Here on out is the era. When every group. Anik sing occupied palestinian territory israels Prime Minister wants to seize more of the west bank and the Jordan Valley palestinians and their allies denounce yet another land grab will the c. C. S. Spark more middle east turmoil this is inside story. Hello welcome to the program im Adrian Finnegan the west bank and East Jerusalem are at the heart of any future palestinian state but occupied by Israeli Forces since 1967 and now threatened by an accession palestinian dreams of their own homeland look increasingly impossible israels Prime Minister wants to declare sovereignty over illegal settlements in the occupied west bank and the Jordan Valley and even netanyahu wanted to begin an exception now at the beginning of july but his Coalition GovernmentPapa Benny Gantz says combating the coronavirus should come fust the palestinian leadership major e. U. Countries and arab states all object to an exception but the seizure of more Palestinian Land is seem to be in line with Donald Trumps proposals for peace in the region. We book which was with our view berkowitz embassador friedman and members of the delegation i spoke about the question of sovereignty which we are working on now and over the coming days our correspondents in west jerusalem and ramallah following events will start with aljazeera story forces the 1st of july was the 1st date available to Benjamin Netanyahu under the terms of his Coalition Deal with his former rival benny gantz to start making real moves on an accession but he gave a pretty clear indication on the way in that he wasnt yet ready to do so saying that there were days at least of talks still required with the United States and some of his own ministers from his own party have been giving interviews to jesting it could be a matter of weeks not days certainly the blue and white party of benny gantz wants to see any annexation put on hold until coronavirus and the fallout economically of the pandemic are dealt with the blue and white foreign minister Gabi Ashkenazi giving an interview in which he said he wasnt aware of that neos intentions but he wasnt expecting any imminent announcement saying the United States had yet to sign off on any final deal and indeed the u. S. Approval does seem to be the key stumbling block here one israeli t. V. Channel reporting that the United States wants to see concessions made to the palestinians at the same time as any annexation move that could be difficult for netanyahu to sell to his right wing supporters particularly if you also has to endorse the trump plan in its entirety which of course also includes a palestinian state carry force at the inside story westerners lets hear now from our cirrus abraham in ramallah on the palestinian reaction. The next station is still on the table whether its partial or gradual for them its seen as the final blow to the 2 state solution weve spoken to the generals. And this is what you have to tell us if he has any part of the west bank. Or whatever because i believe the person would be destroyed and that anyone would be responsible and sure that his responsibilities in accordance with the 4th geneva conventions and i think for tonight meaning he would look at the garbage and nablus jerusalem. But certainly we will not sit on a table where the american israeli plan is on the table this is not a peace plan. Is not a peace plan its and the next edition apartheid dictation and we will not sit on any table. Also tenet is not only related to the timing or the areas but the future of palestinians in. Israeli Prime MinisterBenjamin Netanyahu said stimulus wont be receiving israeli citizenship and palestinians warn that annexation could make an overread bad situation even worse just to give you an idea of how bad the situation is is ready settlers have erected to illegal. The south and in the north now palestinians are pushing for an diplomats to try and put pressure on israel to stop its annexation and the palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas has announced in may that the p. L. O. Has stopped all and is not bound by any agreements with the u. S. And israel including security coordination with israel. For inside story. For dead. Kates around 250 illegal israeli settlements and outposts have been built over the past 50 years all in violation of International Law a separation wall cutting through palestinian territory in the occupied west bank has been built over the past 18 years the planned addicks ation would include the Jordan Valley a main agricultural and water source for palestinians israels actions were recently boosted by a major shift in u. S. Policy the trumpet ministration announced that the settlements are not illegal and indoor stanek sation the white house also recognize jerusalem as israels capital and move the u. S. Embassy there. Lets bring in our guests then for todays discussion we have with us from ramallah in the occupied west bank dr Mustafa Barghouti pleader of the Palestinian National initiative the member of the Palestinian Legislative Council from washington d. C. Side out a cat adjunct professor at the American University in washington as well as the washington d. C. Bureau chief of the l could staley newspaper published in occupied East Jerusalem and from west jerusalem. Political writer and Diplomatic Correspondent gentleman a warm welcome to you all on a car lets start with you as we record our discussion it is Late Afternoon wednesday july 1st the date set by netanyahu to take the 1st steps towards an exception and yet theres no sign of if how and when he intends to proceed why is that. Hes waiting 1st of all for a green or some kind of green light from washington d. C. We had this week a big group here of the u. S. Special envoy ill be back over each to pressure them both to tell me to eat that has had 3 days of talk to have 4 days of talks over here and hes with ambassador friedman and weve got that the now it cannot be they all talk together and try to get some kind of the siege and now they are back in washington and were waiting to hear what washington what exactly is going to happen until now like you said we are not expecting some kind of an announcement from the Prime Minister today still might be but at this point we do not know yet yesterday he said were going to work on aid in the next few days meaning also he doesnt know exactly what kind of green light will there be an eva will be a green line there is suddenly reported that u. S. Might want and that the now to give dumping to the palestinians if you make decision to annex parts of the west bank so at this moment we really dont know when and if something is going to happen were still like everyone waiting talked about beauty do you feel that its a matter of when the not if israel will proceed with an exception to what extent is the u. S. Administration key to how netanyahu moves forward now unfortunately this American Administration is the slums administration how many south. Who are crying. A workaround that includes an exception of griped it is in violation of a very International Law and a war crime in the sense that israel is practically and strategically by building a league of settlements by any means of the is there killing very much. Statehood and has created or previous as the market by its much worse than more south africa so they show it is not about tactic or that it will happen on the 1st live or dont live. There usually it is about israelis that it has to be stopped and has to be changed a strategy that is in mean that liquidating post that its an act could be a thing since the get of the bumpers which already exist before. Them banned and graham who does the you already mentioned the apartheid wall you mention 250. 00 illegal settlements and the 650. 00 military checkpoints the whole system must be changed and we will never stop struggling for our freedom in this occupations groover and build this system apartheid and the issue of mission is finished side out a cat has International Condemnation of israels stated intentions and talk of us appeals to to slow down with this got anything to do with the fact that netanyahu has moved forward to damage so far the international community. Has huffed and puffed and issue strong words will it do anything like introduce punitive sanctions against israel if it does move forward with with an expansion plans. Well theres been a great deal of condemnation adrian i mean weve heard this over the years israel has practiced the grieving yannick sation for the better part of the last 5 decades so there is nothing new except for one thing that you know our American Administrations that say in particular in the past has kept some sort of daylight between them and the israeli position that the Top Administration has completely and. Gone along and and eliminated whatever daylight there was between them their condition and and their israeli position so they have adapted and then netanyahu has ition it is clearly stated and indeed of the century in the socalled peace plan announced last january doesnt give israel the right to an extent the present of that 5 west bank so there is nothing you know theres been a great deal of pressure from americas ally than region of and that has allies in europe and so on go slow down so. While you know at least for for today there seems to be no major announcement on an annexation i believe that the process is Going Forward and exactly as netanyahu wanted and one other thing. The calendar is very important to the hour because he knows the u. S. Is moving toward the an election where it is quite possible that the terms opponent the former part was President Joe Biden could win this election and he did announce that he was opposed to an exemption so chances are knowing that the neon already done in the past that this process will move forward have a cast iron whats the mood within that now his coalition right now will he be taking into consideration any misgivings by. The also the Prime Minister benny gantz. So if it if it were only dependent analogy i would go to implement a very low on 30 percent of the area but governments started saying this week for example that this is not the main issue of days when a government that you need to talk about covered 19 than i am and it seems that maybe dans understood politically that that to now isnt exactly going to ask him what he greets on at the beginning we know the u. S. Government wanted some kind of a consensus between the 2 parts of the Israeli Government but now it seems also from the statements of and it to me out that hes going ahead weve some kind of an extension even though guns might oppose that. So that that the situation right now we seem to the attempts to formulate some kind of sign of consensus this is. You can throw it away maybe the Americans Still wanted but it seems this is not at least from the outside talk of the 2 this is not a possibility right now and the question is like you said what will happen if. If god doesnt manic station and danielle doesnt want would it cause a rift in the government so. The big question is will it pass in the end because the 2 agreed during the Coalition Agreement that they dont need to agree about an annexation to go through if and this is the only issue they dont need an agreement but the question is what will happen when you. Bring it to the government to a vote and maybe fall because blue and white guns party wanted leader did so so thats the political rift but it seems again do you are you asking if clinton youall is looking what gun to think about an extension at this point it seems we are past the stage that are now we are in talks with them are we can they also im talking to them eric and blue might is not an issue in the Decision Making on the tobacco to have an expression in any form goes ahead what will be the impact on the process that began 27 years ago we heard barack at the beginning of the program saying that the p. A. Will be destroyed what would an expression of the west bank leave the Peace Process dead no hope of revival the Peace Process. And the slow argument because. Randi has been fasting and thats their action since 1900 feet when you hear the debate of days where you probably go again after ive been practically of course as a citizen you should but im in there you experienced to listen to an opinion. And i said you know mrs browns victory here in this book published under the sun which should which you get to the whole. Process and back if you spoke about the whole of the west bank as an israeli that thanks them he systematically destroyed every piece of security every chance to assist solution and in my opinion presented that agreements up dead or slow getting them to the security coordination i was there are you i was there and i saw practically this is all the alcohol to figure out does the next issue that sells mix it impossible for any palestinian state to be made that decision is a cracker means that israel has the. Country or apartheid system or a price in the 21st century im much more surprised back then was the events in africa a system based on Racial Discrimination that is the meaning of an exception and this would mean a lot to practicing 1st of all its the end of course of the person youre perfect and it means that palestinians are house to unify their identities and their forces together and the conduct of the life of the Supreme Court ruling on violent. Repression but also it means that i use a very powerful boycott divestment sanctions against the government and its policies but most of that in course means that you declare a change of the person and go up. Stairs and because the possibility of the solution we have not understood but to demand one democracy the solution was equal national and civil rights and thats one Democratic State would not be doing this or impossible today the number for the Senior Living from the land of the 1st 1st sign is equal if not just a bit more than that is the ease with for. And that means one thing was really does not mean the security after this that is the exact. Change that will stick or it but for the time being the most important thing is for the world to see it as though you perceive that. You will see and hear them side our cap what do you make of what you just heard and i need to give you the reactions that because i want this another question i want to ask you just move it well very quickly you know that to borrow the says it correctly i mean the are the process really cease to exist there when there was supposed to be a palestinian state a state by 999 that never happened and then the our courts were virtually destroyed when. You know Sharon Martin and to ramallah in 2000 and then you know occupied and the ants round in former president Yasser Arafat for for a long long time and so on they overtook many other places sell it all exist really and and then all and sort of rhetoric and and and and and in terms of code nation basically security coordination between the Palestinian Authority and there is really so that you know to really effectuate they are to a process know already outcomes out of process that should have been crowned with their palestinian state had gone on a long long time gone ago as so that is no longer a viable case and i think that also and that buddha said that you know it is really in behooves a palestinian to look at where they have to look and how they can resist and what to fight for to lead to a spouse and then perhaps you know an ocean articulated by the Great American journalist the wire he says you know when injustice is law then resistance is dirty and you have to come up with a creative way to resist this system or about a god that is in a holy supportive of external supported. Lets just suppose for a moment that that israel doesnt go ahead with with an exception for what for whatever reason would the palestinians as the Jerusalem Post suggested today be willing to think then under those circumstances to come back to negotiations. Come back to what i mean look through number 80 and then the last time there were the who she is with in the 24 team and the israelis had agreed you know that that was during the 9 month period and the. Second state john kerry if you recall and they were supposed to release to tell you as president that should have been released way back in 1904 and they didnt because they dont really want to negotiate anything with the palestinian and israel has always used the goshen asian just to you know create facts on the ground to mannix more land. To make it impossible for athan if they had their murder which we are where we are now so i think that when the palestinians say negotiate go back to the negotiating table what are the negotiating i mean you know the parameters