Can donald trump survive these historic setbacks and does joe biden have what it takes to beat. The special coverage of al jazeera. Anthony ok and your industry in america is making headlines by the way it is handling the Global Pandemic what does it mean for brown and black people today we compare stories and stats and stories about Racism Health care and the coronavirus you can jump in that conversation you can weigh in on each eve fest i want you to meet the guests Nicole Hanna Jensen welcome to the stream introduce yourself to our international audience. And the fabric of New York Times magazine covering racial inequality an hour and the creator of the 61000. 00 private sector to happy and all to. Tell us who you are i am dr sarah barber im a social epidemiologist and faculty member of the university of the dorrance our School Public health but at hartman of epidemiology and biostatistics my Research Studies the links between Structural Racism and Health Inequalities in the United States and brazil. So good to have you im going to start the stats im actually going to start with a story about gary fowler now his father died a culvert 19 and so did gary but not until hed gone to 3 separate hospitals saying ive got 19 symptoms they are tending the way he died in his chair at home now we know this story because his son spoke out about it. People are being pushed around their families. Mind. Easy Getting Better every day. Nicole this is a story that sums up what we are talking about today and the tension to tell us why. Yes because we know that in the United States black americans are not only contracting the virus at disproportionate rate by are dying a disproportionate rate and in many places merrick lee black people are counting for the majority are called the 19 deaths even though black people are only 13 percent of the population so when we see a story like that which came out of detroit we understand that its not just that blacks are getting the disease and suffering from the disease but that black people are not being treated equally when they are coming to hospitals and there is a long history of this we have seen it for centuries our black people did this pretty treatment throughout the Health Care System and that is that the point of getting a deadly virus. Is a story that you can tell so about a woman who went into emergency at. The hospital and she was turned away as well tells another story yes so i was actually on an interview for a canadian Radio Station and the story was that because a cousin was actually telling the story of her cousin down in atlanta who literally went. To the e. R. 3 times saying she had shortness of breath saying that she felt she had the symptoms and being turned away and again just as nicolas said this is not new weve seen these kinds of mistreatment these biases this discrimination that happens within the Health Care System time and time again if you just look at for example Maternal Mortality those rates in africanamerican women that are much higher death rates that are much higher for africanamerican women and people cite discrimination people cite not being listened to as reasons that they are not treated the same within the Health Care System so you know i could go on and on about the stories that ive seen you know in the news or in their personal stories about just literally people being turned away from treatment and its just not ok. And family i think its important to point out that this is a lot of people with a its just poverty and its because black people are more likely to be poor and more people get lesser treatment but this these are the facts we see them no matter the income or educational level of black americans and i know what you do know that you out this them black people are not believed when they prove that when they present with some tell they are often not given the extra treatment that white americans get and it doesnt matter if they are talking about a low income black person or welfare black perfect. I didnt want to start was a number because i wanted to start with people so people could hear the pain of the stories about being turned away not getting the treatment but lets tackle some numbers here and looking at louisiana for instance they have a population thats 30 percent africanamerican 1956 percent in michigan 30 percent africanamericans 41 percent because its 19 deaths you dont need to be statistician not appreciate that and you say that this is nothing new that we have seen this before that is he still has that and that really speaks to. Ashley Ashley Shelton shes the founder and executive director at the equity and justice and shes been dealing with these figures for so long and she says its not a surprise here in louisiana we know that africanamericans are on 7 to one and i think that we have to ask our leaders to really look at the data and analysis that is existed for years that looks at you know the structural and systemic racism that belies so many of the policies in our country that have trapped africanamericans in a cycle of poverty and criminalization that has not allowed to Access Health care living wage jobs on paid sick leave all of the things that were seeing really important during this time not. Sure hell when we look at those numbers the ones that we have so. What are they telling you about where we are in America Today yes i know thats a really good point so what ill say is that you know back in march before the numbers even began to emerge me and some of my colleagues wrote a piece called racism in a time of covert 19 because we knew based on history based on the fact that blacks are already dying at higher rates from every major cause of death in this country that pick the kohen 1000. 00 pandemic would be no different and so what it says to us is that we have not dealt with the americas original sin which is slavery which. So eloquently lays out in the 161000 project weve not dealt with that and then that then has permeated all the systems all the structures that exist and that shortens the lives of black folks in this country so that even Just Health Care we have to think about things like racial residential segregation the legacy of red lining which is kind of the disinvestment that has happened in these communities for decades we have to talk about the. Lower wage. Limit so education was always job and so many of our low wage essential were. Are disproportionately black and latino right so we have to have to talk about those issues and they dont have the protections right there being sit into their jobs without the proper proper personal protective equipment to keep them from being exposed and then not only impacts them as individuals it impacts their families and the communities they have to return to so this is a long. Structural issue there interlocking systems of injustice and racism that were seeing play out so starkly when were seeing these higher death rates in our in black communities if i could just add i think we need to always be careful when we say things i am not surprised by this because no it is not sacking but when we say that then we just accept that theyve been carried but not just this is it is shocking. If it should be you look at Norfolk Virginia every Single Person whos died from coal that has been black in st louis every Single Person was die from coal that has been black that should shock all of us because of course what we were told was always virus is a great equalizer doesnt matter your raise your social class it affects us all the same well that is demonstrably not true who are the people most likely to work in public facing Service Sector jobs or the people who have to take Public Transit who are the people who could not. Be sheltering in place you know they theyre not sheltering in place ive been sheltering in place for 6 weeks now because i work that type of job these are are disproportionately black and brown and particularly black and brown women and that matter but its also the force segregation in these communities which means that black and brown particularly black people are living in very densely segregated neighborhoods so when someone does get this they bring this back to a segregated community and it read a lot faster but then when you have the least Level One Trauma Centers in black communities we have Health Care Debt thats in black communities so youre more likely to get sick and then less likely to have access to care. Im going to because hes chief scientist strength i want everyone to see and that is a strength that nicole had a jones wrote in response to everybody saying because hes 19 its the great equalizer it can get any of us and pushes you just explaining really get some. People so it is not the great equalizer and you choose. A they found another way to get rid of us ok. Black people. She says gaily how do we know the numbers are being recorded accurately that is a very or the numbers for 1000 anywhere in the world who knows if theyre accurate. I dont take that one yes one thing as we know that theres under testing because we know that were only right now doing diagnostic testing were not doing widespread surveillance so the overall numbers are being under counted as well as numbers in terms of that are broken down by race so we also know there are states that are local communities are collecting data on race so we have to definitely and thats why so many folks are pushing for this data based on race we make sure that we are able to make the invisible visible if you will. Know where you know we have these issues but in addition to race we also need to be thinking about smaller levels of geography but because i think for example zip code communities because this is also what tell us about the structural ways in which covert 19 is disproportionate impact in certain communities. Let me put this one to you this is turkey neck on you tube why are blacks always feeling sorry for themselves there was a report that hispanics are equally as affect it. Well one im not even going to deal with the 1st part of bad question because i think its ridiculous but to latino those are not were not actually seeing data that is matching black america and so in most places that we have seen racial data coming out black people are over represented in a way that latinos are now in new york city latino males had about the same rates as black americans but what people need to understand is in new york city many latinos are also black in a way that you dont necessarily see that in other parts of the country this isnt about black people feeling sorry for themselves we have data and the data is very clear who is dying disproportionately who is getting infected this proportionately and to say we need to actually figure out why that is and know this so that we can send the resources to the proper community we know whos getting tested and its not the communities that are being hurt the most by this thats not dealing sorry thats just the facts and the reality on the ground and the whole premise of the question is actually a little ridiculous. In terms of testing so for example 2 communities that ive heard of in recent weeks one in st louis in a predominately black community where the federally qualified Health Center literally received only test 5 test for the whole community and this was from a pastor who pastors near ferguson. In missouri and then in the mississippi dont they were also have colleagues another federal mississippi delta poor black folks in the north of jackson again federally qualified Health Center only receive 5 test and they didnt even have a place to send them for proper processing so when were talking about these testing discrepancies theyre rio and theyve left out so many of our communities. Well the question i write it is when when when we were talking about italy or spain and the high number of the death there no one was asking well why are italians feeling sorry for themselves or why are spanish people just feeling sorry for themselves this racialized. Who is the serving of our sympathy and who is not speaks to why black people are suffering at the highest rates right now because before we got raised data people were blameless victims who were worthy of arthur empathy and now we want to know why a black people complaining that theyre dying thats thats where we are. Let me share this with you this is am a. I am a thank you everybody a new chief of weighing in here and says it is just a matter of racism i want to take you to the peon tweet on. Twitter feed and she will just cool out this demick as its just racism. Quickly than ive just done but racism and then i have to shave his head and im with you so much in general singles out people of color to stop alcohol drugs in kozik 19 fight so it was a sort of pep talk and a sort of lecture. Peoples clothes being impacted by kosik 19. Nicole you can. You comment 2nd. Again its speaks to the way that in this country our sympathies change when we believe that black people are the faith of the virus you did not see the Surgeon General lecturing americans about personal behavior that had nothing to do with the virus whether or not you do drugs or drink has nothing to do with the virus and by the way they were show that black people actually use drugs at a lower rate than white americans but as soon as the data comes out that black people are suffering at the highest rates then it becomes a lecture about personal responsibility were no longer all in this together its up to these communities to stop doing. Things that are harmful that is the racial legacy that we live with and that is why you now see these protests to open up the country right now that we know that its black people mostly dying the question is why should white americans be thufir a economically for black death we need to be very very nervous about the way the conversation has changed now that we know who the people are who are dying. Yes yes so yes just the Surgeon Generals just fell into this trap of blaming the victim if you will and you know its really unfortunate because we know again the structural issues the system the system aggressors and that has impacted black communities for for centuries in this country so to shift the blame is not only you know its a not only about narrative but it also doesnt means that we can wash our hands of responsibility of sending the proper resources to black communities of the making sure that those who are most vulnerable to this pandemic get what they need in order not to die so it actually also shift the blame and so the federal government doesnt have to respond state governments dont have to local governments dont have to respond and they leave black communities fending for themselves in the middle of a pandemic and thats really telling of how much we see certain communities as disposable in this country. Yeah i like that you talked about fending for themselves he picks up miss vital survival is saying you cheated when she says welcome back people do to become less dependent on the systems that leave us out like food and Education Health health care i mean nicole this is this is you know this is your journalism. Yeah i think thats not the proper question and i mean yes certainly there are things that black people can try to do i eat healthier but these are structural issue then when and its not to take away our agency but its to understand that simply saying of black people did these things differently are 13 percent of the population in this country we have more than twice the poverty rate of white americans we are outside of native americans the poorest group in this country so to say that its a matter of if we just did things differently thats not going to make it Better Health care thats not going to make doctors treat us better when we show up thats not going to stop us from having to take Public Transit thats not going to end the black white wealth gap so it has to be that we look at this as a structural issue because when you look at the data it doesnt matter where you are whether youre in the mississippi delta whether youre in new york city whether youre in chicago whether youre in seattle whether your remark where theres hardly any black robe with still suffering from the virus and with a way that speaks to a structural problem and not a cultural problem. It is i want to tell you about the what can she said disability rights activist she told us in the stream that she has healthy shes so as a black woman whos an activist and has healthy shes incredibly nervous right now. As a black disabled person working advocacy i am hyper aware of how much black and brown communities are being disproportionately negatively impact then and it does add anxiety particularly because i have compromised respiratory muscles so i try to do my best and here to c. D. C. Guidelines. For the vast and hang in there. But one of the things that shes doing is she is an activist and she talks about having. Practical and the calming this idea of such racism its so much bigger than sitting down and having a conversation but im sure what are you seeing where you sing oh people are taking this seriously and theyre doing so im saying is it the this is this yes i mean there are theres so many folks who are doing things on multiple levels so for example in a college you know they are showing much a lot of power within in the midst of the pain right and weve done this we find ways you know you know black folks make ways that are no ways we do for our communities when others dont and so its really empowering so for example in north philadelphia where i live im in north philadelphia theres a north philadelphia peace park and theyve set up different mechanisms for mutual aid during this time you know making sure folks have food making sure folks have you know needs to get the things that they need during the pandemic so theyre doing it and its really powerfu