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>> yes. >> and they will find out that fraud was committed? >> correct. >> are you pretty confident that people are going to be charged with crimes here in phoenix? >> i would be surprised if they were not. >> i mean, it's just extraordinary. she says this was going on recently. >> she says it was happening up until just a few weeks ago. it's her belief somebody is trying to throw investors off the trail of several veterans who died waiting for care by hiding the fact, anderson, they died. she thinks it's a crime. we know the fbi is involved but beyond saying they are aware of the allegations, the ig isn't saying much, the fib isn't saying anything. >> and pauline still works for the va. last night she said she was scared about coming forward on the program. has she got reaction today? >> she was emotional talking to us today. she said very supportive.