Hi anthony ok and youre in the stream today the kurds in syria how will turkeys plan to establish a safe zone in Northern Syria impact the regions kurdish population if you have questions or comments on this issue well try to get them answered so share your thoughts with us via twitter or in our live you tube chat. A 5 day ceasefire has just ended in Northern Syria and now turkey and russia are ready to establish a safe so the Syrian Refugees so what does this mean for the kurds who are already living that following the sudden withdrawal of u. S. Troops from the region turkey embarked on operation peace spring a military plan a tent on pushing kurdish Led Syrian Democratic forces away from the syria turkey border its goal is to create an area where Syrian Refugees could be repatriated after a week of fighting with Kurdish Forces turkey agreed to a 5 day ceasefire last thursday that despite that agreement shelling and other military action have been reported and around 180000 civilians have been displaced thats according to view and aid groups are worried that turkeys operation could spark a humanitarian crisis so today well discuss how the latest Foreign Policy moves in syria will affect the kurds joining us to discuss this in erbil iraq she ran fazio herders political analyst in doha aljazeera a Senior Correspondent in the kasha going im in london i live sara khan an anthropologist at the London School of economics shes also an activist with the kurdish womens movement. And in istanbul you sit around a political analyst with world gets to have you all with us and guess as we were getting ready for this show there was a news break on aljazeera we saw these pictures as president and president putin in conversation in a News Conference which directly related to the conversation with many and of course that is what is dominating our feeds right now people online especially on twitter are talking about it so i wanted to share this tweet from sonar sonorous the director of Turkish Research program at the Washington Institute for near east policy and sonya writes the outcome of that News Conference the one meeting in sochi today indicates that erdogan has become a master of leveraging the u. S. And russia against each other to maximize gains turkey got the safe zone it wanted all this time so he seems to put it out there as though this was a very strategic move what is your take on what we saw today in this press conference and on the operation that preceded it well thanks for having me like to differ with mr sonner charkha by actually a few remarks there is no president but its our truly president clinton i mean sort of his u. S. Withdrawal in goes over northeastern syria its actually good to have that has managed to drive a wedge between european and need to ours turkey has been. Acting against the interests of the west and more specifically the nato in the middle east and more specifically in syria for the past 6 years and i think the winner of the us withdrawal and the turkish incursions in North Eastern syria its mr putin who finally achieved its objectives by driving a wedge between nato allies he said your president set of president putin might find anything what difference does involvement of russia make to the current operation in that move east inside of syria. It makes a great difference because while youve reached a deal diplomatically at the table with the americans via the peds added you want to repeat it last week so that that for that diplomacy trickle down into the field you need to sit down and also have that we have a permit with the russians because theyre the ones with boots on the ground and theyre the ones where the guarantor of the regime so i partly agree with some that. Said tweet saying that turkey got what it wanted to cover most of what it wanted not everything but most of what it wanted it had to make some compromises but this is the plane is c. And b. Entered he launched an operation that lasted 7 days and in that 7 days it was able to secure 120 kilometers by 300. 35 kilometers deep and for the rest of that safe zone area the rest of the 440 or qualm matters outside of the 120 kilometer area it was able to secure most of what it wanted and it did this diplomatically without loss of life it was able of void sanctions from the United States it was able to save its relationship with the u. S. Without escalating it berther it was able to produce cement its relations with the russians also and most importantly address its National Security concerns says the group known as the y p g the Peoples Protection unit this is a kurdish Paramilitary Group in the area right or previews of this terrorist americans call the Coalition Partner and frankly they have direct links to a group that has tried that the by a faction of the territorial integrity of turkey prepare your site he said he was having the whole debate by himself limping in a few of the people have now tasha. And he suppressed talking about the 7 day operation during those 7 days on the ground refugee and syrians moving from north east syria into iraq i want to play just im showing people here. Twitter feed because you were there actually doing some reporting this lady is called nada and i want you to tell us more about the stories of the syrians who had to flee and when they sooty we are syrian but we hit our country we dont want to go back and nedra and her sister each paid a smuggler 600. 00 she says she and her 2 Young Children walked for 5 days. To visit a bit out of them i was alone in the desert. A little how do i look everybody left it was just me and my children i was suffering on. This latest senator or of they on the very high level those policies going on a very high level he went down on the ground with real people what was he saying what we inherited. Well 1st of all despite the seas fire the number of Syrian Refugees that continue to be smuggled over the border spike in that duration so were now at about 4 than 7000 Syrian Refugees primarily kurds who has been smuggled over the border into iraq to escape this turkish incursion why are they being smuggled people tell us they told us repeatedly in aid groups are confirming that kurdish fighters on the syrian side at checkpoints were prohibiting them from crossing so they were forced to pay smugglers in some cases a few 100. 00 a head and as you just heard from one of the women i spoke to in a net if they want to hide things in the desert. Who has they were lawyers honestly have no idea how they need it but in any event these people are saying yes weve been displaced several times in our own countries throughout this more than a year long war but for many of them this is the 1st time they had actually left syria and this was their 1st stint in an actual refugee camp and look i think theres been a lot of discussion about geopolitics gaining whos losing and at the end as also and in the case especially in my firsthand experience the Syrian People who are suffering the syrians that i spoke to do not want to go back home theyre afraid of eiffel sleeper cells they are afraid of eiffel fighters who were in detainment camps whove escaped there are afraid of what will happen to them once Syrian Forces move into cities that had been predominantly controlled by kurds worry about persecution and repr cautions and simply again the people that ive spoken to have no clue and whats different is throughout the war when ive spoken to refugees theyve talked about the hope of going home and the dream to return to their home. And this time is very different i think that they are really at their with and and the people that ive spoken to said that they are now looking to begin their lives a new. And. I think you know i i agree with natasha focus on speaking about the human aspect of whats happening because when it comes to big geopolitics often this is missed and its important to understand you know whether its the one where there was the socalled 120 hour cease fire or before you know in practice we seen and its been widely reported that there was actually never a ceasefire either the turkish state and its allied forces on the ground as well as violated the cease fire 27. 00 times theres been an amnesty report saying that theres been damning evidence of war crimes committed by the Turkish Forces and its allied to Syrian Forces and its shameful disregard for human life a british chemical weapons expert hamish that britain gordon has said the wounds of many of these people who were taken into hospitals were consistent with the use of the chemical weapon White Phosphorus so when we talk about these geopolitics Lindsey Hilsum who was a British Channel 4 reporter put it perfectly she said there is a good Old Fashioned phrase for what turkey is trying to do and that is ethnic cleansing if there has been hundreds of thousands of people already disciplined theres been countless civilian lives affected and killed we need to say what it is because there is clearly a play on the. Again a century on another play on the dynamics in the power play of the middle east so we need to make sure that the people are not losing again you know after. After you know how you know several years long war against the against isis by the Syrian Democratic forces 11000 fighters were killed to save the whole world from the evil of isis and what does the turkish stay. Try to do essentially go on an isis rescue mission and what does this mean the gains of these people who while fighting against isis will building democratic ecological and womens liberation a system is at risk now and this risks the stability the future the civilization of that region but potentially in the world when we have a whole world crisis is we are desperately in need of alternative systems and this is what the forces the Syrian Democratic forces that are not just because theyre arabs turkmens many christian groups were building is now being risk is being attacked and therefore again trying to impose a century old sectarian conflicts and these people who just want to live together now and dont want also or terry and dictatorial who should stick states messing with their livelihoods and this is exactly what add ons turkish state is doing and if i hear what youre saying and i think a lot of people in our community would agree with you im seeing those comments coming on you tube but i want to bring this up this is a tweet from someone whos handle is lone walker and you said ill give this to you alone says syria is currently in turmoil with several actors contributing towards its instability however creating a safe zone by turkey is a good idea as it lowers the weight coming with the refugees settlement in that country and of course we recently had a show in which you were on where we talked about that issue in turkey and the numbers of refugees there so turkey says that this idea this is a safe zone is to deal with the numbers of refugees that they have in their country what do you make of what air force saying and what this person says is a good idea. Well 1st i want to address the chemical weapons accusation by the. Parts of the western media that is totally inaccurate turkey has never had chemical weapons turkey has never own chemical weapons it is never used chemical weapons in the history of its military and it never will its great to have a prohibition on its chemical weapons now as for refugees now turkey has taken the brunt of refugees during this syrian conflict and i think everyone on this program can agree that what turkey has done is very commendable and the safe haven that its provide not only for the 3600000 refugees inside the country but also for the 6000000 people that it protects in the upper Euphrates Shield zone and also in the isle of grain so it is well also has either you money rights. The turkey didnt take care so this is why we are so special i am a circus so f. F. D. Did you hear he said he sat and he listened through to the point she wanted to make he sat and he allowed you to make them and now hes going to have the conversation back with him to allow him the same question just how tight from moment so you can hear him respond go ahead and i guess for. Me he got about 3000000000. 00 out of 6000000000 years that was promised to take you also spent 40000000000. 00 out of its own pocket but this is not my dad this is the United Nations that are so it has played a Critical Role in protecting the Syrian Refugees but it comes at a time when the Refugee Status turns into a permanent residence a absorbing this much is just too much for terry its time to bring these people back but they bring these people back they need to have a safe home present i want laid out a very good at least Building Program for this area that hes hoping for International Support hes not just trying to dump these people back into assads lap hes trying to provide a safe area for them trying to provide their own to go back for them i think thats a very commendable job and so you said let me just and let me just go to the present one from the News Conference schieffer and i hear you. Use have mentioned operation olive branches in the northwestern part of syria where president obama says a safe space created for refugees hes hoping to do the same part in the same thing in the North Eastern part of syria and have a listen back to that press conference this is how he described it we have secured a 4000 square kilometer. Area and cleared from terrorists. This area that we have secured and made safe 360002 refugees. Have repatriated voluntarily at some time in syria a man who was always mentioned with terrorist attacks but now it is reaching tranquility and peace. Hopefully to this will apply to the north in syria. So what do you make of techies argument that the needs of the n r e a n syria where syrians can feel safe and that africans can have a comeback to where people can live safely when you make advance well let me tell you whats turkish am interesting this socalled safe zone and northeastern syria or russia what turkey wants to create is to create a bread buffer zone between the kurds in the south east of turkey and the kurds in russia and also to give bigley clans these areas from it is original inhabitants which includes predominantly kurds in her defense among other ethnic and religious minorities and displacing these original populations and resettling them with ira Syrian Refugees out of the 3500000 refugees that use of is referring to my question for you said will be how many out of these 3500000 refugees in turkey is a commodity or kurds why did turkey never had to accommodate the Syrian Refugees among the kurdish leader if you choose among the 3500000 or so called number that hes referring to in fact really not as a commentary do you want to see what his response that question is in that question youre not surprised i would like to complete i would like to complete and then maybe you can refer back to the question that i posed i would like to continue by saying that turkey not actually not accommodate the Syrian Refugees of the kurdish the refugees they have also not created the same zone or they are all in for a share of kurdish inhabitants in the southeast of turkey i think there are many patients incidentally to do it its actually want him to answer that question to do what is the chance that question is of value was according to our russian and i. Learned occasion 3308035000 extension 0 syrian kurds who fled but never returned due to the ratification as the north east around i think is. So im going to teach our actions in goes on is very clear as we have seen from a National Report we have seen civilians fleeing in mass already and this giving an opening to ours is a resurgence which is basically to appease double gamble all along in the car seat 7 years in the war in iraq and saying that youre. In for a moment may jump in there that doesnt get it yet you drink and thats allowed then i have to tap into the compass i should be right then just go ahead you just mentioned the. Impact that this refugee crisis during the syrian war has had on turkey i just want to mention that there is a turkish incursion has magnified and created a nother wave of a humanitarian emergency in iraq lets bear in mind that iraq is already hosting more than a 1000000 internally displaced people of its own in addition to refugees and prior to this incursion beginning the government was saying that the International Aid it relies on to assist these people had been cut in half so its affecting its ability to provide basic services such as Water Education health care except for us and when this thing frisian began there was not even i was there last wednesday there was not even a camp to begin accommodating the Syrian Refugees who were coming in they took a camp that had been shuttered for the last year it had been hosting people who fled the multiple offenses and it had emptied out they took back and we were there last wednesday that when they were hastily you were acting tense and so i guess what im trying to say is that there is an emergency. Occurring right now in iraq as a result of t