition Technology<\/a> after police carried out identity checks he was arrested. Artificial intelligence has come a long way since its early days of unfulfilled promise and shaky robots. But were still far from Building Computers<\/a> that can do all the things humans can do. And were finding that Machine Learning<\/a> can reflect some of our biases right back at us. In the next episode of the world according to a i will explore the choice we all face a lot of official intelligence biggest win prove the lives of everyone. Or to keep power and privilege where they already are. After decades of being programmed with instructions data hungry computers can now learn on their own identifying patterns and predicting human behavior. Artificial intelligence can monitor our movement. And decide on our future the big picture decodes of the world according to ai and exposes the bias inside the machine to on aljazeera. And it certainly has been wet for some of us in north america recently the wettest of the weather has been around the south coast to some of the gulf states have seen a fair amount of flooding is still staying on settled in this whole region as we head through the next few days so there is still the risk of seeing more flooding as we head through saturday and into sunday so more to the west is drawing a here and the temperatures are rising to say for l. A. 25 should be our maximum on saturday but well get up to around 28 in l. A. As we head into sunday and thats 82 in fahrenheit i mean further towards the south theres plenty of showers here some rather heavy ones over parts of cuba jamaica and into his spine yola and then plenty of them as you head further south to say force in venezuela and into colombia loss of what weather here and that stretches of further towards the west as well for south america plenty of sunshine here actually over the next few days so for 14 days it will get to around 30. 40 in rio we should get to 27. 00 it is cooler in the south so one is always will be struggling our maximum temperature will be around 70 but thats about what you should expect this time of year for the west for us in santiago will be around 19 or 20 at least theyll be a good deal of sunshine here little bit further south the clouds will be building enough to bring us some showers. Shall i call the. Garage is. A crossover minister the king missed. A european judge tasked with imposing nor a new order and a trial testing the nose of a new from the nation. Whitney. Highway on out. Its a daunting climb to one of the holiest sites in Bhutan Tigers<\/a> nest ball astri seems to defy gravity every beautys is expected to complete the pilgrimage to ensure peace and happiness when it became a democracy in 2008 the time put happiness at the center of all political policy inspiring the un to pass a resolution urging other nations to follow betimes example but how do you measure it many brittanys happiness is what we ensure it if it is quantifiable but by simply turning its pursuit into policy bhutan has done what no other country has. This is al jazeera. Watching the news hour live from our headquarters here in doha coming up in the next 60 minutes the United States<\/a> and mexico reach a deal to avoid punitive tariffs with President Donald Trump<\/a> saying mexico has agreed to stem the flow of migrants into the United States<\/a>. As Prime Minister<\/a> meets sudans protests. Leaders and the military jointer but the opposition says his mediation must only lead to civilian rule. Amnesty International Appeals<\/a> to saudi arabia not to execute a teenage boy in jail since he was 13 and facing the death penalty. And thousands of liberians turn out to protest against rising prices and the footballer turned president george weah. U. S. President donald trump says his government has now reached a migration deal with mexico suspending trade tariffs that would you to come into effect on monday under the deal migrants currently in the u. S. Awaiting asylum will be sent back to mexico for their cases to be presented mexico will strengthen its migration laws and curb human smuggling operations to reduce the flow of migrants into the United States<\/a> mexicos foreign minister spoke to journalists just after that deal was announced by President Trump<\/a> on twitter. Last 1000 years extended under my name in the United States<\/a> will immediately abide by section 235 and will deploy along this southern border it will imply that those who cross the u. S. Southern border to request asylum will be returned to mexico where they can wait the resolution of their application for asylum in its part of mexico for humanitarian reasons and in compliance with International Obligations<\/a> we authorize the entrance of those people to await their asylum applications. We have 2 correspondents covering this story john holeman is standing by in tapachula next to the Mexican Border<\/a> with quarter mile of 1st lets take it sue washington and our correspondent there rob randall so rob what does the u. S. Commit itself to here. Well the u. S. Commits itself with mexico to try and shore up the economies and the security situation in these countries of Central America<\/a> where there is so much poverty so much Gang Violence<\/a> so much criminality that the that those are described as the root causes after all of migration so theres no price tag attached to that there is no money in the joint statement but the implication there is that mexico and the United States<\/a> are working together with possibly International Organizations<\/a> are going to try and help Central America<\/a> and Central America<\/a> so that they wont have to leave home the u. S. Also now as as the foreign minister was saying has the power now to expand a program that it was already doing just to a certain extent somewhat euphemistically called the Migrant Protection Program<\/a> which protocol which allowed the United States<\/a> to take refugees or would be excuse me would be Asylum Seekers<\/a> who came from el salvador guatemala honduras came to the United States<\/a> would send them back to mexico to wait adjudicate adjudication of their claims in the Legal Process<\/a> for for. Seeking that asylum status so that is going to be expanded and theres going to be a long list a long wait for many of those people on the mexican side of the border before they get their cases or is there anything in here as far as we know so far the u. S. Had one suit but its had to kiss off. The u. S. Wanted an arrangement whereby people coming from guatemala into mexico would have to stay in mexico that be the 1st country that they could claim asylum in or. Yes that they had a position of relative safety and by the same token people coming from honduras and from el salvador entering guatemala on their way to mexico on their way to the United States<\/a> would have to stay in guatemala so that was one of the more extreme demands the u. S. Had and that was. Eliminated in the final agreement a big question remains however peter and i hope we can address this with john who knows this territory very well there and shop us along the the guatemalan border. Its a jungle e forested very rough and somewhat primitive area in terms of infrastructure so can 6000 Mexican National<\/a> guardsmen completely seal off that area as President Trump<\/a> implied in his tweet i think maybe not rob thanks very much rob reynolds reporting live from washington and lets go to the Mexican Border<\/a> correspondent john holeman is that so john what does mexico gets what does mexico lose here. Why i think what makes co gets is to keep being able to trade with the United States<\/a> without those terrorists thats the big win isnt it and thats what they were seeking to avoid on monday were on the border weve got the malo but we were hearing on the border in t one a on the border of the United States<\/a> that people were really already lining up big queues to try and get goods across before those terrorists kicked in says can be a huge amount of relief from the Business Community<\/a> in mexico and actually the president said that hes still going to hold his rally in one of the use of money in defense of mexican think maty is a sort of celebration of that now what does mexico had to give up i think rob really touched on it there the biggest part of things that mexico is going to have to give up is a fact that anyone thats in the United States<\/a> and waiting for asylum can now be put into mexico while they wait for their case to be heard and that can take a very long time in the United States<\/a> thats why she something the u. S. Was already doing unilaterally is already between 8 and 10000 Asylum Seekers<\/a> that are already been put back into mexico but this means they can expand it the Mexican Government<\/a> said that they will have problem programs for them theyll have human rights sort of programs for them so theyre sort of embracing that in a way that they hadnt done before and accepting that its going to happen another thing is the National Guard<\/a> now this is a new Security Force<\/a> the president will preside over a dog its basically his answer to mexicos record levels of violence now he obviously will and to be tackling those record levels of violence he wouldnt want them necessarily to be deployed to the southern border where we are weve got somalia trying to get my stop migrants from other countries getting through so i doubt that hell be that happy that hes had to sort of send his new crack force that hes trying to pull together right now make its priority being on the southern border i mean those are the 2 areas really where mexico is. To give a bit but theyre not too extreme theyre not things maybe that they were already anticipating having to do chances are of course john in the next couple of hours or so well hear the mexican president and his foreign minister saying this is a good deal for the people that work at the coalface i mean the people who work in the Agricultural Industry<\/a> in mexico you know the people that literally farm the avocados that go to california that go to texas is this good for them will they think this is the best way forward. I think they definitely will i think that the terrorists if you are in the business or the farming sector some of the people that you just mentioned theyre obviously going to think that this is this is a good thing and we dont even have to wait a couple of hours the Mexican Foreign<\/a> ministers already come out the president s already come out and said its a good do such interesting listening to why the foreign minister thought it was a good deal and he said its because we managed to find some middle ground and avoid them more extreme suggestions the most that the one he actually mentioned what makes a really didnt want to do that she mentioned that the 3rd save country having people from guatemala having to stop in mexico because it was the 1st country they got to him its quite a bizarre suggestion also from the United States<\/a> calling mexico a safe country because its a country which gangs and cartels really enjoy preying on the vulnerable migrants and in which as i mentioned were undergoing record levels of violence here so that was sort of not to the table and the Mexican Foreign<\/a> minister was quite sort of triumphant about that john thanks very much lets stay with this developing story Eric Farnsworth<\/a> is Vice President<\/a> of the council of the americas he joins us from washington eric great to have you back here on the news one more time whats your take on this. Well thanks for having me back i think this is a victory both for the United States<\/a> and mexico in the immediate circumstance of mexico avoids what could potentially be devastating terrorist sure it starts at 5 percent but with rapid escalation of 25 percent that would be a huge hit on the mexican economy and from the United States<\/a> perspective the president can claim victory say that hes now the son got in mexico to agree to do something that will supposedly reduce the migration pressure that the us southwest border so there is enough in here for both sides to claim victory but its only an agreement on paper now it has to be implemented and oftentimes at the most difficult part who picks up the price tag i mean if the mexicans have to take the new crack and see crime squads redress them literally in some sort of combat fatigues and send them south so that the guatemalan billies Mexican Border<\/a> whos going to pay for that. Well mexican taxpayers will pay for that because they have to support there are Security Force<\/a>s and youre right this is a new deployment on mexicos southern border its something that the United States<\/a> frankly has been calling for for a long time on the theory that if you can stop the people flow from Central America<\/a> and mexico southern more theyll never make it to the northern border which of course is with the United States<\/a> so there will be an additional cost from that perspective there will also be an increased cost from the perspective of broader Law Enforcement<\/a> activities mexico has committed to redouble its efforts to dismantle people of smuggling enterprises not just physically but also financially and really to try to make that a priority those are difficult issues little will require Additional Resources<\/a> will have to see if theyre successful are ok as far as donald trump is concerned i mean where did the new imperative come from because the relationship because to me between mexico city and washington has been the holy and the negative for the past 2 years and then something clicked something changed maybe 10 days 2 weeks ago and the choreography was wrapped up in very positive language. Yeah youre exactly right you know what seems to be the immediate condition for why this occurred was the presentation of the you know southwest border of the city of el paso of approximately 1000 migrants and it seemed as if that just. The president on this course but i think that what changed the dynamic was 2 things number one the government of mexico presented itself as very willing to negotiate it did not cut back it did not push back and take a nationalistic stance and said ok we understand this were going to try to Work Together<\/a> to resolve it that was the 1st step the 2nd step with that the president of the United States<\/a> only heard negative responses to his own","publisher":{"@type":"Organization","name":"archive.org","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","width":"800","height":"600","url":"\/\/ia801001.us.archive.org\/31\/items\/ALJAZ_20190608_073200_Inside_Story_2019_Ep_158\/ALJAZ_20190608_073200_Inside_Story_2019_Ep_158.thumbs\/ALJAZ_20190608_073200_Inside_Story_2019_Ep_158_000001.jpg"}},"autauthor":{"@type":"Organization"},"author":{"sameAs":"archive.org","name":"archive.org"}}],"coverageEndTime":"20240716T12:35:10+00:00"}