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he's going with the best advice available to him and the cockpit voice recorders are good advice and -- or the black box, i should say, is good advice and that's why he is saying what he is saying. all of using a nitz for those poor people who are the families of those -- >> including six australians on that plane. >> absolutely. and there is all of the concern in the world for them. but it's also important that they get the judgment of the australian government which is responsible for the search, not the overall -- >> so let's say they find one of the boxes, the flight data recorder like this one. >> yeah. >> who gets custody of it? who opens it up? who goes through the data? >> well, in the first instance, the people who take custody of it would be people who picked it up. >> let's say it's the australians. what do they do with it in. >> the investigators, the people