Reject a call for a cease fire going against a plea from turkey and russia. Iran is denying accusations that a missile strike was the cause of the ukrainian jet crash near tehran on weapons day its calling the allegations against them quote psychological warfare video posted by the New York Times appears to show the moment a missile hit the plane near tehrans airport the video shows a small explosion when the aircraft was so apparently struck but the jet did not immediately explode the plane continued flying for several minutes and turned back towards the airport whilst it was still on fire alan fischer as more. This was taken seconds before a ukrainian passenger jet crashed near tehran security cameras captured the dramatic moment of impact on the ground 176 people died including 63 canadians that countrys Prime Minister says it was down by in a rainy and missile we have intelligence from multiple sources including our allies and our own intelligence. The evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by entering in a surface to air missile the plane came down just 4 hours after iran had fired a volley of missiles towards the u. S. Bases in iraq the country was on high alert for possible u. S. Or television asked if he blamed america for escalating tensions in the area Prime Minister trudeau said a full investigation was needed before fingers were pointed i think it is too soon to be drawing conclusions or assigning blame or responsibility and whatever proportions iranian officials insist the aircraft the Ukrainian International boeing 737800 had a problem and was headed back to the airport they say there were other planes in the area deborah from the plane was scattered over a wide area the socalled black boxes a cockpit voice recorder and a flight data recorder have been recovered they even say they wont be handing them over to boeing but will conduct an investigation and keep ukraine informed its been reported that deborah has been bulldozed into a pile at the scene making a forensic analysis almost impossible but one expert told us the dead might be the best witnesses there could be evidence with literally within the bodies of the victims that could point to whether or not for example an explosion took place inside or outside of the air. Earlier in the day u. S. President donald trump said he feared the worst it was flying at a pretty rough neighborhood and somebody could have made a mistake some people say was mechanical i personally dont think thats. Even a question the communion presently flowers at the. Shift memorial at the airport where the plane was due to land he called for canadian experts to join the investigation its understood many of the victims had jule nationalities families are no painfully waiting to find out when the bodies will be returned and they can see their final goodbye and alan joins us live now from washington so alan boeing has been invited into the process but we dont know if theyre going to get access to the black box flight recorders and theres also an additional difficulty in that the iranians are saying there was some damage to the recorders the 2 recorders one is a cockpit voice recorder so you will hear whether or not the pilot said anything at all about being struck or the problems that they had and certainly the tower at Toronto International airport says that there was no contact with the pilots atoll and then there is the data recorder it will give the details of the flight i mean well point to the idea of whether or not there was some external problem or whether there was an internal problem but as our expert said they maybe dont need those boxes if the investigators can get to the bodies can get on to the ground they might be able to build a picture the bodies might tell more than the flight recorders possibly could and we know that the canadians dont have any representation in tehran they are working through the italians their country they have a number of investigators in turkey waiting for approval and once that comes from the government in tehran they will send those people in but if the reports that were hearing from tehran are that this site is being bulldozed that will make their task difficult not impossible but more difficult but one thing is for sure clearly here alan this is going to be a long long process that will involve multiple agencies and multiple representatives from different countries. And it was interesting that the canadian Prime Minister said look this might have been a mistake the timing is very important this was just 4 hours after iran had fired a volley of rockets towards the u. S. Bases in iraq a number of International Airlines had decided they were going to fly through a radius piece they decided to avoid that area speaking to one expert earlier today that if this was the Russian Missile system that we think was in place there is every possibility that it was an automatic so if it perceived a threat it would fire it could be something as simple as someone not switching that Missile System off of automatic but that is something that will come out in the war and certainly is something that the canadians and the ukrainians want to check out the want to be able to look at all the evidence before they draw any final conclusions but certainly what Justin Trudeau is seeing is that from the intelligence thats been gathered from the only evidence that they have gathered then they believe this may well have been a plane that was done by in a really a missile thanks very much daniel lakas our correspondent in toronto daniel youve been talking to the families. Peter the devastated Iranian Canadian Community today and yesterday when the news 1st came in of this plane being shot down or having an accident or whatever i have to say this will only add to their grief to their worry now a lot of the people that we did speak to or reach out to they were very reluctant to speak its a sad time for them an unbelievable devastating time but we were also asked by some not to raise this question on camera about what if it was a deliberate act or an accidental act from outside the plane a missile we did hear from Community Leaders who said this will add to the grief it will add to the wall and frankly this is not a community the Iranian Canadian Community the. It is in any way in support of the Iranian Regime most of them started coming here around the time of the revolution in 1979 and theyve flown in or flowed in over the years 210000 of them their politics when they do take part in it tends to be focused around getting access to their families in iran and being able to transfer gifts and things like that back and forth and thats been difficult for them with the lack of diplomatic relations and the sanctions against iran so this is just i dont know its an unimaginable situation for these people right now and this latest news is not going to make it any better is that is it doubly difficult here because the repatriation of the bodies might be a longer process than everyone would like because what was 820122030 mr harper cut diplomatic ties with tehran. You know absolutely that is a huge concern in fact people are saying that the funerals might have to be held in iran itself with family if they have family there who can conduct them muslim people do tend to want the funerals to happen as quickly as possible and any idea that the bodies have to be examined to determine whether or not this was a missile or some sort of external event i think that will add to the horror as well that its not the sort of thing anyone would want to think about at a time of bereavement and this is a time of mass bereavement across the Iranian Canadian Community daniel thanks very much tanya lack reporting live in toronto well irans state t. V. Is reporting that tehran is searching bowing to send its representatives to join the process as weve been hearing here on the news investigation the black box flight recorders richard marquees is a retired f. B. I. Agent and was the chief of the law could be tosk force he joins us on skype from san Diego Richard marquees good to have you here on the program so as far as we know so far there were 2 blips on a radar screen than a 3rd blip the aircraft turned round to try to get back to the airport but didnt make it what do you think happened. Well they did best the haitian hopefully will tell and i well im glad but i heard that boeing was invited to come and examine the black boxes because that certainly is a key to find out if this was a normal flight that was going in one direction or from fact there may have been about function that caused the bias to come back but thats something that i think that the black boxes will be able to tell at some point soon is it conceivable that the iranian authorities could invite boeing in as theyve done and then once the boeing people arrive in tehran the iranian Authorities Say actually you cant have or get access to the flight recorders i think theres going to be a lot of International Pressure brought to bear because of the number of people from all over particularly i mean the people of iran would like to know they lost the most number of people canada lost over 60 people on that flight there are a number of governments that have a vested interest and i think everybody would like to know whether this was an aircraft falling out of the sky or if it was an unfortunate manmade event which in either case its a terrible tragedy clearly the investigates is and all the the countries of origin of the people who were on board the flight they want to hear what was going on up front when the pilot works something appalling was happening but do they need to get information beyond that from the flight recorders because once the bodies are repatriated there will be some sort of d. N. A. Swapping process and theyll be able to tell if there is residue of some sort of catastrophic explosive event that took place on pull the aircraft. Its possible unfortunately that is a long drawn out process to find bodies of body parts ive been involved in other aircraft accidents and disasters and getting into bodies and doing this while being sent looking for residue im hopeful that if this was indeed a tragic accident that the government of iran will come forward and say we made a terrible mistake at least that would be some i would say solace thats terrible word but it will be a lot of something for the families to least understand what happened and have to question it until someone comes back with a positive or negative swapping which may or may not be that final answer other questions as well to be honest over the airline back at base in ukraine in this much is ultimately part of the Decision Making process to say yes it is safe to fly goes down to the kariya. Well clearly and every airport in the world thousands of airports all over the world their aircraft take off every single that many countries have star 1st air missiles many countries have. You know issues and i would like to think that if the iranian air Traffic Controllers cleared that plane to leave the others the other day that they were not aware of any hostilities or surface to air missiles being fired i dont know i know this was around the same time that missiles were being fired into iraq and i think the investigation is going to have to show if in fact it was at all related to that or if this was just some other terrible tragedy that occurred but it it makes us all worry because we all fly d many people around every day and get on airplanes and you dont want to think that missiles going to bring your flight down enough of the things to worry about being on a plane whats going on with the technology here because at some point we assume somebody pressed a button that had the wood fire printed on it or you fire a missile at an aircraft the technology i was so good i can pull up flight radar 24 on my phone and it can tag and identify croft anyplace in the world and yet it would seem that the system that was on the ground in tehran couldnt do that. Well im not an expert in the technology of baby age it obviously has changed in the 30 plus years since the pan am 103. 00 disaster technology its got a lot better and everybody remembers the iran air bus flight 655 in july of 1988 when a u. S. Military ship shot accidentally shot down in the right air bus a commercial flight because it didnt properly read what type of light it was but as you said technology has changed so much i dont believe this was an accident. But i dont i cant believe that someone would it tensional shoot down a commercial airliner. To kill innocent people i find it very difficult to believe you know no matter how good or bad any particular government may be much of marquees in san diego thank you very much thank you sir. Most still to come here in the news including returning to the streets french workers continue their protest against Pension Reforms the transport strike entering its 36th day. And an envoy to the u. N. Warns the sahil region is experiencing a devastating surge in violence and the smallest news with far we might not see protests like this any more of the 2020 olympics in tokyo love the details for you in about 35 minutes. The u. S. House of representatives has just passed a war powers resolution it limits President Trumps ability to take military action against iran as the fallout from the assassination of the iranian general concepts the money continues the measures are known binding before the votes the House Speaker nancy pelosi said the killing of somali was provocative and disproportionate. What happened. In the view of many of us is not at promoting peace but in escalation not that we have any confidence and the goodness. Of the good intentions of of iran. And we certainly do not respect an actor my intelligence background know just how bad film money was. Not because we expect good things from them but we expect great things from us. Ok lets bring in Bill Schneider hes a Public Policy fessor at George Mason University in washington Bill Schneider welcome back to aljazeera yesterday this time we were reporting on how your President Donald Trump was clearly signaling a deescalation in this crisis with iran so. In congress whats the issue while pelosi and the democrats in congress are just furious over the whole iran episode they think that the president acted in a risky full hearty manner that he didnt heed of course did not consult congress these days president s rarely do before taking military action and they want to make sure that the president at least is symbolically required to inform congress before anything like this ever happens again in the near future especially with regard to iran who palosi has put together correct me if im wrong he is utterly unique in the annals of u. S. Political history so does it mean that in the future if mr trump wants to do something similar or who have a follows mr trump wants to do something similar theyve got to Tell Congress we are doing it or have they got to go to congress and explain the strategy as well. Well thats what Congress Wants but you know what this aint going to happen it be itll pay it has passed the house which is a democratic majority but its wont pass the senate which as a republican majority and President Trump no president fact will sign this bill so it will not go into effect its more less a statement that congress is unhappy with the risky way in which President Trump took action against iran without informing Congress Without consulting experts really on his own authority if for example that had been a dozen americans all not ukrainian plame what do you think mr trump would be doing now he be very angry as were most Many Americans and they demand a complete explanation and probably in apology for moran there were no i dont believe there were any americans i havent heard any reports are americans on that fright but that would have raise the possibility that it was an intentional action by iran and the president where have demanded a complete investigation by the United States with the cooperation of iranian authorities if that were possible so on the one hand youre selling us that weve now got this newly reinvigorates it idea of a war powers act but on the other hand its pretty much worthless because any us president can do what they wont thats right thats been true for the last 80 Years Congress has given the power to declare war in the constitution but the last Time Congress declared war was after pearl harbor the end of 1941 were going to war many times vietnam military action was really a war the invasion of iraq under the president the 2nd president bush and congress has never really gotten involved in those they did vote to authorize the use of force against terrorists after 911 which is the legal justification used by president s since 2001 to take military action but that thats a very feeble role for congress to play it has no Real Authority over war and peace the way the constitution stated when it was written there was a new. Poll out today Bill Schneider 55 percent of americans now feel less safe than they did a week ago so what was the point of the last 6 days in the middle east. The idea was that americans should feel more safe but with trump in office he comes out as taking great risks of doing things impetuously which worries the American People a lot you know he but he had lost a lot of Political Support over the past year in any case and for the president t