In fact 27 members minus the United Kingdom but youve got real problems youve got people like president macron of france as a very powerful reformer pushing for more integration youve got a kind of steady as she goes germany at the moment struggling with the leadership flux youve got rule of law issues nationalism populism in places like hungary and poland how do you reconcile thats life thats life it is their way these and we are not going to change these things other night but it does make it difficult for. The Commission President s view of a new Geopolitical Commission a geopolitical e. U. Based on shared sovereignty how do you create this sense of shared sovereignty working together and build in defeat. That we are facing are indivisible the death threat of terrorism we leave. The migrants illegal my. Good flow in libya is not just a threat with a meter ready in countries as much as the threat of the. Russia and can represent a threat to the some member stage and they used to both of us in not only for them we have to share common threats and this requires a culture it is not going to be of an overnight you know is a matter of overcoming our past histories in order to be a common understanding of the world if you dont share a common understanding of the wool you cannot share a common for a policy but ultimately a lot of the sense of change the need for reform has come about as a result most recently breaks it which has been as a colossal blow for the European Union losing a member like britain and bad separate it we regret. We are not going to be completed to save the United Kingdom but dutys had to go to meet is to decide about their future 1st to hold a referendum and secondly to hold elections and in both cases especially on the 2nd one to be backed it is one so that is no way out it is the way it is we regret but we will try to do our best without the british and to try to build a better relationship with them but for sure they would not be the same neither of them nor for us to what extent does brics it undermine the European Unions ultimate standing in the world and b union i hadnt seen the british leaving my name the union debate is never the have always been very clear since the speech of mr george had enjoyed it on the aftermath of the 2nd world war saying you are being billed united this stage of you but we will not be with you we will be looking to the landing to previous have never hidden his his will they have never been in favor of. Integration have never been in favor of a Political Union so. Not dad not dalai wants all the Member States they say mad to do on that point of other nations that are also taking along british lines its a border where you yes but. The breakup as difficult as possible for britain isnt in order to dissuade will discover they had it is no need to do aiding anyone because erected has not been the nebulae me it has been a vaccine. Instead of why spreading brought people together has been a vaccine because people should all look look at how difficult it is look at the consequences so anyway the need for change is clear and undisputed record has highlighted that but as much as anything else. The United States and china 2 great powers squaring off against one another as i said fast changing geopolitical environment you groet. This to survive in the world of giants we are peons must adjust our mental maps to deal with the world as it is not as we hoped it would be to avoid being the losers in todays us china competition we must really learn the language of power what did you mean by this is a sentence the has become famous and. When you say power one people immediately think of military power. Power means that you are sending bangs now there are many different kind of power when the americans use their law in order to. Everybody being abiding by dale or. Company has to abide by the america law even if this law has been voted by the American Parliament and in principle this turns national. Limitation will do all this completely unjustified but they have the power believe that if you do what they dont like you to do you will be punished well we are not able doing so well you say you are not able to and yet in this vision or you are not we are not willing well in this vision of a new geo political future for the e. U. This talk isnt there of only doing deals with countries if they sign up to the paris climate accords for instance theres a big push now on digital taxes on u. S. Tech giants the various suggestions that u. S. European businesses might withdraw their support for u. S. And Chinese Markets if they dont open themselves up to e. U. Competition the problem is as soon as you do these kinds of things People Like Us slap tariffs on your products as theyve done with steel as theyve just done on air bus so a formula and once to push a more muscular vision of the. But the hard power isnt there to back it up well bore the difference between hard power and soft power and nowadays its a little bit fuzzy create is that the harp our softball or well at the moment thats the reason that our judiciary has relied on soft power its beginning to look a bit dated but todays 1st. Diskette you were race has been very much mix and confuse no which is soft which is hard to interfere in the democratic process of what one country you didnt use in syria capacities is that soft or heart. Defect is that their parents whos interfering in what theyre doing is that robot that interferes with your democratic process or do you go to use arms and your use of digital technologies. Can be very very very damaging you know with the fans not only about the risk of being invaded by an army but the risk of being into reading the new institutions building and working by the new methods that the knowledge of brings to us Cyber Attacks all the older means and do that with a many people can use and they have been using cyber is one of the most worry is that we should face. A neighbor its hybrids something that people are not to stay not not yet very much aware of what does it mean and at the same time we have heart challenges the old style challenges like for example in seattle you know how many soldiers are sahani enormous last year 1000 for 500. The terrorist terrorists the band its the people fighting and moon kill 1500. 00 millions and these unions people for this is an area of strategic interest of course because with all of that fighting come waves of refugees heading for europe is the wholesale hail becomes nonstate land without you know with already then the risk is very very big because does have a political problem for the cycle we dont have a plan would have caught conference for this held next month you know that we tried to have an extract we are there different mainly but all a member of station hoping European Union as a whole with have several missions military and civilian reasons the United Nations have 15000 souldiers the multi but theyre similar theyre not very effective so you know libya has been a kind of tumor who have been mistrust izing who the hell countries and europe cannot afford to lose control of these area where their population is growing at the incredible big age where women have having 7 or 8 childrens but head to my bridge toward the growth of the population the effect of Climate Change the non thought it is did that sense of had an organized see below Political Society in such a big extension with a growing population here is a danger for you talking about difference talking about hard power one of the greats fractures at the moment is in the transatlantic relationship some people deny its there other people say its glaringly obvious donald trump insisting that europeans do more for their own defense president mccrone a great supporter of that. Talking to us from. The former nato secretary general he suggests this is fanciful a paper tiger europe simply cant afford to secure itself without us hope is there a future for a European Defense system a European Army a europe standing on its own 2 feet without us help. Right thats not a matter over ideological position is a matter of how the methink isnt made of numbers i am in uni of a training it when they have to these custom thing i go i look to the numbers its completely out of question that it would be a stage could ensure they had to rhetorical defense out of the nato and insert and secondly. Is not a Defense Union was not created as the need to have to issue a the military still regarded to a full member state well thats because later it was always something that was taken for granted not so much in the age of donald trump well thats true but theres a same time what we have to do is spend more on defense and that interrupts right but we have to think about where we spend more hope for what we have to be discussable district as you go objective more expenditure in defense and you have to spend better you know that is such a big diversity between debian armies so many overlaps how so many vacuums where we dont have capacities and in other in another place we have too much capacities that there be kaffirs has to be done in order to build military capacities among to be a Member States army not to create the debian army but to coordinate the efforts of all of us in order to have among all of us to get better it is that that required would be much much much less expensive ok lets look at e. U. Foreign policy proper your day job as it were when you know. Engaged in reforming the European Union the Iran Nuclear Deal 2015 the e. U. Took a good chunk of the credit for sealing that deal with iran its now forming a part of course donald trump exited it. And theres enormous pressure isnt there from the United States on european signatories to toe the line and do likewise is the e. U. Close finally to caving in and accepting that the iran deal is over not. You know i am the coordinator of the board that follows the implementation of these nuclear the dish board they are a chain they wear the state there are 3 countries well now in the member stage of the to be a union another european country has to but it has left it to be a new it was their student. And i have the role of course they need to run as far as they know. Just striving to keep his deal of life. But. We should be able to in 2 to argue daniel to fulfill their commitments on the nuclear side and we should be fulfilling our commitments on the economic side but we are not doing that by the time being because our firms are afraid of america under delineations sanctions we are trying to be real Financial Instruments in order to be a road to economic transactions especially on the humanitarian side we sowed on though their very concessions one thing in which we are in a different position with our american friends on the most important issue we will be all the time in the same side of the table but here we disagree we dont agree with america with a rule on these nuclear deal it took 12 years of very difficult discussion and through reached this deal at night thing is going to be possible to build another one. Thanks to this deal iran is not a Nuclear Power today without this deal who knows whats going to happen in the future like so many things the american might is insurmountable you may well disagree but in the end theres nothing you can do about it and theres no way you can win the argument we tried to do something were creating these in sticking straw men in order to avoid american sanctions frankly speaking and it is what these are allowed not americans of course why did you get incentive for iraqs military with the time being we havent been able to make it work and i had a really good neither did any ns you know i try to be someone objective and measured into positions of the job according with reality according with the facts 40 months after the american withdrawal daniels has been fulfilling their commitments and european leaders have been promising them that they should continue fulfilling their nuclear commitment because we will look on our way of having economic expansion which they did recently they said that you know if we are going to go out slowly slowly of these Nuclear Commitments and we try to convince them to go back to the commitment of the nuclear side that we can provide. Some rewards on the economic side did they gave you dont over again is not over lets see whats happening in the following month well if nothing else its a sign what has happened with iran very different kind of global Foreign Policy is on the way and has been for the last 4 years a very much more muscular bruising confrontational Foreign Policy which as we said earlier the European Unions old approach of soft power. Doesnt really work doesnt apply. To this and we have not dismiss the power to give you the capacity of we do to being on the rest back to of human rights to sign trade to agreements to to set up norms we know how to these middens very important normative capacity that we have. It is a way of conditioning many economic and Technological Development and we are the champions of trade we introduce one to trade to womens to think that really worries us about Climate Change then we have a strong. Thrown capacity of influencing. But its true dear wall that we are facing it is not the world that was behind us no whereas the south east and north north south west east that really the degrease that have to be used you know that were normalized a wall of to morrow well i dont think so i think that these belong to another period of history and now we are. Driving through bilateral can be a dual ball of power between china and United States this is the history its where we are hitting. The important thing is to found a place on disc competition not to be a scratch on the middle of this jar years competition well let me ask you now about russia another issue that divides Member States president mccraw of frogs thinks. That russia is a viable Security Partner for the e. U. Do you well with russia year we had a principle to follow but to guide our relationship we have to continue saying that we support ukrainian integrity and the best way of containing the russian influence on the eastern part of europe is to support ukraine economic and Democratic Development the sanctions are there they will not be lifted on those that his son change into russian attitude but on the other hand we have to engage selectively with russia you have because we share Common Concerns on many issues. Can we talk about the arctic policy without engaging with russia. Not can we can we discuss them and usually autonomy or security without talking with oh a big provider of guess there are so many issues in which we have to talk with russia to engage and to reach a womens that we have to have a 2 sided policy libya. A brand new u. N. Security council is in place calling for a ceasefire you said back in january when the previous ceasefire was as fragile as it was that a cease fire only exists when its monitored and managed and the cease fire has to be monitor it if it does not monitored at the. Last 2 days but by the time being were still not there if this cease fire the gun. Then if someone have to monitor it the United Nations should do it and we should be able to cooperate with them how they will depend on what more is the e. U. Prepared to do i mean this is a humanitarian disaster in the making for your all of the refugees all of the people in awful conditions on them but abuses today to flow with the flow has been decreasing pretty much we had reminded the pick of the 20152016 who everybody has in mind is 2 years big float people 160000 people getting across a miniature area with a we are in figures much much more the problem has changed they mention completely israel palestine is there any part of the new trump. The you support this plan doesnt fool feel the International Nice parameters on different images and which should have been unit has been working to change our parameters which change your mind or we cannot say that this plan is a good plan from our this. What did the same time discipline has the capacity to break in this stalemate on put into conversation between the israelis and palestinians again they will. Not youre not saying the spread is not good you have to propose Something Else and now we have to look at the we are able to propose Something Better oh how can we use the opportunity to display an office to break this for 5 years without. Nothing Climate Change. Another big issue perhaps the preeminent issue facing the future of the planet not least the e. U. The European Union has shown its commitment with a green deal over the next 5 years you took some fire recently with comments you made about young climate activists suggesting that people like gratitude book dont really have the stomach for a fight but they dont understand and arent willing to pay for the changes that they demand you called regret a syndrome do you regret that look. Police say what they said not what do you interpret theyve said well you said its fine to demonstrate against Climate Change so long as nobody asks you to pay for it. I wonder if everybodys where of the fact that we have to fight Climate Change why does not a free lunch. Not to fight against Climate Change. Existential threat to fight against Climate Change is not for free it would require investment it would require big restructuring of the way of living and it would have a cost and it would be a lusus and the winners have to be ready to compensate the rootless that were putting on the table just in 6 for a Climate Change and what they wanted to say is that. Hard to explain people all sides of the kind. We dont have to make people believe that to fight against Climate Change is just a matter of i want it yes but you know that will do that is going to be we are going to face big the information is very good that the young people movie lines this is very good the young people are very much aware that the old people of the high cost of not fighting against Climate Change but one thing is that the. The Climate Change the present is a big threat and a high cost and another thing is not to be aware that fighting is Climate Change also represents a cost and this has to be bait finally comes along you are a proud cattle and of course yourself the issue of catalonia goes to the heart of concerns across the e. U. About nationalism about software to the rights of minorities as Spanish Foreign minister you were no supporter of separatism of course i understand that as e. U. Foreign minister i wonder this problem is not going away do you in any way support a legitimate say for the people of catalonia in their future even if it means changing the constitution to allow a referendum to take place we can change youre going to do shouldnt but i dont think. Any spain to change you can just how do you deal with this problem how do you make it go away how do you reconcile catalonia and madrid and the alone you. Get when you say its a little very close to 50 percent of the other 50 percent it seems like youre going to get into consideration you know what i mean there is division in catalonia and division in spain but all of it has to be reckoned by you see your trap to talk about catalonia referring only to the 45 percent wonder you used at the lorgnette to refer to the 45 percent what theyve refused is these a simulation between catalonia and less than half the kettledrums i understand just a pro thank you very much for talking to us thank you. Chilling to be listening post as we turn the cameras on the media india has more than 424 Hour Television news chops morning talkers and focus on how they report on the stories that matter the most the states misleads the public the c. B. D. Reflects the. Climate change their editorial shows they dart believe they have anything to apologize for their listening post on aljazeera americans live side by side in 2 parallel universes the truck parts of america are getting in trouble here there is a poll out a few weeks ago that you had almost 30 percent americans believing they were on the cusp of civil war both sides accuse each other of doing things that are so blatantly wrong the bottom line on us politics and policies and their effect on the world. Across the United States indigenous families are searching for their loved ones for relatives of people who go missing finding closure is often impossible people are meeting here to raise money for the search efforts of the young woman advocates and family members have started to raise awareness about the high rates of violence that disproportionately impact indigenous communities most Tribal Police departments are understaffed and under resourced another factor is that tribes dont have jurisdiction over non native americans for all crimes there but a lot of concerns that the federal agencies dont respond that they dont take these crimes seriously a lack of evidence is the main reason federal officials are declining to prosecute crimes on reservations that should be the end of the discussion. There should be then a ok lets see what went wrong in this case why the is no evidence or why the evidence isnt good enough and make sure that doesnt happen again. 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There is really iran and south korea are imposing restrictions on tens of thousands of people as they try to contain the coronavirus south koreas president raised the disease alert level to the highest in an effort to get urgent help to the overstretched Health Systems in the south of the country another increase in cases has now brought the National Total to 602. 00 with 5 People Killed you know you want to do we have vividly witnessed how dangerous it is to have mass meetings in an enclosed indoor space in terms of the spread of a contagious disease i urge everyone to restrain themselves from group of vents are active it is not only in indoor places but also outdoor places which can harm other
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